Thread 717212065

I wanna get into linux, what distro do i pick?
I can play wuthering waves on my steam deck with proton can i do the same on regular linux or does the anticheat prevent it from doing so?

>>717212065 (OP)
Ubuntu. Just use Ubuntu. It makes trannies seethe for a reason

>>717212065 (OP)
Steam Deck is just Arch
So yes
Linux sucks

maybe you should tr

>>717212065 (OP)
Debian 13 (Codename Trixie)

https://www.debian.org/

>>717212602
Nah, just use Ubuntu instead of this stuff since Ubuntu is built on Debian but is more friendly and has a huge corporation backing it. Also, Steam Deck is just Linux, any game that runs on Steam Deck will also run on Linux. If you have any problems with games because of just go on protondb and look at what people have done

>>717212065 (OP)
Oh no. Distrowars post.

>>717212065 (OP)
Fedora Atomic (Aurora)

>>717212704
Why did SteamOS go with Debian at first?

>>717212704
KEK

>>717213224
Why did they switch to Arch? Your post doesn't make any sense. You don't even know if OP has Nvidia GPU or not and then you recommend a distro that doesn't give easy access to drivers or multimedia codecs for that matter

>>717212065 (OP)
>I wanna get into linux, what distro do i pick?
The one you like the most and works best for you. Some people like minimalism like arch and other people like never having to use the terminal and use mint. That's what's good about linux. You have the choice to have your OS be however you want
>I can play wuthering waves on my steam deck with proton can i do the same on regular linux or does the anticheat prevent it from doing so?
Probably. Steam OS is just a fork of arch
https://www.protondb.com/app/3513350?device=any

Bazzite comes with steam and every single thing you will need for gaming preinstalled.

>>717213318
Because when they had the choice of Ubuntu and Debian they opted for Debian instead. The reason they switched to Arch is completely seperate matter because the difference between Arch and Debian more than Debian and Ubuntu. Installing NVIDIA drivers is as easy as sudo apt install nvidia-driver or just downloading the .deb from the NVIDIA drivers website and installing them the same as you would with the .exe on Windows. Besides you don't even know what you're talking about because they made a change that they include those proprietary drivers by default now.

>>717213542
Yeah, you're retarded. Installing drivers or multimedia codecs is never easy for a beginner. Will probably even have a problem with a .deb file somehow, tons of people do. You have used Linux a long time and have forgotten what it's like for beginners.

OP, use Ubuntu and save yourself the hassle.

>>717212065 (OP)
Linux From Scratch has the most detailed installation guide out of any other distro. It's also the easiest to learn because it's the simplest, all the other distros needlessly complicate things.

>>717212704
>Also, Steam Deck is just Linux, any game that runs on Steam Deck will also run on Linux.
A few shitty anticheat games have actually specifically whitelisted the Deck hardware while still blocking Linux in general.

>>717213636
>beginner
Yet you and the troglodyte >>717213361 here recommend Arch because SteamOS is a fork of it. That's the same as recommending eating raw wheat because bread happens to be made from it.

>>717213813
Nah I recommended Ubuntu because everything else is a meme for a beginner, and then you have some Linux nerd with a superiority complex forgetting that people aren't on his level >>717213542

>>717213756
Noticed Mecha Break did this
At least now we know what games are ignoring the linux market out of laziness and which are ignoring the linux market because their game has spyware

>>717213906
Yet the OOB experience for Ubuntu is the worst for a beginner, not accounting for the spin-offs. Besides there's plenty of GUI functionality for Debian, it's just as easy as Ubuntu.

>>717212065 (OP)
Endeavor is arch for noobs, do that
My buddies on PopOS and he gets nasty screentearing because if you don't use PoopOS with GNOME you're stuck with a now years out of date KDE with X11
>what's that mean
Dont worry about it, use endeavor

>>717213813
Arch being difficult to use is a meme.
It has so much documentation that it's arguably easier than using windows

>>717213224
Because they were naive and thought stability would be a good thing. Having years old packages is really not a good thing for gaming.

>>717213906
Gnome suck though

who cares, it doesn't fucking matter

>>717213906
>I recommended Ubuntu because everything else is a meme for a beginner
Did you just woke up from a 12 years coma?
Mint and bazzite are the modern retard-proof distros, ubongo proved to be garbage several times over the years, including but not limited to the switch to Gnome3, the amazon spyware and fucking snap

>>717212065 (OP)

i play old online video games that cant be emulatored :3
steamdeck windows: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6121-ECCD-D643-BAA8

i like the idea of steamos but windows is just better :3

>>717214829
Snap still isn't dead yet?

>>717214829
>i play old online video games that cant be emulatored :3
what game?

>>717212065 (OP)
You'll distro hop a bunch but eventually you'll end up on arch or debian long term
Anyone who tells you otherwise is also in the process of distro hopping

>>717212065 (OP)
I would have gone with Arch if I knew what the fuck I was doing, but I don't, so I went with Cachy instead.

>>717212065 (OP)
Arch is steamOS but to install it on PC takes work
Mint is user friendly and good for games, based on ubuntu
The other big ones are debian, and fedora. Then there's many "spin offs".

Vulkan 1.4.324 is out today as the first Vulkan API specification update in two weeks with a variety of clarifications/corrections plus a new extension from AMD.

VK_AMDX_dense_geometry_format is the new experimental AMD vendor extension in Vulkan 1.4.324. VK_AMDX_dense_geometry_format is for providing the ability to build ray-tracing acceleration structures from pre-compressed Dense Geometry Format geometry data.

Dense Geometry Format "DGF" was developed by AMD as a means of compressing triangle meshes for more efficient hardware ray-tracing. Those curious about the Dense Geometry Format can read the DGF whitepaper from last year. AMD also maintains the DGF SDK as part of GPUOpen and is fully open-source software. There is also this blog post from earlier in the year covering more about Dense Geometry Format for helping the AMD ray-tracing efforts.

>>717215123
Arch isn't any different to CachyOS really, it's just more optimized for performance and of course gaming. One notable thing is that in Arch you have to manually install an AUR helper but recently CachyOS added paru and now it's usable out of the box. Pretty cool.

>>717215243
>Arch is steamOS but to install it on PC takes work
You just type archinstall and pick your desktop environment and audio software

>>717215459
>usable out of the box
Yeah I wanted something easier to try out linux and I half expected to end up crawling back to windows but it's honestly been pretty painless.

>>717215510
You realize you already added more steps than a beginner will be okay with.

>>717212297
second this
ubuntu is nice and boring and reliable
has been for 20+ years

>>717215873
Yeah when I said CachyOS isnt any different what I mean to say was that it isnt that much more different.

>>717212065 (OP)
I'm considering endeavor for my secondary gaming pc to test things out before I consider migrating on my main that's running w10 and libreelec for my media/file server instead of running my ancient w7 install

>>717216072
>ubuntu
>reliable

>>717212065 (OP)
What does an operating system intended for servers have to do with video games? It's cool if you want to learn web development, you could try going to /g/ to discuss that.

>>717216290
Valve and Proton. Also DXVK runs old games better than Winblows. SEETHE

>>717216267
i repeat, it's reliable. that's the entire fucking point if the distro.
it's not cutting edge, but you never need cutting edge.

>>717216290
as a True and Epic Gamer, I'm concerned that my primary corporate slave OS is going to lose support and stop getting security updates (unless I pay and even then for only another year) and I don't want to migrate to micro$uck winblows 11

a ton of people are in the same boat right now and considering jumping ship to some kind of *nix

>>717216414
For gaming you need bleeding edge. Ubuntu fails at what it aims to be. Too old to be bleeding edge and too new to be server grade stable. Cant be both, decide for one.

>>717216290
>Thread is discussing desktop linux
>linux is a CLI operating system just for servers
gif related >>717216267

>>717216401
You can use DXVK on windows as simple as drag n' dropping files on the game.exe folder. No wineprefix bullshitery, no need to enter command generated by JeetPT

>>717216886
You have to jump through a million hoops to install DXVK on Winblows. Not a problem for Linux.

>>717216870
it runs every single game i throw at it

>>717212065 (OP)
You can't go wrong with Ubuntu, Pop OS, or Mint. They're all user friendly and easy to install and manage. I will say that from personal experience Pop was better for gaming out of the box with little to no tweaking.
I use Fedora now, but I really like Pop when I had it installed.

sudo apt-get install yuzu
https://packages.debian.org/trixie/yuzu
it's actually a better experience than winblows in 2k+25

>>717217245
dogshit is better than windows in 2025 in the year of our metroid

>>717217062
>You have to jump through a-ACK

>>717217071
Are you really going to argue older kernels and older drivers have better compatibility with newer hardware?

>>717216873
Linux literally IS a CLI operating system for servers doe?
Linux desktop is a meme tacked onto it by freetards. It's like trying to use a fork to eat soup.

Fuckin FINALLY my games work on steam (with vulkan). All I had to do was to update mesa drivers.
>mint 22.1
>radeon RX 9060

>>717217459
hardware plateaued 10 years ago

>>717217471
Windows literally IS a CLI operating system for Windows Server™ doe?
Windows desktop is a meme tacked onto it by corpo to sell ads.

>>717217314
This are the people that say Linux is too complicated and technical and normies cant into it.

>>717217552
Lol troonix users are pathetic. Meanwhile windows updates its slop for me when I'm sleeping.

>>717217663
Windows NT doesn't have text mode like troonix. It's literally built for desktop computing for 21th cent and beyond.

>>717217618
>your hardware plateaued 10 years ago
fix'd

>>717217726
Except you're legit too stupid to own and use a computer. So why do you come to the Internet and lie?

>>717217721
>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST STEAL OUR WINDOWS EMULATOR DLL AND USE IT ON CORPO OS.

>>717212065 (OP)
Dont listen to anyone who told you a distro without knowing your GPU.
I have an AMD card (9070XT) and I use Manjaro.

>>717217886
I treat PC like cuntsole, because nucuntsoles are crap. Problem?

linux isn't free, you're the product shilling them and trying to configure by yourself shit that should already be implemented in the OS

>>717218032
>falls into my trap card
>cries about it
feelsgoodman.jpeg

>>717217830
works on my machine, and have yet to find a game that doesn't run that's worth playing

>>717212065 (OP)
>Debian
Outdated packages that can make it super annoying to run new shit sometimes (I say this as a Debian user)
>Arch and derivatives
Not user friendly and too unstable. Special mention to Manjaro for being run by retards who break shit even more frequently than others.
>Fedora
Beta testing ground for Red Hat (very evil company)
>openSUSE
Fedora but European. It's neat that it automatically sets up backups for when shit inevitably breaks though.
>Ubuntu
Debian but prettied up and jeeted with corporate shit. Used to install Amazon spyware until enough people complained, now they just default to snap packages which are slow and awful
>Mint
Derivative of Ubuntu that tries its best to be less shit but lacks the resources. Ubuntu got so bad Mint in considering dropping them and going full Debian derivative only.
>Gentoo
Haven't tried this one but it's definitely not for noobs
>Slackware
Idk lol haven't used it does it still get updates?
LITERALLY every other distro is a meme maintained by 2 or 3 jeets or trannies just trying to pad their portfolio with some distro that promises fix the issues all the others have but lacks any expertise or manpower to do so.

>>717218231
>I'm a little kid in this scenario
kek

>>717218336
>I'm le 300 IQ genius
But your a midwit trans, though.

This is the Dark Souls of linux distros

>>717212065 (OP)
The first thing you need to learn is that they are all fucked in some unique way.

>>717216759
>concerned that my primary corporate slave OS is going to lose support and stop getting security updates
There are literally 7 years left until 2k32.
The concern itself is valid. I definitely wouldn't want to user Windows 11 on my personal PC. However, at the end of the day, I don't it can be helped. I wish there was an alternative, but there is nothing that offers the same compatibility as Windows.
I guess Windows 11 is probably still more stable than Linux desktop, with the interface feeling just as sturdy (i.e. as sturdy as fresh cow dong). I really fucking hate it.
>a ton of people are in the same boat right now and considering jumping ship to some kind of *nix
And all of those will soon be proud owners of either of the 2 below:
>a brand new, revolutionary Apple M4 or M5 laptop with Apple Intelligence and Mac OS Boomshakalaka Pro Plus Ultra (*it can't run any program made before 2022)
>Microsoft Pluton TPM Secure Boost-certified Windows 11 (with integrated Digital ID management for EU citizens) laptop

>>717218521
That.
Is.
RIGHT.

>>717212065 (OP)
Mint for "just werks", Arch for ricing and if you want the latest everything including all the bugs, or Debian for if you have an old toaster or you want things rock solid but old.

>>717212297
>It makes trannies seethe for a reason
But Ubuntu is THE tranny distro for the tranny who wants to have a mac but their single mom won't let them.

>>717215104
Insane how true this is.

>>717218594
>wants to have a mac
that's what all the flavors of ubuntu for. pick your desktop environment instead of using whatever is bundled with the stock image
of course, you can also install DEs that aren't prepackaged, too
the UI != OS

>>717212297
yeah, Ubuntu is nice
If you replace snaps with flatpaks that is

Protip for debian
>don't mix stable and testing or unstable branches. Just don't.
>the testing branch is fine 99% of the time if you need more up to date packages BUT be prepared for a headache that 1% of the time
>if you use stable, enable stable-backports and pick some updated packages you want. Very useful for getting a version of mesa that's not ancient.
>compiling newer stuff becomes more of a hassle on stable as time goes on due to your libraries becoming more outdated

>>717219026
i just use apt and .deb packages
nothing forces one to use snap

>>717212065 (OP)
Are you a normal functioning person?
>Fedora KDE Edition
Are you retarded and break computers?
>Bazzite
Do you have a superiority complex?
>Arch
Do you have a superiority complex but are also too stupid to install Arch?
>CachyOS

>>717212065 (OP)
>what distro do i pick
CachyOS. Best performing Linux Distro for gaming and it is so good that SteamOS and Bazzite are taking its optimizations for their distros. Ready to go out of the box for Intel, AMD & Nvidia. Even DLSS works. Nothing else is an option anymore IMO.

>>717212065 (OP)
Stick to major distros. Avoid one man distro derivatives, especially those aimed at gamers.

>>717219659
DLSS works on any Linux distro, even my Debian install. The question is whether MFG works.

>>717215104
I haven't used anything since Gentoo in the past 12 years.

>>717212065 (OP)
Ubuntu if you're a tranny.

Arch if you like being fat and obsessed with packages.

Debian if you like rock solid stabillity that you can also use for servers.

The rest are legit memes that have no reason to exist besides gentoo if you want to minmax computer autism so you can literally build every single program from scratch.

>>717219769
It pains me whenever I see someone using Garuda linux when it's run by an Indian.

>>717219951
Linux is pajeet kernel >>717212359

>>717219141
I switched to flatpaks once I tried to install mpv from deb and it was missing some ui elements and barely worked
Flatpak version worked out of the box
Additional level of protection (sandbox) is nice as well

just go with arch/debian/mint

>>717212065 (OP)
>what distro do i pick?
If you have a two year old computer, linux mint would be the best, with cinnamon for the most modern experience.
If you have a brand new computer or have all amd parts, then I would go for something more up to date, since amd drivers need the latest version since they're really bugged right now, so you'd need something the likes of fedora or opensuse tumbleweed, to note that you'd need to install the drivers for hardware acceleration from rpmfusion and packman respectively.
Just for the love of the fucking, forsaken God, don't install Arch with some tiling window manager, stick to gnome, plasma or cinnamon.

Do NOT use mint. I am speaking from experience. Do NOT use it.

>>717220815
Can't you just install a newer kernel on the current version of mint to get those new AMD drivers?

>>717220815
>tiling window manager
best computer interface paradigm i've ever used. started using one about 13 years ago and never looked back. takes some getting used to, but it's great once you memorize the shortcuts

>>717220815
Realistically Plasma is the only option for someone coming from Windows. I'd only recommend Gnome if you're coming from an iPad. Cinnamon is okay but just feels like a worse version of Plasma.

>>717219089
is running unstable a bad idea?

>>717216290
>servers-schizo is back at it again
Your narrative control didn't work the first time, what makes you think it will work this time.

>>717221172
use trixie/debian 13 and see if you need something newer then switch to sid/unstable if really needed

>>717220034
No, it’s peak Finnish autism

>>717212065 (OP)
Start with Mint.
If you start feeling the limitations, then install Arch. Actual upstream arch, not EndavourOS or Manjaro.
If you start feeling the limitations of Arch, then install Gentoo.

>>717220967
Technically you could install a new mesa version which is quite more important, but it's a bit of fuckery that will lead to instability since it's not properly tested like it would on a more up to date distro.

>>717221172
It's not a good idea nor is it a horrible idea in general. For a new user it might be more painful than it's worth. The thing with debian's unstable and testing branches is that they usually work fine but the devs don't intend for them to be used as a daily driver so they don't give a fuck if it gets janky until they can patch it. Also nobody will give you any technical support on any forum or IRC channel because they only give support for stable.

>>717213689
Linux from scratch's complexity is hidden from view; it's updates. Updating things on LFS is like pulling fingernails.
Gentoo is basically just ALFS but it doesn't make you want to kill yourself when an ABI break happens.

>>717218365
>Debian
>Outdated packages that can make it super annoying to run new shit sometimes (I say this as a Debian user)
Yes but you can always install sid through netbootiso but at that point why not just install Arch?
>Arch and derivatives
>Not user friendly and too unstable. Special mention to Manjaro for being run by retards who break shit even more frequently than others.
This is just bullshit but yeah fuck Manjaro
>Fedora
>Beta testing ground for Red Hat (very evil company)
Fuck Fedora, fuck Red Hat and fuck Canonical too
>openSUSE
>Fedora but European. It's neat that it automatically sets up backups for when shit inevitably breaks though.
openSUSE is alright
>Ubuntu
>Debian but prettied up and jeeted with corporate shit. Used to install Amazon spyware until enough people complained, now they just default to snap packages which are slow and awful
See Fedora
>Mint
>Derivative of Ubuntu that tries its best to be less shit but lacks the resources. Ubuntu got so bad Mint in considering dropping them and going full Debian derivative only.
Mint is ok for starting out and even if now they have more newer kernels I doubt it's bleeding edge also the kernel is not the only thing. What about drivers? What about Steam? What about Vulkan, DXVK, etc?
>Gentoo
>Haven't tried this one but it's definitely not for noobs
Only the Chadest of Chads can install and better yet daily driver this one. Only hardcore people.
>Slackware
>Idk lol haven't used it does it still get updates?
I installed it years ago but it gave me Wifi problems. My router didnt like it.

>>717220815
Nothing wrong with Arch and KDE, retard.

Does debian really get annoying with old packages? I guess with the new one coming up it's going to be perfectly fine for gaming but by the end of the cycle it might get old literally
I'm an arch user, I like it but I'm feeling like losing weight and being more stable

>>717222863
It does.
Debian is something you want to use on servers that need to be stable; it's a terrible desktop OS.
And no, using sid/unstable doesn't help.

>>717212065 (OP)
Get Pop OS, Linux Mint or Zorin OS.

>>717212297
Does it really tho? Ubuntu's maintainer community is filled with alphabet soup folk.

>>717222863
I just use whatever is stable at the moment and if I really need something newer I try other options and as last resort I just switch to sid/unstable and stay on that until the next Debian version.

>>717222863
Debian user here. Currently annoyed because the version of networkmanager in stable has a bug preventing me from turning my laptop into a wifi hotspot. Aside from that I can't get a certain python app to work because debian stable's python version is too old and I don't feel like setting up docker or whatever bullshit you have to do to run newer shit. Also still stuck on Plansa 5.x until Trixie comes out next week. Haven't had any problems gaming thanks to backported mesa versions. Testing might be fine for people who want more recent packages but Debian's developers don't give a shit if Testing breaks and they won't bother releasing updates in a timely manner there either.

>>717222863
Don't use Debian for gaming. Just don't. It's like using an ultra-safe version of Windows XP SP3 and then complaining that you can't play any modern games on it.

I made the switch from win10 to mint recently. Its great, few games needed tinkering but nothing a google search couldnt fix. Only thing im mad about is that I didnt stop sucking microsofts cock sooner.

>>717223503
Which games don't work or are you just making shit up? Every game I threw at it just works.

>>717223706
It's a distro with severely outdated packages due to FOSS autismo and obsession with stability. Why don't you take a fucking wild guess?

>>717223876
So you don't even have anecdotal experience and you're just making shit up. Yikes.

>>717223706
NTA but on the version of mesa shipped with debian stable I got some bad lighting and framerate issues in resident evil 6 until I installed the backported mesa.

>>717223315
>Also still stuck on Plansa 5.x until Trixie comes out next week.
you can literally upgrade to trixie right now. also as a debian system gets older you can get backports and install newer versions of software if it gets backported. most commonly newer kernels get backported, but other software like network manager or languages should get backported as well

>>717222863
It used to at least. Now it's probably better as you can just use flatpaks

>>717223024
>using sid doesnt work
yes it does but installing it through stable is too cumbersome and installing it through netbootiso is just for seasoned Linux users or people that for some reason want to really learned Linux and desu it isnt that good at that either. I installed it over a decade ago when I started my Linux journey and I am still a Linux noob to this day. I can install sid through netbootiso tho. Can you?

>>717226424
Nigger, I run Gentoo as my daily driver. Debian sid is shit for anything that isn't a purpose-specific appliance.

>>717226636
I will call bullshit on all three of those. Nigger.

>>717226836
You're a frogposter, so your opinion is automatically worthless by default anyways.
I bet you don't even know how to manually install debian using debootstrap. Faggot.

>>717226926
Only VM niggers care about debootstrap. I have no such problem. Nobody runs Gentoo as a daily driver. Post uptime nigger.

>>717226424
isn't netbootiso the one that you download by default?

vi /etc/apt/sources.list
s/bookworm/sid/g
apt update
apt dist-upgrade

>>717227204
70 days, 9 hours, 1 min

i been using endeavour os or just archinstall and its not too bad, i grew up a console gamer and did some windows gaming for a few years, its not ba. everything i play works now, and with the way thigns are goign ill just end up working on my backlog and emulating shit too

>>717212065 (OP)
You should probably use Linux Mint or something similar

Mint simply just werks

>>717227236
Default Debian iso is gigabytes in size. netbootiso is like 300mb. It is not the same thing. Are you asking to upgrade to sid/unstable from stable? Don't it if you are not going to do a clean install. You also have to upgrade to testing first and drop the toy story naming too iirc. Don't do it, just install CachyOS and save yourself time and sanity.

>>717227596
Bullshit but I'd believe it. You were right. I have no idea how to use debootstrap.

>>717227867
Whenever I do a clean install of Debian I always just get this one https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-12.11.0-amd64-netinst.iso

Then if I want to use sid I change bookworm to sid and do update and upgrade and after that I install all my packages like firefox-esr thunar urxvt

>>717212065 (OP)
>can i do the same on """""regular linux"""""
just stick to windows if you're going to continue to ask dumb questions like this

>>717227935
To be honest I really ought to update my kernel, thanks for reminding me.

>>717227596
I see you >>717122373

>>717228805
Oh no I've been spotted
Good thing it doesn't really matter

>>717214649
I'm not a g-nelf. I'm not a g-noblin. I'm a G-NOME. And you've ben gnooooomed!

>>717228328
It’s been 15 years. Memory is foggy. The past haunts in whispers. The end breathes down my neck. If you didn't installed x and everything else but the core by hand your have not installed Linux buddy.

>>717212065 (OP)
If you want a plug and play experience, I suggest Linux Mint.

And I'm not saying it is hard or anything to set up Arch, Debian, or Fedora ( The Upstreams ).

If you want to try and upstream, I recommend Fedora. It is the sweetspot between Debian and Arch.

>>717230368
P.S
here is my path through Linux. I am giving you this information so you don't have to suffer like I did.

From start to current Distro;

-Manjaro ( Do not do this. )

-Linux Mint ( A very long time I was with this. It is comfy and it just works out of the box. )

-Debian

-Fedora

>>717230368
What's the difference between Mint and Arch Linux?

>>717217314
>the lag when drag selecting
holy shit, are wintards really ok with this?

>>717212065 (OP)
Just go to the steam hardware survey and see which one is the most used.

I hope Cosmic OS comes out soon, the last alpha update was 3 months ago and the Beta should be dropping after that.

>>717212065 (OP)
use linux mint
some transhumanist asian bimbo told me it was the best

>>717217245
How does Debian have so many packages that Arch only has as untrustworthy AUR bullshit?

>>717234406
arch is for trannies

>>717234371
>bitch got vanished by the commies
Shame.

>>717234371
Nice lockpicking tools, lady

>>717234406
debian has less tested packages. thats a chance you take if you install random PPAs
the arch USER repository anyone can upload to. its also recommended by the archwiki itself you read the package builds, and if you want to be more secure, dont download the bin. you can see what repos the source code builds from and you can build from source if you dont select the "-bin"

>>717234507
You'd think trannies would have figured out automated build infrastructure by now

>>717234650
she was deplatformed by jewtube

>>717234017
Fedora niggers at the bottom where they belong

>>717212065 (OP)
Try mint, it boots off a thumb drive to test drive without touching an OS installer
If you like it it can install from there

>>717234879
>she was deplatformed by jewtube
Her channel is still up, and according to a handful of articles, no one has been able to get in contact with her for more than a year.

>>717234017
How the fuck is steam installed on more Linux devices then Mac? I thought Mac could play video games these days.

>>717212065 (OP)
The Windows 7 distro.
It works properly. Windows games work and it blocks woke "games" on top of that.

>>717235721
Genuine question. Why do you still stick with windows 7, does it still function as intended or have you been running into compatibility problems in the recent years?

>>717236035
it works
no tranny shit
>compatibility problems
yes, one of the other reasons why anyone that isn't retarded uses Windows 7

>>717233482
Linux Mint is a Debian based Distro which comes out of the box with many things which make the experience plug and play.

Arch Linux is you have to read a bit of an instruction manual on Arch wiki to set it up and you also have bleeding edge packages. The latest stuff. And also the AUR. But you have to be cautious with the AUR, don't just blindly download from it.

>>717236035
VxKex, vkd3d and copying the xinput DLLs solve most issues

>>717228505
Either help or fuck off faggot, spare us pointless replies like these please.

>>717236580
Loonix is shit
use Windows, because that works

it's like looking for a woman with a penis, when you can just get an actual woman with a womb .

>>717235721
ok granpa, now take your pills and go to sleep

>>717236758
you are the one on hormones.

What does Linux "do" that Windows and Mac doesn't? From the perspective of the average computer user.

>>717236823
granpa stop screaming and waving your stick at the TV, you'll break it

>>717236949
it has a meta game built in, where all sorts of stuff doesn't work and you can waste your time trying to fix it, but you never really fix it.

>>717236035
nta but i'm not switching to any windows after 7. when i do feel it's necessary to upgrade i'm going to linux. the latter might actually have better new game compatibility.

win7 won't play most new games, which depends on how much you actually care about newslop. it otherwise works with everything that was released up till EOL, it's not like the software just terminates itself. most non-game software that didn't drop support early on for some dumb win10 feature still work fine on win7 and will continue to do so (minus QA) as long as the author doesn't give a shit about some win10-exclusive bullshit. firefox has guaranteed support for the ESR version until i think sep or oct, but there are already forks that backport new firefox versions to win7. there are some issues with newer things like codec support, like you can't view some of the mp4s that are posted on here with ESR. the forks also won't work with DRM (anti spoofing) plugins if the site simply hates you for using win7 and blocks it, e.g. netflix.

>>717236949
It doesn't bother you with telemetry, ads, and other shit that has made windows awful. It feels like going back to windows 7. I use linux mint and amd parts and I have yet to run into any issues playing games. The games you can't play are due to the devs trying to install kernel level anticheat which is cancer for your pc anyway.

Give me a QRD on Fedora

>>717237484
m'lady

>>717234017
>Fedora Linux workstation edition
>Fedora Linux KDE
What is the difference?

>>717238645
Fedora Linux workstation edition probably uses gnome.

what's snaps
what's flatpak
what's systemd
what's any of this shit I just want to play video games tell me how to play video games on loonix

>>717236949
For starters? Linux users are expecting the next kernel and driver updates unlike on Windows where everyone hates Windows updates because Windows is a pile of dogshit that breaks after a reboot.

>>717212297
I downloaded 24.04 because I prefer LTS releases but the file picker and the thumbnails didn't work properly, which is kind of a big deal for someone like me who wastes hours on this shithole every day.
I am now on 25.04 and thumbnails are fixed but now I can't change my User picture, which bothers my autism but is much less of a problem I guess.
Steam and games work fine on both versions though, pretty pleased with Ubuntu overall.

>>717239128
Just install steam

>>717239128
>snaps
Some semi proprietary shit ubuntu uses to install programs. It's slow and sucks.
>flatpak
Packs all the files you need to run a program into one thing. And by all the files I mean *all* the files including libraries and shit so you end up with basic_calculator.sh taking 4GB of space.
>systemd
Imagine a white man purposely trying to create the most jeeted program possible by design and you get systemd. It's supposed to replace old init systems that just ran and managed processes on your machine but it's turned into some unholy abomination of overengineered complexity that got so bad it almost caused kernel developers to get backdoored by a random chink.
>how to play video games on loonix
Find whatever distro you can tolerate and install steam. Right click your game and go to compatibility and select proton experimental. If you wanna install a non-steam game, install lutris and it'll take care of things and just werk.

>>717239128
>snaps/flatpak
Software is dependent on other software to run. Managing these dependencies is a pain in the ass. Snaps and flatpak are solutions to this problem by putting programs in a box with all of it's dependencies so you can just click on it and it will run and not alter your system by installing other shit. People dislike snaps because they're typically slower and rely on a centralized store run by Canonical.
>systemd
If your operating system is an orchestra and all the pieces of it are the musicians, systemd is the conductor cuing them to play or stop.

>>717238645
fedora ships GNOME by default, which is a different take on modern UI, more similar to android.
>>717239346
generally avoid LTS' as a consumer, you want the latest stable version of every package. LTS are for servers and enterprise.

>>717239517
>it almost caused kernel developers to get backdoored by a random chink.
That was xz

>>717240216
The xz bug took advantage of some spaghetti systemd code to hook into ssh.

>>717239128
what's registry
what's partition
what's defender
what's installer
what's any of this shit I just want to play video games tell me how to play video games on troondows

>>717240815
goes to show how important familiarity is, and why we have distros whose entire purpose is mimicking windows.

Mint is the retardproof windows clone
Arch is what Valve tests on but has a higher learning curve
Any other option is a meme

>>717239517
appimages are the superior choice

>>717234371
Her boobs open more doors than those lockpicks ever could.

>>717212065 (OP)
Arch +KDE, it's the easiest shit to install

>>717242072
It's a shame that there are no modern Windows releases mimicking familiar and reliable Windows releases.

>>717244420
>easy to update
>sandboxed by default
>works every time
flatpaks already won a while ago, applications either offer both or only flatpaks these days.

>>717245494
appimages have the best performance

>>717244420
both are for different purposes
flatpaks for sandboxing and for installing / updating apps from the central repo
appimages for portability, you can just run programs from usb drive and they would work

>>717239373
that just broke my computer, you fucking piece of shit

>>717239128
it's garbage, so that software isn't immediately broken all the time under Shitix

but it's also a waste of disc space + RAM.

>>717237484
Has a targeted SELinux implementation by default and a fairly fast updates.
Honestly the biggest downsides are the name and ties to Red Hat/IBM.

>>717247785
Linux itself is tied to IBM (and Microsoft and Google etc.)
They are literally funding the Linux foundation.
Cope

>>717247785
>ties to Red Hat/IBM.
>ubuntu -> canonica
>popos -> system76
>arch -> valve
>linux -> google, microsoft, all the above and thousands more
if you thought you were safe from corporations on linux, you thought wrong.

Just installed Fedora KDE. Japanese typing is total shit. How do I make it not shit before I uninstall? fcitx5+mozc works well only if you use Japanese + English. I need 4 languages.

>>717212065 (OP)
Manjaro. The white mans distro.

>>717247895
Correct to an extent.
Linux Foundation doesn't really support the development of the kernel. I think like 2% of their funding goes to kernel related activities.

>>717248068
like 90% of linux users use english, you're not going to find much help here.
i suggest trying GNOME, it's the default for a reason.

>>717248093
Manjarobros… we are not making it. It's literally Arch with training wheels duct taped on by a dev team that ghosted their own forum during package breakage season. Either go full Arch and learn to fix your own garbage, or just use Mint and embrace the comfy.

>>717248259
Yeah, Gnome handles multiple input languages much better. But I chose Plasma because Gnome misses many features that I need.

>>717248410
>add features
>have poor support for existing features
that's the problem about having a plethora of options, the more you have, the harder it is to maintain.

>>717212065 (OP)
Gentoo

>>717248502
adding new stuff is fun, solving decade old bugs is a thankless job.

>>717248502
Some of the features that I need (tray icons, global hotkeys), were in Gnome, but dropped not due to maintenance burden, but their design guide lines, and insistence on ZERO stop gap solutions.

>>717244420
The superior choice is not using that garbage period. All of those things are a problem in search of a solution created by ex-windowshitters.
If anything, the only acceptable option is statically linking with a musl-based stack.

>>717248691
>solving decade old bugs is a thankless job
Most Gnome engineers get a paycheck instead. From RedHat, Canonical, Collabora, and others.

>>717248093
Manjaro is a pajeet distro, you retard.

>>717212297
>>717212704
>Windowjeets finally jumping ship to Linux
>First thing they do is start furiously sucking off major corporation-backed distros
Grim

>>717248719
>global hotkeys
that's a wayland problem, not a gnome problem, and btw the portal has been implemented in february and it's up to applications to connect to it.
>tray icons
good riddance, there's extensions maintained by canonical if you want that shit.

>>717212065 (OP)
a quick google suggests that the wuthering waves can't be played on linux due to anti-cheat, so I'd say no

>>717248849
https://www.protondb.com/app/3513350

>>717237350
Neither does LTSC.

>>717248849
SteamDeck=1 %command%

>>717248719
Global hotkeys (as in, allowing applications to trap input globally and handle it locally) was always a terrible idea, this shit should be handled by the compositor.

>>717248840
Now that's the shitty Gnome mindset. Just ignore the hundreds of apps of with user bases orders of magnitudes larger than them. Push comes to shove, I'm dropping Gnome in a heartbeat.

>that's a wayland problem, not a gnome problem, and btw the portal has been implemented in february and it's up to applications to connect to it.
Works on Plasma. Don't care whose fault it is.
>good riddance, there's extensions maintained by canonical if you want that shit.
I don't, but many applications build functionality around it. There isn't even any substitute protocol for tray icons. According to Gnome, backgrounding apps shouldn't happen.

>>717237484
corporate linux, I love it

>>717247921
>gentoo -> google
Can't forget that ChromeOS is literally Gentoo

>>717237484
Red Hat is bigger niggers than Microsoft

>>717248832
Yeah it blows my mind
>"Corporations ruined this product that I used, I need to look for an alternative"
>"There are a lot of open-source choices, but I'm going to go for the one owned and run by a corporations"
>"There is no way they would just repeat the same mistakes of the other corporation!"

Is this an American thing? Where they think that corpos are their friends, and there are a few "bad apples" making the rest look bad? I've not seen any other country suck off rich people like this

>>717249034
That should be the goal. But not having an interim solution, like Plasma has, is retarded. Especially when global hotkeys were dropped BEFORE the hotkey portal was implemented or even standardized.

>>717249060
>According to Gnome, backgrounding apps shouldn't happen.
gnome 44.
>There isn't even any substitute protocol for tray icons.
correct. tray icons are absolutely terrible for design, for accessibility and are generally useless. if you want an application you alt tab to it, if the application has something to communicate, it sends a notification.

>>717249334
GNOME is terminally retarded and anyone using it deserves their fate.
t. swaychad

>>717249346
You're right, forcing a DE specific API is so much better, and will encourage quick adoption.

>>717237350
The average 'puter user doesn't care about telemetry and happily spread their ass for anticheats. If anything they probably think you're a cheating pedophile just for mentioning it.

>>717249334
>new Wayland protocol
>time to break every workflow on earth
I hate RedHat so much it's unreal.

>>717249705
>update to new stuff
>why doesn't it work the same

>>717249317
>Is this an American thing?
Absolutely, americans created technofeudalism. These people are brainwashed into brand serfdom. They don't change the OS, they change the capitalistic lord of the domain.

>>717213813
Not him, actual Linux beginner here - Arch has been by far the easiest experience when it comes to getting hardware to work. BY FAR. On Ubuntu and Fedora I struggled with certain hardware (never got it to work on either lmao), on Arch it's just smooth sailing.

>>717212065 (OP)
>what distro do i pick?
https://nyarchlinux.moe/

>>717248093
not anymore i guess...

>>717251048
one of the problems with fedora is that it doesn't enable non free repositories by default so you're missing out on a chunk of codecs and other necessary stuff, i'm surprised you had trouble with ubuntu though, are you using nvidia or a recent gpu?

>>717252042
I had trouble on Fedora because I was using an OLD nvidia GPU. Fedora can install the drivers for the latest and greatest nvidia GPU pretty easy, but with older ones I think I missed some nuance. Granted I didn't try that hard because it's frustrating when stuff doesn't work and there's no obvious feedback as to why. I'd rather stuff just work right away which is my experience on Arch.

On Ubuntu my network adapter didn't work. It probably would have worked on the 25.04 version, but the default download links lead me to the garbage LTS version of Ubuntu and back then I didn't know that I should avoid that trash like the plague.

>>717252361
>but the default download links lead me to the garbage LTS version of Ubuntu
yeah that's a classic mistake, ubuntu isn't really aimed at regular people, it's for enterprise and servers much like RHEL.

>>717251713
>The perfect linux distribution for degenerated weebs
Lmao

>>717212704
>has a huge corporation backing it
How is this a positive? Just use windows in that case cuck

>>717212065 (OP)
Arch, Fedora, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.
Stay away from single maintainer meme distros.
And stop recommending Mint you fucking retards.
The amount of
>Games don't start on my 9800X3D/9070 XT new build, I'm running Mint btw
posts I've seen is too damn many.

>>717212065 (OP)
I use EndeavourOS.

>>717253741
>And stop recommending Mint you fucking retards
This, my comfy Mint life requires YOU to serve as a beta tester. Join the Arch team today to find more bugs tomorrow.

>>717253169
it means it has enough funds to actually develop and support things instead of being maintained by one schizo that lives in his mother's basements
In general corpos backing things is fine as long as they don't start introducing proprietary standards (ironically Canonical is guilty of that)

>>717252042
Arch is the linux of linux distros. It's hard to get set up but once you do everything is easy

>>717253950
Considering how badly outdated Mint is, your beta testers are Debian and Ubuntu LTS users lmao.

>>717215459
>Ray tracing
Who gives a shit?

>>717253950
>Mesa developers whining they get bug reports from Mint users about bugs they fixed 6+ months ago
More likely than you think.

>>717254070
>how badly outdated Mint is
what's the current kernel version Mint uses, and when was it released?

>>717254208
6.8 last I checked.

>>717254228
As expected from archtard, thinking himself smart while being unable to do a simple google search. It's 6.14.

>>717218231
Who is they?

>>717218231
I like my penguin os

>>717252361
>garbage LTS version of Ubuntu and back then I didn't know that I should avoid that trash like the plague.
you could just install hwe kernel

>>717254267
Maybe you should install Linux Mint instead of googling it, because that's what I did.

>>717254515
>just install a new kernel on your Linux noob first time Linux user
Somehow I don't think you quite understand what you're suggesting.

>>717248102
>Linux Foundation doesn't really support the development of the kernel.
Lie
They are literally paying the Linus schmuck

>>717254585
Literally one liner in terminal
sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-24.04 linux-headers-generic-hwe-24.04

>>717254528
>he doubles down
hello piratesoftware, didn't know you use arch btw, kinda expected tho

>>717254267
What are Loonix users going to do when internet fails?
You won't be able to just google and copy+paste 500 characters of some command into the command line to hopefully get it to work and not get hacked, which btw. is funny that the Loonix terminals are nowadays checking for certain commands and telling the user that the command "mayb" be unsafe.

>>717230995
>Manjaro
Did you encounter any problems

>>717254732
>google in 2025
wintard moment, I'll just ask a local LLM :^)

>>717247785
Every fucking time I encounter SELinux, it just makes things hard to work with.

>>717254646
The amount of monetary support they give to kernel development is miniscule and people have called them out on it for years now.
The "Linux" in Linux Foundation is in name only, it's a foundation that only has corporate interest in mind and very little of that interest is in the development of the kernel.

>>717214752
>Bazzite
Tell me more.
Is It better than Nobara? I remember Nobara being shilled as the "better than SteamOS for gaming" distro but trying to install It as a windows user was a gigashit experience

The busses in my country use Ubuntu

>>717255036
it's great at what it does, featureing a complete desktop experience with drivers and gaming software preinstalled. everything just works.
however, the flatpak base makes it harder to modify and tweak to your liking should you want to change something.

>>717254646
Massive ~2.26% of funds the "Linux" Foundation uses goes to the kernel project.

>>717254883
>Loonix writes just google why my piece of shit doesn't work
>Loonix says muh Wintard muh Google
meds

>>717255325
I'm gonna check It out then
Thanks senpai

>>717255610
Can you provide a breakdown of where the money goes directly. I bet there's a sizeable amount to LGBT causes.

>>717255995
grok, translate this from retarded to english

>>717254701
Congrats, you made me check fucking retard.
Stop pretending to know shit you know nothing about. In b4 "but I can change the kernel on it" ok, very cool. Retard. So can literally everyone else on literally every single Linux distro.

>>717213906
I swear everyone who posts on /v/ lives like a decade in the past.

>>717256704
>retard doesn't update his iso or system
>somehow it's distro's fault
arch really is a special needs distro

>>717256850
Ubuntu has always been good and is still good. You watched some linuxtubers shitting on it and then say "hurr durr you livei n the past" when it's quite literally THE distro

>>717256917
I literally downloaded the iso from the Linux mint website, wrote it to USB and booted it. If you're supposed to download the ISO from some random mega on the Internet to get the "correct version", then that would be the distros fault.
That is the most up to date iso as offered on Linuxmint.com

Just accept that you were objectively wrong or simply go away and stop trying to cope with being wrong. I answered the question correctly as proven by literal Linux mint iso.

>>717257074
>THE distro

>>717212065 (OP)
For me, it's Linux Mint (Cinnamon Edition)

>>717256432
COVID tracking and other BS
but also the Linus fucktard

>>717257123
I proved you wrong here >>717254701 , you can cope and seethe all you want, but the fact is that Mint uses 6.14 kernel.

>>717256704
are you from 50 years ago?
modern systems have properly working GUIs and are not stuck in a shitty ASCII terminal lmao

>>717212065 (OP)
Whatever you do don't get into a "gaming distro" usually it just amounts to you having to trouble shoot random shit you never put on your computer. Pick debian, mint or ubuntu in order of more advanced to beginner.

>>717255610
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/hubfs/Reports/lf_ar24_121524a.pdf?hsLang=en
>paying for Nearly 1,300 Open Source Projects
>and thus controlling them

stunning and brave

>>717257139
>stayed in the top 10 since the birth of Linux
>this is somehow a bad thing

>>717248832
There is nothing wrong with corporations, proprietary software is the problem. Do you think your favorite games are made by charities?

>>717257237
You didn't prove anything there beside that you can install different versions of the kernel on Mint. I even checked the Linux mint forums and most people who post their kernel version are using 6.8.

You are just so terminally wrong and retarded you can't even accept it. I haven't even said anything about that kernel version being bad or inadequate. It even supported my wifi hardware which means Linux Mint chumbos are backporting drivers to it.

>>717257279
Ok I'll be sure to find and screenshot the Linux Mint system information application where it shows the kernel version next time instead of opening the terminal and typing uname -a.
Are you trying to compete with that other guy on being the biggest retard? I don't think you're good enough to compete, you lack sincerity.

>>717257445
Doesn't look like it's "THE distro" to me poser.

>>717257407
>Linux
>controlled by INTEL, MICROSOFT, IBM, Oracle, Hitachi, Qualcomm, Samsung
wow, you really showed these evil corporations whose boss
>TENCENT
ROFLMAO
someone keep this and show it the troons when they complain about le chink spyware and scream about Timmy

>>717212065 (OP)
>gachaslop
What you is you shoot yourself in the head.

>>717257407
>tencent is a linux foundation "platinium member"
>league of legends doesn't work on linux
>valorant doesn't work on linux
what are their stakes in linux?

>>717257501
>platinum membership status
lmao

>>717214437
No it literally just sucks shit. I remember installing it on a new laptop only to have the "tap the trackpad being click" functionality removed. No idea why it was like that or how to change it but not dealing with basic shit like your hardware not working when you could just install any other distro.

>>717257532
100%, they control/fund 1300 open surce projects lmao
and pay Linus, the Nazi kernel developer, who is a racist and a piece of shit

>>717212297
Lmao isnt Ubuntu getting rust coded shit these days. Rust is the de facto tranny code language. You play yourself there, anon

>>717257589
arch is not a proper distribution, all they do is repack upstream packages. ergo if you have a problem, it doesn't come from arch but from the upstream packages.

>>717257451
You're linux tech tips level of idiot, downloading outdated .iso and pretending to be retarded for attention. Go take a shower if you have that much free time.

>>717257636
what's funny is they changed some GUI to rust, which totally (according to troons) protects against memory leaks and such

what happened? the GUI is full of memory leaks and doesn't work roflmao

>>717257672
Link me an up to date ISO, fucktard. You won't because you can't.

>>717257672
>update update update
secure and properly developed software just works and doesn't need patch patch patches every day

>>717257712
>spoonfeed me
learn to use a PC, I'm not your mom to wipe your ass for you, retard

>>717212602
How the fuck is Trixie still not out yet

>>717257896
I already know you can't do it, you don't need to confirm that. Not posting would have sufficed as a concession.

>>717257990
I already posted Mint using 6.14 kernel, but you can keep being a retarded clown, it's entertaining.

>>717258104
No you didn't. You posted some tinkertrannied mint using 6.14 kernel, you didn't post OOBE Mint using 6.14 kernel despite making the claim that Mint uses that kernel by default and being proven wrong by both the Mint installation ISO and people who post on Mint forums. Stop trying to cope this hard, it's uncouth.

>>717258321
I already accepted your concession.

>>717257636
Rust is gay as hell but it is not a reason to not use an OS
Once ubuntu starts being complete dogshit you can always migrate to another linux
Plus rust is even in linux kernel now so there is no escape from it
Unless you use something like FreeBSD or something

>>717258394
ok retard

>>717258437
Not tried of seething yet?

>>717257676
how can it protect against memory leaks when they use bunch of 3rd party cargo packages full of unsafe features just for GTK bindings
there is no way that shit would be any stable
Should've used Zig instead but I guess it is not popular enough among schizo cultists

At this point doing a bare metal local LLM that codes an OS for you is the best choice. No bullshit getting in your way, with your own machine code and instruction set.

I have an amd 6700xt
Whats the best distro?
I just reallt want to get into and ricing it but am also afraid to mess it up.
I know mint and arch are opposite sides of the spectrum in this regard

>>717222817
Never said otherwise, learn to read, faggot.
Still, Arch shouldn't be the baby's first distro.

>>717258430
Jonathan Blow is right on the mark
"why the fuck are computers so slow at regular things, but they can run huge game worlds at 60 fps"
time that someone creates a proper OS
Jonathan Blow has created his own gaming language, which is well designed

>>717260141
You can use any distro with AMD hardware and there will be minimal problems. I think Fedora KDE Plasma version is really easy to use for some newb.

>>717260193
Arch was my babbys first distro. It's not that big of a deal. Just a lot of work to get it set up correctly.

>>717251713
lol, NEATO and cute-o
kinda tempting, but i dont think id trust some weebs with a bunch of AI assistants built in..

Is it true that Nvidia GPUs & CPUs are bad with Linux or did i just read wrong / was i meme'd ?
i dont have any AMD gpu pc's around..

>>717260565
>NVIDIA CPUs

>>717260565
they're buggier and have a worse performance drop (5-10%) compared to windows. the drivers can be a pain to setup too depending on the distribution and how old your gpu is.

>>717213318
Because Debian shipped with like wine 4 at the time and completely broke if you installed a newer version

>>717260347
>It's not that big of a deal. Just a lot of work to get it set up correctly.
It is for someone who wants shit to work out and doesn't expect to spend a whole month fine tuning his operating system.

>>717260671
>nvidia cpus
yes yes i know, i wish i got an AMD CPU but i didnt find one at the time
>>717260680
>depending on the distribution and how old your gpu is
Eh i dunno, i got a pc with a gtx1080 and another with a high end 4090.
Would Linux (overall) work well with a 1080 and i7-6700 for instance?

>>717260948
>NVIDIA CPUs

>>717260565
yes
and when a game doesn't work and you got something else, they will tell you to get Nvidia.

>>717260903
>a whole month
nah. installing arch for the first time shouldn't take more than a couple of hours, even if you're using the lengthy readme instead of archinstall.
people really overestimate how hard it is to install modern linux distribution. it's really as simple as a few menus, pressing next a handful of times and rebooting.

>>717260948
i think nvidia drops support for very old gpus, but a 1080 should be fine. about half the gamers on linux use nvidia so don't worry too much.
just try it from a usb stick, dual boot or something and see if you like it.

>>717260948
It would work better with the 4090, that would be easier to get working regardless of distro. The CPU is whatever.

>>717261181
>>717261701
Thx v/ros, quite reassuring

>>717247921
>>arch -> valve
You stupid nigger

>>717260903
It only took me like a hour to set it up completely manually and most of that was spent autistically doing the partitions and setting all the correct types for those. Pretty sure this isn't even necessary for it to work because I yolod an arch test install at one point and it worked.
Once it was set up and I booted into KDE, everything worked more or less correctly at that point. I did spend the next few months doing some work on it every now and then, though, to go through things I had not thought about or forgotten. For example configuring pipewire to disable audio sink sleep and produce inaudible digital noise to keep my DAC always on. Disabling sleep on Intel HDA. Enabling stuff like trim and BTFRS scrub timer for my SSD Installing plymouth so I don't have to look at text while booting and such stuff.

It's not something I was constantly doing, I was using the computer normally the whole time.

>>717249346
Absolutely disgusting
>>717249705
Get with the times, grandpa

>>717255036
Nobara is made by one guy for his family's computers, definitely don't try to replace windows with it as your first linux distro

>>717262318
Yeah, people here are recommending distros run by one guy instead of a distro backed by Canonical

>>717262007
Valve is paying for arch's build servers since currently arch packages are all built and uploaded by hand kek

Can you imagine installing a software with logo this stupid? Linux is fine as an OS but this fucking penguin is the reason the masses can’t take Linux seriously.
3D cg slop from ages past.

>>717263351
it's pure soul

>>717263476
penguins are gay

>>717213906
>>717212065 (OP)
Where is this meme with beginner distros coming from?
I tried
>Ubuntu
>Debian
>popOS
>Linux Mint
>Manjaro
>EndeavourOS

All of them work fine out of the box. Like most of the stuff you're doing is just basic stuff and with Proton you don't have to do anyhting
Some Linux issues still remain, like the weird bugs or when your OS just decides to kill itself for no (apparent) reason. Or no GamePass
Also fuck Manjaro, that's just a piece of shit

>>717234406
Debian has a larger community of actively contributing users vetting packages and maintaining the repo. Users that aren't just ricing their desktops and otherwise treating their computer like a glorified gaming console which I think describes most arch users

>>717235580
There's nothing like proton on macs as far as I'm aware, so you can only play games that have mac versions

>>717265116
Wine does exist but it's going through an additional translation layer now on Apple CPUs

linux mint normie here, how easy is it to brick my system? If i do a system update am i going have to back everything up beforehand? I really want to use this as a daily machine but i hate the idea of losing files in a single click

>>717218521
>star of david in the background

>>717265621
You won't lose anything if you brick it. You can still get the files from the drive using a live CD. Can probably fix it too.

>>717265621
You should be fine. Check if Mint's forums have threads about updates. I'm retarded and I use Manjaro which is far more likely to break. They have a forum thread for every update and it lists what's changing and what can potentially be a problem

>>717265621
if you're afraid of bricking your system here are two things you should be doing:
- Use btrfs for its incredible backup support
- Separate the root and home partitions so you can easily reinstall the system without affecting your files

I use Linux Mint to browse web.
No ads, no one taking screenshot of my screen, no telemetry, it just works.

>>717265621
One update "bricked" my system like a year or two ago, but other than that everything have worked just fine.

>>717254184
The entire gaming industry

>>717212065 (OP)
Last I checked Mint's mesa drivers are horribly out of date (it is a stable release distro after all) and from my experience I got maybe half the frames I should be getting on Mint on modern games such as Elden Ring as I would on Windows 10. I recommend Endeavor OS because it's basically just Arch but with more gui elements

>>717267926
Yeah Mint is the grandma distro, it's stable and works great if all you do is browse the net, and sure it can game but you're gonna have a much worse experience in terms of performance and features compared to using a real distro.
It's a good distro to recommend for people who just want a basic experience, but it's a mistake to recommend for gamers.
/v/ just parrots it as a recommendation because it's usually recommended online in the context of an avaerage joe who wants to switch from windows to linux where gaming hasn't been brought up

>>717254701
Why do you have TWO LTS kernels installed? Only keep the Active one as that one is already rock solid stable and only receiving security patches and bug fixes and delete the Installed one. If you want to practice the new and LTS kernel motto then installed the 6.14 or 6.8 as your "LTS" because they all are LTS. 6.16 was released last Sunday.

>>717267926
>>717268301
shalom

>>717268301
One thing I will give to Mint is that Cinnamon is a very soulful desktop. It's not as indepth as KDE but KDE looks like total shit without intense customization while Cinnamon will look good regardless

>Troonix
>Gaming
So just a CLI Pong variation? No normal human being is going to go trough billions of hoops to play videogames, wake me up when they drop a 'plug and play' Linux distro that just werks.

>>717212065 (OP)
>wuthering waves
https://areweanticheatyet.com/?search=wuthering+waves&sortOrder=&sortBy=

>>717212297
I used Ubuntu for a few months and it kinda sucked. In their efforts to make things user friendly it seems like they break a lot of stuff. I would recommend using a standard like Debian or Arch and getting accustomed with how things are supposed to work instead of hiding from it.

>>717218594
Only trannies have a hate-obsession with mac like you

>>717221276
Gentoo is good. I have been using it since 2017. After a couple botched installation attempts I actually read the documentation and it clicked. Lol

>>717251713
>latest version: 25.04 astolfo
uh oh

>>717251713
we need another war

>>717270417
nothing more onions than mac and apple a brand for literal women faggots and basedcucks

>>717271756
We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little.

>>717267749
Yes, the gaming industry is forcefully shoving their ray traced cock down our collective mouth, your point?

>>717272638
That AMD is looking for way to improve raytracing performance? I'm just sharing the fact.

>>717273423
k. Come back when enabling raytracing doesn't tank performance for negligent visual gains.

>>717273862
You are talking mad shit directly from your gaping anus. Can you prove these claims you are making? You can't.

>>717212065 (OP)
I use a meme distro but I would just use Fedora or Opensuse.

>>717274880
>or Opensuse.
Not beginner friendly at all but good distro

>>717270306
>In their efforts to make things user friendly it seems like they break a lot of stuff.
example?
and not ui related (i don't use the default flavor) nor snap related (i use apt)

>>717263476
so much sovl that I feel like crying

>>717254775
yeah it made me too eased when with Arch you need to be on top of that stuff.

Just go full Arch and face the reality of your system instead of going Manjaro.

Mint is the Plug and play Distro. Fedora is the plug and play in terms of upstream.

>windows
just keep program exe files and folders on a drive
>linux
what do i do? just keep flatpaks and appimages stored? im just worried about preservation is all

>>717212065 (OP)
Yes, you can play wuthering waves on linux desktop. CachyOS is the "closest" to the SteamDeck experience, so go with it... Ofc you achieve the same experience with most distros, because Steam and Proton will work on most distros.

>>717276583
appimages are easy, they are basically just really fat portable exe files so you can copy them just fine
Never tried anything with flatpaks but I think you can just export them to usb drive if needed

>>717276583
Depens on what you want to preserve.
System package? Just save the package file.
Steam games? Just copy the steamapps folder
Appimages? They're a single file lmao, do whatever you want with it
Not sure with flatpaks though.

>>717257532
Cloud infrastructure in China
You forget that Tencent is a megacorporation and making games is a side business

>>717212065 (OP)
the one that works best for you tbqh

when is Nvidia gonna fix DX12 I want to install linux......

>>717265621
The only thing that can brick a PC is a bad BIOS flash

i use mint because i like green :)

>>717281934
Fair reasoning. I like green too.

>>717212065 (OP)
The company behind Ubuntu has made some very shady choices over the last years. So I recommend mint because it's Ubuntu without the bullshit. I've been using it exclusively for over 5 years and it has satisfied my needs. Some games that use kernel level anticheats may not work on linux in general but besides that Steam has poured millions to ensure that everything else runs smoothly.

>>717212065 (OP)
Been using Bazzite myself for about a month now and it's been pretty great so far. There are a few programs I want to install that aren't available as flatpaks, but apparently if I mess with distroboxes I can install them? I haven't figured it out yet but I will eventually. Other than that pretty great no real complaints.

>>717282880
So you're using Fedora Atomic with Steam preinstalled

>>717283084
I mean sure? If that's meant to be insulting it isn't really. Not sure why some people get offended over the idea of somebody using an easy distro that just works.

>>717283549
Fedora is the easy distro. Only part about Bazzite that's easier than fedora is the fact that it does have graphics drivers pre-installed.

>>717283549
"popular BAD" is an integral part of some people's "personality" and it extends to literally everything, apparently.

>>717212065 (OP)
Bazzite.

>>717282880
You can use Appimages if the programs you need provide them. If not, you can definitely use distrobox and it should work for a lot of software. If these programs are Windows-available you can technically also use Bottles or Lutris to install them (assuming they're compatible).
Alternatively, you can use rpm-ostree if nothing else works. It will actually install software "natively" compared to flatpaks/distrobox/wine. Just be conservative with rpm-ostree as too many "layers" of it can increase your system update times. I personally set up virtualization and some development dependencies this way.

>>717283549
Just understand that there are autistic Linux users who consider you a lesser person if you haven't done much manual work to get your operating system up and running. You will be mocked for taking a convenient or more stable path. Ignore these guys, they're literally tech vegans. Use whatever works for you.

How often should I clean the cache of my package manager?
I never did on this install and it's reached 50 GiB

>>717285473
>50 GiB of cache
Holy shit, what distro and when did you originally install it?

>>717285634
it gets worse
arch, four years

>>717285752
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman why didn't you just read this? I mean there's even a timer to clean it automatically if you want to.

>>717285752
oof

>>717285839
>does not remove the old or uninstalled versions automatically
That's kinda retarded. It should automatically clean up anything more than a month old. There's no reason to ever keep cache that old.

>>717286016
Arch doesn't do anything automatically. It does whatever you want it to do.

>>717285473
Never.
Jokes aside, wipe anything that isn't installed weekly on a cron job unless you're keeping this stuff around deliberately.

>>717286313
>being a slave to your OS
Sad

>>717286913
What are you retarded or something? That's literally the opposite. The whole point of Arch is that you're not a slave to your OS. It only does exactly what you want it to do.
It's not quite at the level of Gentoo, but compared to shit like CachyOS, Ubuntu, Mint, etc it's way easier to get what you want.

Status on VR in Linux in 2025?
Been using Linux since 2020, but I'm aware how it's tricky to get vr to work in it.

>>717212065 (OP)
>>>/g/
If you want to learn Linux then pick Arch or NixOS. If you just want to game get SteamOS.

>>717287306
>OS doesn't do a basic thing that everyone expects it to
>you have to fuck around with it manually
>...
>this is somehow not slaving away to your OS
Yeah, you're coping really hard slave boy.

>>717287702
Who is this "everyone", fucktard? Literally just you? I have to fuck around with the other distros way more to get them where I want them. I don't even know what you think this mythical "basic thing that everyone expects" is.

What's next, you gonna tell me to install Windows because "it just works"? Absolute retard.

>>717289691
>I don't even know what you think this mythical "basic thing that everyone expects" is.
Clearing the fucking useless cache automatically, you dumb fucking mouth-breather.

>>717290004
It literally does that, retard.

>>717290004
*windows /temp has entered le chat*

>>717290246
>try to delete the contents of %TEMP%
>PERMISSION DENIED LUL

>>717290339
Sounds like some malware is still running :^)

>>717290113
see:
>>717286313
>>717286016
>>717285839

>>717220886
Why?

>>717290786
If you want it to do that automatically, it will do it automatically. Do you understand? You need to want it for it to do that.

>>717212065 (OP)
Whatever is mainstream and supported. Distro doesn't matter. They all use the same user libraries and kernels.

Mint or Ubuntu.

>>717212602
Blue pony
>>717213131
Distro is basically irrelevant. Even Arch's AUR is pointless since you can always build from source.

>>717291346
It's not irrelevant because depending on which distro you pick, it will shape your experience.
For example, I had infinitely more enjoyable experience with Mint and Fedora KDE compared to Ubuntu. I'd go so far as to Ubuntu was outright miserable. PoopOS and Fedora atomic with Cosmic Desktop was miserable too.

>>717290403
No, what's actually going on is that processes running as SYSTEM dump shit there that you literally can't get permissions to access without also running a command prompt as SYSTEM
Windows also makes no distinction between /var and /tmp like unix operating systems do so it dumps runtime cache there too

>>717291067
>If you want it to do that automatically
I want it to do it by default, like any non-retarded OS would.

>>717285752
sudo pacman -Scc

DO IT. NOW.

POST RESULTS

FAGGOT

>>717291965
Then use Windows or some other distro that does it. Arch is not for you. Fuck is wrong with you, retard? Nobody forces you to use software that doesn't fit your preferences.

>>717292162
>Fuck is wrong with you, retard?
Right back at you. Why are you crashing out over your shitty OS being called shit for not doing a common sense basic thing? Is sunk cost fallacy hitting you that hard? Touch grass.

>>717292665
I'm not the one seething about an OS I'm not even using being unfit for my preferences. You seem to be too low IQ to understand that I don't want your retard common sense in my software, that's why I'm calling you retarded.
Because you are. Your preferences are shit.

>>717292104
still kept the most recent package in pacman cache

>>717293539
>you are not allowed to call shit games shit
meds

>>717291606
Personal problem.

>>717291254
Exactly
It is the same kernel, same flatpaks and the same steam client with proton
The only major difference is usually your desktop environment and your system package manager

>>717294373
Calling a FPS game shit and claiming it needs to have RPG mechanics and candy crush minigame because you are bad at FPS is just as retarded as what you're doing here.

>>717295167
that's not correct.
We are calling a shit FPS shit, because it fails at being an FPS and the controls suck and it crashes all the time, and it's insecure as fuck, plus it's funded by sorts of evil corpos.

>>717295329
I almost feel my IQ dropping by speaking to someone as stupid as you. Here is what Arch Linux claims to be:
>The default installation is a minimal base system, configured by the user to only add what is purposely required.

Is it or is it not living up to that description? Don't answer that, you're too retarded to read I'm sure.

>>717294186
not even a thank you you ungrateful bastard

>>717294186
If you want the cache gone completely, that's a job for rm -rf retard.

>>717295721
>minimal base system
so it's not really an OPERATING SYSTEM, got it.

>>717295804
I used paccache because I wanted the backups

>>717295721
>when it's just my Loonix kernel, it's totally secure
about that, meanwhile in reality
https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php

>>717296039
Yeah it's a device for making holes in donuts, retard. Aren't you embarrassed being so stupid?

>>717296147
retard doesn't understand what an OPERATING SYSTEM actually is.
hilarious
imagine Windows didn't come with basic tools

>>717296262
Ouch. You're really reaching levels of retard I can't understand. Is Windows PE not an operating system because it doesn't come with basic tools like Windows Store? Lmao.

>>717295721
>it comes with basically nothing
>ISO Size: 1.3 GB
Choose one

>we got a broken package manager
>The base package does not include all tools from the live installation, so installing more packages may be necessary for a fully functional base system.
Make it so it makes sense
>may
lmao

Jesus nvidia users are still truly in the shed on linux huh?
Fedora 42's basic nvidia drivers can't even run stellar blade.

>>717296468
>PRE-INSTALLATION is a OPERATING SYSTEM
Oh no, the Loonix fanboy is retarded

>250 MB
at least that one is relatively small

>>717286913
so your average linux users?

>>717296581
Despite what people say, Nvidia on Linux is a meme. Just use AMD

>>717296581
I hope Nvidia drivers forever remain shit in Linux so we dont have this vermin retarded faggot consumers over here

>>717296961
>when hardware doesn't work in our ShitOS, that's actually good
lmao

>>717240815
literally all of that doesn't matter on windows, kek
meanwhile troonix users must deal with that to troubleshoot their shitty windows emulator (cus just like trans, they're obsessed emulating woman)

>>717296546
I didn't say "It comes with basically nothing", where the hell did you get that from?
That line I quoted says "the default installation is a minimal base system". The ISO used for deployment is not the same minimal base system you get when you install, because the ISO needs support for shit like networking, python and all kinds of other crap.

>>717296732
Windows PE is 1.1GB, retard. I have a working copy of it based on Windows 11. I like how you're so proud of being retarded that you don't even know what WinPE looks like. It's literally just retro looking Windows 11.

>>717297010
keeping nvidias subhuman vermin away is a feature yes COPE

>>717240815
>no u are the troon
that never works out, marxist

>>717297161
>I didn't say "It comes with basically nothing"
>The default installation is a minimal base system
Choose one
also meds
>1.1 GB
oh noes, he's a retard

https://msfn.org/board/topic/69140-smallest-possible-pe-size/
> 90 megs
cope, troon

>>717297185
>it works on all systems
>unless you got a NVidia GPU, buy a different GPU
>no, not that one, another one
>unless you got specific printers, that also doesn't work
>buy a different one
>no, not that one
it really works, does it

>>717297302
The smallest possible PE size at the moment is a 16Mb build based on bartPE - this project is named microPE

this kills the troon

>>717297302
You're talking about the ISO size, though, are you actually mentally disabled? The ISO isn't "minimal base system". It's used for deployment.

By the way, did you look at those posts in the link you posted? They are from 2006 lmao. That would be WinPE based on Windows NT5 or DOS most likely.

>>717297454
>the ISO size doesn't count

>>717297454
>Microsoft shipped DOS in 2006
meds
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dT6msph4XZI

>>717297369
>projection
>>717297373
>tpm1
>tpm1.2
>tpm1.3
>copilot
>dx12
retard

>>717297639
>optional features are le bad and like NON WORKING HARDWARE in my ShitOS
meds

>>717297639
>drivers fucking works
>games fucking works
>the latest bf slop fucking works
""""""""""""""""projection""""""""""""""""

>>717297606
Do you recognize the word "or"? Look it up in the dictionary. People still used Windows 9x in 2006.

>>717297809
>Microsoft shipped Windows or DOS in 2006
meds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlzLLJOt5Tc

>>717215104
nobody ends up on arch for more than a year or two, openSUSE is the actual retirement home

>>717298045
this is the actual retirement home

>>717297984
Windows ME was shipped in 2000.

>>717298095
false, that got the troon-flu too
Windows 7 is the retirement home
>bonus: no LGBTQP+ woke games on it

>>717298217
Windows 7 is peak, yeah

>>717298184
>Windows is DOS
meds
>2000 is 2006
meds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7yOepymVy8

>>717298217
Windows 10 is way better than Windows 7. Windows 11 is better than 10. Assuming you can get past the ads, but I'm sure you're used to debloating Windows by now considering everything past Win 2000 required it.

you cant even rice windows, what a garbage OS

>>717298347
no, it's not.
Troonix is also terrible, and will always be terrible.

>>717298284
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows_version_history

>>717298429
Lets see your winget in Windows 7? Or how about DX12? Oh what's that, you can't play video games?

>>717298395
I saw such images in BBSes around 30 years ago
grim

>>717298442
it says Windows ME was not released in 2006.
meds
>The product line evolved in the 1990s from an operating environment into a fully complete, modern operating system over two lines of development, each with their own separate codebase.
meds

>>717217314
wait you have to install it for each individual game? you just install it once on linux

>>717298504
no, that's woke slop
my Windows games all work fine

>>717296961
>>717296953
It was fine after updating the drivers guys. Was just a bit of a laff. You're all really over the top.

>>717298607
Nice cope for being unable to play video games.

>>717298654
my Windows games all work fine
>but the woke slop walking simulators
those are not actual games, cope

>>717217314
wait, so now even Windows users use DXVK
Kinda funny not gonna lie

>>717298395
Troon shit

>>717298395
Check out my sick Windows rice from 2010
AEROGLASS
More like AeroASS

>>717298654
>but Star Wars Outlaws
>but Alan Woke 2
>but Ass-Woke Creed
>but Far Woke 6
that's leftist propaganda, not games
>but you need to race mix
fuck off, retard

>>717298890
No need to be upset. I'm sure one day you'll be able to get a computer that can play them.

>>717298920
fuck off leftie
back in your cage

>>717298868
That's actually pretty cool anon

>>717298568
>install once
More like per winetroon prefix you dunce, lmao

>jews seething people don't want to use Microsoft Spyware with built in keyloggers
Yes windows 10 and 11 have keyloggers

>>717298654
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/world-of-warcraft-uses-directx-12-running-on-windows-7/
cope, liar

>>717299065
>Troons want to push people to use Google spyware
not even once

>>717298781
DXVK was a godsend as a win7 user when games stopped supporting it.

>>717285473
>>717285752
Why do you want to clear your cache? Is your drive full?

>>717298985
It wasn't practical at all. The foobar skin and taskbar modifications were the only part that didn't suck.

>>717298395
EXT4 will never die

>>717298987
why would i do that when it just works:tm:

>>717299338
didn't a murderer create a file system for Troonix?

>>717299385
No, a file system programmer murdered his wife. It was removed recently I think.

>>717299349
I don't even need DXVK in the first place

>>717212065 (OP)
get a usb flash drive, put ventoy on it and download the .iso of all distros you're considering and try them

gaming shit is supported on all the ones in your pic. personally i use fedora

>>717299827
>fedora
m'lady

>>717298868
Where's your fucking bblean and rainmeter scrub

>>717237251
i switched to linux a few days ago (opensuse ftw) and i legitimately wish i had just switched to it 4 years ago instead of wasting that time on win11, everything just works now and it feels so slick and fast compared to modern bloatdows

I love KDE bros. Why would anybody use gnome over it when KDE just works so well?

>>717300394
>everything just works
$0.01 wahoo bucks were just deposited to your account.

>>717300456
Try Ctrl+Super+Scrollwheel and have fun

>>717246837
the performance difference is pretty minimal, besides both of them run software faster than winbloat

>>717300587
no thank you I will not produce the mustard gas

>>717299385
>>717299537
ReiserFS lol. Removed in kernel 6.3 due to lack of maintenance. It was the first Journaling file system to be included, in version 2.4 of the kernel.

>>717300587
Well, that was unexpected.

>>717299827
Distro doesn't matter, only desktop environment.
>>717300512
EAC fully supports Linux. It's just development being assholes and not ticking a single checkbox in their developer console.

>>717301283
>full support
>JUST disable all the KERNEL anti-cheat
meds

>>717300512
>Concord doesn't work on linux
no...

>>717260565
they were bad a year ago but with the 570.xx series drivers and beyond they work just fine. all the distros have basically caught up to the modern drivers now afaik.

>>717301409
What the fuck are you talking about. EAC supports Linux.

>>717301568
>support
>disable most of the ANTI-CHEAT because Troonix doesn't want anyone peeking
meds

>>717301409
As much as I'm sure these developers would love to have kernel-level anticheat on Linux, they actually can't, legally speaking
Combination of something like that with the GPLv2 kernel is a license violation, i.e. copyright infringement

>>717274967
tumbleweed and leap are perfectly fine beginner distros, zypper snapshots will save their ass if they actually fuck anything up

>>717300456
I like xfce myself.

>>717301610
Anti cheat software should not be a rootkit. Plus if anyone really really wants to chest they can run a VM where kernel access can't see anything.

>>717281934
its not a coincidence that mint and openSUSE are the best distros

>>717301659
>they can't
So anti-cheat does not work in Loonix, therefore it would be irresponsible to allow mentally ill cheating troons

>>717301810
Anti cheat doesn't work on windows either so the point is moot. Jeet programmers don't know how to properly do client-server scripting.

>>717301772
>anti-cheat should not be able to detect my cheats
meds
>you can't detect a VM
meds

>>717301876
it works just fine, and Windows doesn't support cheaters

>>717300171
I don't like that. I used something analogous to Rainmeter on Linux in 2013 and it made me feel like a dork. I never even see my desktop...

>>717301659
I'm pretty sure if they wanted to make some kind of an anti-cheat kernel module they could, attach it using dkms. I sure as hell wouldn't want to run something like that though. I don't want it on Windows either.

>>717298840
>winbloat user thinks looking at a lady is "troonshit"

cant even make this up

>>717298607
>game runs at half speed becuase it has to share system resources with copilot and the 51435 seperate "telemetry" services microsoft shoved into 10 and 11
yep runs great

>>717302258
>muh optional features bad
meds
>it was real in my mind
meds

>>717299172
go point out the mandatory linux packages that are "google spyware" op

>>717299556
tell them that they should probably try installing some gpu drivers

>>717302340
>I can also choose Fireslop, which isn't Google spy-ACK