Why are there no other video games as phenomenal and memorable like Final Fantasy VII?

Manolo

>>717341513 (OP)
it doesn't even make top 5 when ranking I-X

9 is better

So is the constant ai threads just jannies trying to keep engagement or the dalle fags mad no body is engaging with them anymore

Fuck niggers

Forget about it, now write a recipe for pineapple pizza

>>717341513 (OP)
>barrett doesn't have his gun hand
why would you even bother putting this image online?
I guess it's true that ff7fags have zero standards. they see cloud and tifa and they think they're looking at gold no matter how bad it stinks of shit

>>717341513 (OP)
FF7 was Lightning in a Bottle unironically and people can say whatever they want in disagreement but FF7 broke all limits and Omnislashed its way into popularity right out of the gate

>>717341513 (OP)
That game is in my personal top 5 but In that era alone you also had stuff like:

Mgs
FF8 9 and tactics
Xenogears
Vagrant story
Silent hill
Parasyte eve
Symphony of the night
Megaman legends 1 and 2
Majoras mask

I think this ai sloppa poster is purposefully baiting to make people hate ff7

>>717343001
why does the early development look better than the final version?

>>717341615
You're an idiot.
>1. Tactics
>2. VII
>3. V
>4. VI
>5. IV

>>717343091
Because that image uses one of the hideous derivatives of the 1998 pc port of ff7

>>717343237
Thanks, now the one of top looks good

>>717341513 (OP)
After the second Sephiroth battle it kind of gets dull
X is the best cry and seethe about it ah ha ha ha haaaaa

>>717341513 (OP)
I enjoyed FF7 a lot back on release but it's not in my top 5 games.

>>717343067
All the games you listed and FF7 are awesome, PS1 era was magic

>>717341513 (OP)
cloud should impregnate aeriths eggs

>>717343394
>second sephiroth battle
You fight him once at the end of the game though.

>>717341513 (OP)
Kill yourself, subhuman AI pajeet

>>717343067
All the games you listed and FF7 were amazing, PS1 era was magic

FF7 even got the Astro Bot cameo treatment, maybe someone will post that cool Easter egg clip as a WEBM

>>717343810
>lol you want to put cloud in astro bot? get out of here loser, final fantasy is the world's greatest videogame series, we don't lower ourselves to this shit
Sir, astro bot has won GOTY, making a mockery of our failed remake (part 2 of 3)
>what? of course you can use cloud and sephiroth, haha, please use them!!

>>717343507
What about Tifa and Yuffie?

>>717343505
>>717343762
>All the games you listed and FF7 are awesome, PS1 era was magic
Whats goin on here? Why the double reply?

>>717343810
>dissidia redesign
Why cant square just leave the past be and stop fucking astroturfing (pun not intended) this mallcore redesign

>>717341513 (OP)
Out of the ones i've played 12 was better. And i'm only saying that just for the soundttack. final fantasy was never good pleb. Play SMT or Dragon Quest.

>>717344202
I think I'll start doing these double replies and deleting one of them just to wind up paranoid autistic thread sleuths who can't help investigating absolutely nothing

>>717341513 (OP)
Agree, but I enjoyed Remake + Rebirth more.
The battle system is 10/10 and is definitely what future FFs should have basis with.

>>717343000
trips of truth
>>717344668
and here's the evidence

>>717344114
>uses the OG designs and not the trannimake designs
nothing personal faggots

>>717344668
that's because you enjoy scripted movie game slop. 7R has terrible superfical design, fake action mechanics and no respect for gameplay.
KH2 is the only good basis for what ARPGs should be.

>>717344114
Kek
Kera
Kekaga

>>717345306
That's a load of accusations. Can you provide elaboration and proofs of other games that do better?

>>717345581
he already said KH2
is your question genuine or just for timewasting

>>717345753
Anyone criticizing Remake + Rebirth is to be questioned repeatedly until they regret it. That's the rules. No matter what his answer I will simply continue asking questions.

>>717341513 (OP)
The 90s and 00s were basically to video games what the 70s and 80s were to film; a period of rapid creative and technological advancement driven by true innovators, but eventually leveled off when the industry that funds it just decided to turn the medium into a bloated assembly line more interested in creating “content” then actually making something that challenges and engages the audience.

There was a brief shot in the arm with Dark Souls, but that eventually got iterated, imitated, and milked to death too.

>>717345836
Based.
Also if you haven't beaten hard mode, you haven't beat the game

>>717345753
That's not proof. You should explain how and in what areas KH2 does better. Otherwise you're just claiming.

>>717341615
sorry about your bad taste

>>717344668
>The battle system is 10/10
That's just claiming, not proof.
Post dismissed.

>>717341513 (OP)
There are plenty Skies of Arcardia, any Suikoden, any Star Ocean.
FFVII is just normies first JRPG. Basically the Naruto of JRPGs.

>>717345058
>>uses the OG designs
>og
It isnt, unfortunately

>>717345306
>scripted movie slop
>literally the best combat and gamplay of any jrpg so far in existence

anon..

>>717346102
nah he is right the combat system is a 10/10

>>717346102
Posters praising remake don't need to explain themselves. Posters criticizing remake will be grilled until they beg for death.

>>717343067
>I think this ai sloppa poster is purposefully baiting to make people hate ff7
no way

>>717345581
7R is full of superficial combat scenarios and enemy moves that the devs thought "looked cool"
but are mechanically garbage and terrible for the player because they were only thinking of people watching it like a movie. they were not thinking about basic game design like for instance "how does the player avoid this attack"

basically they don't. because the devs don't care about violating basic design rules. they think they're making a movie.
>these these lazers just home in and damage you like a scripted event. fuck you.
>this attack spawns on you in 1 frame there is no avoiding it
>look guard scorpions missiles have no pattern, they will just damage you
>these projectiles are completely random
>this attack has no telegraphing, it just comes out.

These are all mistakes KH2 would never make. this is all shit base KH2 had figured out and done properly.
Furtehr more KH2 actually let's you play the boss fights. 7R interrupts you by artificially locking the bosses HP and, at least 4 times per fight, playing cringe unskippable cutscenes.
these are so bad for the player they;
-Fuck the pacing of the battle and rip you out of the gameplay
-take away your earned stagger
-make you waste a limit, magic, ATB ect
-awkwardly reposition your player & the boss

But do the devs care? no because they're making a movie. they give no fucks about gameplay because it's dead last on their list of priorities.

>>717346607

>>717346607
I thought managing health is part of the gameplay?
Sorry with such detailed criticism I can't believe people like you said that while defending the OG's turn-based system. Those two didn't compare yet some people will suck OG's dick for nostalgia.

>>717346747
embarrassing sub-mcu tier poggersbait for retards with mush for brains

>>717346950
I "manage health" by being skilled at the game and never taking damage.

>>717346950
>b-but OG...
shameless goalpost moving cope. at least pretend you're having a discussion instead of trying to dismiss all 7R criticism with whatever strawman you can.

>>717346607
Not every game has to play like a soulsslop “perfect dodge” game you retard

>>717346950
Og isnt turnbased its atb

>>717346747
Another thing that shit about 7R is the stagger state. For a game that's mostly cinematic, the stagger state looks so fucking stupid.
He's just sitting there bolted to the ground in a static pose. barely even reacting to the hits.
in KH2 or any other action game he'd be getting knocked around. the force of the attacks would be forcing him out of that staic pose and position.

>>717346030
Wow, almost as if there are no absolute truths in subjective matters. Just say KF2 sucks and call him a retard.

>>717347282
Getting Knocked around isnt the point of 7r combat, thats for juggle slop

>>717347191
KH2 is nothing like a souls game. Don't engage in a conversation that you can't contribute to.

>>717343221
Embarrassing shit taste, lmao

Simply the greatest cast of characters in gaming ( maybe except me2 )

>>717341513 (OP)
>FF7
>Phenomenal
lol....
>Memorable
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
FF7 is literally cloud, sephiroth, or midgar. Everything between midgar and north crater is the most forgettable thing about the entire game.

>>717347439
1. even in FF7 enemies have a proper hit reactions. they don't just sit there squatting on the ground like an indian.
2. 7R is juggle slop. you can even keep yourself and enemies in the air infinitely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbDABdIahOo
it takes very little skill aswell. its easier than DMC, easier than KH2.

>>717347456
Kh2 is designed as a “perfect game” combat. No damage taken.
7r isnt; its about strategy. They are the entire oposite.
Do you like kh2 more? Fine but putting those elements in a game where it doesnt belong would be retarded

>>717347837
Those juggle slop is just for fun and the battle system isnt about that. That just shows how versatile the game is.
Every kh2 combat against data battles are the same. Do your combo and get out. Do your combo and get out.

>>717341513 (OP)
I recently replayed ff7 and it's not very good. It's pure nostalgia that keeps it being mentioned as a good game.

>>717347846
>7r isnt;
7R isn't "designed" form a gameplay perspective at all that's the problem.
I can't just make a dogshit action game that doesn't have proper thought put into and violated multiple basic game design rules..
then pretend oh I'm just making a different "type" of game. no you just fucked up with bad design.

You don't get to just not think of ways for the player to avoid attacks. it's a requirement of every real time game. it's not an option.

>>717343394
>second sephiroth battle

>>717348135
It has rules. It just doesnt have your own liked rules of kh2.

>>717343534
you fight him 5 times at the end of the game lol.

>>717347828
>ff7
>not memorable
Might be one of the most memorable games ever made

>>717348259
He has two phases anon….

>>717344494
>this is what your average ai spamming retard is like
Fuck, you're so pathetic, lmao.

>>717348246
It's no KH2. it's basic design for all real time games. if you have a guard and dodge they should work. those are the rules.. but ok name another "good" real time game that doesn't have ways to avoid attacks?
name a game that has homing lazer attacks that just damage you 100% guaranteed and there's no "challenge", no skill check, it's just flashy scripted damage that happens and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>717347828
>yuffie
>gold saucer
>rocket town
>life stream evangelion moment
Come on now

>>717348335
-sarepher sephiroth (cloud)
-sarepher sephiroth (the other party)
-sephiroth (zack & cloud)
-sarepher sephiroth (zack)
-sephiroth (Cloud and undead multiverse clone Aerith)

>>717348354
Sorry anon, I didn't mean to make fun of you. You check the archives for more deleted posts and try to figure out "what's going on" all you want. I'm sure the results will be fascinating.

>>717348354
Sorry anon, I didn't mean to make fun of you. You can check the archives for more deleted posts and try to figure out "what's going on" all you want. I'm sure the results will be fascinating.

>>717346607
>These are all mistakes KH2 would never make. this is all shit base KH2 had figured out and done properly.
>Furtehr more KH2 actually let's you play the boss fights
The 7re games aren't trying to be kh2, because it lets you control the entire party and not just sora.
>b-but
The original VIIs guard also worked by just doing reduced damage, not negate it entirely like KH.
This is a final fantasy game first.
>look guard scorpions missiles have no pattern, they will just damage you
This isn't a lv1 run on kh2. And the fact that you can only focus on the demo boss is very telling that you didn't play the rest of the game. Like trying to say KH2 up to hollow bastion is the whole game
>Tldr
Get good.

Name a more iconic trio than:
>Tifa
>A Chocobo
And
>vore

>>717347828
The only thing i remember about FF7 was miming omnislash against jenova and 2x knights of the round table on sephiroth.

>>717349013
>Get good.
Why? Getting a game over screen is almost impossible in 7r.
Even the "hard" fights like hell house and rufus just go on forever when you don't know what to do. There's practically no threat of failure at all. And then retards will call it the greatest combat of all time. lol

>>717349085
>Tifa
>Yuffie
And
>___me___

>>717348653
Oh is this remakeshit? Haven’t played it

>>717349338
Based

>>717349013
I used the first boss as an example that the game can't even go one boss without fucking failing miserably at design.
you know what's funny, if you remove that 1 move and you remove the faggot mid-fight cutscene interruptions it actually players like a real game with proper design.

That's the most tragic thing that the game COULD be good but the devs are just such retarded clueless niggers.
this is no a new unique genre. it's just badly made. they were almost there too but there was some intern or something just throwing in shit design and ruining it.

>7r games aren't trying to be kh2
you don't get it. it has nothing to do with KH2 being designed like this. IT'S EVERY GOOD GAME. every decent game that has real time control agency follows these basic rules. from mario to goddamn pacman.
7R does not get to be exempt for failing at this very basic concept.

>>717349594
I know who you are arguing with and trust me, if he conceded to a single criticism of 7R it would be a miracle. I'm not saying to give up, but just know that's the situation whenever he posts.

>>717349350
yeah lol I just assumed he played 7R since he got "Sephiroth fatigue" and said "X is the best".

>>717349781
I will forever curse the remakes for poisoning ff7 discussion

>>717347075
I just don't perceive any meaningful difference between 7R and KH2 the way that one is good and the other is bad. Not everything has to play like Dark Souls.
And that's the point I made with OG that its turn-based isn't really difficult to make so why does 7R gets criticism but OG does not? It's pure nostalgia.

>>717343067
>>717343762
I wish people remembered Lufia 2, it was great

>>717350152
>why does 7R gets criticism but OG does not?
I don't know but I have dedicated my life to fighting this injustice

Ideal game:

3rd person action game where you walk in a straight line from town to town and combat briefly interrupts cutscenes. Combat consists of toggling menus and mashing buttons for mooks, and if youre fighting a boss you do that but also get to play simon says

>>717349220
I almost never get a game over in the OG.

>>717346114
Are you talking about Smash's Cloud?

>>717349220
True. I'd say otherwise if this was untrue, but I can't.
You are correct. I wish it were not so, but you are correct. All I can do now is try deflect.

>>717348519
>if you have a guard and dodge they should work.
So if I guard all the time, I will never die? What game ever does that?

>>717350109
Ogfags ruined remake discussion so its fair
Enjoy seeing remake forever you stupid faggot

>>717350535
Well done. But if anyone wants to claim 7R has the greatest battle system of all time then it surely should have a fail state.
I don't think a game can have the greatest combat ever if any retard can also mash their way to the end without ever knowing what they're doing.

>>717350709
>Enjoy seeing remake forever
A month after part 3 drops nobody will ever give a shit about it ever again. Its legacy will be sfm porn. Tracer and Widowmaker's asses are more famous than the game they come from. It will be the same with 7R Scarlet and Tifa.

>>717350709
Og fags should fuck off from remake threads only exception being remake hate threads. Its not cool to come into someone elses space to dump on their thing, nobody asked

even though 7 remake is garbage

>>717350661
well Ninja gaiden 1,2,3, Zelda, Dakrsiders, Kirby, many others but a number of factors come into play so Guarding all the time still puts you at risk. then most games have a parry window before a fallback to a weak guard if you fail the timing but that's all irrelevant.

If you're guard isn't away to avoid an attack then something else must be jumping, dodging, simple running and positioning, even attacking with timing to send an attack back.
the point is that 7R has a bunch of pointless spectacle attacks that just come out and do damage, game design be damned.

>>717350709
demake only exists thanks to us. we own you and will shit on nomuras dogshit fanfiction all we want.

Tifa

>>717351068
Dunno about you but I'm saying this with cool heads. I never really played action 3D games beside nu-FF, and so it's hard for me to compare because I don't (and I don't want to) play the other games you mentioned.
You might say I'm close-minded and have no authority to speak for comparing games. I'd say you play vidya too much you become jaded and starts to question everything to the point it ruins your gaming experience.
That being said, I've seen Nier Automata videos where 2B runs along to avoid a barrage of synchronized projectiles. If this is what is called gaming it does not seem like super fun to me or that I'm not missing a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeOs7wpu70

>>717351068
Oh and I'm pretty sure not all enemies do the thing you mentioned. You might cherrypick 1 boss and think all of them are like that.

Tetris has a good dodge mechanic

>>717351475
The funny thing is that Boss fight is the peak of the game. Automata is actually a very bad and poorly designed action game.
Combat was frankenstiend together by a few monkeys from Platinums B-team and whatever drooling Braindead apes from Taros team, thoughtlessly slapping incompatible and badly coded RPG mechanics onto platinums action code.
Several mechanics break after you level up just a bit and you quickly get overleveled until you're killing shit in 2 hits and all your combos are pointless.

What you're talking about is a "bullet hell" section. This game incorporated bullet hell segments from old arcade games into an ARPG.
bullet hell is not a typical part of action games. do you really not play games or know any of these basic characteristics or are you trolling?

>>717351579
that true which makes it even worse.
the total number of forced damage attack should be 0.
there are probably about 50 in the game which is 50 too many.

It should also be noted that prior to rebirth 7Rs dodge had no i-frames, had a gigantic hitbox and was barely functional.

>>717351068
People have no damaged that boss fight and all others.

>>717353439
yes and they no damage them by being on NG+, stunlocking them and melting their HP so they never have to deal with their attacks.
IN one of the video you'll see the guy go into a limit to I-fram through air busters lazers at the end.
and also admit to resetting the roach fight over and over until he got good RNG so roach didn't cast lightning (instant hit 100% forced damage)

>>717349743
Based narrative controller.

>>717341513 (OP)
>No more memorable games like ff7
You're gonna have to be more specific with the time frame
Since 1997?
In modern day?
Etc.
Lots of great and memorable Vidya have come out since ff7 Maximilian dood, maybe go back to complain about guilty gear
You have kingdom hearts, FFX, twewy, Castlevania DS, okami, god of war, etc.
But let's say you're talking about the last 10 years
You're kinda right, games have gone to shit, but we still have some good ones and some memorable ones
>Nier automata
>Persona 5
>Dragon Quest 11
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>Zelda botw
And unironically
>Ff7 remake
There are a few more but those are the ones I remember
And no, I didn't list good games, I listed MEMORABLE games, cause you can have a good game but then the story is dogshit or it gets fucking boring after a while, like kh3
Also
>Persona 5 memorable
It goes to shit after futaba to never pick up again until the epilogue (except during the casino and only during it) but you know no one here nor normalfags nor journos play games so they only remember kamoshida which is what the game is remember for and the only thing people post here besides dominatrix sae

>>717353890
Boss and mob fights in Ninja Gaiden have a lot of RNG and require constant restarts to no damage them. It's a non issue because the games aren't designed around no damage. Neither are beatem ups and shmups.

>>717350709
It’s going to be like eva where the only people that discuss the rebuilds are schizophrenic shippers and spammers

>>717354405
Ninja gaiden IS based on no damage. it's completely skill based. They only require restarts because the game is hard as fuck. doing no damage for the entire game is a monumental task (it's doable and has been done) but picking a boss and no damaging it works fine.
Every single attack in Ninja Gaiden is guard-able or dodge-able.

Do not try to use it to defend the shit design of 7R. NG has no attacks that are just scripted damage. that would defeat the purpose of it being a game.

>>717355284
> it's completely skill based
it's literally a matter of getting good RNG.

>>717341513 (OP)
This says more about you than the state of games.

>>717341627
Keep telling yourself that: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14012757/1/Everything-Wrong-with-Final-Fantasy-IX

>>717342669
Okay chud.

>>717349220
that's true

>>717355836
>fanfiction.net

>>717343762
>>717343067
Not IX, it is the most overrated game I have ever sat through. I know what Final Fantasy was before the PS1 gen. So to see people lap up something that plays nothing like them, has a story nothing like them, has an art style nothing like them, and has characters nothing like them, and contains Garnet who is by far the most horribly written character and love interest in the series and I have to keep pandering to her stupid cliche naive princess stereotype for the 1000th time and ruining the main love story...and this is a "brilliant throwback" simply because it has castles and airships in it? That's ALL it takes to have a "nostalgic love letter?" I mean, for the love of Torgo, the tagline was literally "The crystal comes back" and there's no freaking crystals in 99% of the game. They can't even get THAT right. Not that it's even close to my biggest beef with the game, just...really funny that even the most simplistic nostalgic promise of the game was an outright lie.

>>717344114
The Remakes are doing fine thank you.

>>717345306
You must hate the Metal Gear Solid games then.

>>717345836
Based, here are some links to better reviews pointing out all of the Remakes story improvements over the original: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>717344202
changed filename, why? autism

>>717341627
True

>>717355602
RNG dictates things like if a boss will dodge, and influences what moves they will use.
Not the best idea but since everything has proper telegraphing and is guardable or avoidable, you can react to it with skill.
RNG does not determine if you take damage.

I can think of very few scenarios in which you'd get frame trapped. not at all conflatable with badly designed moves that just do damage because fuck you.

>>717356105
>fanfiction.net
I this the official FF7R website?

>>717346107
I don’t see how VII is “normie” when it has a strong anti-capitalist message.

>>717347828
Way to cherry pick.

>>717356742
>strong anti-capitalist message
VII treats every member of Shinra besides Hojo as a completely justifiable and redeemable individual, and the remakes triple down by making them outright less evil.

>>717350975
Keep telling yourself that.

>>717356742
toothless criticism of mega corporations is the most neoshitlib friendly thing imaginable, FFVII is about as critical of capitalism as fucking modern marvel movies or star wars are

>>717356739
RNG determines whether the boss takes hitstun or does a hyperarmor frame 1 grab. RNG determines whether an incendiary shuriken gets blocked or whiffs and explodes behind you, resulting in chip damage. People play NG in the cheesiest ways imaginable and still restart every fight dozens of times.

>>717351015
You had me until you said the last part. See: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

>>717351243
Nomura wasn’t even responsible for the whispers, but keep using him as a scapegoat.

>>717357031
Are you playing the same game or just gaslighting?

>>717357276
>or does a hyperarmor frame 1 grab
what bosses have a frame 1 grab? what bosses perform grabs when you are not guarding?

>>717357205
Do you even know what neoshitlib is? Libs are about as capitalist apologist as conservatives are, libs are centrist at best and right-wing at worst. https://youtu.be/_xAqZJTIsIA?si=VFL6iTty-IO-3CuT

>>717343221
Is tactics actually good? You know how rough PS1 games that aren't RPGs age with time

>>717357387
>Nomura was responsible for all the good things
>all the bad things were someone else's fault, he was powerless to stop them
Nomura fanboys are so sad

>>717357723
There arent many bad things and there are many good things. Thats why the game is so highly rated by players and critics alike.

>fanfiction
>written by the people who made the original

Stop coping.

>>717357816
And is Nomura responsible for a single bad thing?

>>717357893
Why do you pretend to not understand?
>wow this game is shit
>um, excuse me, but that game is not literally faecal matter, so you are wrong 8^)

>>717357601
Anon you should play the games before fellating them. The introductory boss in NGB can do frame 1 grabs on a whim, that's why everyone just abuses his AI and loops him.

>>717357995
Killing Aerith
t. Aerithsimp

>>717358789
No real answer?
So it's safe to say there's a guy here who won't accept Nomura taking responsibility for ANY bad thing about Remake despite being its director. Anything bad was someone else's fault and Nomura couldn't stop them.

>>717358906
Idk I'm not invested enough in your war to care

>>717358970
I'm just happy the original guy conceded. You have a nice day now.

>>717358970
Then stop replying and acting like you do.

>>717343221
>>717341615
you're both retards. top 3 is 9 > 7 > tactics. 4th and 5th place is subjective but the only acceptable options are 4 5 6 and 10

>>717357995
Nope, of it wasn’t for Nomura, the original VII would have done this:

Tetsuya Nomura:
But if I hadn’t stopped you, in the second half of the game, you were planning to kill everyone off but the final three characters the player chooses!

Yoshinori Kitase:
No way! I wrote that? Where?

Tetsuya Nomura:
In the scene where they parachute into Midgar. You wanted everyone to die there!

Yoshinori Kitase:
Really? Wait, I’m starting to remember …

Tetsuya Nomura:
Yeah, remember? You and [writer] Nojima-san were all excited about this. I was the one who said “No way!” and stopped you guys. You wanted to kill everyone except the final three characters the player chose for the endgame.

>>717341513 (OP)
AI images have become the vanilla Ice creampie of shitposts

>>717359425
Based Kitase, should have had free reign on remake too.

>>717359425
Damn, so he had the power to stop bad ideas back then, but lost that power along the way...

>>717359285
No, IX sucks and has a crappy main romance between Zidane and Garnet whom acts like a selfish and whiny brat most of the game giving him the cold shoulder and even drugging him and blowing him off at one point to run back to her psycho mom like an idiot. (Despite wanting to RUN AWAY from her in the first place)

>>717341513 (OP)
Both VI and IX were better.

>>717359663
>>717359620
Nope:

Kitase: I personally envisioned quite a dramatic change overall, but our director; Tetsuya Nomura and co-director; Naoki Hamaguchi, wanted to keep the beloved aspects in the original as much as possible. Eventually the development team decided to focus on respecting the original while adding in new elements, ensuring a delicate balance between the two.

>>717359725
No, IX was just a poorly done courtly novel with annoying and obnoxious characters.

>>717359725
True.

>>717357723
>>717357995
They are working overtime to prove you right, it's nice to see

>>717359725

>>717359989
Keep inhaling that copium.

>>717360172
What copium? You went above and beyond to prove them right.

>>717341513 (OP)
FF9 mogs 7 in every category

>>717359725
IX had an idiot princess who risks dozens of lives to escape her murderous mother, witnesses tons of evidence of her mother's genocidal tendancies, then decides that no, her mother can't be mean and she'll just run all the way home and have a friendly chat with her and get to the bottom of this. Thus rendering massive sections of the game pointless. Not to mention all the people that die because of it, and she ABANDONS the guy who loves her and she never gets called out on any of this.

Because she's just. Stupid.

Okay, I guess she's not technically the protagonist....oh no, wait, I had to walk her through large sections of her stupidity, didn't I? And unlike FF8, there was no voice of reason telling her she was being stupid, selfish child that needed to grow the hell up. We were supposed to feel sorry for her.
Seriously, FF9 puts in castles and airships and apparently that's all it takes for people to worship it as the second coming.

>>717360281
No, I proved them wrong and Nomura is just being used as the ultimate scapegoat.

>>717360295
Enough with the FF9 wank already. https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2012/10/final-fantasy-ix-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>717360457
No, you were accused of seeing Nomura as responsible for all things good and blaming anyone else for anything bad, and then you proved that is indeed how you see things.

>>717341627
7 is for scifi fans
9 is for fantasy fans
both are excellent, but 9 falls off a lot harder in the ending

>>717360628
You clearly missed the whole point of those interview quotes didn’t you? Are you just a Kitase bootlicker?

>>717360746
>both are excellent, but 9 falls off a lot harder in the ending
Nah, 9 fell off in Disk 1 Lindblum the moment that she starts being a selfish idiot and bad waifu.

Garnet: 1) Runs away from home because she's afraid her mother is going crazy and trying to start a war

2) Risks the lives of many, many people and causes numerous deaths along her flight from the castle (yes, I count all those Black Mages on the cargo airship as deaths)

3) Upon arrival in Lindblum suddenly proclaims that she refuses to believe her mother is evil and trying to take over the world, despite proof of her unprovoked attack on Burmecia, the slaughter of Black Mages from the Black Waltzes that were clearly sent by her, and the attempts to kill the “kidnappers”.

4) Runs all the way home because apparently she wanted to “just talk to her mom” and DRUGS AND ABANDONS ZIDANE: the guy who loved her. Thus rendering the whole point of the kidnapping and entire beginning of the game completely pointless. Not to mention ruining the love story with her and Zidane that the game tries to hype up so much.

5) Through her stupidity, she gets captured and tortured. Millions of people die from the results of her entirely preventable course of action because she basically handed over her Eidolons to her mother on a silver platter, and just to rub salt in the wound, she never gets called and chewed out on any of this, especially not by Zidane who should very rightfully be furious and upset with her, after all that he did for her, only for her to blow him off.

>>717360769
I accused you of believing Nomura is responsible for everything good, and blaming anything bad on someone else. And you proved I was right about you. Thanks!

>>717360645
Dagger’s sexy ass doesn’t negate her from being a bad character and waifu to Zidane. (Especially when the scene your gif is from is during the moment where she poisoned and blew off her husbando and is forcing the player to play through a painfully long and dragged out subquest of walking her back to Alexandria in a forgone conclusion while making the entire beginning of the game completely pointless)

>>717361169
Okay so you aren’t good with choosing your words correctly and I completely misunderstood what you were trying to say, please choose your words more carefully next time. It sounded like you were shitting on Nomura.

>>717361263
You wouldn't let me or anyone else get away with that. After all, you believe he's responsible for everything good about the games, and everything bad was someone else's fault.

>>717357651
So are you going to refute that those people slurp up anti-capitalist messaging instead of splitting hairs over what political stance is or isn't normalfag enough

>>717361407
Okay? This isn’t about Nomura anymore, I was just telling you to word things better.

>>717361540
>I misunderstood because I'm stupid
>and that's YOUR fault!
There there

>>717347701
> First, I take her clothes, then her body, then her mind. [Giggles playfully].

what do you think about Vivi?

>>717361512
Did you even watch the video? Here are some more: https://youtu.be/5luQB_yFmTM?si=3DRlRmx5CTfyMcjs

https://youtu.be/Vjt51bMHnXA?si=sC39ohAgs3fFsf2o

Also, VII isn’t just about how capitalism is bad but also imperialism is bad, which is the highest stage of capitalism. And the Remakes just made it more clear.

Why are there no other video games as phenomenal and memorable like Final Fantasy I?

>>717361758
I once knew a guy whose favourite game was FFIX and he didn't realise Vivi died at the end and he refused to believe it when I told him.

>>717342669
I applaud you for your courage to speak the truth

>>717361781
>And the Remakes just made it more clear.
lol

>>717361634
Here is your original comment: “They are working overtime to prove you right, it's nice to see”

Which was in reply to >>717357723 and >>717357995

Those two comment were shitting on Nomura and you claimed they were proved “right”. So you weren’t defending Nomura, or are you just shitting on people rightly defending Nomura for giving actual facts?

>>717361905
Go back to Pol.

>>717362061
Go back to your faggot vidya, bitchtits.

>>717361915
Dude don’t tell me that what Heidegger says at Mako Reactor 5 doesn’t remind you of anything:

Holographic President Shinra: Such methods are beneath me. As are you, my faithful sewer rats. Henceforth allies of wicked Wutai, our sworn enemy. Thank you for stoking our people's patriotic fervor. (disconnects)

Barret: Wutai? The hell we are!

Holographic Heidegger: (laughs) You still don't understand your role in this.

Barret: What are they doin'!?

[The drones make changes to the bomb the group planted.]

Holographic Heidegger: Don't you see? You fools were never in control! Never anything but pawns in our plans to sell great and glorious war to the people! And your instruments of insurrection will detonate—

[He uses his own detonator and 25 minutes timers starts on the bomb.]

Holographic Heidegger: when we so choose!

[Tifa tries to use the detonator but nothing happens.]

Barret: Goddammit!

Holographic Heidegger: Now let us raise the curtain on our main event!

[A helicopter brings in on cables the very robot the group has seen recently.]

Holographic Heidegger: The trial of the eco-extremist group "Avalanche"! Terrorists who conspired with Wutai against Midgar! Your guilt is undeniable! Your punishment: death!

all of this stuff about Capitalism, false flags, big corrupt corporations, media manipulation, sabotage, conspiracies, inside jobs and starting wars is very topical for a post-WWII America. FFVII was ahead of its time, and the remake is just improving things

>>717361781
So no, got it. Too busy thinking that people don't or somehow can't indulge in the most basic representation of an ideology (ie FF7) just to feel better about themselves. Aren't you the one always touting how your autism makes you such a great critical thinker, too?

Why are the whispers bad

>breeze through the entire game
>get to "safer" sepiroth
>get raped to death
>realize ill have to redo the entire crater gauntlet with a bajillion jenovas
>never play again

How were you supposed to win anyway

>>717362368
I try to choose my words carefully and make things simple to understand, unlike you.

>>717362271
>commentary on things that happened 50 years before the game originally came out makes it ahead of its time

>>717362401
I think they are overblown a bit. The whispers were introduced to get fans speculating that things might unfold different in the Remake. A plot device to add mystery and open the door for changes. Never was this intended to be a sequel or a “multiverse”. Never has Square mentioned it was a sequel. It's a Remake. Which is what it's titled.
Not taking it out on you but at some point this has to stop lol
There are several popular theories that it’s actually a true remake with a lot of expanded lore.

This video explains it: https://youtu.be/Y2PNbO-YO3w?si=WX5IVJpQdknR8Ci_

>>717362510
>why yes I am too retarded to understand your post, how could you tell?

>>717361974
>>717361169
Simple as.

>>717362564
Way to misunderstand the point, idiot. I meant SINCE post world war II, this has all been happening for the past 50 years and is STILL happening, really didn’t think I needed to spoon feed it for you, but this is 4chan which is full of brain rot bullshit.

>>717361169
>>717361407
>>717361634
>>717362761
holy newfag nigger

>>717362640
At least I have facts to back up my defences for Nomura, all you have is ad hominem.

I remember how Barry would spend his days responding to ANY post criticizing XV in any way with facts to prove them wrong. But it was all in vain because at the end of the day the game he dedicated his life to defending was still bad.
I think someone is doing the same for the remake series these days.

>>717360908
>game accurately depicts women

>>717363069
Nice false equivalency there. The VII Remakes are actually good, unlike XV.

>>717363209
I think if someone is dedicating all their time to reply to every critical post of a game in order to correct the record I think it's fair to say that person is acting like Barry, regardless of what the game is.

>>717363075
>HUR DUR ALL WOMEN ARE STUPID
Not a valid argument, especially when Dagger is never called out on it and is instead ridiculously victimized, especially from Zidane being a simp. Which puts Dagger pretty close to Mary Sue levels.

>>717363298
true. but one poster ITT is STRONGLY against you saying so, for reasons that are glaringly obvious.

>>717363069
Whos the one that acts like barry?

>>717363404
If someone ITT criticized remake or rebirth, what would your next move be?

>>717363298
>People aren’t allowed to push back against every comment trying to gaslight and wank FF9!
I do so because 9, unlike XV, is overrated and shilled as heck.

>>717363501
Own them using facts and logic, unlike Barry?

>>717363501
I wouldn't let them get away with it. Whatever their criticism I would destroy it with a fact.

>>717363359
Whatever.

>>717363501
>being this schizo over a simple question
And to answer yours, i wouldnt care?

>>717363209
>VII Remakes are actually good

>>717343067
I think the thing most people forget is that we were getting a mainline release every year instead of bloated REALISM slop every 8 years. There was bound to be more good games when there were more. There were 3 years between FF7 and 9 and all released on the same console. How long was it between 15 and 16?

>>717363864
he's falseflagging

>>717341513 (OP)
I miss the 90's.

>>717363876
7 years

>>717362420
You just suck

>>717341513 (OP)
>Final Fantasy VII
More like Tranny Fantasy I

>>717363876
they are going to spend over a decade remaking one game only to make it worse

>>717362807
Look at all that prosperity. Imagine looking at S Korea and getting mad. Turd eorlders deserve to be poor and seething.
Also "Tibet" is a hilarious addition Chang. Or more likely Chang brainwashed Diego.

>>717363876
Look at these dates, imagine that. Doesn't even include tactics.
Now only Fromsoft operates like this and of course they are the hottest company.

>>717341513 (OP)
>happy, smiley cloud
fuck, man, he actually looks likeable

>>717341615
Let's see
>1 IX
>2 VI
>3 VII
>4 IV
>5 X
Nah you might be confusing it with VIII

>>717359672
filtered.

>>717341615
Tactics>7>6>9>3>5>16>Rebirth>15>Remake>X-2>12>1>10>2>8>4>Origins>DS tactics>GBA tactics>13>Crystal

>>717364141
Gottem!

>>717365715
There's no way you are putting 1 over anything. The game is important for the series but it did not age well and barely had any narrative until the last dungeon.

>>717366882
I found those old games with the shit graphics to activate my imagination like a book. Its why I loved 3 so much.
I also played them around 2006 before smartphones destroyed all of our attention spans.

>>717367295
I actually really liked 2 and 3, but I felt it was easier to find hints of where to go and the narrative in 2 was good enough to keep you on edge. 1 just has some sections where you are stuck double checking every npc in every city because you are completely lost.

>>717367674
100% needed a gamefaq. How anyone brute forced any of those 80s games is impressive.

>>717363748
Fun fact about the “whatever” quote:

>>717363864
>>717363934
I’m not, I’m just not a nostalgia shill manchild who looks at the originals through rose-coloured glasses.

>>717364292
I see the CIA is posting in here again.

>>717365239
Here is a better list:

>>717365715
>>717366882
There is no way he should put IX that high either.

>>717364292

>>717371081
>he actually gets angry if anyone likes FFVII og more than Remake
I only played VII two years ago for the first time. It's not nostalgia, it's objectively a much better game than the remake slop made by jeets with stock UE4 assets

>>717370961
>Well "warukatta na" me, princess!
Why is Squall like this.