>kill my mom, dad, all my brothers and sisters, and my closest childhood friends for me
>p-please
How exactly do you respond to this?

>>717284743 (OP)
They're all bad people except for the childhood friend who went crazy/mind-controlled so killing him is doing him a favor.
So yeah. I'd do it even if I wouldn't get a cute magic doll wife as a reward.

>>717284743 (OP)
Thanks for the sword babe
I'll do it but with Morgotts Cursed Sword

YES MY QUEEN

>>717284898
>They're all bad people
So what? Ranni commits genocide because they're moralfags, not because they're hypocrites.

>>717284743 (OP)
Yes, my Queen

>>717284898
Blaidd never actually got fully mind controlled. Iji is a schizo. He even admits he was wrong after you tell him what happened and then he takes off his tin foil hat (glow in the darks get him).

>>717285621
He still goes crazy, regardless of the cause.

>>717284743 (OP)
Okay, but as long as I get that hat and sword

>>717284743 (OP)
AS YOU WISH MY ONE AND ONLY QUEEN ETERNAL

"Yes dear"

I will use this doll as a teddy bear when I sleep

>>717285980
I wonder if she'd get embarrassed if you make eye contact with her spirit instead of the doll.

I hate this Welsh bitch

>>717284898
Morgott does literally nothing wrong.

>>717284743 (OP)
>Anyone else?

>>717284743 (OP)
>>kill my mom, dad, all my brothers and sisters, and my closest childhood friends for me
>>p-please
>How exactly do you respond to this?
Proof Ranni haters never played the game
KWAB

>>717286984
He dismisses the Tarnished as foul subhumans despite the fact that he is also considered a subhuman by his precious Golden Order.

The perfect woman is a tiny child that rides your back and bosses you around (see Pragmata)

>>717287120
he's trying to keep his mom from being conquested and also FUCKING HATES the entire idea of the shattering and the game-of-thrones going on with the elden ring

>>717284743 (OP)
I was going to kill them all anyway, so sure
t. murder hobo

>>717287176

Does anyone have that image of the player hugging her smol version and she's screaming internally

>>717284743 (OP)
She doesn't say that

>>717287349
this one?

>>717287176
>>717287250
There really should have been some kind of Ranni cape gear-piece or talisman, or a toggleable tool, Dark Souls 2 managed it with Gower's Ring of Protection

>>717287349
Or this one?

EH? SEX on the MOON?

Hell Yeah

>>717287210
And how does any of that disprove what I said about him? He thinks that the Golden Order is the arbiter of grace and not just an iteration of it. Grace itself doesn't care which order prevails, or who becomes Elden Lord, only that there is one. But he acts like the Tarnished are still graceless despite that obviously not being true.

I agree that he is one of the more redeemable and admirable antagonists, but he's not without his flaws.

>>717286236
Radahn got that AURA

Fucking simps.
She is the reason everything went to shit.
I dknt wanna hear any kf you shaming the morality of anyone else while worshiping that sociopath.

>>717287706
grace itself is marika's doing and he acts like tarnished are graceless because you and godfrey are the only tarnished with any sight of it

>>717287452
>>717287523
No, its all gray and she has a fat ass in it

>tfw no bitchy tsundere doll chuuni witch wife

>>717284743 (OP)
not what happened, brainlet filtered

>>717285253
sellen has cute feet, this cosplayer however does not

you will never experience the pure bliss of being pure-INT spellsword on your first playthrough, figuring out ranni's quest, while you read the absolute malding of str/dex retards upset that their builds suck (they dont, they're just retarded)

>>717284743 (OP)
I can honestly tell you i had no idea what was going on during that whole quest, or any quest for that matter.

For me it's her half sister

>>717287752
No she isn’t retard. Play the dlc

https://files.catbox.moe/9m5sja.png
https://files.catbox.moe/squije.png

>>717287875

>>717287875
>>717287943
This is a 5000 year old woman btw

>>717287752
filtered, the fingers had long lost contact with the greater will, whose influence was not necessarily even good

you could at least be a contrarian and argue that the frenzy flame was good for your shitpost, you'd get more (you)s that way

>>717284898
Morgott and Radahn never did anything wrong you fucking simp.

717287752
I refuse to rehash the same arguments with the same brainlets

>>717287904
>actually on model Ranni porn
I can’t believe it

>>717288001
To my memory the DLC heavily implies the Two Fingers lost contact with the Greater Will like almost immediately after being planted

>>717287981
Zam!

>>717284743 (OP)
Do it, meet you at the place where I'm supposed to give her the ring, don't do it and walk away

>>717287898
She killed godwyn for selfish petty reasons and shows no remorse for what happened.

https://files.catbox.moe/092nsm.png

men would look at this image and pick the first option

>>717288039
Morgott was a retarded Uncle Tom who served the regime that oppressed and genocided his people. Radahn was a gay faggot

>>717284743 (OP)
How did she get away with everything

>>717287875
>>717287943
What a DORK
Mating press btw

>>717288001
Of course the only cope those vermin have for worshipping a family murder is le greater will bad.

>>717288131
Morgott was an Omen born into the highest possible lineage because his father was a rune-bear wearing human skin so there was literally no chance he wasn't going to embody the Crucible in some way

>>717288118
I’m still mad we never got to see her human form

>>717288194
it must be difficult to be on the internet yet unable to read english

>>717284898
>Godwyn
>bad

Lol. Retard.
>>717284743 (OP)
>No, retard. I'm going to kill everyone that gets in my way, so that my teacher, lover, and the most beautiful woman in the land, Sellen, will take her place by my side as the rightful queen of the land

>>717287102
What about the ranni lover directly below the op doubling down on the secondary retardation by calling them all bad people?

>>717288131
Zhe regime did nothing wrong and we see that anyone oppresing it where shitheads who tear up human skin or some shit.
Ranni killed her own half brother and didnt even try to stay out of deity buisness.

>>717288131
Radahn got MKUltra'd by a gayboy, not his fault. All that man truly loved was his horse and fighting.

>>717284743 (OP)
Accept on the condition that she fists my urethra in her little doll form.

>>717288131
Gay for his horse, which is pretty based. Also sent that rotting fish cunt bitch back home with her tail between her legs after she threw a rot tantrum.

>>717284743 (OP)
>Marika tells all her kids to kill eachother for the throne.
>Also says the only way to ascent to Godhood is to die first, hence why the banished were sent to die and return to the lands between afterward.
>Somehow Ranni is the villain for doing the same shit every other empyrean is doing.
It really is just "popular bad" huh? Bonus points.
>Miquella is the most fiendish evil villain in the game!!!!
>... because he spent the longest trying to help everyone in the lands between including his own family until inevitably faced with repeated failure and the only way to cure things is to ascend to godhood like mommy says.

>>717288262
>Ranni simp gets btfoed after just 1 reply and resorts to panic grammar fagging

>>717287785
>you and Godfrey are the only tarnished with any sight of it
That's not true though. Gideon, Fia, Goldmask and Dung Eater also have the sight of grace, and probably more. In fact it's implied in conversation with Rogier that all Tarnished have the guidance of grace when they first come to the Lands Between, but most end up losing it due to lacking the ambition or will to become Elden Lord.

>>717288326
I would 100% bully her on purpose
Having a melty in ye olde speak is cute

>>717288330
This. He even went so far as to stop the rotation of the stars to avoid his fate to Miquella

The fact is, Ranni is cute and her plan was perfect, and you're gay and will never be a woman
Done.

>>717288413
Gideon I don't remember, Fia doesn't mention grace anywhere, Goldmask doesn't say anything at all, Dung Eater I just kill him in his cell because there's zero benefit to keeping him alive

Why is Evil Witch x Swordsman such a kino pairing?

>>717288369
Oh of course ranni being responsible for the deaths of what god knows is justifiable but miquella is le bad cause the latter one has a penis.
At least dont try to be morally right you dollfuckee.

>>717288039
>Morgott
Supported the piss poor treatment of the omen. Literally shoving them into the sewers.
>and Radahn
War obsessed faggot. Nothing nice about him.

No wonder the west has fallen, you all have terrible judge of character.

>>717284743 (OP)
My wife.

>doll joints
>multiple arms
I will forever be in debt to Miyazaki for combining my niche fetishes into one character

>>717288504
They all got it they just pursued different goals

>>717288062
https://files.catbox.moe/02rg9s.png
https://files.catbox.moe/86574w.png

>poo-eaters accept that they eat poo and make jokes about it
>rannifags accept they just love their waifu and, even if she's evil or good, it doesnt really matter and they love her
>fiafags accept that they just wanna be held and accept the live-in-death ending as imperfect but acceptable
>chaosfags accept they worship a literal jewish demon who wants to return everything to the One and dont care what you moralfags think
>greaterwill fags will try to find 50 thousand ways how some being from outside the lands between taking over is actually "le-good"!

>>717288532
At least he doesnt go aroind and kill his harmless stepbrothers.
You have to actively fight him for him to kill you

>>717288525
>At least dont try to be morally right you dollfuckee.
You have actual brain worms. Just leaping to assumptions if anyone bothers to use logic to counter you. Are you a woman?

717288401
you didnt understand my post and you can't because you're a brainlet, i will now cease giving (you)s for attention

>>717288532
>Supported the piss poor treatment of the omen. Literally shoving them into the sewers.
Absolutely based. Omens should not be part of society. Morgott is literally the only good one.
>War obsessed faggot.
So you confess to being gay. Real men yearn for the battlefield.

>>717288504

I was known as a Deathbed Companion, where I come from. Afer I received the warmth and lifely vigour from a number o champions,
I lay with the remains of an exalted noble, to grant him another chance at life. To do so is the purpose of my being.
But before I could bear the noble into new life, I was awakened by the guidance of grace, and chased from my birthplace.
Pray, be kind. Despite all that, I still wish to be Deathbed Companion.
So please, let me hold you like this, as often as it takes.

>>717288676
Oh look. Rannitroon is crying in the corner throwing his random 4chan rethoric out praying that anything sticks.

>>717284743 (OP)
The devs cheated the player by making her invincible and so powerful she can kill you with a thought, but simultaneously so helpless she can't do anything without you. In reality, she is easily among the most vile and evil of the demigods, she murdered Godwyn and doesn't care, she unleashed deathblight and doesn't care, but Miyazaki so blatantly wants us to simp for her because she makes an uwu face at us.

Elden Ring's NPCs might just be among the most insufferable in gaming history.

>>717288675
>harmless stepbrothers.
Godwynfags are the strangest people on the planet.

>>717288504
Are you retarded? They're all Tarnished from the intro cinematic who are basically being brought back to life by Grace
In each other of intro pics you can see a little spark of golden Grace next to them as they are being revived where they were killed outside of the Lands Between

>>717288763
>admits ranni is no different than any other empyrean in the game
>but somehow you're still a rannitroon for pointing that out
¿??????????¿¿¿

whats the coolest int weapon that isnt rellanas twin blades

>>717288254
>8 foot tall neet schizo
sexo

>>717288770
I hate fia to.
Bitch hugs us and manipulates us into giving a dagger so she can go and kill D.
At least rodricka is nice to us.

>>717288525
Ranni killing her half brother is pretty low but miquella mind raping his half brother and then killing him and using his corpse to resurrect and mind rape his other half brother is worse.

>>717286236
Man poor Rykard, he turned out retarded.

>>717288770
i actually just love her because i too am a sociopath and feel connected to her
what you see as evil i see as challenging a doomed fate with strong ambition
its hot, can't explain it more than that

>>717288865
do you care about how good it does dmg wise or do you want pure larp?

>>717284743 (OP)
When you take what Ranni did out of context, she seems like a monster.
In context though, she's objectively correct and the only one willing to make the hard choices to free everyone from ayylmao control.
The only other option that does this is Frenzied Flame, and that's just "lol kill everyone"

>>717288504
The literal intro of the game shows the most relevant tarnished who have the guidance of grace. You can literally see grace reviving them and guiding them in the artwork.
>Horah Loux, chieftain of the badlands
>The ever brilliant Goldmask
>Fia, the deathbed companion
>The loathsome Dung Eater
>Sir Gideon Ofnir, the all knowing
All of these tarnished are either people you have to kill who also want to become Elden Lord, or literally provide their own endings to the game.

>>717288861
>Demigods are soooo le evil... Anyway ranni best girl
Spot the hypocricy.

>>717288907
Ranni is the reason the world went to shit in the first place.
She killed a lot morenwith her actions then miquella ever did.
She knows it and shows no remorse

>two fingers will literally mind control your half brother to murder you if you don’t stay in line
>Ranni is somehow bad for usurping this
How?

>>717288626
The greater will is fake and gay, simple as.

She genuinely loves (You) even if she's tsun about it.

>>717288972
as long as it isnt complete ass

>>717289113
Goldwyn is like one of the only good demigods and she murdered him

>>717289225
she only loves you for your semen

>>717288865
magic/cold infused milady with winged sword stance ash
style a good damage if you put shard of alex and rellana's cameo


but since you said no to rellana's there is this sword which is fucking sick design and aesthetic wise for a spellsword, unfortunately its dmg scaling is one of the worst for a thrusting sword

i also assume you've written off darkmoon gs which is what i used my first playthrough

>ywn experience Elden Ring and Ranni’s quest line for the first time ever again
Why live bros

>>717288917
He is just that dude that has pet snakes.

>>717288595
>>717289030
>>717288795
>>717288704
THIS WAS ABOUT WHETHER THEY LOST IT OR STILL HAVE IT NOT WHETHER THEY EVER HAD IT AT ALLLLLL

>>717289231
i'd do what this anon said:
>>717289271

and if you want another option the moveset on this is flashy, has decent but not top-tier dmg scaling and of course katana's base moveset is strong

>>717289416
But they all still have it. That's the point.

I like Ranni because she was nice and told me to run some errands and where those errands were supposed to be done instead of calling me maidenless and going "hehehe...". You bet your ass I'll kill for her in a world where everyone else is such a cunt.

>>717287176
True

>>717289248
Wrong, but I'm sure that's a bonus.

>>717289231
colding infusing that twinblade you have there is unironically a good weapon for int/fth since it retains its native fth scaling even with cold infusion, it also has a lot of good ash choices to do it with

i know because i wanted something other than rellana's blade to swap to and went with that

Dunno, I prefer Dark Souls
https://youtu.be/L6JH0EfTIKw?si=R9q5vFtSW5uMrExS

>>717289465
None of them are stated to, they were resurrected by Marika as part of the Tarnished plot and may have had it for some time but it's not stated whether they can still see it or how long it's been since they lost it if they did, it's what keeps Tarnished on the whole Elden Lord track

>>717288090
> the DLC
you give a shit about that? lmao

>oh a dogged fellow aren’t we…? Or is it merely thy habit, to talk to dolls?

>>717289248
Actually she loves me because Carian Women are obsessed with Strength/Faith chads like myself

>>717289416
The whole point is they died (or were doing other shit like Fia) in the place the Tarnished were originally banished to when they were stripped of Grace
Then Grace returns to them which draws them back to the Lands Between

I still don't know what ranni actually looks like

Goldmask is the true protagonist of Elden Ring. His ending is by far the best outcome the Lands Between could hope for.

>>717289525
There's no way Ranni keeps her doll body as is after becoming the new Goddess. Fanart Ranni is retroactively canon due to her being able to mold her body as she wishes to suit your tastes as your eternal consort.

>>717289682
After the DLC he’s the most retarded of anyone

>>717289525
me but with my three fingers burnt body

>>717289679
Rennala with red hair is a good guess

>>717289707
>suit my tastes
Got it

Everyone who hates Ranni has gay Godwyn porn on their computer (also are possibly furry)

>>717289761
>all item and spell descriptions referring to goldmask paint him as a bit of a crank
>get to DLC and start learning about the two fingers and greater will some more
>he turns out to be the literal biggest crank in the universe

>>717289840
we can go even smaller

>>717289679
>>717288880

>>717289707
She would become too pregnant to move

impregnating ascended ranni 14 times to create a new god pantheon

>getting her addicted to giving birth
Dangerous

what did she hope to actually accomplish though?

>>717289682
shit tier youtuber opinion by someone who didnt actually play the game

>>717290287
i want my dad to die and his new bitch wife too

>>717286984
Morgott is a simp for a religion that would have killed him if not for his mother. Retard is like a white woman defending muslims

>>717290382
>I
Wait a minute...

>>717290382
Right away dear

>>717288865
>Glinstone Kris
Looks beautiful and hits like a truck
>Magic/Cold Milady
Hits like a truck and has a very good moveset, also sinergy with Rellana's cameo and Wing Stance
>Carian Thrusting Shield
Completely busted when paired with Scholar's Shield
>Star Lined Sword
Good katana but more for PvP
>Yamat...Moonveil
It's Moonveil
>DMGSW
It's MGSW but cooler
>Carian Sorcery Sword
Dogshit scaling all around but cool as shit and doubles as a Sorcery Catalist
>Alabaster Lord's GS
Completely busted R2s, destroys posture
>Death Ritual spear
Looks sick and is a very good INT weapon in general, the ash of war is overkill against anything dragon sized and also really good in PvP for sniping
>Magic/Cold Banished Knight's GS
Overall super versatile and with the better Mirrah's moveset

>>717288626
>fracturefags: "Not my problem"

>>717284743 (OP)
nope. my wife melina will be saved at any cost

>>717290495
Consider Helphens Steeple too

>>717289525
Source?

>>717290610
based chaoschad

>>717288770
It's entirely possible she's matured and changed since that event, but I don't recall her saying much if anything on it; kind of bad writing really.

>>717290610

>>717289978
>small girl
>big hat
Name a better combo

>>717290918
that is not a hat, that is mushroom cap, she is a fungus

>>717284743 (OP)
One day you retards will finally understand that Ranni was a part of Marika (her ambition) and this was all part of Marika's plan. Rennala was merely a foster parent. Godwyn was a part of Marika too (her devotion, hence why he just let the 'murder' happen and why they deliberately buried him under the Erd tree and not in a heroes grave or a mausoleum) Marika's plan was always to destroy the order after she became the bearer of the Elden Ring. The DLC lays it out for you with Miquella dissecting himself too

>>717290918
I can't, it's based

>>717290625
Helphen's ok but it's just frosty Onyx Blade at the end of the day, and with the worse GS moveset, it does its job but it's nothing particularly special compared to the other INT GS.

>>717288880
imagine being in her tower and she lifts you up to coddle you

>>717284898
>They're all bad people except for the childhood friend
Like you care. You're a muderhobo. You're there solely to murder anything that can put up a fight, and likely those that can't too. Don't pretend like there's some quasi justification for your slaughter. You just like the death, and the killing, it's what you are.

>>717291157
Didnt they buff the weapon buff a while back?

>>717291114

>>717291286
>doll form
>you lift her up to snuggle her silly
>ascend
>she picks you up to snuggle you silly

>>717287751
looking like hes ready to destroy the toilet of a wendy's after a big combo meal yea.

>>717287785
I think its more that he's projecting his self loathing at being unworthy onto the player and everyone else as a coping mechanism.

>>717291415
>best girls club

Post-ending Ranni should come to terms with herself as she once was and merge the Snow Witch form she idolized with her original form.

>>717287898
The DLC just proves she murdered Godwyn for no reason since Miquella could shed his flesh and great rune without doing any murder rituals.

>>717291401
Yeah, they did, it does good damage now but it's nothing particularly noteworthy compared to other INT GS

>>717291980
Her body is literally rotting on top of her Divine Tower bro

>>717291980
>Red and blue
Just don't make it look like that toothpaste shit from Fire Emblem Engage

>>717292119
Seems like it's a no-takesies-backsies situation when you give up your flesh too, between Miquella, Ranni and Nightreign's Revenant

>>717292017
Reason #8720 for the dlc being a complete shitshow and I say this as an anti-Ranni fag

>>717287881
Meli-Meli a cute-cute

>>717292119
So? She needed to discard her old body for practical reasons, though she also detested it due to her angsty phase and hating Empyrians. But she still loves her mother, and her old body definitely took after her.
Now that she's won she can just be herself, even the parts of her she rejected before.

>>717290572
FractureGODS are too busy breeding their goddess of fertility to care.

>>717292017
Ranni's desire for the Elden Ring is to abolish the world's current sense of order and she doesn't need true godhood to do that, Miquella wanted godhood proper

This is assuming too that Ranni even knows all the steps to godhood and fulfilling her end of that bargain as an Empyrean, especially when Malenia is elevating to godhood as an embodiment of Scarlet Rot and only "giving up her flesh" in the sense of it rotting away without her really having any control over it. Her implied reason for abandoning her flesh is to get the fuck away from the Two Fingers and essentially make herself untouchable to them

>>717292139
But we love the divine dwagon here?

>>717292608
>This is assuming too that Ranni even knows all the steps to godhood
After the DLC, the lore around pretty much every significant character involves them being retarded in some form to explain why they are all doing shit that makes no sense.

>>717288057
if you really loved her you'd fight for her even now. You gave up protecting her! Fake love!

>>717292793
>why isn't every character omniscient
This will never be a good criticism.

>>717292825
>Sorry, the person you are calling is on the moon with his wife and cannot be reached. Please hang up the phone and don't try again/

>>717288779
Godwyn sure as hell was brutal befriending his foe and stopping a war with that

>>717292871
Characters will have stated motivations, reveal certain pieces of knowledge, and then just do entirely contrary things for no stated reason.

>Miquella knows Radahn is still alive, yet cocoons himself in the Haligtree anyways.
>Ranni is just smart enough to know she CAN shed her flesh and her great rune, but too stupid to know she can just kind of do it whenever she wants and constructs an elaborate black magic murder ritual that unleashes death blight on the world as a whoopsie doopsie instead.
>Malenia knows Miquella is in the Land of Shadow and going to marry Radahn, but she just hangs out in the Haligtree for no reason, neither she nor anybody else is busy trying to kill Radahn or Mohg, they're just waiting around to attack the random tarnished that is the key to Miquella's plan instead of any of his loyal followers.

Elden Ring has some of the worst lore in any game I've ever played. Ambiguity is used to pave over any actual thought or coherence, the devs put zero work into making any of it make sense.

>>717293321
miquella has more than one plan brewing, ranni didn't do it in pursuit of godhood and didn't do it in an obverse shadow dimension where some things work differently, malenia is waiting for miquella to come back, may or may not have been charmed, and most likely isn't fully informed on miquella's plans

"miquella withheld information" and "miquella charmed pretty much everyone around him" are both equally likely and probably simultaneous answers to anything surrounding him because whoops it's another griffith reference and you'll never guess what griffith liked doing through all of berserk

characters withholding information or using manipulative powers is not bad writing, characters not knowing everything is not bad writing, you're just tattling on yourself

>>717292927
I love this figure, its so nice to see ranni's scheming face on my desk while i work

>>717284743 (OP)
>Godfrey Icon
>Shard of Alexander
>Blue Dew
>Whatever free choice
>Ranni's Blue Razz Freezy Pop
>Basically free FP laser blasts that hit like a truck at decent range
It really is goat

>>717293790
Did you get the GK? One day I'll paint her...

>>717286856
Would

>>717287875
NO MA'AM. I DID NOT SEE YOU PLAYING WITH YOUR DOLLS.

>>717293746
>ranni didn't do it in pursuit of godhood and didn't do it in an obverse shadow dimension where some things work differently
This is another thing that good writing doesn't do. It doesn't arbitrarily create pocket dimensions that are simultaneously physical places where historical events took place while somehow being the afterlife and also just a zone where the rules of the world are entirely different in ways that are never fleshed out.

Miyazaki's DLCs always involve some sort of dream or time travel or whatever that allows him to play fast and loose with any sort of continuity, yet somehow, in the game that was based on lore provided by an actual fantasy author, he just doesn't bother to give us any explanation for anything. It's somehow the laziest DLC he's made for the world that should demand the most rigor.

It's amazing that he's gotten away with peddling this pathetic shit for so long.

>>717294541
>Inane Seething
Done.

>>717290918
Big witch hats are wholehose. Small witch hat are lewd

>>717294692
I accept your concession.

>>717294695
wholesome*

>>717294541
>i never looked at the map and wondered why the lands between was a giant fucking crescent where the erdtree is logically in its middle and drawn on the map as such, in a place occupied by water
>i never wondered what the fuck was with those sporadic references to "the erdtree's sins"
laom

>>717294864
Yeah, I was aware of this theory before the DLC landed. I was ready for them to reveal it. Instead, we got a whole lot of nothing.

You just wrote a fanfiction in your head and are acting condescending because I don't believe it when the game did nothing whatsoever to support it. You're a brain rape victim.

>>717295068
>facts I don't like is fan fiction
Done.

ranni is legitimately a virgin btw

>>717295068
lil homie called it a contradiction when two different empyreans shed their flesh for two completely different reasons, in two completely different places, and in completely different ways

Ranni is my wife and she owes me sex.

>>717295161
Please point me to any in game reference to the Land of Shadow being in the center of the Lands Between.

>>717295190
Yes, it completely undermines Ranni's dark magic ritual that Miquella can achieve exactly the same result on a whim. The DLC is trash. You're a bug person who likes it because of the brand.

>>717284743 (OP)
at once my queen!

>>717294816
too late, to the indian mines with you.

>>717295610
>Yes, it completely undermines Ranni's dark magic ritual that Miquella can achieve exactly the same result
Ranni didn't void herself of her emotions or go completely bodiless dough

>>717286236
I really wish someone would mod Ranni to be her original form. Tall redhead, I would slaughter the whole golden order for her.

>>717284743 (OP)
whatever you say blue lady.
don't know how i even got here.

>>717295610
>Please point me to any in game reference to the Land of Shadow being in the center of the Lands Between.

>>717294541
>It's amazing that he's gotten away with peddling this pathetic shit for so long.
It isn't. The games got popular (for wrong reasons) and the fanbase is now filled with autists and bootlickers responding to every bit of criticism with
>lol skill issue
>lol filtered
And sadly this isn't just fags on/v/. That's what you get for fostering the mentality of being a hardcore gamer because you managed to beat the boss created for braindead streamers and their audience and lore where the devs can put a shitty tidbit about the god-king liking apple pies and then people will just link it to the biblical garden of eden, notice the apple tree in another bosses dungeon, create a link between them and coom over it. Fortunately the base game was good but I'm afraid that ER's success will just lead them to COD-ifying their product from now on.

>>717296718
>Fortunately the base game was good but I'm afraid that ER's success will just lead them to COD-ifying their product from now on.
No way anon, that would never happen, FROM would never release nonstop new games for one of their successful IPs like they did for King's Field, Armored Core, Tenchu or...

>>717284743 (OP)
>Lets make the world worse
Who is he supposed to appeal to ?

>>717296989
morons
the game warns you every single second talking about him about how violently insane the dung eater is and fails to even sell you the whole "everyone is omens forever" idea as having a twisted logic to it

>>717296965
>FROM would never release nonstop new games for one of their successful IPs
It's just Dark Souls 4 with all of the same themes, even the same history of dragons being wiped out and turning to stone, death being stopped, and endless stagnation. It even has exactly the same version of Patches as the previous Souls games.

At least Armored Core actually has its own world worth caring about with themes that aren't just a rip-off of From's own work from ten years ago.

>>717297238
patches is good though
radahn's battle turns into the single funniest thing from has ever done

>>717296965
They were willing to experiment with Sekiro or even Bloodborne. Now they can just make coop/multiplayer/Elden Souls copypastes and people will slurp it up.

>>717297238
>It's just Dark Souls 4 with all of the same theme
And a lot of Souls "lore" is just taken straight from King's Field and Shadow Tower, nevermind the AC cameos or again, characters taken straight out of it like Patches, who's originally an AC character.
>At least Armored Core actually has its own world worth caring about
AC has literally been recycling the same exact story with minor alterations ever since AC1 and nobody sane complained about that.
You're no longer a clown, you're a whole circus.

Melina will always be best girl.

>>717297681
Melina got mogged by a doll, worst level up girl in the series

>>717297832
The doll is nothing.

>>717297617
Sekiro is a dogshit game that shows the exact opposite since it was originally supposed to be a Tenchu successor and got Souls-fied to death to the point Elden Ring has more functional stealth mechanics, BB is the Shadow Tower to Soul's KF, it was never something different, just a betatest for a new direction for their main series.
You retarded, underage Souls secondaries should shut the fuck up and remove yourselves from here, it's evident none of you know anything about FROM nor do you care about them, you're just here to whine that you have no longer your non existent secret club.

>>717297681
LOVE MELI

>>717284743 (OP)
except you don’t kill her mom and she never asks you to.

>>717284743 (OP)
I have a better idea. How about I destroy your entire fucking world?

>>717298062
She doesn't ask you to kill any of them

>>717286984
He literally hires people to genocide his race. How else do you think an Omen Killer got into Leyndell near the sewers?
He's a giant self-hating prick. There's an honorable core, but it's so covered in shittiness that you really don't want to forgive him for the rest of that.

>>717292017
Miquella shedding his bodily form and Ranni killing her body are different things.

>>717297627
>>717297869
what are your top 2 from games?

>>717298037
I'll never forgive Miyahacki for leaving Melina out of the DLC. I went through so much effort to save her and not get the chaos ending. Would have appreciated anything.

>>717288272
She was literally best girl.
>but she made wizard balls!!!
Literally everyone at Raya Lucaria is a dickhead. They deserved it.

>>717287881
Melina is the epitome of sex.

>>717289603
>None of them are stated to
Yes they are though. Rewatch the opening cinematic pls

>>717299465
Not what's being talked about, literally every Tarnished was reanimated by grace, whether the mentioned characters can still see sites of grace or are being guided by grace isn't talked about but it's implied pretty much just you and Godfrey are the only Tarnished left that see it.

>>717296989
>THE HORRENDOUS POO MUNCHER
>THE VILE BROTHER-FUCKER
at least its better than the cut miquella ending

Reminder Ranni's ending is the only optional one in Souls history that more people got than the default ending. Despite Age of Stars requiring some esoteric bullshit like talking to Miniature Ranni a bunch of times, people wanted their blue wife that much.

>>717296989
Edge,
Lord ahead

>>717299720
It's one of the easiest quests to follow, not to mention day one guides already written about it.

So basically the next souls game will also have you marry a cute wife because thats simply what we want
>Sit on the throne of whatever
>cute girl snuggles up to you
Ill take 10

>>717299720
Ranni's pretty easy to find and follow if you're playing the game in comb-through fashion. You don't even have to get to the Altus Plateau to complete her whole questline. It's the optional dialogue up in Ranni's Rise's site of grace, that you have no reason to ever go back to ever again after reporting back to her with the Fingerslayer Blade, that's pretty missable and even then all it does is change Ranni's reference to you in the ending to "dearest consort."

>>717299067
>visit 3 fingers
>torch my own skin, risk falling to frenzy
>take miquella's needle after:
>doing all of millicent's questline
>taking the needle to malenia's (opttional super boss room) flower corpse
>taking that needle to the giga-hidden plasy bossroom in a very-missable drop down at the near exact end of the game
>beat said giant dragon
>use needle
>quell the frenzy
>beat the game
>she's still pissed at me that i saved her because muh frenzy, which i quelled through a 200iq maneuver
>no special cutscene, dialogue, interaction, or anything
>dlc she doesnt exist
fucking gay, still kinda upset about that and the radahn ass-pull and having to fight him with broken hitboxes because i knew they'd nerf him too hard like they did his zombie form on release

>>717296989
Literal shitheads. I imagined a player character that was a complete piece of crap when going for his ending.

>>717299067
>>717299921
Melina doesn't want to be saved. She wants to give her life purpose by burning the Erdtree. It's what she was born for. Do not deny her her moment of glory.

>>717288865
Moonlight Greatsword because even a Twink can use it and it does good poise damage.
Also basically anything with Cold Infusion. The Milady is super fun for spellblades, and before it the Rapier/Estoc is solid.
Astel's Wing is pretty fun too and might have the best R2 in the game.

>>717299608
Dung Eaters chest medallion is a representation of the guidance of grace that he sees. Same with Goldmask's mask. All these characters are very ambitious, and have the power to change the world order and become Elden Lord in different ways. That's why they are all either obstacles you are forced to kill, or have their own endings to the game in which they become Elden Lord in one way or another. If they didn't have the guidance of grace, none of that would be possible and they would just be like the other Tarnished side characters who don't really care about being Elden Lord.

>>717296989
>oh tarnished there's a distrbance in the spirits near by, be careful
>alright hey its poo eater, glad you showed up, what are you up t....
>ILL FUCKIN RAPE YOU INNIT?! THE POX! THE POX! IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE ROUNDTABLE I'D RAPE YOU NOW RAPE RAPE RAPE AHHHHHHHHHHHHH POOPOO EAT UH OH STINKYYYYYY!!!!
its way too over the top, we already have the chaos ending for the edgelords and it even gives you some benefits like the flamestone heal thing

ive 100% the game 3 times and i have always insta-killed this faggot the second i meet him, i assume he has a somewhat lengthy quest chain because of all the pox items i find later but its just too cringe

Did we ever get an answer as to why Melina and Ranni have mirrored closed eyes?

>>717300047
Her moment of glory should be birthing my children, like 20 of them

>>717300047
you're right i shouldn't have saved her, i should've listened to ranni who knows "fate" is a gay and retarded 2 fingers psyop

>>717296661
>No response
The RAT FLED

>>717300047
She needs help finding a new purpose, because suicide is a really retarded purpose. Her new purpose will be vearing my children.

>>717300172
I think he's actually a very interesting character. It shows that a completely irredeemable psychopath can still be chosen by Grace to become Elden Lord.

His questline also sheds a lot of light on the Crucible, the Omen curse etc.

>>717300183
melina is the aspect of marika's former form, the gloam eye'd queen and she impared aspects of herself to her kin, including ranni

yes i have evidence to defend this
no i wont respond to you about my theory
no i dont care about your lore opinion or how im wrong etc. etc. etc.

>>717300183
It was probably supposed to be a plot point but Melina is such a nothing character she might as well have been written out of the story

>>717300383
what info does it give that the rest of the game doesnt? feel like i got the main points without it but obviously have never done it

>>717289761
>>717290301
Goldmask is right about everything and the DLC doesn't contradict him.
He isn't putting faith in the Fingers or the Greater Will. His quest is openly all about INTfagging. He's not a religious fundamentalist.

>>717300429
i hear this sentiment a lot and i think the problem was most people dont bother to rest at every grace, she has quite a lot to say outside of the churches as well and if you only hit the grace and dont rest you miss quite a lot

i felt the same way on my first playthrough though, essentially "why would i care about her, i havent seen her in 50 hours?" but on subsequent playthroughs i think shes actually done pretty well, especially if you rest at all the graces while descending to the 3 fingers

>>717300062
The way Dung Eater's chest armor words it, he probably lost sight of grace a long time ago. Goldmask's meanwhile doesn't word it as grace at all, but as "brilliant inspiration." It's definitely a clue-in that the character has an ending available to them but it's also not a sure thing since Fia and others don't reference that sun theming or the blurb about "where that guidance will take them."

You can have ambition as a Tarnished, whether you're seeing grace or not doesn't really have any bearing on that. It's more seemingly whether you've become disillusioned with the actual Elden Lord throne, or disillusioned with Marika, probably moreso the former because you as a player can take basically any approach you want in regards to Marika including spurning her outright.

The mending rune is more of a key-item slot for whether you like their idea of what the Golden Order or the world's concept of order should be than it is an actual physical thing, hence each mending rune is literally and specifically for each faction that has an available ending.

>>717300627
anon, order fundamentalism is the intfags.....

>>717300656
She talks a lot for flavor but her personality is still really basic and she's mainly adding flavor to the world, not herself. Her feeling like a tool is only reinforced by her required death to proceed on anything but Frenzied Flame

>>717300627
>His quest is openly all about INTfagging. He's not a religious fundamentalist.
it literally is and the creator of int/fth golden order fundamentalist scholarship is radagon himself whom the character is absolutely opposed to in every single playthrough regardless of their choice of ending

>>717300720
Fundamentalism in Elden Ring is an expy for shit like Aquinas or Augustine, Radagon and his posse are equivalent to them.
Goldmask vaguely orbits that aesthetic but doesn't actually worship the Fingers or the Greater Will at all. His system is independent, he's closer to the Turtle Pope. They got their own unique view of how the cosmology works.

>>717300921
Goldmask is opposed to Radagon.

>>717300469
Dung Eater isn't just a twisted psychopath for the sake of it, his ambition is to destroy the power of the Erdtree and make everyone into an Omen, essentially returning the world into it's former state where there wasn't a centralised power structure like the Erdtree and the power of Grace was primal and innate, where life was extremely overgrown and unstructured (this primordial state is referred to as the Crucible).

That's why the omen have twisted horns all over them, grace causes them to grow like cancer, because they are a relic of the ancient Crucible era where life was unrefined and fierce.

But also a big reason for Dung Eaters existence in the story is to show how the guidance of grace completely lacks any morality whatsoever. All it cares about is that SOMEONE powerful enough becomes Elden Lord, no matter if they're nice or evil.

>>717300862
i dont even disagree about her character being somewhat basic but i think that's part of her, she's barely aware of who or what she is and once she finds out latches to it completely and totally like a child
regardless its a matter of taste if you enjoyed the way it was done, i did but can see why others dont

>>717300862
>Melina appears human, but is more like a doll
>Ranni appears to be a doll, but is more human
Really makes you think

>>717301047
Goldmask is opposed to the entire Golden Order because he's too attached to his own specific place of learning to just fuck off to Liurnia like any other INT pumper in the setting. Problem for Goldmask is he also kept getting chased out of his place of learning for being a contrarian and a mouthbreather

>>717290879
The fight with her against all her sisters was actual cancer.
Keeping her alive when she loved to jump in the middle of 5 of them and get stunlocked to death was miserable.

>>717301107
George get off /v/ and go finish the books before you croak you fat fuck

>>717301107
>he doesn't know

>>717301248
>dont understand melina?
>start doing THIS

>>717294541
What if
writing
for a fantasy setting
uses logic
that does
not
work
in the real world

>>717295610
>Please point me to any in game reference to the Land of Shadow being in the center of the Lands Between.
The lands of shadow were
veiled
by a god

>>717301087
>Dung Eater isn't just a twisted psychopath for the sake of it, his ambition is to destroy the power of the Erdtree and make everyone into an Omen, essentially returning the world into it's former state where there wasn't a centralised power structure like the Erdtree and the power of Grace was primal and innate, where life was extremely overgrown and unstructured (this primordial state is referred to as the Crucible).
>
>That's why the omen have twisted horns all over them, grace causes them to grow like cancer, because they are a relic of the ancient Crucible era where life was unrefined and fierce.
is this not just returning to the horncent civilization? the ones who got assfucked my marika and are just completely analblasted about it? doesnt sound desirable, sounds like poopoo eater is delusional and doesnt understand the history of the lands between

>>717301445
i sincerely doubt dung eater is thinking as hard as returning the world to its primal state, his armor descs say he's larping really hard as an omen and he's pissed he isn't one

>>717284743 (OP)
her mom is very much alive

>>717299720
Talking to the doll 3 times is odd, but unlike other times you've talked to Melina at the grace sites, it stays up after the first '...', which indicates to the player that they should do it again.

>>717301238
i really want him to die of a heart attack ala tony soprano's actor and leave everything unfinished

gotfags have made both the literature and film worlds suffer for years and i want them to suffer 10x over in return

>>717300656
The only real way to get personality out of her is to do the Frenzied Flame quest at least all the way to the door.
Otherwise the best you get is her telling you to be nice to Boc.

>>717287881
do we know that Radagon is Melina's father?

>>717292559
thats certainly one way to describe her

>>717284743 (OP)
>Game outright implies that Ranni is responsible for everything that went wrong
>You can't side with Gurranq/Maliketh and kill her, instead the game outright forces you on one particular path, taking away any and all agency from the player as a result
>The potion that Seluvis gives you quite literally does nothing except make her angry at you, and you can just use a Celestial Dew to make her like you again
>Her ending is the clear and obvious canonical ending, and overall best outcome
It's insane how much of a Mary Sue she is, and how both the game and the story goes out of its way to not only protect her, but justify everything she does as well.

>>717301445
The Dung Eater is probably doing all of this half on accident.
He doesn't seem to really understand what the Omen are or anything about the Crucible.
He just knows that the world hates them and he likes being hated and he wants to be one of them because of that.
But by killing and eating the souls of thousands of people, he's basically made his own body into a reborn twisted Crucible. And that is why his Rune has horns on it.

The Godskins do something kinda the same. The Godskin armor talks about how they basically 'summon' the Crucible around themselves by wearing all those skins on them. And that is why the Nobles have tails or the Apostles can stretch like snakes.
I think its just a constant in the setting that if you smush a bunch of bodies and souls together you get something godlike out of it. Explains more of what the Hornsent were doing too. Maybe Rykard as well.

>>717300667
But why would the guidance of grace ever touch or resurrect Dung Eater if it wasn't for him to become Elden Lord? We know from the opening that when he was resurrected he was already an extremely evil and insane psychopath, and yet grace resurrected him anyway? It's not like he became disillusioned with the throne of Elden Lord AFTER he was resurrected, right? Isn't he also sitting on the Elden Throne in his ending?

I also think the armour description is worded in the past tense because Dung Eater has to be dead in order for you to have the armour. And we know that grace will cast aside and no longer resurrect someone once it becomes apparent that another candidate is stronger.

>>717301827
Trying to inter Godwyn into the Erdtree's roots is where it went wrong.

>>717301360
Good writers can construct fantasy logic that is distinct from retarded garbage where the devs very luckily don't have to worry about continuity errors ever.

>>717301827
its okay because she's cute

>>717301827
>Game outright implies that Ranni is responsible for everything that went wrong
it doesnt, stopped reading whatever headcanon you've concocted there
you wanna blame someone blame the 2 fingers for LARPing that they were listening to the world's version of God but in reality were as deaf and blind as anyone else

>>717301937
We may as well ask why anybody but your character and Godfrey were revived by grace if none of them were fated to become Elden Lord, or why your character took so long to be revived as a Tarnished and make it over to the Lands Between that you're at the absolute ass end of the war-in-heaven and nobody at the Roundtable Hold has seen a newcomer in a long time.

>>717301580
>gotfags have made both the literature and film worlds suffer for years
its always some seething faggot that only knows of fatman as the "subverter" that says this

>>717301951
Everyone who dies is interred in the Erdtree's roots, retard. Ranni pulling a surprised Pikachu face when the ubiquitous method of disposing of corpses results in unstoppable death cancer is still on Ranni.

>>717302052
>>it doesnt
>What is the Night of Black Knives
Fuck off, retard.

>>717301827
Marika was going to nuke everything regardless
Ranni just gave her the opportunity
death aids is mostly on Ranni, though, I'll give you that

>>717301994
>>717301827
my beautiful wife just blessed my nightreign run with the moonlight gs (wylder)

>>717284743 (OP)
i nuke the world instead

>>717301937
>But why would the guidance of grace ever touch or resurrect Dung Eater if it wasn't for him to become Elden Lord?
my bet is because grace isn't actually all that smart, is part of a decayed/broken system of soul power transfer and, while it has the ability to revive those in times of dire needs, like any system left in disrepair for aeons it doesnt remain perfect

>>717302052
No, I will blame Ranni for the murder she confessed to that is the very first thing you learn about in the intro cinematic of the game.

>>717302110
correct, tolkien was right about all the george's of the world, they dont understand anything and pretend to have keen insight
shams, frauds, etc. that delude others for the sake of their own self

>>717302230
Ranni confessed to he plot. She never says she wanted to kill Godwyn.

>>717284743 (OP)
I didn't let her get that far
>oh you have torrent take care of him bye
>oh we meet again... by the way serve me because I reinvented the concept of dyin-WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME AHHHHH *teleports away*

>>717302137
Killing Godwyn is like 7/10 bad. She's an absolute bitch for it, but in the scale of evil things that are done in the setting, she's not worse than most of the cast, including the player.
Marika was already planning on shattering the system, that was out of Ranni's control.
All the other Demigods turning into assholes or monsters was out of Ranni's control.
Godwyn turning into a massive pile of cancer was out of Ranni's control.

>>717302110
Nah, he's got a point. Game of Thrones popularized the concept of unexpectedly killing off fan favorite characters for no particular reason. Writers believed that doing so meant that their story was well written as a result.

>>717302137
think anon, why did the night happen? what were the motivations? go on i really want you to turn the ol' wheel up there on this one
>ranni did it because she's just EVILLLLLLL EEEEEVILLLLLL
kek

>>717301827
For how much Elden Ring seems to be trying to ape a more straightforwardly heroic vibe compared to previous games, the game goes out of its way to make the forces you swear your allegiance to be pure evil for really no clear reason.

I think Miyazaki is just retarded and has no moral vision beyond finding Ranni hot and thus wanting to simp for her.

>>717301937
Grace really isn't that picky.
We see losers that are Tarnished but got revived for one reason or another.
But the Dung Eater has extremely high potential and being able to gestate a Mending Rune is something very rare and does show that he could have become Lord if he wasn't a psychotic retard.

>>717302313
>Marika was already planning on shattering the system, that was out of Ranni's control.
They're still hellbent on believing that Godwyn dying was the sole reason why Marika had her woman moment just to pretend that Ranni was the cause of everything

>>717302313
>she's not worse than most of the cast, including the player.
She is the single most evil demigod in the game. Only Marika is worse than she is.

>>717302230
yeah she did it
>therefore everything bad that happened is her fault!
nope
see: >>717302313

>>717302124
Not everyone! "Erdtree burial" is given as an honorary funeral rite for heroes and powerful figures, usually mentioned in the ashes for named spirits. Erdtree interment is apparently something saved for a select few while everybody else gets stuffed into jars or placed down in catacombs. The Erdtree itself governs a reincarnatory cycle that's stated to be unnatural in the larger scheme of things, Deathbirds and other death-aligned nasties would previously handle all that and there's the whole thing going on with ancestral spirits and followers too.
>Ranni pulling a surprised Pikachu face when the ubiquitous method of disposing of corpses results in unstoppable death cancer is still on Ranni.
Ranni has basically nothing to say about Godwyn.

>>717302294
>she only confessed to a conspiracy to commit murder, she didn't AKSHUALLY confess to murder
I'm going to punch Miyazaki in the face for spawning retards like you.

>>717287468
This is true because the other two true gods combined a man and woman like this
>marika and radagon
>miquella and radahn

>>717301827
>>Game outright implies that Ranni is responsible for everything that went wrong
The game never implies this, it's just just your schizo headcanon because you've been seething at Ranni for three years and counting

>>717301936
>>717301936
>if you smush a bunch of bodies and souls together you get something godlike out of it.
Explains the gargoyles and jars, too

>Go out of my way to get every single fragment of the Elden Ring before completing the game, thinking it would matter
>It doesn't
>There's literally two unique endings, with the rest of them being Mass Effect 3 different colored choices

>>717302217
I don't think it's that it's "imperfect" or faulty, it's more that it just doesn't care about morality. It just cares about there being an Elden Lord and some sort of power structure, no matter what form it takes. It basically just selects a bunch of candidates it deems powerful/intelligent/willful or whatever enough to be a potential Elden Lord and just lets them get on with it. As soon as it becomes apparent that one of those candidates can't or won't do it, the guidance of grace leaves them.

>>717302294
not explicitly, but if we presume that the ritual required another demigod, then Godwyn was her only real option
Morgott or Mohg probably would have worked as well, but it's quite likely she didn't even know they existed at the time

>>717302489
Malenia literally killed 1/4th of the world.
Rykard is literally Satan.
Morgott throws his own people into the sewers.
Radahn was a warmonger.

>>717302505
>everybody else gets stuffed into jars or placed down in catacombs
The catacombs are connected to the Erdtree roots.

>Ranni has basically nothing to say about Godwyn.
She confesses to the plot that resulted in his murder. She glitched the universe in such a way that his burial in the Erdtree roots, which anyone with an IQ above 80 could anticipate, would unleash death cancer on the world. Unless Ranni's minions carried Godwyn to the Erdtree and buried him, then nobody who was involved in the traditional burial of The Lands Between knew about the murder glitch Ranni pulled because she was mad at god. Death blight is 100% on her.

>>717302653
in Shadow of the Erdtree when Miquella's Rune breaks I felt it was Myazaki giving a deliberate Fuck You to those that asked for a new Ending like in Scholar of the First Sin

I know that Marika is Radagon and Radagon is Marika
My question is: But why

>>717302582
>They were never saints. They just happened to be on the losing side of a war.
They will never stop seething at total Ranni victory and use any and all means to justify their cause.

>>717302439
I agree, I was just questioning that other guy's analysis of Dung Eater which was that Grace had left him long ago or something, which I disagree with

>>717302790
No anon that was all Ranni's fault, she made all the other demigods go crazy

>>717302823
Shadow of the Erdtree may as well be non-canon with how little it matters to the base game.

>>717302808
>The catacombs are connected to the Erdtree roots.
Not the same thing as being directly smuggled into the Erdtree's roots by the Golden Order, otherwise the game wouldn't even make the distinction. Some NPCs talking about Godwyn's death seem to be aware that he died uncleanly and probably shouldn't have been put there, but they did it anyways because muh Erdtree.
>She confesses to the plot that resulted in his murder
This isn't the same thing as Ranni having any personal opinions on Godwyn or Those Who Live In Death, she's borderline silent about Godwyn and completely silent about TWLID.

>>717302823
Yeah that whole dlc was a shitshow top to bottom. Just horribly done.

>>717302556
The takeaway is that Ranni gave the handmaidens knives imbued with Destined Death, telling them to kill a Demigod at a specific time. She gave them bad knives though or something, because they only half-killed Godwyn, she half-killed herself with the remaining fragments, which is why they're hunting her down.
She couldn't control who the target of the assassins would be.

>>717302845
The Rebis.
Otherwise there isn't much of a coherent answer because both were totally changed in development.

>>717302927
i think explaining marika's story and 2 prior civilizations that shed light on several aspects of the base game, explaining what the 2 fingers actually are, and giving us info on miquella is pretty hefty enough to be canon.....
also... its canon...

>>717284743 (OP)
You'd kill them all either way

i want you guys to know that id rape ranni if i could

>>717302971
>she's borderline silent about Godwyn and completely silent about TWLID.
Yes, she unleashed an unstoppable cancer that is consuming the world because she was mad at god and she couldn't give a single fuck. She is the most evil demigod in the game.

>>717303082
I can't make it any plainer that the game doesn't support your seething, anon.

>>717303082
>because she was mad at god
Source?

>>717303037
>She gave them bad knives though or something, because they only half-killed Godwyn, she half-killed herself with the remaining fragments, which is why they're hunting her down
The black knives could just as easily be working for her, though. Killing Blaidd and Iji exactly as soon as they will no longer be useful to her is not out of character for her at all tbqh.

>>717303079
but you can't and that is why she is best girl

>>717303007
It's honestly insane how fucking bad it is.

>>717301827
how moddable is PC elden ring, that'd be a cool addition

>>717302845
it's hard to say
my speculation is that Radagon was created and then split off from Marika to contain the curse the fire giants placed on her
his time apart allowed him to develop his own will, which turned Marika into a schizo when she reabsorbed him

>>717303183
it's insanely out of character, she tells you to tell blaidd and iji she loves them when she's at a point-of-no-return

>>717301827
pretty sure Ranni can't be killed though
like her body is already deader than dead
how would you defeat her?

>>717303183
She had their ringleader locked in a cell so it doesn't really seem that they're working for her.

>>717303082
>the world is controlled by 2 butthole piercers, aka fingers, who lie about communicating with god to make the world in their own image
>several people, including ranni, says 'nah fuck that' and does what is needed to ascend past tentacle (aka finger slavery)

>anons opinion: IF YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS POWER DYNAMIC YOU ARE EVIL AND WRONG AND HATE GOD

Gentlemen, we have discovered the fly in the ointment so to say, heh.
This man is a 2 fingers agent. Please eliminate him.

>>717303147
The game presents the fact that she unleashed a plague on the world, and she never comments on it in any way. That makes her evil to any reasonable person.

Just because she is nice to the player personally does not make her not vile. GRRM clearly seemed to write her as an evil character but Miyazaki had the hots for her and tried to make her an uwu wife. This is why her character and treatment feels so schizophrenic in the game. In general, Elden Ring has poorly developed characters and doesn't know what to do with almost any of them. I blame Miyazaki for this because characters are something GRRM excels at.

>>717303169
"I would NOT be controlled by that thing!"

>>717303272
>"Tell Blaidd and Iji I love them."
>Oops, Blaidd goes mad, forcing you to kill him, and Iji is assassinated after :)
Yet another 10/10 writing by Miyazaki and George! I love misery slop!

>>717303294
There's what I think is an implication she's already kind of "come into her own" as an Empyrean too, she's capable of just instakilling you no matter your level or power after the Seluvis potion betrayal.

>>717302845
Marika and Radagon were 2 different people forced to merge together
a foil to the Rebish
don't listen to the schizos

>>717303183
>The black knives could just as easily be working for her
They have a leader, and said leader is locked up, you can work with someone for a job, that doesn't make you their leader
>Killing Blaidd and Iji exactly as soon as they will no longer be useful to her
She has zero reasons to kill them
>not out of character for her at all
It is

>>717289953
I would always take bloodborme doll over ranni, its not even a contest.

>>717303272
She murders innocents before the game begins, unleashes death blight on the world, and doesn't care at all. Her lore makes her openly sociopathic.

>>717303376
If it weren't for Shadow of the Erdtree stating that the Two Fingers lost communication with the Greater Will, none of you would be parroting this. You're also implying that Ranni somehow knew this was true, too.

>>717302971
>>717303082
From the stuff in the DLC I think that TWLID are older than Godwyn despite what everyone says.
There are skeleton Beastmen on the way to the Jagged Peak, without any sign of Deathblight near. Charo's Hidden Grave has loot in it that talks about Mariners being around in ancient times.
The Gravebirds are also seemingly too old to be connected to Godwyn.

I think he got tied into the skeletons, but they are fundamentally older than him, and have existed before his death.

>>717303486
Ranni could literally rape puppies and it would still be out of character, this may sound surprising to you but even evil people can genuinely care about someone else and not want to see them hurt

>>717303504
Gideon also knows that they're bullshit artists.

>>717303376
Miquella abandoned his flesh and great rune without doing any of Ranni's weird murder shit. And Ranni's motivation is entirely selfish either way.

>She murders innocents before the game begins
wrong
>unleashes death blight on the world
wrong
>and doesn't care at all.
wrong, very wrong lmao
>Her lore makes her openly sociopathic.
wrong

anything else?

>>717303504
>if it wasn't for a new lore reveal in the dlc that's canon to the game and made by Mitsubishi-san himself you wouldn't be parroting this
What kind of gotcha do you think this is?

>>717303504
Basegame already pretty much came out and said the Two Fingers had no real contact with the Greater Will. Finger Crone next to the Roundtable Hold's fingers saying it's gonna take so fucking long for them to get any kind of reply that you can just straight-up burn the Erdtree and claim the Elden Ring and the throne of Elden Lord for yourself before any of the Fingers can snap to their senses and do something about you. And that's a Finger Crone! Some of the Two Fingers' strongest adherents and their interpreters! Only thing that DLC really changed was they'd be lying when they snapped out of it and claimed to have gotten a response.

>>717303641
>without doing any of Ranni's weird murder shit
Instead he literally got rid of his compassion and mind controlled a bunch of people

>>717303452
>She has zero reasons to kill them
They know she is still alive, and they are no longer useful to her.

>>717303641
We don't have reason to think that Miquella cut himself off from the fingers or the greater will.

If Ranni wasn't the defacto waifu of the game and instead looked like Dung Eater no one would be defending her to this extent

>>717303716
And she has to kill them because....?

>>717303641
>yeah miquella, instead of killing people he just mindraped them! why didnt she do that instead! why didnt she do the thing only miquella can do!
uh huh....

>Ranni's motivation is entirely selfish either way.
no you should watch the cutscene at the end of her quest anon!

>>717303065
Metyr lore is shit
Marika lore is shit
Miquella lore is shit

Why didn't Ranni use the assassins to find Necron? Especially if they're supposed to be nox people too?

>>717303715
Miquella's mind control powers had nothing to do with him just abandoning his body parts, and if the alternative to abandoning your compassion is nuking the world with undeath, then she should be held at gunpoint until she lets that shit go.

>>717302313
Godwyn probably deserved it let's be real

>>717303741
Ranni being a cute girl you can romance is also the reason why you seethe at her so much

>>717286856
bro it's been almost 20 years. I would

>>717303641
He also abandoned the entirety of his personality and convictions for that. And he did it in a pocket dimension that no one knows how to access anymore.

You are all wrong.

Ranni and I are king and queen. We rule the lands between for 1000 years under the guidance of the moon.

You are all nothing more than text on a screen. I am the main character. Your delusions of self mean nothing.

Now if you say anything else I will send myself after you to end your delusion of an existence.

THIS IS JUST IRONIC GRIFFITH APOLOGISM ALL OVER AGAIN

>>717303850
Descendants, but the Carians themselves are also probably descendants.
That info was just lost over time.

>>717289225
what does ranni do after this?

>>717303954

>>717303850
>Especially if they're supposed to be nox people too?
they're not
the black knife assassins are all numen

>>717303723
Miquella broke his great rune. The thing the shattering war was fought over, the thing the fingers are telling the tarnished to collect. He cut himself off from his lineage, and from the Greater Will's blessing.

>>717284743 (OP)
I'm going to have sex with Ranni

>>717303849
keep seething over it! im sure that will help! its been a whole year, only ~60+ more to go!

>>717303957
Huh?

>>717303970
>That info was just lost over time
Right, and why didn't she use them anyway? Why rely on three guys to find it when her entire plan relies on getting that knife to kill the Two Fingers? You have an entire organization of assassins that could help you find it and don't use them? Weird

>>717303950
Yes, the DLC is retarded dogshit, but it still retroactively makes Ranni even more selfish and evil.

>>717302790
>Morgott throws his own people into the sewers.
They aren't people.

>>717303983
immediately?
spread her legs

>>717304070
The lore is bad.

>>717304081
Nope. Ranni did the only thing she could and then fixed it in the end.

>>717303065
>2 prior civilizations
The tower doesn't even look the same as the one on the shield sunschizo

>>717304070
The Black Knives just seem to want to kill Demigods.

>>717304070
because the black knife assassins weren't hers
she was just borrowing them from Marika

im just glad we can move on from "this game is bad because crucible knight is an unfair fight!"
it took you guys 3 months to accept that one
one day you'll see why ranni's is the canon ending as well

>>717304136
Nah the lore is fine, the actual answer is really simple, the BKA don't work for her, shocking I know

>>717304141
>low IQ headcanon
I accept your concession.

>>717302790
Biggie was fat

>>717304171
1 raugh + 1 hornsent = 2 civs

>>717304206
Likewise.

>>717291394
The only value your life has is economical one.

>>717304014
That is fair, but Marika shattered the Elden Ring itself and remained tied to the Greater Will.
Ranni fully discarded her's, which is a step beyond that.

>>717302845
>But why
You know how you need two keys to launch the nukes and two different people hold them for safety reasons? Now imagine you really want to launch a nuke, so you apply for both positions as different people and get both keys.
Elden Ring is like that, you need two people to complete it and utilize it, but Marika realized she can hold all the power by pretending to be her own lover.

>>717303954
I'm going to spitroast Ranni with my mimic tear

>>717304180
The BKA were disgruntled Numen handmaidens, they weren't an elite killer corp.

>>717304182
They suck dick
t. Wizard

>>717304302
>but Marika realized she can hold all the power by pretending to be her own lover
Radagon is his own person and even opposes Marika while she's trying to shatter the ring

>>717304182
>scaled set + banished knight hood
low IQ, should be radahn's set + banished knight hood

>>717289525
sauce?

Do you think Melina would've been top waifu over Ranni if you could've saved her?

>>717304450
She's a little pissy about it but Miquella's needle lets me save her just fine.

>>717304241
>raugh
Ah, right, forgot about them. Romina was such a non-boss with no real purpose she completely slipped my mind.

Wait a minute

If Ranni is my wife, but Ranni is also your wife, do you know what that means?

Ranni is so strong she appeared in a different game

>>717304547
Palworld just steals designs thoughbeit

>>717304450
You can already save her, Melina sucks because she has no personality

you guys know all these threads are psyops for jewtubers to steal whatever story/explanation you come up with so they can make some video and money off it right?
its been 3 years since er guys and coming up on 17 years for souls games... stop falling for the bait

>>717304450
Yes. Fighting Melina at the frenzy ending and something if you aren't frenzied would have stolen the spot from ranni easily.

>>717304382
>Radagon is his own person
Sure thing Marika.

I DON'T WANNA *boats away from the lands inbetween*

>>717304629
Where are the Epstein files /pol/nigger?

>>717304681
>boat eventually fails somehow
>fall in the water
>"YOU DIED"
>spawn back at the shore you left from
FUCK

>>717288880
>still the shortest in her family

>>717304368
Oleg is literally my actual big brother.

>>717304768
probably in some jew's vault and backuped on several google servers because they're all morons? not sure why that's relevant to this thread

people like vaati have admitted to stealing all their actually correct ideas from this website or other sources, meanwhile any original ideas he's had have been wrong

>>717304768
Ask your president, you disingenuous /pol/groid

>the exact same arguments every fucking thread
Just feed this shit to ChatGPT and argue with it all day if that's what you want

>>717292017
>no reason
wrong, using destined death was the only way for her to break out of the GW's cycle/ aka the golden order

>>717304975
its because its the same ~10 schizos arguing the same points and they never change their minds because they think they're winning some psyop
meanwhile they are the only people who read their own schizo ramblings
its been this way since ds1, just make a shitpost, call someone a brainlet and join the fun

>>717288880
you guys think she'd develop the gwynevere physique if she got a few oreo milkshakes in her?

>>717288880
this is the only headcanon for this game im willing to accept
pure sexo

https://x.com/subliminalPlums/status/1949062157657882640
What did Miquella mean by this?

For me it's holding hands with Melina

>>717287881
Cute Boc

>>717298093
Based, taking the flame is objectively the correct choice logically and morally, no Melina DUDE JUST LET ME FUCKING KILL MYSELF is not an acceptable answer, sometimes your loved ones are in a rough spot and need an intervention.

Trinabros.....

>>717284743 (OP)
yes

>>717288626
I'm a much simpler man.
I just love my wife, Millicent!
Never betrayed her

>>717306162
who?

>>717286856

Ranni-chads won the thread again

>>717301827
I am surprised they didn't pull a "Godwyn was actually a piece of shit" to remove any possible guilt from siding with her.

>>717306539
But they will remain simps forever

How do I get the Boc ending

I cannot for the life of me come up with a tarnished that would choose to do ranni's quest over anything else. It just doesn't make sense at all.

>>717306539
won what exactly? biggest simp of the year award?

>>717306162
Man :(

>>717306848
I thought your post said "the BBC ending"

>>717306539
>they can only repeat their favorite buzzword
Yep

>>717306742
>>717306917
>sad low energy seethes
kwab

Ranni was the best thing in this game as a whole and it's not even close

Waifuniggers ruin any and all discussion

It's clear favoritism. Miyazaki is an int/moon/feminine simp and this has fully manifested in the form of Ranni and the Carians (20 of their knights could standstill the entire Golden Order btw).

>MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
>MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
>MAY CHAOS Take th- AAAAGGHH!
>AAAAAGH! MAY Chaos ta- aaaaghh!

>>717306919
Malenia doesn't deserve love.

>>717306962
How's the weather in New York?

>>717307360
Sorry meant New Delhi

>>717307315
>AAAAAAAAAAAA
>CHAOS SAVE ME

>doesn't speak a word
>wills his perfect world into existence and gets his own ending

>>717307575
Yeah, and two other faggots do the same and get you the same shit ending. There are only two paths worth a shit, gtfo or burn it all down.

How do I reconcile my love for my wives Ranni, Melina, and also the magic teacher whose name I forgot but is also my wife?

>>717307575
>>717308351
I choose to curse everybody!

morgott was the only decent demigod

ranni the bitch

>>717308440
Sellen, her name is Sellen.

>>717284743 (OP)
Sorry hag, to busy enjoying the flames of frenzy.

Elden ring failed to have a genuine third party, bring in libra. I don't know what his tax policy would be but im sure it would involve the foreskins of the gods if his theme is anything to go off of.

If Ranni is willing to kill her family for her plans why doesn't she try and do anything to stop a tarnished going for a different ending?

>>717309463
that would be cool like that one game where a girl kills everyone and cuts off your legs or whatever

>>717284743 (OP)
Didn't kill her mom, and it wasn't her fault her friends were killed. And her siblings were batshit insane by the time we meet them.

Doll wife

>>717284743 (OP)
>How exactly do you respond to this?
As you wish, my Goddess.

>>717309268

I can’t keep up with all the names but I liked the guy in stormveil castle who graphed a dragon onto himself
Why was he in a goal though

>>717309403
im hoping hes the next hardmode boss
augur was such a pile of dogshit

>>717284898
She is equally deserving of an execution for having caused the whole disaster in the first place to get out of her role as an empyrean. Total demigod death, no exceptions.

>>717288597
I don't know what I expected...

>>717309746
that wasnt him it was his brother/father or whatever excuse you'd like to reuse the fight
i am a massive elden ring enjoyer but when i first found that jail i remember distinctly saying out loud "oh for fuck sake really?"

>>717310089
Oh ok I get
t. doesn’t get it

>>717310535
i get it and i assure you its not worth getting...

>>717310680
Does that also apply for the 2 vykes

>>717310725
no, vyke invades you and then you fight his real form in the gaol, common trope in souls games outside elden ring, pretty sure its always been in the series? not sure for every title but it was for ds3 at least

If i had a real life-sized Ranni doll, i would take care of her like tidying up her dress, dust off her hat, dance some waltz with her (i make her stand up on a tall table so we're on even heights), have tea parties with her, hold her hands and interlock fingers, brush her hair, maybe give her different styles like drills or braid it and have her sit next to me when i sleep.

>>717284743 (OP)
Ranni did everything right

>>717311395
Born butler genetics

Why is this game so fucking empty and completely lacks a proper enemy evolution tree for each locale? fucking lazy AF

>>717284743 (OP)
Only if you join me for our boss fight in Elden Ring 2 Electric Boogaloo.

>>717299632
What was it supposed to be?

>>717284994
my weaponfu

>>717319204
I really like the fan art trend of Ranni's spirit face betraying her true feelings

>>717296989
At times like these The frenzied frame was a higher moral choice than this dudes. Atleast everything was going to get wiped clean, but this motherfucker wanted his own cancer verse; a universe were everything suffered and cannot die.

I’m going to have sex with my wife Ranni now. You can’t watch.

>>717298716
omens are curse afflicted abominations not a race.

>>717288675
>At least he doesnt go aroind and kill his harmless stepbrothers.
he just throws them into the sewers yeah

They should have made losing to Maliketh wipe your entire save for shits and giggles or atleast boot you out the game into your last save

>>717289030
Grace also points to you from Horah Loux during his boss fight.

>>717296989
He is a parody of people (redditors) who simp for omen and think everything good should be destroyed because abominable cursed creatures aren't treated very well. It went over their heads.

The DLC unironically took the base game from a 8/10 great experience to a 5/10 slop fest.

Who the fuck would marry a doll

>>717286236
I’ve been reading game of thrones, and I wonder how much more world building George would do for this game

Marrying Marika is the best becuase she can be fixed with goldmaskchad rune into trad wife

>>717321717
She is whore of hornsent and birthed countless demigods while being herself a god

>>717290918
Small girl
BIGGER hat
Ranni's hat isn't big enough
She's supposed to be a great witch, but everyone knows the power of a witch is directly related to the size of her hat

>>717291394
Yes. I live only so that I may kill, like all the rest of my kind. And you are no better, for all your laughable aspersions.

>>717287853
I’ll never forgive the people claiming STR builds were difficult/required thought and INT was just an easy spam on release. Having done playthroughs of both, I’m confident it’s the opposite.

Running STR + casting stat is the most fun though. All the fun of swapping through magic while also being able to turn off my brain and just jump/heavy whenever I want.

>>717287120
>>717287210
>>717290390
>>717298716
Morgott initially supported the Tarnished and let them stay at the Fortified Manor in Leyndell. Morgott only turned against them when it was revealed that the Tarnished and Finger Maidens' mission involves burning the Erdtree and trying to kill Maliketh, an ally of the Golden Order, to free something that might just cause an even worse apocalypse with the Erdtree burning. The Tarnished looked absolutely insane and fraudulent, then Vyke foolishly listened to Shabriri and nearly had the Frenzied Flame burn everyone. Marika also intentionally left Morgott in the dark regarding her threat to the demi-gods to become a lord or god lest she have them killed by someone who would. Morgott hates the hypocrisy and oppression of the Golden Order, he just wants to avoid pointless wars and power grabs by assholes, and Marika set him (and probably Mohg) up to be unknowing obstacles for the demi-gods and Tarnished to fight. Marika's ultimate goal is killing the Elden Beast, and she doesn't care who or what is killed and destroyed to accomplish that.

>>717292608
Considering that Miquella needs to seek out the Gate of Divinity to become a god, with his Great Rune being abandoned in the process and him having four arms and speaking of a "thousand-year voyage" afterward, Ranni probably did something similar to become capable of wielding the Elden Ring. In light of the DLC, an Empyrean has to become a god first to wield the Elden Ring and create an order. Wielding the Elden Ring itself doesn't create an order.

>>717301087
>>717301445
>>717301936
Grace isn't making the horns of the Omens diseased, the hornsent are literally using a curse to afflict people born outside the Land of Shadow. The Hornsent Grandam has dialogue about that if you attack her then talk to her in her first encounter. The Hornsent also had the Lamenter, who they despised, so not all horns were considered good to them.

The Godskinners don't stretch and have tails from gathering the skins, the stretching might be normal for them and the tails have to be grafted as a way to try getting further power. Heck, what they do with the skins might be akin to the Hornsent's arts, but in this case ignoring the soul entirely and just trying to weaponize the remnants of the body. They might also relate to the God-Devouring Serpent.

>>717294541
The Land of Shadow is just the center of the Lands Between, but sealed in a different dimension. It's just as physical and normal as the rest of the Lands Between.

>>717295610
>Whim
Miquella got tortured and raped by Mohg. That was very much not on a whim, and he was probably winging it to keep his soul alive/not pulled into the Erdtree to boot.

>>717298062
Ranni never directly asks for that, but she gives a key to the Tarnished that opens a chest specifically left with Rennala, and there is no warning given that Rennala is murderously insane and attacks on sight. There is also no warning given that a spell was created by Ranni to create a construct of Rennala that would fight anyone who successfully fended off Rennala.

>>717301937
>>717302081
>>717302217
>>717302704
>>717302439
>>717302869
The guidance of Grace (the golden lines) is literally sent and directed by Marika for Tarnished she thinks are still likely to become Elden Lord, which in this case requires killing the Elden Beast to fulfill her actual plan. All Tarnished get Grace back (or given Grace in the first place if they're descended from the exiled Tarnished), but if Marika thinks someone is beginning to suck or is abandoning the quest, Marika abandons them. At that point, they won't be revived if killed and Marika stops showing them the guidance of Grace. Marika is not moral.

>>717304507
Romina isn't from the Rauh civilization, she's a Hornsent who was apparently in charge of studying part of the Rauh civilization and a practice there which might relate to an outer god of poison, separate from the Scarlet Rot, or the buds were unrelated to even that.