Thread 717328498

>"Is that bright colour and whimsy in my mature Zelda game?! AAAAAAAAAH save me japanese series creator whom I forgot the name of!"
Why was it like that?

Medli cute
Want duck

>>717328498 (OP)
>release wind waker
>it's a rushed game with only 2 temples
>"guess people don't like sailing"
>no comfy ocean adventure ever again
Why don't they ever give these things a chance? Refine the concept. It could work, it was so close.

>>717328960
https://youtu.be/G3gfqPdF7eQ
Phantom Hourglass is the comfy ocean adventure you seek

>>717328498 (OP)
The infantile art direction is the least of wind waker's problems, the gameplay is the worst of the 3D zeldas

>dogshit dungeons and fewer of them
>combat is worse than predecessors and successors
>worst side content of the game despite it supposedly being a focus with the world design
>horrible overworld, one of the emptiest, shallowest open worlds ever made
>simultaneously not enough proper content and too much bad content
>Game is somehow more linear than OoT despite its structure
>most abhorrent side/fetch quests in the series so far, figurine collecting makes the korok shit in botw/totk seem like a breeze
>triforce hunt
>1 (one) cool new tool, deku leaf

>>717329627
*worst side content of the series

>>717328498 (OP)
I remember getting banned on gamefags when I was like 10 because I passionately argued with people shitting on WW's artstyle. I was right then and I'm right now.

>>717328498 (OP)
The only speedrunner I watch switched over from doing oot 100% to wind waker 100%, ww is such a massive downgrade compared to oot

>>717328498 (OP)
People wanted OoT 2 edgelord edition because that was the mature grown up thing teenagers wanted at the time instead of kiddy cartoon shit especially after the spaceworld demo

>>717328498 (OP)
WW released when the primary playerbase for the N64 was turning mid teens or even young adults. The culture was edgy and too cool, Mario's out here getting tribal tattoos and you want to sell a cutesy baby game? It's an artstyle that has stood the test of time but it was an insane choice for the time considering OoT was so universally well received and a similar style sequel was 'promised' with that GC tech demo.

People were fine with Wind Waker by itself, they were just worried that that artstyle would now be the template for every Zelda game.

The games reception improved dramatically when it turned out that wasn't the case.

Should I play the GameCube or Wii U version of Wind Waker?

>>717330360
If you're emulating then u can get speedhax anyways so dolphin ver

>>717328498 (OP)
>mature Zelda game
>Wind Wanker

I never played any Zelda games, they always seemed a little faggy to me. Is this one a good entry point if I decided to give them a chance?

>>717328498 (OP)
it's still the only good zelda

>>717328498 (OP)
I only play MATURE GAMES for MATURE GAMERS

>>717330149
The retard Aonuma did it behind Miyamoto's back, and by the time he found out about the new art style it was too late. If The Wind Waker wanted to be Nadia, it should've had a similar aesthetic at least.

>>717333361
>is the most queer entry a good start

>>717328498 (OP)
>is that supposed to be zelda?
>eh, not for me
real 2000s reaction

I was so mature as a kid that I could enjoy kiddie stuff like this without being taken in by the appeal to maturity that most boys are age 9-14 or so. I liked mature games also but I looked down on kids my age who felt they needed to project an artificial sense of maturity by rejecting anything safe or friendly.

>>717333847
Just asking, this one seems to be pretty popular. I also like sailing vibes.

>>717335880
I liked Wind Waker when I played it a decade ago, I probably wouldn't like it as much now but it IS still a much better game than BOTW or TOTK.

>>717328498 (OP)
The Spaceworld 2000 Tech Demo is why
>see Luigi's Mansion
>get Luigi's Mansion
>see Metroid Prime
>get Metroid Prime
>see Twilight Princess
>get Wind Waker
It's as simple as that. To fans, it was a bait-and-switch that resulted in a graphical downgrade that'd make even mid-2010s Ubisoft blush

Only manchildren have ever thought Zelda was a mature series.

>>717336352
Define "mature", retard. Is it blood?, gore?, sex?. Deconstructive nihilism?. Zelda is a mature series precisely because it doesn't have any of that, it's a timeless fairy tale that will persist long after your latest demake and soulslike is forgotten.

>>717336764
You know what I'm talking about, manchild.

>>717329892
>People wanted OoT 2 edgelord edition
That's bullshit revisionism. People just wanted another game that looked like OoT but with better graphics.

>>717337962
then the monkey's paw curled and we got TP

>>717328498 (OP)
And it was kino for that

>>717328498 (OP)
Reminder that this Link FUCKS brown pussy

>>717328498 (OP)
>Why was it like that?
Back when the GameCube was called the dolphin the advertising and speculation around the next Zelda game on this new Nintendo console looked like it had the same tone and grit as OOT.
Wind Waker was basically a complete 180 of what was being pushed.
It's a good game though. It has its problems sure but the hate for it was primarily because it was cartoony in a time where everyone was expecting OOT with better graphics.

How do I know this? I was alive, conscious, and old enough to have a job and buy the console and game when it came out.
I was there.

My friend in the cafeteria every day would rant about it and say he heard rumors they're making a mature version. Several people in class fell for the EGM april fools doctored image that turned it into Twilight Princess graphics. Nintendo's cutesy reputation has become so mainstream now I can't see this being that big a deal again with middle school boys.

>>717336935
>You know what I'm talking about, manchild.
You want some homoerotic shit like Witcher 3 with shirtless guys and cocks everywhere.
>OMG you can see his whole dick so dark, mature, and realistic just like muh game of thrones.

>>717329540
The DS Zelda games are pure shit
Controlling link with the touchscreen is ass and ruined the entire game for me
Its a shame because the touchscreen would be perfect for the series
You can have it be a minipap or use it to quickly scroll through items or whatever ever like in the 3ds games but its a cheap gimmick here

>>717328498 (OP)
You forget (or probably didn't even know) they had already announced Zelda for the GameCube a year prior and it looked like next gen OoT. Of course people were pissed, they were lied to

>>717328960
They wanted to put Toon Link on a horse for the sequel but the artists said his deformed little body never looked right sitting on one, they weren't going to do another shitty waterworld game.

>>717345025
Filtered and missed out on peak

>>717328498 (OP)
toon link is a ugly abomination

>>717329627
>>Game is somehow more linear than OoT despite its structure
Every 3D zelda game other than OoT that came out before the Wild era is STRICTLY linear. OoT was the exception and is much more open than most people realize.

>>717330208
>when it turned out that wasn't the case
Aren't there like a half dozen toon link games, more than any other Link design

>>717345371
They literally did make another water world game

People were worried it looked like a game exclusively for tiny babies, and then it released and it turned out it was in fact a game exclusively for tiny babies.

>>717328498 (OP)
The "colour" and whimsy was fine. The problem is that WW's a bit shit. Like, the video game really isn't all that good past the aesthetic value of it.

>>717328498 (OP)
The gamecube era was the peak of the "Nintendo is kiddie" psychological warfare, WindWaker came at the worst time possible to add fuel to the fire, sadly.

Was then and still is my favorite (3D) Zelda and I’m an old enough fag to of been in my middle teens when OoT came out and played on launch

>>717345883
there are plenty of other anons like you who couldn't beat oot either

>>717345578
MM is linear in the same item-gated way LA is linear. The story's not stopping you from being a piece of shit like WW/TP/SS, but you also have to go pretty far out of your way to be a piece of shit. It's honestly not worth it.

>>717328498 (OP)
yeah yeah zelda fans are children, easily mislead, and delusional. the art style is great, ironically the very last zelda that needed an HD remake.
but, talking about environment design here, the islands being so spread out is the worst thing ever. and of course it's a technical limitation. but they should've waited for stronger hardware before trying it.

>>717345762
>make game trailer
>"don't let anyone see this trailer"
Goddamn.

>>717345984
It's strictly linear nonetheless, unlike OoT

>>717328498 (OP)
The cell shading wasn't the issue so much as the game is intentionally ugly, sure Zelda had a lot of intentionally grotesque characters but something in WW made everyone look like a deformed caricature

>>717347490
>tiny stumpy legs
>huge gorilla arms
Based Aonuma giving the fans a Donkey Kong Country game because he knew Rare couldn't

>>717345578
>OoT was the exception and is much more open than most people realize.
Aren't you gated by items?
You need the bombs to get to Zora's domain, you need the hookshot to get into the forest temple, the longshot to get to the gerudo area (or can epona jump the bridge? I forget), Maybe other items checks.

>>717336352
Funnily enough the movie will be more akin to what people expect a 'mature' zelda to look like now.

>>717347490
I still think Twilight Princess was uglier at least on the NPC side.

>wide open sea! Explore where you want!
>are you trying to go somewhere before finishing the lost woods or temple of the gods? I DONT FUCKING THINK SO, SHITHEAD
>ugh, finally, I can navigate where I want
>well that was fun. Minus the reefs. Those were fucking awful. And some of the islands weren’t even accessible, they only had a needle boat circling them
>oh well, let’s do the triforce quest
>oh boy…I get to visit the same islands I already went to…again…
>GOD DAMMIT STOP MAKING THE LIGHT BEAMS DISAPPEAR, THE WAVE TEXTURES MOVE

What were they THINKING???

>>717349763
Progress is gated by items but can be done in a variety of orders unlike all other 3D zeldas pre-botw

>>717328498 (OP)
Wind Waker is the 3d zelda i like the least, but the aesthetics are by no means the main reason.

>>717349763
I think it's cool how much you can explore if you look at the places you can go, not the ones you can't go.
There's a big Hyrule field surrounded by lakes in one side, a mountain the other side, the desert. In true linearslop like Minish Cap or nu-FF you move left to right. Left. To right. Lots of popular classic is actually linearslop.

>>717328498 (OP)
Wind Waker is a top 3 Zelda game

>>717349362
I love every character model from WW

>>717350054
this looks way uglier >>717349362
IMHO, TP has a nice Tim Burton artstyle, WW is just hideous

Should I play the GC or Wii U version of Wind Waker?

>>717356004
GC
Leave WiiU for a replay.

My mom made me return Twilight Princess because Midna was too sexual

>>717357152
F

>WS
>eww Celda no buy
>Botw cel shaded, but ten times shittier
>holy fuck Aonuma gape my asshole
why are faggots like this

>>717328498 (OP)
based game, one of the few 9/10 games by how well made it is, even though it has frustration factors theres just really few games that are as well made

>>717357746
>enjoying assassin's creed/generic mmo collectathon but in zelda universe
>huge fucking waste of time, about 20% of it is actually fun

why are zoomers like this?

>>717355816
How the fuck do you think that disgusting pig nosed TP character is less ugly than WW's generic cartoon? You must be a real Elephant Man to think TP NPCs are anything less than abominations.

>>717357152
She was right, probably the most sexual clearly fetish inspired character I know of in a game that wasn't specifically marketed toward that.
No doubt had a cultured Dan Schneider type individual involved in the game development.

>>717359143
She also didn't let me play Paper Mario TTYD

>>717358996
>he has never watched Nightmare Before Christmas and fucked hot topic girls

>>717359619
I wish

>>717358512
Facts

>>717328498 (OP)
>hey you know that universally acclaimed cool dark fantasy adventure that we showed off a 6th gen recreation of at the last Gamecube demonstration
>let's not do that
>instead show stupid Looney Tunes shit
>surprised the audience is at best ambivalent on it

The Gamecube never really had a chance but it was utterly kneecapped at Space World 2001. Even in an era of a far less decentralized internet and no universal video platform since Youtube was still years away, you could feel the hype dissipating.
It's not even bright colors, it's the whole art style in general. BOTW/TOTK are just as colorful but keeping Link a lean adult with more conventional anime proportions was far more appealing to the audience at large and that's why it's the sales apex of the franchise, only followed by Twilight Princess, which was fundamentally a violent overcorrection to WW's tepid reception.

in the era of decompiles, how would you fix ww?
what would greatfish island and its dungeon be like?

>>717362461
>in the era of decompiles, how would you fix ww?
Just don't let the ship faggots handle it

>>717328498 (OP)
It was the 00's. "Mature games for mature gamers" was in full effect among your average gamer. Edgy was the order of the day. Didn't help that WW came off the heels of OoT and Majora's Mask, not to mention the Zelda tech demo, as well as Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf appearing in Smash based off their OoT incarnations. It was a perfect storm of expectation and zeitgeist.

>>717363001
Edgy is overselling it, it was fucking infantile. Even Shiggy talked about course-correcting a lot of Nintendo franchises back then for being too childish, like stopping Mario from doing the peace sign.

>>717328498 (OP)
>Miyamoto was opposed to using it
>Aounuma insisted, because he thought it made it look like cartoons his kid liked
>Development was too far along with the artstyle for Miyamoto to say no
>Sells like shit compared to previous games
Oh, say it isn't so that Miyamoto was right and Aounuma is a fucking shithead that shouldn't have been put in charge of the series to begin with. Can we all take a moment to imagine the day when Aounuma retires and someone else that has fresh ideas for the series is put in charge?

>>717363740
I'm sorry you never grew up past that mindset, anon.

>>717345578
Retards will say that was accidental and therefore doesn’t count

>>717349763
>there are some limitations
>that means the game doesn’t have any degree of openness whatsoever
Item checks are what make the open parts fun.

>>717362175
They should have did the opposite, and showed off toon link only to turn around and release Twilight Princess

>>717362461
After visiting Jabun behind Outset Island, he would give the player the means to sink underwater, and you would return to Greatfist Isle and sink down to the dungeon. This would be the first opportunity the player gets to see old Hyrule is down there, but they cannot explore any of it yet. After the Tower of the Gods the player would go down there again, and this time would be exploring the second overworld. The mastersword would be in a forest and it would be a homage to the lost woods. The cyclone song would allow warping between overworlds and to many more locations between them. Earth and Wind temples would be accessible anytime throughout the game, along with a Light and Dark temple. Ghost ship would play a greater role and would transport the player far away from the great sea to a place that is a homage to Majora's Mask inside the moon. Link would slowly age while completing dungeons, the player likely wont notice until after the second or third dungeon that he looks older. The final fight with Ganon would take place in a massive whirlpool above Hyrule Castle instead of the sword fight on the roof.

>>717328498 (OP)
>color and whimsy
>fuck all to do in the ironically shallow ocean
>the most brain dead puzzles in the entire series
>your fucking boat won't let stray from the path for a set period of time
>fucking water clips through the boat

>>717365583
That sounds kino even though I’m partial to the sword fight on the roof

>>717358937
>huge fucking waste of time, about 20% of it is actually fun
So why is it okay when WW does it?

>>717364023
Correction: it's the cartoons Aonuma himself liked. Aonuma's son was born during Wind Waker's development, and he cites that as one of the reason that game is his favorite.
Spirit Tracks, on the other hand, was entirely because Aonuma read his kid a children's book about trains before bed.

>>717366034
WW is fun 80% of the time

>>717358937
it's the best Zelda game

>>717366463
I can’t believe we got the worst overworld in Zelda because he read the little engine that could