What's the point of 8BitDo Pro 3 hype, when there already exists a controller/gamepad that does the layout changing better? No need to remove buttons with magnetic tool (provided with Pro3) when you can just press a button on GameSir's Tarantula Pro, and the layout just rotates

A friend was having problem playing RDR on switch with default switch layout, I imagine it's same for GTA games. So any games made for PS style layout will benefit from ABXY layout, but if you try playing game like splatoon on such layout you will quickly find it very difficult (right button, B, for jumping? get out of here)

Those gears will eventually break

Can anyone confirm if picrel actually works? So you just press button and now you're suddenly playing switch games with different layout?

>>717287849
I sure hope it will. I put an order on one of these. I was looking forward to Pro 3, but this thing already exists and looks so cool. Worst thing to happen I might end up buying both, not end of the world.

>>717287473 (OP)
Surely there are controllers that allow you to switch layout without all that gimmick but costs 0.1x the price?

What is the use case for rotating face buttons? B and A swapped places. Now what?
Most modern games finally rediscovered the ancient technology of "redefine controls in options menu". Lazy PC ports will just direct you to Steam's input menu to fiddle with definitions there. I'm positively sure you can use some utility to redefine gamepad buttons without steam, too.
It sure looks funky to have those gears in there and all that, but I think redefining controls on software level is far better idea, because you can also move keys all around, not just clockwise and counter clockwise.

8bitdo has better dpads and is better built

>>717288393
This controller is also supposed to be compatible with the Switch, so it's good if you want a single controller for both PC and Switch games.

>>717288393
You can only switch places of A and B on switch (from OS) per controller basis (so you have to keep returning to change setting if you play different game), but there's nothing that you can do about X and Y. Switch has Y on left by default, but there are games I prefer X to be on the left. And many of the games on switch you can't remap controls

I mean look at that thing... GEARS, FUCKING GEARS. When was the last time you've seen gears? Those thing used to belong to wrist watches, but how many people these days have wrist watches, let alone one where you can see the gears?

what kind of mongoloid do you have to be that you need to keep looking down at your controller to remember what buttons to press?

>>717288716
You don't if you only play with one layout, but some games are clearly better suited for certain layout, so playing with the layout intended for the game is the way to go.

>>717288840
thats not a different layout. the buttons just have different letters on them. if your A button is jump, then switch the buttons, your B button is now jump, but its still the same button, it just looks different. i dont have an existential crisis when i emulate ps1 games on my xbox controller, so why is this a necessary feature?

problem is not all devs who port games to switch keep the action button in same place. If we assume right button if for something, and down button is for something (in PS/xbox/PC) , it might be completely different on switch if the dev didn't make it right for switch, so the "jump" and "acttion" button might be on the different direction than if you played it on another system, and thus confuse you. RDR2 player was struggling to play RDR1 on switch because the switch must have functions at different places than he's used to when playing it on his own non-switch console or whatever.

>>717289070
If some game has A for jump in Xbox version (and X on PS version), if the dev doesn't do good enough job on the port, the jump might not be on B, but instead of "right side". I think at least Rockstar's ports might have this problem

The problem is not so much looking at the buttons, it's the fact that you have to press different direction buttons in some of the games ported on switch, than if you play game game on different console or PC

It goes without saying that this might be a switch only problem because other system players will never have to play games "meant for switch layout".

>>717289164
it doesnt change the actual input though. its purely visual.

>>717289742
Are you sure? have you used this controller?

>>717287473 (OP)
I played vampire with survivors with this. The thumbstick touches the pastic housing at full extension. I moved in circles so many times I have worn a groove into the stick shaft. I can feel it every time I move the stick.

>>717289830
If it changed both the input and the visual, swapping the buttons for Switch mode would have you pressing the bottom (B) button when a Switch game asks for A. There's zero point in it being anything but visual.

>>717289830
i havent, but i know how controllers work. if it did indeed change the input, then the controller would effectively have 8, separately mapped face buttons. and modern systems cannot be tricked into using more buttons than it thinks you have. anyone thats used a controller with extra buttons on pc knows this. you always have to bind them to keyboard keys or macros to use them.

also, theres this picture of the gamesir software.

>>717287473 (OP)
Good morning gamesir

>>717290394
But anon, isn't that exactly what's happening? on switch game where B is for jump, you press "down".. on a port where they didn't port it to switch layout... well you're pushing "down" again, because that's where the "A" is now.

>>717288430
>8bitdo is better built
lol
lmao

>>717290676
I can only go by my first hand experience. They are a little behind first party controllers but better then game sir and other full chink brands

Not to say 8bitdo is zero chink, it's like half chink. You never go full chink

>>717290459
I think it might have some kind of profile thing going. I have a wireless 8bitdo controller that works with adapter, and despite it having ABXY layout, it gets recognized as some kind of generic switch layout controller, meaning it's actually BAYX despite what's written on the controller (when using it on switch, which you normally couldn't do, because you're using separately bought adapter to hook it with switch, the wireless editions don't work on switch "out of the box"). This leads me to think that Gamesir tarantula pro might be changing profiles when pressing the button, so it works as ABXY or BAYX depending which profile is active. Afaik if that's true, it's only controller capable of doing that. My other ABXY controller works fine because it's recognized without issues, but I can never turn it into BAYX controller, this one seems to be capable of doing both layouts.

What's the point of this shit at all? Are you going to keep looking down on the buttons like a grandma?

>>717290824
I've had every single friend of mine who owned an 8bitdo controller tell me they broke after a few months. They are just as poor quality chinkshit as the rest of them.

>>717290647
yes, that was my point from the beginning >>717288716

youre still pressing the south button. it doesnt matter if the pretty little graphic on it says A or B.

>>717290928
a game where A is for jumping is going to be silly to play on a switch controller, where "down button" is B, and A is on the right side. If we assume X would be action button in such game, instead of pressing left, you instead have to press up instead. Do you not see how this can get confusing, sub-optimal way to play the game?

>>717290939
What controller are they using? I have almost 10 year old SNES style controllers from them that work. My original Pro that's like what 5 years old still works great.

I dunno what to tell you. Are these friends of yours just discord troons or something?

>>717291032
No I'm not pressing "south button" every time. If I'm playing splatoon with ABXY controller, you have to press "right", because that's where B is on ABXY, and B is for jumping on splatoon (you jump on splatoon with "down" on switch layout controller). Imagine playing GTA, do you wont to press a game designed "A for jumping", "downwards", do you want to press "right side" instead just because you're playing on switch? No, you get the ABXY controller for such games.

>>717290939
i have 6 million friends in my big family who own 1488 8bitdo controllers each and they all work perfectly fine. Wanna exchange more anecdotes?

>>717291049
>>717291178
im starting to understand. youre just a console babby that cannot conceptualize the idea of button remapping. you just think
>button says A. it must ALWAYS be the A button in everything.
so the idea of *moving* the A button is revolutionary to you.

I noticed on game scarlet tower.. the "action" button that actually matters in X, and Y is for discard. Well I found X is better to be on left, and Y on top, cause left is easier to press and is closer home to action button (usually bottom or left, while right is cancel/B). But that only works with ABXY controller, if I play the game on switch with Switch controller, the X is on top, and "discard items" button Y is on the left

>>717291049
It's just labels, how fucking retarded are you?
You can use an Xbox-styled 8bitdo Ultimate on Switch, press bottom button A and it registers as B on switch
By your logic Playstation gamepads are unusable on anything else because they have weird symbols instead of letters. What an absolute fucking troglodyte you are, holy shit.

>>717291457
You couldn't remap buttons on switch 1, and even on Switch 2 you can only remap A/B, not X/Y , and it makes no sense menu hopping control settings to change layouts per game basis. Ideally you have a controller for both layouts, but even better is if you have 1 single controller that lets you change between the two layouts, not because it's "cheaper", but because "it's cool".

>>717287473 (OP)
neat but it seems totally unnecessarily and overly complication and maybe prone to break easily. After playing a few hours anyone can memorize the various button layouts and you shouldn't be looking down at them anyway.

I have one.
Layout changing is useless unless you're 6 years old and have to look at the controller
Battery life is pretty mediocre.
It doesn't even serve to remember what mode you left it on since everything other than Switch mode uses the xbox layout.

>>717291609
>You couldn't remap buttons
exactly, so it doesnt matter. the south button is the south button. flipping the picture on the button wont stop it from being the south button.

>>717291581
>press bottom button A and it registers as B on switch
Nope, I have Gamesir's T3 Lite, A is A, so if I press down on Splatoon, it doesn't jump.

I just did a test, a third part switch layout controller, down B press jumps. On GameSir Tegenaria Lite / T3 Lite in order to jump on Splatoon, you have to press "right", the B is right side on Splatoon.

>>717288430
And better battery life

>>717291887
Battery life is almost always longer then I can play games these days unfortunately

>>717291826
Oh look, another braindead retard. Try reading the manual

Good morning sirs.

>>717292274
You're baiting right?

GOOD MORNING GAMESAARS

>>717290459 >>717290886
Here's the 8BitDo Ultimate's first edition, using the Nintendo layout.
There is a particular quirk with how the controller is programmed that fucks with the inputs while in xinput mode. If you were to use the controller's Macro system, the face buttons shift to Nintendo layout during the macro playing out. If you were to press a face button while a macro was running, the A face button would register an A as though it were interpreting a Switch input.
After this, 8BitDo used the xbox face button layout for some Ultimate 2 controllers, but it's quite possible that this "input mode crossover" issue may still exist in more recent revisions.

>>717292530
>have a problem
>refuse to look up a solution
>actually think a big company would release a switch-supported controller that is supposed to work like that
So, have you read the manual? How'd it go? Ready to admit you're a braindead retard?

YES, THANK YOU 8BITDOODOO. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE 12TH ITERATION OF THE SAME FUCKING CONTROLLER AGAIN EXCEPT WITH 1 EXTRA MINOR FEATURE WE CAN MARKET AS A BIG DEAL THAT YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE FOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH

>>717287849
It's purely visual, you just do it when you swap from using it to play games on the switch and the pc, but you don't have to nor does it matter, it's just for your benefit

>>717287473 (OP)
We need a better layout regardless. Pic related.

>>717293152
More buttons is good, but they should really be placed for other fingers. Thumbs have enough inputs as is.
>just put it on your lap-
I'll just use a leverless at that point.

I cannot get over how dumb that brand name is. It's like those bootleg threads with random english words that sounded cool in some chink's head.
No matter how god tier their product may be, I'm not gonna buy it

>>717287473 (OP)
>4bit or gamesaar

Nah.

>>717288680
This.
Call me when they're tiny oled displays that can swap to anything to match the button design of any controller, even playstation glyphs.

>>717293419
Both Gamesir and 8bitdo are taken from Nintendo.
>Gameboy
>Gamesir
>Nintendo
>8bitdo
8bitdo says it's officially pronounced do like Scooby Doo but they're just steering away from Nintendo lawyers.

>>717287473 (OP)
Nobody who would even think of buying 3rd party controller ever fucking looks on it while playing. It's all muscle memory. Removable, or even worse moving parts == extra points of failure. What's the fucking point.

>>717292891
>have a problem
it didn't even register as a problem in his head, that's just how dumb consoleniggers are.

>>717287473 (OP)
They're the same buttons. You don't even look at them while playing, why does it matter what letters are marked on them?
Your friend is retarded

>>717288840
I play Nintendo games with an Xbox controller. It doesn't fucking matter. Right face button is confirm whether the controller says B or A

>>717287473 (OP)
>yes i need GEARS in my controller for this specific case i'm gonna use twice and never look down on the controller again
- statements dreamt up by utterly deranged

>>717287473 (OP)
Is your friend 70 years old? Who the fuck is the target audience for this?

>>717288716
>>717290928
>>717294398
The retarded mentally handicapped audience is huge, you guys don't get that.

>>717291178
No you fucking idiot. The game doesn't say "the east button has an A on it. I'm going to remap the game controls to match" the game says "press the east button to jump"

>>717288306
https://www.8bitdo.com/pro3/

>>717287473 (OP)
Always thought that would be a cool idea, then after decades of gaming my muscle memory just seems to kick when I fire up any particular console.
Not opposed to it existing or others buying it, but anyway

>>717295164
Even that is a gimmick. Just allow remapping keys at hardware level and be done with it

>>717295390
That's a common feature of most controllers nowadays. The real gimmick is the swappable buttons.

>>717295390
I'm pretty sure the point is just having different keys to look at in case you need to so remapping is going too far.
I grew up with a SNES and every so often I still mix up A and B when I see in-game prompts so it kind of makes sense

>hmmm let's solve the non-existent problem
>add more moving parts
>increase cost
>make up a dumb story on 4chan to shill the result
>while also shitting on a competitor
gamesaars are pathetic

>>717295704
@grok is that real????

>OP unironically thinks that if you press A on a gamepad it's going to register as A no matter the platform

>>717287473 (OP)
That looks stupid, I'd rather it switch to playstation's layout than nintendo/xbox.

Do people actually look down at their controller when they play games? Who cares what letter is on what button? All you have to do is get acclimated to whatever control scheme your current game is using, which happens in the first hour or two of starting a game.
>I'm playing a PC game that uses Xbox Layout so A is on the bottom
>I'm emulating a Switch game so A is on the right
>I'm emulating a PS2 game so it's the same layout as Xbox except there's shapes on screen

>>717297090
On gamesaar xbox A = switch A, so OP assumed every gamepad works like that and made this thread to shill his garbage 'solution'

>>717287849
>>717288091
There's another button you can press for the controller to register as a xbox>sony>nintendo controller, but this face button one is purely visual

I had a Tarantula Pro for a bit but returned it because the dpad was worthless for fighting games, but this feature was handy for MHWilds where Steam Controller wasn't playing nice with DS4Windows

I got the Tegetinia Lite recently and it has the same software-swapping function for way cheaper but the dpad is still dogshit

>>717296825
>I'd rather it switch to playstation's layout than nintendo/xbox.
That's not happening until we get a customizable OLEDs under the buttons. Ever wondered why there are no budget 3rd party PS5 controllers?

I was going to get a tarantula but because of allt he threads lately about gamesir i'm going to get an 8bitdo instead

>>717297413
Sounds like they created a problem to sell OP the solution

>>717287473 (OP)
who's actually looking at the buttons when you play

>>717287473 (OP)
What is the point of this? People look at their controllers before they press a button? You cant memorize 4 fucking buttons? Kys.

What the fuck is this thread? I refuse to believe OP is actually this retarded, thinking this product is a good idea

>>717297413
>>717297680
It's not a problem, he's just a dumb nigger who never realized multiplatform controllers have separate modes for each platform

>>717293641
very cool that you have to completely disassemble the controller to do anything, great design

>>717288430
The dpad on the Pro 2 sucks and I doubt the Pro 3 is any better.

>>717298329
Ok, retard.

>>717297680
AFAIK that's how it works on all of those chink controllers that can be used on everything, they usually have a button combo to switch layouts and OP's gamesaar went the extra mile by using a gimmick to change the actual layout of the controller too.

>>717287473 (OP)
why does this matter?
you never look down on the controller

stop bumping your shit thread faggot OP

nah

Ever since the Astro C40 got discontinued there hasn't been a controller worth a shit
>b-but what about muh hall sticks?
If you need a high end controller for anything other than fighting games, you're a retard
>but what about
Whatever it is, the dpad is shit and no good for fighting games. Best you can do is mod a DS4 and buy a replacement every three months

>>717293641
Flydigi has garbage d-pad.

>>717302232
>plus, not circle or dish
>can't find a single teardown that actually shows the d-pad internals
>ordering just a d-pad module for the $200 controller is $30
even if I did believe you this sounds like a scam

>>717293641
I have one of those. It's quite heavy, feels quite premium desu. Battery lasts a fucking week.

That stuff reminds me of the times we used to have a bunch of different designs for cellphones. I'm glad the China still dares to innovate.

>>717303667
It is a scam. No part should break down the way they do on sony controls

That's why I called it 'the best you can do' and not 'the only good option'

>>717288716
do you know how I can tell you're a mongolod retard that barely plays games if at all?

>>717298576
pro 3 uses the ultimate 2c dpad

>>717288716
You are on /v/.

>>717287473 (OP)
im going to be honest, i got the pro1, i love how it feels when using it, i just want tmr sticks, hall effect triggers, extra r4 l4 triggers alongside back bumpers, the button switch is nice but im not going to be using it, plus i like the gamecube colour scheme, charging station, dongle for better connection

thats why im getting the pro3

>>717287473 (OP)
neat

>>717287473 (OP)

I would never be able to buy a gamesaaaar and not think less of myself. Lmao

>>717287473 (OP)
People don't trust games because they're a newer name and the "SAAAR" memes. That said the cyclone 2 is the best controller I've ever used

>>717287473 (OP)

>>717287473 (OP)
Regarding controllers, I've come to the point that I'm no longer interested in ones that are modular, but do one thing right and is robust. Can I just have official controller variants where they don't have sticks and four bumper buttons so I can play fighting games with.

>>717290824
How is 8bitdo not fully Chinese? Sounds like more weird white people cope.

>>717309473
They have better western marketing, so they fake not being Chinese better to the layman

>>717287473 (OP)
>No playstation option
I never even heard of it, but i guess it doesn't have freaking gyro.

>>717309549
You might have a point. I remember checking out their website and they had a Chinese address listed, but now I can't find it anywhere.

>>717309747
It has gyro, and it also has a DS4 input option. It just doesn't have a setting for Sony symbol display.
What it doesn't have is a touchpad and good wireless.

Good morning Saar, welcome to GameSaar, where you saar, are the Gamaar

8bitdo's weibo account indicates that they are based in Shenzen which where you would expect them to operate. They are probably listed as a Hong Kong company for legal reasons.

>>717309549
They also constantly create /v/ threads to promote their controllers, and now GameSir is trying to do the same.

>>717309473
They are American designed, manufactured in china. Where shit like gamesir is designed in china and made in china

>>717290928
The gear switch is a useless gimmick just to market to midwits, the main point of the controller is having hall effect playstation layout sticks with back buttons.

>>717309747
Probably because the Playstation shapes are copyrighted

>>717310796
Every third-party just modifies the shapes in some way.

>>717308430
Can I make it dual bottom sticks so I don't look like a retard while playing?

>>717310567
PS layout is putrid though. It's easily the least ergonomic layout possible

>>717311130
Sticks on the bottom is ergonomically superior if you have a normally formed human hand and not a subhuman monkey paw

>>717288716
Unironically this. It doesn't matter

>>717311204
No, it really isn't. The shitshock has always been a bad design.

>>717310409
Definitely the case with 8Bitdo, seeing daily threads for years for both them and Gulikit soured me on those brands.
I'm not entirely convinced the recent uptick in Gamesir threads is marketing yet, but given they unironically started marketing to India I wouldn't be surprised if saarposting was a legitimate marketing strat for the other side of that coin. Given recent 404'd threads I think it's just part saarposting and part falseflagging currently, but we'll see how dedicated the schizo/marketers are I guess.

>>717288716
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just watched the scene fucking lmao

>>717311246
Yes, it really is.
Your thumb is supposed to have more freedom of motion when not forced up towards your index finger. Your hand is supposed to naturally form a "c" shape with the index finger and thumb when at resting position, its how humans evolved to grip things unlike retarded monkeys

>>717311204
Two sticks on the top is technically the most natural design. But the Xbox controller is a close second

>>717311386
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just watched the scene fucking lmao
What's it called?

>>717311402
>he thinks human thumbs are supposed to jut straight out at 90 degree angles
The mind of a snoygger

>>717311459
https://www.playvids.com/de/v/yFgk3RQr1-a

>>717311428
Wrong, forces your thumb up too high, causing more fatigue than a lower stick.
>>717311517
if your thumb doesn't stick out 90 degrees from the rest of your hand when you extend all your fingers, you have something wrong with you.
Can you even grip a cup single handedly or do you have to paw it like some monkey child?

>>717311662
I know this is hard for you, but stand up amd let your hands rest at your side. Guess what direction your thumb points. I guarantee it isn't straight ahead or towards your micropenis you retarded playstation cum drinker.

I'm sure the Pro 3 will be a good controller but I'm not sure what's so special about it compared to the Pro 2. It looks like a modest update to me, which is fine but not worthy of excitement.

>>717311549
Thanks.

>>717311860
You keep moving the goalposts like a desperate shitskin
If you have normal hands and just casually hold a controller in a resting position and let your thumbs fall naturally on it, they should, they should migrate more towards where the bottom sticks are located than up towards the top.

>>717287473 (OP)
If the buttons are digital why didn't they also add playstation glyphs as well? This would be cool for when I emulate shit on my PC and switch between nintendo and sony consoles.

>>717312045
You have deformed hands if that happens. Hands at rest with index fingers pointed forward, such as towards the triggers, will have thumbs closer to parallel with the index finger. Not at a right angle like playstation controllers expect you to do. No one moved shit, you're just trying to evade. Poorly

>>717312217
Confirmed for having subhuman monkey paws with barely opposable thumbs LMAO

>>717310547
Nope. They are based in Shenzen. The company was founded in Shenzen, registered and Hon Kong and the designers are all Chinese. The 8bitdo brand was created by Gwowo, a Chinese design company. And aside from the founder and director, the designers are all cute Chinese girls. https://www.gwowo.com/about/

>>717312443
Would, would, would, would, would and would

>>717312302
>snoygger has run out of defenses for his awfully designed controller

>>717312629
My defense is that it was better designed for correct human hands, you countered with my idea of "correct" human hands was wrong, so I guess we are just at an impasse.

>>717293109
I was always surprised how much trouble people have remembering the buttons on controllers. Like come on man. There are like 8 of them and half of them are obviously named "right trigger" and "left bumper" or at least something like that.

>>717311932
main bit is prob TMR and the extra shoulder buttons
also ability to have analog or digital triggers and the charging dock

>>717312719
>KAZOUUUUU SAVE MEEEEEEEEE

>>717312191
probably licensing or some shit
or the way they do it is shine LEDs through preset icons and only had space to do the rotation for switch and xbox layouts

>>717312786
I would've just done screens for each button but then maybe the controller would have cost many dabloons.

>>717312768
Fine, I'll be the bigger man.
Bottom sticks feels better for me personally, and top sticks feel better for you personally, regardless of which is "correct" or "superior".
Manufacturers should account for both instead of pushing one agenda, so they are to blame.

>>717312951
yea probably
custom icons would be kinda dope but ulitmately not worth the engineering costs

>>717312994
I can roll with that. Look I was only matching your "subhuman monkey" energy. If you wanted a normal conversation, I could have done that too.

>>717311316
It's just consoomer's console warring about which Chinese brand of third party controllers is better. Get used to it, bro. That's the future. China cannot be contained.

>>717305846
and that is good or bad?

has anyone tried the new 8bitdo 64 controller?
i heard the stick is kinda fucked up

>>717293641
Interested in getting Flythejeet but honestly too expensive for some random chink brand

I stand by the Vader 4 pro

>>717297537
Don't like the d-pad? I'm a fan of it myself, feels like a more defined version of what's on an 8bitdo Pro 2, which has a d-pad that already feels like an upgraded Dualshock 4 itself.

>>717311932
It's pretty much backporting all of the Ultimate 2 goodies to the symmetrical layout while having its own new features. TMR analog sticks, extra shoulder buttons, dome switch d-pad, charging dock. Unfortunately drops the replaceable batteries, and the button swapping gimmick ruins the look of the Game Boy themed color.

>>717287473 (OP)
What Temu console has that weird backwards rainbow version of Nintendo's controller?

>>717310409
You're witnessing a market penetration in progress, not shilling. Or, rather, it's shill hunters and Logitech F310 memelords that take offense to controllers getting posted.

You're seeing a lot of Gamesir "shilling" because a Tegenaria Lite is fucking $20 for a hall effect controller of good build quality.

>>717315570
They actually fixed it to have full range in all 8 directions with a firmware update, but it is still too sensitive like all aftermarket solutions, leading to issues in games that require precision inputs like fzero and to a lesser extent goldeneye/perfect dark
I wish these motherfuckers who make steel bowls for the OG could keep their shit in stock

>>717318528
Is the quality much better than the easysmx x20?
Don't think I need or want any fancy gimmicks, but some long lasting quality would be nice. My dualsense is finally really showing stick drift on both sides.

>>717319139
>dome switch d-pad
Is the D-pad better than the Pro 2's?

>>717320370
Seems fine, dunno how it will last long term.

>>717320741
Don't know, haven't actually tried it. Heard good things about 8bitdo's implementation of membrane over dome switch but I was holding out for a symmetrical controller.

>>717309000
See >>717302232

>>717319062
What do you use it for?

>>717322329
Mega Man and Contra

>>717322370
>Mega Man and Contra
Yeah well anything works for games where the most complicated motion is a double press, but it's just too squishy and imprecise for fighting game motion inputs or wave dashes

>>717322620
you dont really need that much shit to play shitty WWE games either

>>717293109
That's so pointless. I want it to actually move the A button signal to come from the right button so I don't have to rebind controls in the emulator. Is there a single controller with SNES layout where you don't have to remember to also change the controls in the emulator?