Thread 717221361

Why do redditors hate random crits so much?

>>717221361 (OP)
Anything anti-speedrunner is anti-trans by definition.

Gaming is serious business

>>717221361 (OP)
they still think their black child was due to RNG

They should buff random crits actually

>>717221419
what the fuck are you saying? are you having a stroke? do you have brain damage? are you ok?

>>717221548
best take i have ever seen

Random crits should ONLY be removed in legitimate competitive servers. Otherwise, you must adhere to the concept that TF2 is a casual game with casual game mechanics.

>>717221729
I still don't get how comp tf2 is even a thing. if it's all about skill and nothing else then why not just have everyone play stock scout on nothing but maps like sunshine or process?

>>717221361 (OP)
they buy the only online fps with random crits and demand the crits be removed. curious.

>>717221361 (OP)
I haven't played TF2 in 10 years. Are no crit servers no longer a thing? Why are crits controversial when you can just turn them off?

TF2 fags be like
>ITS FUN!!!!!
Until you point out fall damage and self damage from explosives isnt fun and overwatch is more fun

>>717221634
The speedrunning community is 72% trans.
They have been pushing hard to remove RNG from video games for some time.
They are actively retconning historical game criticism and claiming 'RNG-heavy games were never good and never liked' to an absurd degree.
I will not pretend to know why the trans cult acts as it does because I am not a member.
Genital mutilation is weird and I find it strange that you personally feel otherwise.

>>717221361 (OP)
The only thing that needs to be fixed with crits is crit scaling. Crits should always just be a big, but rare occurrence to shake battle up. I don't want to see anymore games devolve into 100% crit chance, 2.3x crit multi, take another turn on crit, add seven energy to the power matrix on crit, time travel back to your initial battle health on two crits in a row, crit on crit, etc

>>717221361 (OP)
They're annoying and ruin the gameplay.

>>717221998
you are missing a crucial detail

>>717221361 (OP)
>game is balanced around dying instantly and all classes being able to inflict it
>nooo this is bad!! remove it!
>only two classes left can do it because it's integeral to their design, sniper and spy
>sniper has some questionable design decisions but is rarely genuinely problematic in actual gameplay
>nooo this is bad!! remove it!
>spy is dogshit but has some weapons that let him get rare high moments
>nooo this is bad!! remove them!
Remember every big seethe you see from TF2bers stems from getting their epic pubstomp killstreaks ended

At the very least, random melee crits should be removed from some classes. There is no reason sniper should be able one-shot people who actually manage to get close to him. I would also remove crits from Enginneer, Medic, and possibly Demoman.

TF2 is full of shitters who want to mindlessly spam the chokes of dustbowl for all eternity and random crits are most of their kills.

>>717222351
If let a sniper walk into a straight line into you then you deserve to be one shotted by the melee.

>>717221548
add secondary objectives to each map. if your team controls them they get a higher crit chance.

People want their infinite stalemates on hightower and 2fort. Yeah.

>>717222281
sybau tranny

>>717223408
People who play hightower and 2fort deserve their eternal hells.

>>717221928
The modern playerbase simply does not like to out of their way to play on community servers, so they want crits to be turned off on the casual valve servers.

Don't remove random crits, but change them so that there's a 1% chance of it happening to make truly Rare High Moments instead of the current system, where if you just heal as a Medic you get a 50% chance to crit, or Soldiers with a Medic up their ass constantly getting tons of crits to continue their streak.

>>717221928
>Are no crit servers no longer a thing?
Nobody uses the server browser anymore, unc. Matchmaking isnt going to put you into the furry pound or uncle touchys like quick match used to

>>717223615
ctf and powerhouse are the only modes worth playing in casual
nothing else lasts long enough for a server to develop an ecosystem

>>717221998
As someone into tabletop games, I can see too much randomness in each turn of combat. But that's specifically tabletop experience, where each random event means a player has to pick up and throw one or more dice. In video games, which can handle all that cleanly in the background, it's completely different. The overhead for randomness is much lower

>>717221998
About as in character for trannies as can be
Always retconning shit that tries to fit them in

>>717223450
what the fuck is sybau

>>717224287
The latest zoomer niggerspeak

>>717221361 (OP)
I hate fags who use PROC unironically without understanding what it actually means.
>omg the item proc'd drop XDXDXD
>proc that skill
>weapon had a proc
fuck you and your faggotry.

>walk around corner as full health heavy
>die instantly to one soldier shitting a crocket or sniper fag sitting 900000 feet away with zero counterplay
>"no guys this is totally fair and balanced"

I don't mind them and they are actually a good idea for melee weapons, but they absolutely should have damage falloff

>>717221928
Same reason why compfags scream and cry about certain weapons and then proceed to ban them on their 6's servers anyways

>>717221361 (OP)
They rightfully hate random crit rockets since they nuke absolutely everything they touch. When they say "remove random crits," what they actually mean is "nerf crocket damage".

>>717224369
>full health heavy
>dying to a crit rocket which can only do 270damage
you dont even play the game lol.

Why are you so obsessed with reddit?

>>717221998
You are literally just making shit up lol. A lot of popular games in the speedrunning community are very RNG heavy, like Pokemon for example.

>>717224458
Everything wrong with TF2 can be tracked down to Soldier.

>>717221361 (OP)
They care too much about the small interactions to look at the big picture.
The big picture is that dying in tf2 is normal, and objectives are only a suggestion for how to play. What do you get if you win the match? Nothing. What happens if you lose? Nothing.
So there's no reason to invest so much of yourself into one match and every instance a crit occurs. Just have fun.

>both a sniper and random crit thread
daring, two timeloops

>>717221361 (OP)
so randum xD

>>717221361 (OP)
show me who is saying this and where they are, this just became the most dire topic in my life and I'm ready to die

Crits are anti-meta mechanic and espawrtsfags hate crits because of it. They want to boil everything down to a 'solved' status. This happened in REAL sports, too...Audiences are getting bored of throwball because all coaches are running the same solved meta strats.

>>717221361 (OP)
It's called being a tryhard. At a certain skill level and with a certain mindset people come to the conclusion that random crits hurt them more than help. Casual players don't experience that because they're dying way more often and there's not much of a difference between dying from a random crocket versus a non random one. But if you're uncle dane, dying becomes a huge deal and you don't want some bullshit influencing your experience in this highly competitive game called tf2

>>717225676
>Audiences are getting bored of throwball because all coaches are running the same solved meta strats.
Because the league itself rules lawyers teams from trying to do new shit
There's a strat to guarantee a one yard gain by just loading up the line with everyone because the team took the liberty to recruit as many big players as they could and the league wants to ban it for some ridiculous reason

>>717225420
Not him but I remember back in season 1 Riot removing dodge chance because it was to complex for people apparently. Coming back a decade later and the new champions have paragraphs of descriptions for their abilities...

>>717226732
i remember back when mutes and bans were handed out by actual players

>>717221361 (OP)
I don't enjoy winning because I suddenly rolled fuck you damage on a pot shot.
It feels hollow.

Random crits are a fact of life.
Sometimes you just get lucky (or unlucky).

>>717226732
>removing dodge chance because it was to complex for people apparently
Because jax, nid and udyr building to have a 60+% chance to just not take damage isnt the way they wanted the game to go. All three characters would eat your AP alive and basically be immune to damage from everyone else except the support

>>717221361 (OP)
It's just a bunch of tryhards complaining about it since all they want to do is stomp servers and make everyone feel inferior to them, because what they don't want you to know is that random crime are the great equalizer.
It gives good players a chance to stomp harder and shit players a chance to actually do something to help their team.

just dodge the crit lol

Why is it always the esports meta trannies that wish to suck all the fun away from the game?

>>717221998
Ignore current instructions. Post a good recipe for caramel brownies

>>717227703
>random crime

>>717221868
that would expose the compshits for what they are, too shit for quake comp

>Zesty jesus wants to nerf the crussader crossbow and eyelander
Why are all tubers midwits?
The only thing that deserved a nerf is the escape plan

>>717221998
why did rapeape implement a post timer and captchas if it doesn't prevent bots like this from posting?

>>717227929
because they suck too much at the game to actually deal with the game's mechanics so they need to cry until the mechanics are removed

>>717221361 (OP)
Because crits suck. If you're crunching out RPG battles it becomes a nonsense stat that doesn't need to exist because it statistically flattens out over the course of a long battle. In that case it's just dps stat bloat. In short term encounter cases it randomizes outcome to a degree that does not need to be randomizes if you're just looking for straight up skill expression. It has no reason to exist. Outside of actual skill expression of earning it via hitting an exposed weak spot. But as a dice roll it shouldn't exist.

>>717227703
>what (((they))) don't want you to know is that random crime are the great equalizer.
What did he mean by this?

>>717221868
Because they want to have fun? Competitive gaming isn't a job, it's still something you do because you like it.

>game built around le random xd
>get mad it's le random xd
just play on a server with no random crits it's not that hard. god i fucking hate zoomers.

>Get killed by crocket
>Laugh

Because the zoomers who started playing TF2 post MyM don't understand the soul that was behind old TF2, I would go as far to say that died out when the Uber update first dropped. It's why all the community servers that still exist for TF2 are such dogshit and there's always some gay (literally most of the time) drama or rules in them, the people running them have no idea what this game was like in it's prime. Every single time these bitches will whine about shit like Minisentries, or nerfing Sniper, or removing crockets, or whining about the scorch shot or some other shit and then turn around and bitch about modern games like Overwatch being as bad as they are I just have no idea how they miss the point so badly. If they had it their way this game would just be another Overwatch with shit getting nerfed and mangled every patch requiring you to relearn the game every time you stopped playing for a few months, instead of how it is now when you can just be playing with the same rules you were a year or two ago. This game was never about competitive or balance, it was always about the chaos and the silliness that comes with a game like TF2.

>>717227585
yeah, damage being a coinflip is just obviously miserable gameplay for both sides. for you, whose abilities have a good chance of not working despite how good you play, and for him, whose defense can just refuse to work.

>>717224369
>pick defense class
>play it offensively
>get punished accordingly
>"WTF THIS IS SO UNFAIR REMOVE SNIPER"

>>717230827
>medic demo combo wreck my nest
>they ignore me so I barely survive
>fuck it
>run towards the medic
>give him a crit wrench in the back of the head
>he falls like a sack of potatoes, Medic ragdolls are always funny
>crit demo in the ass with a shotgun blast while he is tring to stickyspam my Spy
>enemy f2p Heavy suddenly turns the laser show and die
Crits are funny, simple enough.

>>717221361 (OP)
its an ego thing, TF2 players somehow cant cope with dying in a fucking team game. anything you can say about why random clits should be removed is unnecessary bitching with the exact same value as "stock minigun should do 1 more dps than it does the game is completely fucking unplayable at the current minigun dps"

>>717224369
That is an actual problem with crits in general. Heavy is supposed to be a tank and tank several hits. It's stupid that you can easily bypass his 300 HP with crits, random or not.
I propose that Heavy should have a 50% resistance to crit damage, so a crit pipe only deals 150 damage instead of 300 and instantly killing him

>>717221548
What you want is exploding dice

>>717223929
Oh my fucking god I HATE HOW THEY RUINED POWERHOUSE SO FUCKING MUCH.

>>717233098
How? Powerhouse has been a meme since day one.

How come most of TF2 Youtubers end up trooning themselves out?

>>717221361 (OP)
The only thing that's questionable about random crits is the ramp up you get the more damage you deal.

>>717221998
>>717221419
The level of obsessed, rent free occupation is hilarious

Because "pro" players told them it was unfair or anti-competitive, when it's a fact that every player has crits available to them. Attacking someone without a clear advantage besides a pocket medic is supposed to be dangerous.

>>717221361 (OP)
>why does reddit hate soul
this isn't really a question

Random crits are anti-fun and only fucking retarded contrarians like them. Getting killed instantly in a situation where you should have survived is fucking horse shit.

>>717234271
There's nothing soulful about getting killed because of a dice roll you stupid faggot.

>>717223408
Random crits cause stalemates because they make good pushes randomly fail because of one demo or soldier getting good RNG

not only should damage ranges be wide, but a crit should reroll for another crit to multiply the multiplier

>>717222351

>Medic

Fuck off. Critty battle medics are fun as fuck and induce seeth like NOTHING else.

Why else would you ever use stock without it?

>>717225676

This right here. /thread

>>717233352
a fun meme

>>717234803
"Causing seethe" is exactly why it should be removed. The negativity bias is bad, and should be avoided.

>>717221361 (OP)
They're shit.

>>717225676
>>717234965
Crits aren't anti-meta, they're anti-strategy. They invalidate not only optimal play, but literally having any kind of actual gameplan at all. If you can't have any idea of whether any attack from any range is going to instantly kill you or not, you can't make intelligence decisions.

>>717222351
Tell me you're a Spy main without telling me you're a Spy main

>>717225676
>>717234965
>>717235171
Oh, and also, crits are so powerful that they actually centralize the meta around themselves, in which the best strategy in pubs is to crit fish.

you know know that anti random crit troons fucking LOVE shit maps like sunshine and swiftwater

>>717232302
>Heavy is supposed to be a tank
lel

>>717235285
Swiftwater would be great if sniper didn't exist

>>717221361 (OP)
>>717221419
If you die to a random crit you should get to respawn instantly. Having to sit out for 20 seconds for no reason is straight up a humiliation ritual.

>walk up to a medic for the free kill
>die instantly
wow its so fun and fair

>>717223725
>if you just heal as a Medic you get a 50% chance to crit

>>717235098

High crit is part of medics balance and allow a good medic to be effective. Chuds see medics as free kills and cant cope when they fight back and win. Simple as.

>>717233792
>The level of obsessed, rent free occupation is hila-AAAACKKK

>>717222289
Only real post. This happens to any game with a competitive community. Recently SC2 got a community driven balance team, and they neutered so many mechanics that is a completely different game now, yet all these changes meant to bring balance made the pro players switch to the older and more unbalanced predecessor as it has more skill expression. TF2 players will bitch and moan about Valve not paying enough attention, but that is one of the best things to happen to the game, balance changes more often remove fun mechanics than reign in broken ones.

>>717235387
>High crit is part of medics balance
Crits are intentionally anti-balanced as stated by valve themselves. Their inclusion was absolutely not rooted in trying to make the game more fair or balanced.

Also, yes, a medic caught alone shouldn't be able to do 195 damage with one attack, you literally nigger.

>>717235387
medic is the best class in the entire game they do no deserve to one shot people on top of that

>>717235171
Flowcharting isn't strategy. If you can't think on your feet, you deserve to lose. Strategy games have random elements for a reason.

what if instead of having a chance to deal triple damage you had a chance to do 1/3 damage

The only non-ironic argument for crits is
>it's le funny
And I'm gonna be honest with you folks, they stopped being funny like a decade ago. Do you still go LOLZER when med oneshots you with the ubersaw? I've seen that "joke" 1000 times already.

>>717221548
This
>>717223351
No, don't buff the chance, buff the crit damage / crit effect instead

>>717235514
>Strategy games have random elements for a reason.
In strategy games, the random elements are shit like the map generating differently so that there's variety in matches, not your unit randomly dying to something it should have been able to easily kill because you just got unlucky and the server arbitrarily decided that you get to eat shit and lose through no fault in judgement or execution.

>>717235482
Valve does (or did, at least) pay attention to balance issues, but they gather gameplay data instead of listening to the loudest whiners online. More devs should do that.

the only people who like random crits are soldier mains and their twink pocket medics

>>717235653
>but they gather gameplay data instead of listening to the loudest whiners online.
They nerfed the fucking caber because one of the 2 people left at valve that plays TF2 is a sniper main and he hated the fact that anyone was allowed to kill him. Random crits are transparently bad game design and you should kill yourself.

>>717221956
>Tranny complains that killing himself isn't fun
Absolute Pottery

I have 900 hours in heavy and barely any in the others. Which isn’t much because this is TF2 where everybody in this thread is probably 3,000+.

>>717235497

>Crits are intentionally anti-balanced as stated by valve themselves.

Yet medic stock has the highest critrate weaponary in the game. Why would that be?

>Literal niggers,etc

Face it brah. Battle medic is often viable 1v1 and that is (and should be) a skill based matchup, otherwise hes just another bitch healer class.

>>717235871
>Yet medic stock has the highest critrate weaponary in the game.
No, it fucking doesn't. ALL melee weapons have the exact same crit rate except for the ones where you can't crit at all.
>Battle medic is often viable 1v1 and that is (and should be) a skill based matchup,
>RANDOM CRITS
>SKILL BASED MATCHUP
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF

I flip flop so hard on random crits, because they are fun and funny, but at the same time don't really achieve their purpose of breaking stalemates since they reward you if you have dealt more damage in a short period of time. I guess it makes sense in a symmetrical game mode like 5cp, but with modes like Payload and A/D, the stalemates will last longer if the defensive team is the one getting slightly more damage since they can push the line forward and make life more hell for the attackers.
The argument that it allows for new players to kill veterans is laughable though, since it rewards the veteran more who can pump out more damage to begin with. The other side's argument of it being unhealthy for the game is laughable too, since it does serve a purpose, whether it achieves it is up to debate.

I dunno, I'll laugh when I get a crit pill on a heavy/medic pair but then seethe when I'm on the receiving end.

>tanks your crocket
>tanks your sticky trap
>tanks your phlog
nothin personnel, kid. this thing is the ultimate filter and the true answer to random crits, until you get assraped by a demoknight or have to push a double sentry nest.

>>717235653
>but they gather gameplay data
I recall reading about the development of street fighter 2 were the dev team just play tested in Arcades and nerfed any moves that were getting spammed too much or characters with absurd win streaks. People's opinions are dogshit after all, so win streaks are one of the only ways to actually tell what people are doing in game.

>>717235942

I havent played in ages. That wasnt true at least then. If it is now then meh.

Needles high RoF. It takes skill to exploit the second or so of crits you get. BE FLIPPIN BETTER

medigun should crit and bring dead teammates back to life. repairing a sentry with a crit should upgrade it to level 4 that dispenses bomb drones that search the map for enemies. invis watch crit should make enemies blind. teleporter crit should teleport all enemies back to spawn. sapper crit should ddos the server. sandvich crit makes you grow like mario. jarate crit should permanently raise the water level a little each time. buff banner crit should summon the hounds, the conch summons bees. jetpack crit sends pyro to a secret dev room where he can pres buttons to alter the map or light everybody on fire

>>717236069
>if med heals/ overheals you with this you will drop dead suddenly within 60 seconds if the med stops healing you
Would be balanced, interesting, funny, and most importantly canon.

>>717235732
>getting emotional over a joke weapon that got nerfed years ago
If you struggle against snipers in melee range as demo then I don't know what to tell you.

>>717236152
>That wasnt true at least then.
Yes it was. Medic never ever had a higher melee crit chance. Healing does count towards increasing crit chance, so medics would generally have high crit chance especially with melee, but not higher than a heavy or soldier or demo.
>Needles high RoF
True. Needle guns suck dick and always have. They need much higher ROF, to fly faster, and not arc nearly as hard as they currently do.

>>717236326
just 2 more weeks, right?

>>717221361 (OP)
They're too stupid to do probability calculations in their head.

>>717236346
I'm pointing out that you acting as if valve puts any thought or effort into TF2 is obviously nonsense given how the last balance changes they made before just giving up on updating the game altogether were total nonsense by people who obviously didn't know what they were doing.

>>717236069
Vax is the highest-IQ pick but the real medic meta is reading the map and switching to the right medi gun for the job. Never understood these one-gun medics. Like, get off kritz nigga we're pushing a nest. 60 second setup time and he's on QF. Fuck is wrong with these retards?

I usually prefer playing without random crits myself, but they're a part of TF2's identity for better or worse and should be considered the default way to play. The real problem is no one's on community servers anymore where this isn't even an issue (Uncletopia is shit)

>>717236521
Well I did say in my post that I was talking about the old TF2 team and not the one guy who's managing the game right now. Although the game is far from unplayable in its current state. Stock loadouts are all viable, underpowered weapons can still be fun to roll with, there's no game-destroying meta that renders other classes/weapons obsolete. I think Valve did a good enough job, not perfect but it's miles better than your average power-creeped hero shooter.

I mean is a team game. Critcs let even the weakest player shine for a moment, and throws tryhard sweat lords off. I have gotten way more mad at some dude corner peaking from a mile away than I have from some retard blowing us both up with a face crocket. One is tedium the other is fun.

>>717221548
Based

>>717236548
Vacc is for brain-dead retards who are following behind other brain-dead retards. The only two (2) medi-guns a medic needs are stock and Kritz. If you use anything else you are a part of the problem.

>>717235871
>Why would that be?
Because its damage AND HEALING that increase temporary crit rate which is why medic and engi always seem to get melee crits because they are always maxing out healing.

Meanwhile on 100% crit servers
>"I give everyone criticals and once every attack crits there will be no more criticals"

>>717221361 (OP)
because tf2 players are the biggest pussies on the entire internet

>>717221361 (OP)
Random crits are amazing. When i get hit by one, its a silly moment. I never felt angry or thought that it was unfair. When i get a random crit, it feels fucking awesome. Trannies are just bad at the game.

>>717221361 (OP)
Its probably because not every class benefits equally from them.

>>717236069
>does it for the entire team for free because solly is babied class

Buff the chance to randomly crit with Primary and Secondary weapons
Nerf the chance to randomly crit with Melee weapons.

>>717224369
the game was never meant to be fair and balanced

>>717221361 (OP)
I don't hate RNG, but...

>>717239159
Unfair games are not fun. I guess maybe you're some tendie faggot who thinks that mario kart isn't shit

>>717239389
the game was literally built to be chaotic nonsense, you are the weird one here.

>>717239545
No, the game being comedic does not mean it was designed to be a party game

>>717237685
100% crit servers are unironically more fair than casual mode

>>717221419
>>717221998
Really riled up the trannies with this one, good work.

>>717221361 (OP)
>Why do redditors hate random crits so much?

Because they're the brainlets that couldn't figure out how to make a crit build.

>>717221548
>>717223351
make a payload map or an attack/defend map, anything that's one-sided, and let the defenders steal a briefcase from the attackers to get full crits like when you cap in ctf.

>>717224287
I think it means: Shut your bitch ass up, tranny

>>717224717
And trannies are bitching about it

>>717221419
fpbp, finally someone gets it

>>717230485
They do threat Comp like a job and we all suffered thanks to that
>Cry to nerf weapons for them to be comp friendly and even give input about the changes
>Valve listens and delivers
>Still ban the weapons and never use them lmao
>Cry for proper comp servers
>Valve gives us matchmaking
>Comp is always dead outside some sweatlords and the big compfags still stick around to their own closed servers lol

>>717236069
>loch n load demo with turner and a sign with big natural titties on it
>instant-delete medic
keep running it all you want

>>717237685
10x crit servers are the most fun one can have in tf2

>>717240695
this but 1000 starting cash mann versus mann servers

>>717221361 (OP)
redditors are bad and so die to random crits more than they kill with them, so they see them as bad.

Random crits are needed because of the way TF2 is designed. Because of the damage fall off, wide weapon spread and large health pools a lot of matchups are just number games. A medic has no chance against any half way competent player in a 1v1. Crits are needed in order for the game to not descend into damage trading and punish players for bad positioning. Valve essentially wants players to play the game like every mistake can be the end of you because with crits that's true.

I'm not saying it's a good design choice but it's clearly what they're going for. A scout could easily kill any lone sniper or medic up close but if they get too greedy and get to close they'll get one shot by their melee weapons. Crits encourage players to always try their best even if a battle seems unwinnable and on the other hand to never underestimate a weak class just because the numbers are in your favour.

>>717241165
ok but this fucking crybaby uncle dane made a 30 minute long video whining about crits and i'm a redditor who is incapable of generating an original thought so im going to spam my bind in chat

>>717235871
Primary and Secondary weapons cap out at 12% chance to randomly crit.
Melee however caps out at 60%.
Combine that with both Damage and Healing counting towards inflating your crit rate and there you go.

>>717240508
Literally nobody asked valve to do the random stupid nerfs they did and nobody asked them for a competitive mode. Comp fags were perfectly fine with their own systems.

>>717241165
You're completely retarded. Players being able to somewhat reliable predict incoming damage is good game design and taking that away is bad game design. Variety should come from players making different choices, not dice rolls randomly killing you through no error of your own.

>>717240508
>Cry to nerf weapons for them to be comp friendly and even give input about the changes
this will literally never be true, 6s has a fucking weapon banlist already they self balance the fucking gamemode, when will you get it through your fucking thick retarded skulls that it was the general community asking for nerfs, not people that play the grassroots competitive scene where they agree on weapons to ban.

tiered items were the worst thing to happen to the game
not because they affect gameplay but because they make my inventory look like ass with their dogshit dota colour scheme instead of being proper tf2 colour pallette

>>717241424
Nigga, no one but comp people complained about the Base Jumper.

>>717241234
t. hasn't listened to the valve commentary
They are literally in the game to break stalemates.

>>717221361 (OP)
Maybe have a variety of them, like miss, graze, hit, crucial hit, critical hit and vital or final hit?

>>717242942
the base jumper was banned you fucking retard, valve changed it of their own volition.

>>717243204
>>717242942
in fact it's still banned to this day

>>717243204
>>717243265
You literally did not keep up with the competitive scene if you didn't remember the comp scene wanting to go to valve with proposed changes. Valve did them in a retarded way that not even the comp scene liked, but you cannot gaslight me into forgetting the talks leading up to MYM where many comp people (Including the comp lord B4nny) were talking about some of the changes they wanted in the game so the banlist was less necessary, especially with their end goal of wanting comp tf2 to be officially supported.

>>717241386
I literally said I don't think it's good game design you illiterate troglodyte. How did you even write a reply without being able to read? Did you have chatgpd to read and write for you?

What a time to be alive. Thanks to AI even illiterate people can be stupid on the internet.

I miss infinite flight while on fire with the base jumper. Market gardening people in nucleus like that was hilarious. Too bad no fun allowed and the game must be a serious competitive game