Thread 717398453

ITT: Games that have aged horribly

It's more relevant to society than ever.

Filtered by no quick save eh?

>>717398568
The story is fantastic, and the art direction when you consider the time period is actually solid and unique.

But the gameplay?
The gameplay is terrible.

Trial-and-Error platforming gameplay? Precision jumping in a game that 100% does NOT come prepared for precision platforming?

Garbage ragebait. This game should get a resurgence with streamers that stream rage content, it would make so much money for them

>>717398619
Beat the game with 56 mudokens saved, got the good ending, story and art are great and the gameplay has NOT AGED WELL. It's a puzzle platformer with unreasonable expectations of the player.

Literally all of the first run direct-to-console 3D fighting games, yes, even Bloody Roar and Tobal No.1, that were made immediately after the success of Battle Arena Toshinden.

They are irritating to play by today's standards and even I, someone who was alive and gaming when the PS1 was released, call them clunky. They are on no-one's must play or favorite game list.

>>717399591
100%

>>717398453 (OP)
This might as well be the canonical ending at this point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkn_JSvg-Co

>>717398827
ok so you're just bad

>>717398453 (OP)
>very first area has a secret ladder hidden behind a giant barrel
How the fuck was i supposed to know this?

>>717400181
thanks for the spoilers asshole

>>717398947
Very typical of its era, I remember being so excited when I got the Lost World for PSX and then pissed as hell because just the first levels where you play some literally who chicken lizard were ridiculously difficult. I used cheats to play later levels and it was all the same shit. Did any of the devs even finish it?

>>717398453 (OP)
it still looks beautiful to this day

>>717398568
It’s amazing that Lorne Lanning and the communist politics of the last decade in general have managed to suck the fun out of such a creative game. I was open to evil corporation stories during this time period. It was only when leftist dipshits started their current routine in the Feminist Frequency days that anyone started to feel uncomfortable about them.

>>717402210
this. i used to think billionaires were exploiting people but then liberal-feminists got under my skin a little, so now i will protect billionaires with my life.

>>717402561
Good one! I bet you’re a real hero IRL.

>>717398453 (OP)
its a puzzle game, how can it get worse you mong

>>717400381
Playstation
no one called it PSX unless you was like the PSmag

>>717402561
Amen. I used to think Molluck was a villain until I saw an ugly woman of color in a video game I didn't play. Now, because of that I realize he's the hero we need in this insane world and he was right to enslave and eat the mudokons.

>>717400181
You weren’t. That’s kind of the point. Late '90s devs loved that “gotcha” design philosophy. Everything was either a deathtrap or an obscure ass puzzle hidden behind a foreground object no sane person would think to interact with. You were supposed to die there, reload, and magically "learn" to check barrels by trial and error. It was peak “figure it out, loser” gaming.

>>717398827
unironically filtered.

>>717398947
>It's a puzzle platformer with unreasonable expectations of the player
dude, I beat it when I was 10, if anything I want more games like AO

>>717408119
uh no nigger like he said it was a secret. in no way needed to progress the game. it's for completionists and i would bet the devs deliberately leaked solutions to those kinds of things. imagine that before the internet. even if some random retard stumbled on it who could they tell?

>>717409510
>i would bet the devs deliberately leaked solutions to those kinds of things
Lorne was pissed that some magazine had published all the secret locations. The first thing they told you to do was find the secret puzzle behind a barrel on the literal first area, and the puzzle was mid/late-game difficulty hard.

shit taste. oddworld 1 and 2 haven't aged a day, due to the tile based movement and the puzzle nature of it, it's exactpy as playable as it was back then and even more sovlful

>>717400381
lost world was brutal, noone beat that shit without cheats. i rented it a bunch of times though and it was fun with cheats. eating the guys with the velociraptor was fun

Why is Munch's Odyssey hated? I thought it was fun

>>717398827
half the game is figuring out what you need to do, and the other half is trying to execute it. you were filtered and should kys

>>717410451
was just different and more generic. a lot of first 3d titles in series that were previously 2d had the same problem, just teething issues

>>717402561
This but unironically

>>717410451
Munch is so much better its just ugly

>>717402561
Good go- I mean boy.

>>717411272
why are you fags so allergic to class consciousness. why do you always have to attach it to a minority scapegoat

the only thing that has aged horrible is new n tasty and soulstorm
the original two games are timeless you retard

OP is a dumb faggot.

>>717398453 (OP)
Shut up

>>717400181
You talked to people IRL and discussed it. People did that in the 90s.

>>717404787
It's outrageous that anyone thinks enough of you that you get paid to write this shit.

>>717409352
based take desu. devs back then didn’t give a shit about handholding, they just dropped you in the world and expected you to either use your brain or get filtered. honestly refreshing compared to today’s “press X to awesome” design.

>>717398827
The game isn’t that hard if you actually think about what to do in each room for more than 5 seconds. The real bullshit is finding all of the hidden rooms, because there’s usually no indication of where they are. The sequel did this better with the bottles hinting at where the secrets were.

>>717402210
The trouble is that evil corporation stories used to be cool. Nowadays, they’ll just have some soapbox character spouting off communist catchphrases. They’re not well-written anymore.

>>717400181
You can check a map in some places that literally showed you there were hidden rooms

>>717398453 (OP)
At least the game provides some kind of challenge unlike all the kiddy Nintendo platformers.

>>717412056
Except when they didn't have the game or console in which case fuck you.

>>717398453 (OP)
DK64

>>717404787
ZASED and modupilled

>>717398827
>gameplay is terrible
not everything is a dopamine hit lol, actually git gud and go back to playing fortnite or whatever trash idle game

>>717413902
>The real bullshit is finding all of the hidden rooms, because there’s usually no indication of where they are.
do you lack the power of hearing? (are you deaf)

>>717411961
real and real (very true)

>>717409452
>>717410328
these anons get it

>>717398827
>waaaaah mommy where’s my expressive autistic movement platformer where you can bypass the entire level if you use extremely unrealistic jumps and has pretty much 0 level design

Go back to playing your tranny ass platformers lil bro, odd world is an actual game

>>717409510
>he tells two friends

>>717415115
think ill just consider anyone who doesnt like an oddworld game to be not normal

dont play the remasters
they are terrible

stick to emulating the ps1 versions

>>717415115
Ohhh look a tran tran sisters! A literal tran! Oh brother what a sight to behold! I might troon out sisters! It's a tran tran!

>>717398827
It's a puzzle game. That's what these "cinematic platformers" are.

>>717416020
id even go so far as to recommend playing it on og hardware (either ps1 or 2), if ever possible.
also true, both new'n'tasty and soulstorm leave a bit to be desired. that said theyre better games than most virtue signalling TRASH on gamepass (or any platform really)

>>717416289
fair

>>717416106
Classic PoP isnt a puzzle game. Dont insult it like that. Its real platforming. Realer than Oddword Odysee thats for sure. OO is missing like half the buttons PoP had.

>>717398453 (OP)
This game was ass when it was new. I never got the obsession some have with Uggworld.

>>717398827
>Garbage ragebait
Sums up your post

>>717411625
Because that Venn diagram is a circle, you filthy antisemite.

>>717416428
are you mentally deficient, genuinely curious

>>717416684
that's not what you told me last time we spoke

>>717408119
> Everything was either a deathtrap or an obscure ass puzzle hidden behind a foreground object no sane person would think to interact with. You were supposed to die there, reload, and magically "learn" to check barrels by trial and error.

They definitely could've used some yellow paint and quest markers everywhere. Last thing I want to do is miss a single optional inconsequential area in a game i'm playing for the first time or die and embarrass myself in front of all my stream viewers.

>>717416948
topkek

>>717414325
>do you lack the power of hearing? (are you deaf)
for reference, 10:46 https://youtu.be/x1kxmQOxBAY?t=646

>>717409905
>Lorne was pissed that some magazine had published all the secret locations. The first thing they told you to do was find the secret puzzle behind a barrel on the literal first area, and the puzzle was mid/late-game difficulty hard.
02:34:02 https://youtu.be/BNgPNeCVo30?t=9242

>>717398827
This was made back in printed media era, so when you struggled you would look out for gaming mags or even standalone illustrated guides containing tips, strategies and walkthroughs. Playing those old games without a guide nowadays makes it more difficult and removes some of the charm.

>>717400181
>How the fuck was i supposed to know this?
There are Directories all over the game that showed you the layout of a level, or IRL you bought a gaming guide/cheatbook. If you had friends who you know were playing Abes oddesey aswel you could ask them.

>>717413950
>>717417807
stop gaslighting

>>717398827
This anon is a faggot and I can understand all the replies against him, but I gotta be honest...he has a point. Abe's Oddysee has terrible controls, even for the time it releases its control scheme was fucked. Often you'd know exactly what you need to do as a solution, only for the scuffed controls to ruin your execution of it. Trial-and-error due to poor controls is the worst part of the game. The remake, New 'n' Tasty, has better controls but unfortunately butchered the artstyle so significantly that I still would rather replay the original anyway.

I wonder if a mod exists to unfuck this game's controls, especially the throwing and delayed jumping.
A few of the secrets are bullshit too, where you need to take a leap-of-faith at the exact correct trajectory into what is normally a death pit. I've beaten Rayman 1 (all cages) before though and it's far worse in that regard.

>>717418605
>Abe's Oddysee has terrible controls
i stopped reading here

>>717418702
How childish.

>>717418605
>Abe's Oddysee has terrible controls
lmao, is there going to be 100 replies arguing controls again
>A few of the secrets are bullshit too, where you need to take a leap-of-faith at the exact correct trajectory into what is normally a death pit.
there's a grand of one (that I remember of), and that was in Exoddus

>>717418779
comparing paramites and scrabs? likewise!

>>717418779
the controls are very precise and deliberate so i dont get you at all

>>717410328
this
OP is a fucking zoomer retard

>>717398453 (OP)
fuck off from 4chan zoomertranny

>>717418878
>>717418909
>>717418970
>going to be 100 replies arguing controls
I'm shocked there's anons saying the controls are perfect. What are you guys smoking?
Maybe this is some obtuse revisionism bait you're pulling. There's a reason the remake revised the controls, I just wish the remake's artstyle wasn't such dogshit.
>there's a grand of one
I remember 2 places in rupture farms like that. One of them is pretty early on too, you have to jump into a pit to grab a ledge of the secret area below

>>717419038
remake is dogshit
you should unironically KYS if tile based movement is too hard for you to grasp

>>717418605
It doesn’t have terrible controls, everything is precise, you just have to time your jumps differently, you want everything to play the same

>>717419079
>tile based movement
it isn't tile-based at all

>>717419038
>I'm shocked
likewise! (at you)
>>717419109
it is lol

>>717419103
Jumping you can get used it, it doesn't feel good but that's subjective.
The throwing controls, however, are objectively awful.
>>717419140
This has to be bait.

>>717419164
>This has to be bait.
does he know?

>>717418970
anon might be new to vidya

Soulstorm was NOT a bad game, it was even fun!
There, I said it.

>>717420198
same! theres probably like a few areas that were weird, like the final area outside of feeco (i think), and possibly near the end though ive yet to actually finish it

>>717420198
also best to have every hud element turned off (real oddworld gaming)

>>717400181
>How the fuck was i supposed to know this?
>save all mudokens
>reach the end of the first area
>get a warning that the ones you didn't save will die
>meaning you missed some
>but you already went through the whole area
Start exploring, asshole. You don't need all 99 for the good ending. In fact, you could kill/ignore every single mudoken prior to the Rupture Farms revisit and still get the good ending. There isn't even a substantial enough reward for going out of your way for 100%. In fact, the reward for killing them all is arguably better.

>>717419109
the last anon who believed this was BTFO, not a good look anon
>inb4 sprites are not aligned to the grid, therefore controls bad

>>717422221
what grid?

>>717400181
back in the day secret meant FUCKING SECRET

>>717422326
you know, the horizontal plane that every object in the game is aligned to

>>717422438
what are you actually talking about

>>717422554
idk man, what is this fucking grid I'm talking about

>>717422554
>he doesnt know

It sure would be nice if the game told me i could mind control enemies with the chant. inb4:
>um, sweety, it does so in the third area 45% through the game
Gee thanks.

>>717422627
>>717422637
do you consider super mario bros. to use a "tile-based movement system" as well, then?

>>717418970
>the controls are very precise
No they aren't, they're the exact opposite of precise

>>717422687
God forbid you find it out from some basic experimentation in trying to figure out what exactly this ability does and why the Sligs start screaming for help when you do it

>>717422696
>>717422823
been sippin too much brew

>>717418415
One, I went back and checked in-game, There is only one barrel in the entirety of the game that doesn't hide a secret room. And the only things getting placed in the foreground to obscure things are barrels.
>but the trapdoors,
You have infinite lives so you can just jump down them to see if there's a hidden room beneath them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dFHogx06p4
just fuck around and pay attention, try killing as many sligs, slogs and security cameras/bombs to make areas safe for exploration. That how I found out about these secret rooms when I played abes oddesey in the 90's.

>>717422903
I'm just saying the directories don't display secret rooms for you, you have to discover them yourself
I'm sorry, but you wasted your effortpost

>>717422696
>floating point coordinate system vs grid coordinate system
gee anon, I dunno, play the game and report back with your discoveries

>>717419109
>>717422221
>>717422554
>>717422627
>>717422823
Alright chucklefucks here's a quick rundown
>a grid-based coordinate system is used (with few exceptions)
>movement input from the player is approximated to the nearest coordinate cell position of an intersecting tile
>this is why jumping can feel "sluggish" if the player presses the input earlier than the next cell position
Literally speaking, this is a less precise movement system. Why? Because it elimates floating-point precision from the moment the player actually pressed the button, in favor of waiting for the next rounded intersecting cell integer value. Anyone calling Oddysee's controls "precise" is an absolute clown.

>>717423226
It is accurate, but it is not precise.
>INB4 highschool dropouts don't know the difference between accuracy and precision

>>717423226
why did you (You) me you fucking moron, I was not arguing controls

>>717409452
I wouldn't necessarily use a child beating something as a good indicator of a game's 'difficulty', young kids can and will bash their soft skulls against the same brick wall over and over until they win

>>717423364
part of the same chain

ITT: Gamers that have aged horribly

>>717423413
That’s just another way of saying „gid gud“ though.

>>717423413
I think the difficulty of all games should be judged based on whether a child can beat it or not, of course nowadays it's pointless because games are designed to be beaten by absolute retards

>>717423364
>I was not arguing controls

control your emotion

>>717400279
>crying about spoilers from almost 30 years ago
Snape kills Dumbledore, bitch.

>>717398453 (OP)
Steins;Gate (vn) doesn't hold up as a story at all.

>>717400279
>thanks for the spoilers asshole
Jenova puppeteering as Sephiroth penetrates Aerith at the end of disk 1.

>>717424237
>Sephiroth penetrates Aerith
h-hot

>>717424185
>(vn)
i watched the anime and it wasn't any better either.