BRING HIM BACK
BRING HIM BACK
BRING HIM BACK

Nay.

Bring back sandman stun

>>717309253 (OP)
Uncle Phil it was just a-

Let the spy dual wield guns

>>717309552
How can Valve be so cruelhouse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_OfuZa3xcE

Could you toss me a sandvich?

>>717309253 (OP)
NO

Look at what they did to my boy

>>717309253 (OP)
spy nerffs can stay because I hate the spy. however they should revert most the other nerffs they did

>>717309650
Shut up Will.

>>717310048
man you can drop deaaaaaaad

SPY
>runs to the front lines as Sniper
IS NOT
>jarate + bushwacka crits someone to death
A SNIPER
>jumps around the corner and quickscopes someone at close range

>>717310048
LISTEN UNCLE PHIL-

I'm going to have to think a long time about what I'm going to do with you. In the middle of the night.

>>717310540
>>717310339
Fuck yo fatha
Fuck (YOU) nigga you're a phone!
>>717310979
>What are you gonna do dad?
>Pho-pho-oh!

The engi's DEAD
SPY

>>717309253 (OP)
>hey G would you make me a sandwich?

>>717310000
It is honestly insane to me the rhetoric around this went from
>This lets you "outrun your own hitbox" and needs to be nerfed
>This is nerfed to shit and it's good because it let you outrun your own hitbox
>Some people said it totally used to let you outrun your own hitbox, but this isn't actually true
>This never let you outrun your own hitbox and this claim TOTALLY has nothing to do with it getting nerfed

>>717311159
>Yo man I am not a sticky spammer!
>*BEEP!*

Hey engie would you make me a dispenser?

>>717311509
Demos who deny sticky spam are just greenhorns, all the classes take some spam from time to time, it's a gamesense/push thing.

>>717309253 (OP)
This weapon is pretty shit, right? I’m a menace with normal revolver but I cannot make this thing work for me no matter how hard I try.

>>717311510
nope.avi

>>717309253 (OP)
compfags really got every unlock ruined before also ruining the game with matchmaking

>>717311641
I used it all the time to solve engie nests.
two donkers and it's free game

Not as generally good as the stock revolver but has its uses

>>717311641
It used to be an acceptable sidegrade to the revolver but completely lost its niche of reliable long range damage.

>>717309253 (OP)
Kys it should be nerfed even more. Spy should not have a hs mechanic.

Im Henry Furth

>>717311786
You also left out
>Directly assisted in the google holocaust of real communities
>ARE STILL CRYING FOR NERFS A DECADE LATER

>>717309552
This, it barely ever happened and when it did they deserved it.

>>717309552
Unironically this. The sandman stun was genuinely high skill, because you had to snipe someone with it from like all the way across the map for it to stun and it was a tiny projectile with relatively slow movement.
Shitters cried because they knew they got styled on whenever it happened.

>>717312381
But anon, didn't you listen to the people that started playing 2-5 years after it was added? It doesn't belong in TF2.

>>717309552
At least bring back cleaver combos. I swear that shit has 0% usage since they nerfed it.

>>717312668
Cleaver "combo" should stay dead, crit on stun was dumb and it's a way more sensible combo weapon with the wrap assassin/basher.

>comp tranny takes over the game's development
>all fun is immediately removed
>game dies
this is a good lesson

>>717312837
>game dies
Nice cope retard.

>>717311324
NOH

>>717311324
i miss walking up to new players and just scarfing down endless sandviches

I hate tf2 after all of the various new guns were dropped. Old vanilla tf2 has been and will always be peak tf2 and none of you can ever convince me otherwise.

>>717313782
You can still do that? If you're full it doesn't consume your sandvich meter

>>717313946
You dropped your post f2p mercenary badge.

>>717313968
im dumber than they are. i should have added while they take forever to kill me.

Oh my God...
he's God...!

>>717314016
Nah. I played TF2 only on the orange box Xbox 360. Nice try though.

>>717312668
Pretty sure the cleaver combo was the whole reason why they nerfed the sandman in the first place. To which I question why they didn't try to nerf the guillotine instead of the sandman.

>>717314051
>Uh...alright. Why does God look like HEAVY?

>>717314234
Go read the patch notes for Jungle Inferno.
You can see the straight up Youtuber seethe in them. It's hilarious.

Nah nah, to me, heaven's gotta be a cross between dustbowl and 2fort

>>717314465
>Heaven is this nice place where all the friendlies are tables and Hell is this awful place where all the tables are friendlies.

>>717314465
>heaven is a cross between two worst maps in the game
bet you'd love if cenobites were real

>>717314465
It's like I can have a SPY in one hand, and a POOTIS in the other

>>717309552
>>717309253 (OP)
Move on.

>>717309253 (OP)
Let me tell you boys something about video games

>>717312545
>all the way across the map for it to stun
You only needed like a bit of distance for the stun. Across the map stuns just lasted longer.

>>717315091
>something about video games

>>717315042
>Stop making fun of us
Hey you asked for it.

>>717311858
Pretty much every notable spy main went back to stock except the f2p clip farmers. The falloff is too steep to make it worth it.

A 2fort in the garage?

What do you all want to see for Team Fortress 3?

>>717315252
Yup, the funny thing is they could have just rolled it back to the version that did minicrits and it wouldn't have rendered it basically worthless.

>>717315352
Only thing I want is Source 2 and Valve getting their shit together and putting out a Linux SDK for it. Windows users don't make good stuff for free anymore.

>The most powerful combat class in the game needs a ranged stun and 165 damage crit combo because uhhh HE JUST DOES OKAY?!

>>717312545
Or you just spammed it down a narrow choke the enemy were pushing through. Kinda like the Huntsman, in theory takes skill but in reality is just used for spam. Only the cooldown kept it from being abused more.

>>717309552
>>717312545
>>717315113
>collect the sandman ball
>”oh there’s my ball! :D”

>>717315352
A Pizza Hut in the garage

>>717315456
>I got hit by the ball and cried

F U
NEPHEW

>>717315657
>I lost my crutches and cried

>the ambassador nerfs are absolutely warranted because there are no precision weapons in the game besides sniper, who needs to charge their gun.

>channers will never accept this and think jt has something to do with competitive

>does nothing close up
>only decent stun at long range, where the scout cant do shit
>unless the scout throws away his only medium range option (pistol), or all utility items, for the cleaver which is a projectile and has a cooldown and does not do that much damage
>so scout has to hit a slow ball at long range, switch to cleaver, and also hit that one, for the same damage as a flare gun crit lol lmao kek
>so basically if you got cleaver'd you fucking suck and the scout deserves the kill

>>717315736
Yeah it was kinda ridiculous that you could 3 tap a heavy from any range. Wasn't even that hard to aim.

do they ever do crossovers with random indie game any more?

What can you say about the Heavy
He was the HEAVY IS SPY

>>717315706
>I cried to the developer that you beat me at the game, but actually it's you who are bad.
I've always been a boston basher scout.
You're just bad lol.

>>717309253 (OP)
>>717309552
>>717310000
sorry, no fun allowed

>>717315736
1. The Diamondback exists and is now just objectively better while being less skillful because it can get those 102 shots from anywhere without needing to aim for the head.
2. Sniper goes 150 damage near instantly and can kill a heavy with 2 headshots while Spy would need 3 shots with over a second of spacing.
3. The fact that Sniper can charge it to deal more damage is a benefit to him, since he can go behind a corner, charge, peak out, then shoot either 450 damage headshots or 150 damage bodyshots.

I don't know where this sudden rhetoric comes that the amby was genuinely OP and needed to be nerfed. I remember it being universally a questionable change and it's not like anybody really complained about spy at the time either. I'm convinced more and more that Overwatch brought in a bunch of shitters to the genre that can't aim and have a mental breakdown whenever they get headshot by a class they can't play.

>>717315751
>long range
You only needed to be around midrange for a 1 sec stun. Basically just after the start of the scattergun dropoff. Piss easy to land too. The only downside it had was putting yourself in rocket launcher one-shot threshold.

>>717310339
OUGHHH

>>717316334
You're also leaving out getting jumped by the enemy team that is surrounding the stunned enemy gamer.

>>717316205
I thought fhere was shot variance on spy guns so they don’t always hit where you aim?

The problem is spy could do all that while moving, without zooming in, without slowing down and having the rest of the spy’s kit on them. Having the dead ringer is such a game changer for spy that I’m surprised that hasn’t been nerfed to oblivion. But again, I think it’s because the ambassador ruined the design of the characters and rules of engagement prenerf. It wasn’t the numbers that was the problem, it was that you got to play hitscan in a game that wanted to minimize hitscan as much as possible

>>717316441
There is but the Ambassador has a longer accuracy penalty and cooldown between shots.

>>717310048
But it's not Will

>>717316413
And you don't have a team too?

>>717316407
I'm not over it.

>>717316635
You do, but generally your team isn't behind the enemy team's front line.

>>717310000
This one was undeserved

>>717310000
Just make it an activated meter like every other weapon. Dynamic speed is a retarded idea to begin with.

Thinking back on this, I think I quit over the Ambassador nerf. I was one of those spies who, if I couldn't get in close because the enemy team was on high alert, would cloak and dagger around and headshot people until they noticed me.
Well, now you get Kunai spies running amok. You win, game devs.

Why did they get rid of saharan spy

>>717309552
The only people who like the Sandman stuns are scunts, contrarians, and newfags pretending to be oldfags by bitching about well deserved nerfs.
No, Scout, the fastest class in the game, does not need a Holiday Punch in projectile form (fastest projectile in the game btw) that can stun from any angel.
No, Scout shouldn't be able to effortlessly (key word effortlessly, which is distinct from the actual Holiday Punch or Pyro airblasting) stop a fucking Uber that took about a minute of healing teammates and trying to survive as the most targeted class in the game.
No, it's not fun being hit by a nearly unavoidable projectile (fastest projectile in the game btw) and either being killed because you can't defend yourself or being stuck because no one else is around.
Anyone who genuinely defends the old Sandman, or any variation of stun mechanics in multiplayer games, absolutely deserves to get the Bob Barker treatment (plus their kids/grandkids if they managed to breed somehow) and relentlessly beaten daily.

>>717316413
>You're also leaving out getting jumped by the enemy team
That happens to all scouts, retard. How the fuck do you think non-sandman scouts deal damage? Using pistols from max distance? They still have to get close, sandman or otherwise.
The only difference is you have the upper hand in 1v1s vs soldier/demos/heavies.

>>717316873
>any variation of stun mechanics
huntsman stun doe?

I want my overheal back

>>717316793
Stupid people claimed that it was overpowered for the retard in the Fez to extremely obviously deadring at you and then die like a retard.
Same stick most of the polycount sets got whacked with for being "pay to win" despite generally being worse than stock
>Bushwacka with no jarate
>Battalion's backup you have to take damage to build rage with
>degreaser that did a flat 25% less damage
>Scout that can do a maximum of 70 non-crit damage

I don't understand how people can enjoy playing Spy casually, if you are great at abusing him that's one thing but just running around playing him as intended.
You can go full deep cover and trick everyone on the enemy team with years and years of built up psychological knowledge of TF2 players but all it amounts to is a single kill, it's too much effort for such little gain. A stickytrap can fill the exact same niche with a bonus chance of taking out more than one opponent.

>>717317409
>Equip enforcer
>Melt wrangled sentries
>Instantly kill kunai deadringer spies
>Everyone's brain shuts off and they don't know what to do when a hatless spy is dinking them with a revolver and not trying to stab them

>>717309253 (OP)
Sure, good spy players are practically non existent now.
>>717309552
No. like I get the memories and everything but if you didn't get how retarded the sandman stun was in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing then you're just retarded.

>>717316754
Deserved or not, it was inevitable once fun got replaced with spreadsheets. They looked at a good moment and said "Hmm, how do we turn this into a flowchart of regrets and cooldowns?" This update was the TF2 equivalent of nerfing dancing in a rhythm game because some people tapped too accurately.

>better I lose than you win

>>717317727
It's funny to me that stupid people honestly tried to have an argument on if this gun is irredeemably bad when its downside is basically
>You lose to enemy heavies with medics
On a related note, I fucking miss the Warrior's Spirit with the max health penalty.
Sick of dying to boosted fall damage.

>>717310000
I still like it, but I do really miss the old baby face
It's very biased towards left handed players who don't use a left handed mouse

>>717317406
It was considered pay to win because sniper was immune to headshots
No, not like "you take normal damage instead of crit damage"
You would take 0 damage from enemy headshots

>Make a melee specifically for melee combat
>Nerf its melee effectiveness to the point of it being genuinely worthless because of a utility use that no one in their right mind would choose over the GRU

>>717318309
fuck, forgot my link
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/437678-team-fortress-2/66725732

>>717318309
The old bug was any sniper would leave you at 1hp iirc.

>>717318448
Nope, it wasn't a bug, it was intended headshot immunity

>>717318448
>bug
it was intended though

>>717317981
For the record to clarify how fucking retarded the bonus damage penalty is.
The same fall that would do 140 damage with the old warrior's spirit will do fucking 195 damage with the one as it is now.

>>717318579
>>717318602
I don't think you understand.
ANY sniper shot would leave you at 1hp.
You basically had buddha against enemy snipers.

>>717316873
only good post

>>717318829
what part of "intended headshot immunity" you don't fucking understand?

tf2 youtubers and their consequences have been a disaster for TF2

>>717316873
only bad post

>>717318935
What part of immediately patched did YOU not understand? Or are you the type of retard to think it was intended behavior that reflected cow mangler shots did full crit damage when it was added?

>>717319158
Okay, I see what's going on
You're talking about a bug that got patched.
They're talking about the croc o style kit's intended set bonus that lasted from 2010 to 2013

>>717319272
Correct.

>>717309253 (OP)
Ambassador nerfed
>Spy mains bitch endlessly
Sandman nerfed
>Scout mains bitch endlessly
BASE Jumper nerfed
>Soldier mains complain for a while but get over it
Demoknight as a whole is nerfed
>Demo mains complain for a while but get over it
Hmm I wonder if this says something about the type of players who main these classes.

>>717319458
>Demoknight "nerfed"
>Can turn off ANY debuff applied to him by right clicking at all
>The single example of the current sandman having ANY use in a non-saxton hale game of tf2 rendered completely redundant

>>717309253 (OP)
Bring back 4/40 Soldier rocket launcher ammo.

>>717309552
NOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT COMPETATIVE FRIENDLY OKAY WE NEED IT TO BE COMP BALANSE!

>>717318983
Social media has been a disaster for creators in general.

>>717319997
Eh more that whole google holocaust thing, ain't nothing wrong with social media, the problem came from the internet being turned into four websites on people's phones.

>>717317593
>we need to punish skilled players

>>717316441
>Having the dead ringer is such a game changer for spy that I’m surprised that hasn’t been nerfed to oblivion.
When did you stop playing? In 2014?

>>717321449
Honestly funny to me is the dead ringer never beat the inviswatch.
Or enthusist's timepiece in my case.

>>717319458
Demo received a tiny nerf and demo mains bitched so hard it got reverted
>soldier is so busted and untouched you had to use the fucking base jumper as your example
50% of players are soldier mains because he’s the strongest and easiest class, he’s never getting nerfs

>>717321693
>a tiny nerf
that made sticky spam(pretty much the only thing demo is good for) completely not viable

I giggle to myself every time I look through this blessed image

>>717322182
It's honestly impressive how fucking bad modern era tf2 gamers are at tf2.

>>717321568
isn't the clock and dagger meta now?

>>717323576
Debatable, one of the most crucial things to do as a spy is to NEVER disguise as an enemy gamer near their spawn or teleporters because of the spawn wallhacks.
If you don't disguise and make use of the map you can find some pretty good places to hide at that don't reveal ypur presence and don't require you to stay cloaked.

>>717323576
all three watches are viable

>>717324138
sperm and eggs are viable

should i install tf2 and wm1 people

>>717322403
I blame Overwatch for bringing them in.

>>717309552
that shit is not happening, the best you will get if Valve ever starts to fiddle with TF2s balance again is maybe a new effect that obscures peoples vision a bit and maybe more damage, what you should be asking for is for the Glass ball for the gift wrap to let the cleaver krit or minikrit already bleeding targets.

>>717324353
With Flog and Detonator jumping to ambush spots, yeah.

>>717324558
Dude Cleaver and wrap already does 175 damage it doesn't need crits.

>>717324606
>>717324353
>use detonator/scorch shot to build phlog charge
>go back to spawn
>swap secondary to thermal thruster
>jump behind or into a group of people
>taunt
>????
>profit

>>717315252
>The falloff is too steep to make it worth it.
this is silly. the Ambassador is still a reliable two-tap on every class but soldier and heavy.
Check out how many hammer units it is where it's still doing 88+ damage. That's a two shot on demoman and pyro that you wouldn't be getting with the stock revolver.
All you've lost was just the guarantee of hitting the 102 threshold.

>>717324660
>implying niggas that can aim not only the wrap and cleaver should not be rewarded for it.

The fucking damage is so miniscule with a medic it balances out, also thats why I said MINICRITS as well. Either way people who enjoyed that playstyle deserve to have it back in some sort of way.

>>717324138
Honestly I still kinda hate where the dead ringer is at, I would much rather it take a damage reduction nerf for more usability, the way most spies use it anyways is to be agressive, so him having more uptime on it while being a bit easier to kill with it would be a good trade off.

Alternatively add the watch from TF2C that shit is so clean and fair.

>>717319458
Based Jumper is a meme weapon which is why it is forgotten and would have been no matter what and Demoknight is also memey but to a lesser degree so people got over it because it was always a whacky subclass.

>>717325047
>implying
175 damage is enough to kill everyone but soldier and heavy
>Medi
Also dies or if you're anxious, ding him with the short stop

>>717321693
Stickies are a core part of the class, not a single unlock. It'd be like if every Scattergun had its damage halved or if every Sniper Rifle was reworked to act like the Classic.
>>717325079
How about Engineers, they had Wrangler and Rescue Ranger nerfed, are they still bitching endlessly? No. How about Pyro and the Degreaser and Axtinguisher, they got nerfed, and yet they moved on and adapted with new strategies.
Only Scunts and Spies are the truly whiny bitches of the TF2 class mains.

test

>What if TF2 was fun again?
https://youtu.be/HWenueVOXZ0