*loud diarrhea sounds*

>>717414251 (OP)
I enjoyed it

>>717414251 (OP)
still blasting

It's been long enough since I played DD1 that I'll probably be able to enjoy this now without constantly thinking "wow this is just a retread"
Thanks for the reminder OP, will buy it on the next sale

>>717414251 (OP)
>people still can't get over it
Just let it go already

>>717414354
keep your money and invest in your children's education

>>717414421
I will never understand the poorfag mindset. Why do you think $40 is such a heavy investment that my children's education will somehow suffer?

>>717414251 (OP)
I saw this post the other day and I think they have a point.

>>717414471
There's a lot of reasons to hate crapcom thoughever.

>>717414459
>poorfag
Everytime

>>717414471
>hmm, maybe our games are just bad these days?
>nah, it's just seething gamers

>>717414556
I'm worried about pragmata

>>717414459
just trying to help you bro

>Shitsunotards thought this was the next Elden Ring

>>717414556
The post focuses on the direction threads are pushed in.
I agree that wilds has awful performance but the game itself I still find fun.

>>717414653
>game itself I still find fun
It was supposed to be World 2. Instead they made Rise 2, but even dumber.

>>717414251 (OP)
Genuinely butthurt at the state of this game

>>717414471
Yeah it’s very obvious

>>717414690
I struggle to believe you ever played any of the games you mentioned.

>>717414653
Difficult to have fun when the game runs like ass.

>>717414471
Capcom should be reminded they're fucking up perfectly good games with a fanbase that wants to give them money

>genuinely enjoyed the game
>/v/ seething about it made even more enjoyable
good times

>>717414251 (OP)
mmmmm…….. thank you dear……..

>>717414876
If you played the first game you would know why people are upset with this game

>>717414940
It's literally just more of the same.
What has people upset is that it could've been so much more than more of the same had crapcom not self-sabotaged for the umphteenth time.

>>717414876
>Eating shit
>People telling me I shouldn't be eating shit makes eating shit more enjoyable

>>717414471
How much is capcom paying you to shill? Do you get paid per post? How much? Do you have any sense of shame?

>>717415007
>more of the same
It's actually less
Splitting up vocations but not adding more new ones is the worst part about this.
Didn't even use any of the DDO ones.

>>717414251 (OP)
Did they ever fix the level scaling in this game? Leveling past 30 trivializes the game, fucking wild for a game with newgame+

>>717414471
literally every worlds thread i looked into had the same bot that has been spamming the same copypasta without fault

>>717415241
I was abandoned after they added journo mode

>>717414556
>PC faggots
>relevant
lel

>>717415297
It*

>>717415104
Thats a pretty angry response. Strange to be so upset that someone noticed the same hate threads have been made over and over.

>>717415297
Sorry to hear that anon. Did you shill the game to your dad constantly and he threw you out once it turned out to be shit?

>>717414251 (OP)
*anon still having a blast heard in the distance*

>>717415017
>best analogy he can come up with is eating shit
I knew it's the 'jeets hating on DD2, but holy shit, try being less obvious

>>717414512
It doesn't help they censored mild shit in Onimusha 2 PC port and Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster. Woke company that forgets when it comes to SF6 for some reason.

Fuckem. Don't buy any of their shit Onimusha 3/RE9.

>>717414653
>it's just the performance
oh sweet summer child. Here have some japanese reviews

>>717414876
>eating shit out of spite
Epic

>>717415872
I was curious about onimusha, knew nothing about it before the recent trailers.
What's been censored and would it be apparent to anyone that's not played them before?

>>717415763
>'jeets hating on DD2
'jeets made DD2, lmao

>>717414251 (OP)
BLASTING DIARRHEA OUT OF MY ARSE

>>717416123
And some costumes/outfits were changed

>>717416216

No brats no buy, simple as.

>>717414354
>wow this is just a retread
wow this is just a worse retread***

>>717416280
Uhm, hot?

>>717416216
>>717416263
Seems minor enough that it wouldn't stop me trying the series. I get why you'd be annoyed though. If something was fine to have back then, it should be more restricted now.

>>717416280
Best we can do is manlets and womanlets.

>>717416575
Just emulate the original instead.
You shouldn't give them money for shit like that

>>717416162
shouldn't you be praising it then, ranjeet?

>>717415007
>It's literally just more of the same.

>>717416736
>but muh BEE BEE AIEE

>>717416736
And I'm gonna just repost this because I'm sick of posting in every fucking DD2 thread why I hate it

>>717416829
>but muh BEE BEE AIEE

People who thought BBI was what made OG DD good is the reason they made DD2 such trash. Pandered to retards.

>>717416993
>DD2fags can't read
checks out

>>717414251 (OP)
thats the sound of you having a blast!

>>717417194
I don't read anything posted by animefags.

>>717414556
NGL I really am having a blast with Wilds just as much as DD2.

>>717414251 (OP)
i really liked this game but somehow it is still one of the most disappointing things i have ever played

>>717417347
>I don't read
I can tell

>bought dd2 on release
>it's the biggest disappointment of my life
>no post release support
Get fucked Crapcom, that's what you get for catering to shareholders.
Kunitsu and Wilds flopped, next up are Pragmata and RE 9.

>>717416181
>BLASTING DIARRHEA OUT OF MY ARSE
aka Blast Processing

>>717414459
self report - confirmed poor

>>717417545
Nooo
Not pragmata

>>717417545
Kunitsu wasn't AAA thoughever

>>717417857
Doesn't matter, it was a massive flop.

>>717417926
>massive
Now you're exaggerating

I'M HAVING A BLAST PLAYING DD2

SHUT THE FUCK UP /V/

I CAN'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE I BLEW MY HEAD OFF WHILE HAVING A BLAST PLAYING THIS GAME

>>717418434
Blasting your head off

>>717414556
works on my PS5

>>717417525
>mad cause I disrespected his waifu
lol
lmao

>>717418674
this retard pays for online access LMAO

>>717418434
Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana

>>717418434
Pictured: Average itsunotroon when he "left" (got fucking fired from) Capcom

>>717414251 (OP)
Ahh, dragons dogma dark arisen, what a good game, i hope the second one will be better

>>717420170
i also pay the rent, electricity, gas, water, phone, internet, student loans and taxes
you don't pay for shit timmy. your parents do.

>>717422557
And you graciously paying for your PS5 online on top of all that helps fund the developers hard at work porting your favourite games to my PC.

>poors don't like the game which they can't run on their pc
who knew?

>>717422795
>I can't afford £2 per week for a 300 game library
yes we know

>>717422795
lol
isn't the current meme that pc games run like total dogshit now?
if anything pcfags are b-testing PSfags now omitting xboxfags because lmao why even

>>717423021
>a-a-actually you're the b-b-betatester
new cope dropped?

>>717414650
We never thought it was going to be like ER. We thought it was going to be good, like DD.

>>717423019
I think I'd rather pay 0 Ls a week for my 800 game library :)

Imagine giving jewcom any money after this shit

>>717423803
the only one coping is kevin and his $2000 ai generating paperweight that can't run a japanese genocide game properly
meanwhile i'm 20 comfy hunts away from maxing out the dual blades tree
stay mad

>>717417545
RE9 won't flop. Too many shit eating casual idiots like Nakanishi's "cinematic horror experiences" masquerading as real games.

>>717414251 (OP)
The worst part is this ended up being better than monster hunter wilds

>>717424173
>meanwhile i'm 20 comfy hunts away from maxing out the dual blades tree
This is some of the worst pretending to play a game i've seen in a while.

>>717414471
Capcom bots and shills the fuck out of this board.

So much so cap + cuck is not even allowed to be posted it auto blocked as “spam” no matter how organic your post is you can type out a full effort post on what exactly is the problem with a game like monster hunter wilds, but nope it’s “spam”

>>717414653
No, you don’t find the game fun. Kind of why the game has negative word of mouth because no one recommends it.

The game sold 8 mil in 48 hours yet struggles to sell 500k in 4 months. That doesn’t happen with games that are actually fun

>>717424393
>waaah my obvious discord raid was word filtered we live in a society

>>717424393
If you can't make a post without intentionally butchering the actual name for the developer or publisher, then you're likely too juvenile to actually be posting here. Conversations here become substantially better when it's filtered out.

>>717424248
nigga wut?
is it so hard to imagine play a video game?
are you that fucking sheltered?

my bad, meant for this bitch
>>717424384

>>717414251 (OP)
What's wrong with it? Do you think your expectations were too high? What the fuck were you expecting? You were asking for this game for the last 15 years. Dragons Dogma didn't even need a sequel anyway but they made one anyway after 20 years because they wanted to please YOU.

Just stick with Dragon's Dogma 1 and fuck off

>>717424393
Capcom's doing a lot of things that I hate now, but the spamming idiots who don't play games making daily threads about "demake/remilk" are mentally ill shitposters that make this board worse.

>>717414251 (OP)
>look mom I posted it again
Go back to your discord you mentally ill unfuckable, you've been making these threads for years.

>>717425103
You know what, for this one time I'll take it back. I was wrong.
When you said maxing out the tree I thought you were trying to fit in as if the weapon tree converged to a single best weapon instead of collecting them all.
You also have it laid out to know exactly how many materials you need.
I just don't have enough trust for what most people here say after so many posters outright lying about their time with other games to make them seem worse.

>>717425362
>What the fuck were you expecting?
DD1 but finished, which is explicitly what they told us they were making. Muh unrealistic expectations posters are fucking idiots, especially for a game like DD where the first one was notoriously unfinished and the director explicitly said the sequel was going to be all the stuff they wanted to do in the original but couldn't. And that's to say nothing of other outright lies like Itsuno saying there would be lots of out of the way secret encounters like the sphinx.

>>717414421
I made my child play this game and this was considered child abuse so I got in trouble with the cops

>>717414251 (OP)
please don't remind me

>>717414251 (OP)
I'm making my own DD2

>>717415315

>>717425445
eh, it's all good anon. good to see a fellow /v/irgin acknowledge shit instead of being a baby about it.
honestly though i'm having a wonderful time with wilds
picrel i maxed ou the gunlances a few days ago
it's a shame it doesn't run well on pc and the rating suffers for it, because the QoL changes compared to World make it the better game i^m^h^o.

>>717414251 (OP)
they removed lolis and it flopped crazy how that works. also the sole reason I didn't buy it. maybe when 90% of your players from 1 create loli companions that isn't a feature you should remove

>>717426246
loli pawns were a small part of it

the majority was that it was basically the same as DD1 except a lot of cut content, samey side quests, boring back and forth gameplay, lots of running even after some faggot said something about the game needing to be exciting while exploring or else people will just be bored and fast travel

also the performance on release(idk how it is now) was absolutely awful, so a lot of people refunded
they also made every other NPC a nignog
>Denuvo
This doesn't help either

Do you think Itsuno retired out of shame for threatening to quit so many times to let them make this game and then under deliver. Or did they force him to release an undercooked game for the X time and finally had enough?

>>717426121
I've been trying to spread out into more weapons, still trying to get the flow with gunlance. Focus mode is a really nice re-adjustment for a lot of weapons with high commitment. I also really like that the cap on monstars around is finally away form 2/3 that the series had been stuck on for years. Getting swarmed by 5 raths is really something.
The weird part for me is that the performance isn't inconsistent. I can get really stable frame rates and the game can look great when out and actually fighting things. It's just in towns that half the textures seems to be on the wrong setting or I notice the fans on my PC giving it their all.
I hope they work it out before the inevitable expansion because I've been reluctant to play as much as previous games.

>>717426561
>idk how it is now
Not much better.

>>717426769
I think he left out of anger and all the rumors about a feud with Tsujimoto are true. I just wish he went indie and didn't join a fucking Chinese company.

>>717418674
same

>>717414251 (OP)
Game was fine, I feel like the hype raised it to expecations it could never aspire to, the game wasnt the next Elden Ring but it was ok. I would play more DD if they made it, thats the problem, Capcom is almost certainly done with this franchise, and that dissapoints me. Just like with DD1 Im left wanting more and for them to actually do more with it.

>>717427081
DD2 was okay at best, which makes it better than Elden Ring.

>>717427081
>expecations
They literally promised a finished game and that's what everyone's been expecting. Instead we got DD1, but with less

>>717414251 (OP)
I liked it. It was worse in some ways but better in others. Glad that it exists, would love to see a new entry or a DLC. Unmoored world was cool as fuck and i love when games have a time limit or some way that otherwise forces you to manage your resources in a very strict way. The lowering of your max health until rest+limited amount of rests before the world becomes enveloped is sucha good idea. Too bad wakestones trivialize the affair, and you have more than enough wakestones to use by the time you reach the unmoored world.

>>717414251 (OP)
>Release a game with a good foundation
>Have very little notable content
>Abandon it immediately after release

What was the point?

>>717427771
Make a quick buck at the expense of consumers
Same with milds
Stop buying crapcom shit

>>717427884
but their games are a blast…

>>717425860
If I can't dress up pawns in raunchy and provocative clothing I am not buying.

>>717428023
A blast of diarrhea on your face

>>717428023
The game can be a blast in spite of the obvious sabotage.

>>717427884
>quick buck
They had a full team working on it for 4-5 years.

>>717426884
>still trying to get the flow with gunlance
make sure that shit is always loaded before a combo and you'll be fine
use 3x offensive guard 2x Load Shells 1x Artillery
>Focus mode is a really nice re-adjustment
i just use it for farming all the mats i need
otherwise you're just destroying wounds and missing crits
>Getting swarmed by 5 raths is really something
lol yeah and i still don't pack dung pods
>The weird part for me is that the performance isn't inconsistent
>I hope they work it out before the inevitable expansion
Shame. I bought a PS5 because I specifically didn't want to deal with the unwritten autism of tweaking shit on PC and I don't care for mods. I just want to plug and play. My GTX 770 had it's time now I gotta spend $3000+ on the next machine because it has to make AI slop only for that to become obsolete by 2030. But like I said, I got bills to pay, a driver's licence to earn, a car to buy, a holiday to book and a girl to take out so such a goal isn't possible right now.
Can only imagine how frustating it is for the people who actually have said machines and can't even run it. I predicted games will get worse but I didn't realise it would get this bad. good luck anon.

>>717428323
And halted development and pushed it out the door when it was clearly not finished to meet quarterly goals.

>>717414471
They're completely obsessed with Crapcom, it's hilarious

>>717430132

>>717430132
>>717430205
Why do trannoids hate Capcom so much anyway??

>>717428956
That's still not a quick buck, that's upper management being short sighted and stupid, which is common.

>>717428183
really? what would be a better developer with better games?

I wish I could curb stomp and disembowel Itsuno with a pocket knife

>>717427771
Humiliation ritual

>>717430306
>that's upper management being short sighted and stupid
And WHY were they short sighted and stupid?

If Capcom hated Itsuno so much why did they keep giving him the projects that he wanted?

>>717424591
Inorganic as fuck post

>>717433507
So they can get inspiration for what to do with monster hunter.

>>717425027
Holy fucking ESL

>>717424393
>cap+cuck
Jesus Christ you really can’t type it out I tried making like a dozen different posts, fuck capcom

>>717415296
this one >>717433309?

>>717433557
No, fuck anyone that engages in that childish console war shit. I'm sick of it and what it does to any discussion. Never seen good point out of those posts and I never expect to.

>>717433424
To please shareholders in the short term. Same as always in any traded company ever. It's still not a quick buck. That's not what quick buck means. Quick buck would be if they randomly patched DD2 to let you make child sized characters and then added slut armor you had to pay for.

>>717433734
at least crapcom still works, right?

>>717414251 (OP)
Uh oh stinky

>>717434001
Yeah so you fully understood what was being said, you just wanted to be autistic and pedantic.
Kill yourself.

>>717433735
> T. Jeet on his Sony console raging about Nintendo in another thread just in a few more minutes later.
LOOOL. You lost, enjoy your $1000 game console brokie.

They're removing denuvo from it soon right?

>>717433735
That's the one, 396 times posted and 17 times banned.

>>717434152
Why do retards cry about pedantry any time someone tells them they're using words incorrectly?

>>717434605
No words were being used incorrectly dumbass.
A quick buck is a figure of speech.

Otherwise you'd have to define what "quick" entails, which is not a definitive timeframe.
You're just being a retard.

>>717414303
based scatman

>>717423998
that's because you're a brokey

>>717437878
ok poorfag

>>717434749
>No words were being used incorrectly dumbass.
Wrong.
>A quick buck is a figure of speech.
And it doesn't mean rushing out a project that's already taken several years.
>Otherwise you'd have to define what "quick" entails, which is not a definitive timeframe.
There is absolutely no scale where you can pretend 4+ years is quick for game development. This isn't a matter of subjectivity, it's not loose usage of a colloquial expression. You used a phrase wrong and are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

>>717414251 (OP)
Times you fell for highly anticipated sequels?
for me its:
>Dark Souls 2
>Dragon's Dogma 2
>Darkest Dungeon 2
>Deus Ex Mankind Divided

>>717439485
DD2
STALKER 2
KCD2
KH3
Xenoblade 2

>>717438329
>still trying to be pedantic
Hilarious, but also pathetic.

They rushed out the game to earn a quick buck.

Have a big cry about it you autistic fuck.

>>717414653
either you are coping out of your mind to not feel like you wasted both money and time on a shit game or you just like mindless uninteractive slop
the focus system alone makes every monster a complete pushover worse than the -dromes of old games, the mosnters literally cant put up a fight. It's like people that cheat on tf2, they may be winning but are the most miserable and bored players.

>>717440065
Learn English, you fucking monkey.

>>717439485
My recent string of disappointments:
>Dragon's Dogma 2
>XIV Dawntrail
>Starfield

>>717414251 (OP)
Better then the first game in many ways at least the ones that matter. Gameplay is more fluid and you don't have to chug stamina regen potions while running around or climbing monsters. Exploration is miles better and the biomes have verticallity to them. Pawn AI is improved.

Sure it would have been nice to have a better story, more fun quests, etc but this game's only real cardinal sin is that it's more Dragons Dogma and the people who bash it most likely never even played the first game.

>>717439485
let's be real how many game series even have more than 2 good titles.
That was always the philosophy of valve that game 1 sets the groundwork and game 2 fleshes out its mechanics.
Either you do more of same for all eternity
or you stir the game in a direction that is guaranteed to piss off some people.

The third title will always be bad
...unless the 2nd was bad, then there is a small chance the 3rd is a return to form

>>717440794
I thought DD2 is really good. Personally I had a blast playing it and loved it as much as the first game.

>>717440628
the soundtrack is worse, there's no electric guitar in any of the tracks

>>717414598
you should be

>>717440363
Kill yourself autistic faggot.

>>717441823
Stop shitting up the English speaking internet.

>>717442203
Capcom earned a quick buck releasing DD2 early.
>nooooooo it was years in the making!!!
Cry about it autismus maximus.

>>717414251 (OP)
>shitcord is STILL seething about DD2

>>717439485
DD2 is the only one I can think of in recent years. Since the original DD presented to me an excellent concept with a rushed execution, it was easy to believe they got all they needed to make a truly great sequel because they only needed to build upon an already made and very solid foundation. The trailers themselves didn't offer any strong reasons for suspicion either. Often there are warning signs for anyone looking in the run up to release, e.g. Cyberpunk 2077's disastrous launch. Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I can't remember anything about DD2 setting off the alarms.

At least to me, the thing about games that truly impress is that the high standards they set result in a certain level of pessimism being priced in for any future titles meeting them, which dampens enthusiasm even if they're still likely to be worthy games in its own right. A flawed gem on the other hand feels like an easy stepping stone to greatness, since the devs are required to mostly just perfect the formula rather than innovate or experiment. That naturally lends itself to more optimistic expectations, and it's why I fell for it despite typically being much more cautious, even when it comes to franchises I really enjoy.

>>717442826
>that's literally not what that phrase means
>nooooo whatever close enough ur being pedantic!

>>717444205
It quite literally is what that phrase means.
You're just too autistic to understand figure of speech.

>>717444839
>literally
There's another word you don't understand.

>>717444887
Wrong again autism boy.

>>717414251 (OP)
Is there any chance Capcom pivots to doing a major transformative DLC for Dragon's Dogma 2 after MW Wilds totally flamed out?

>>717414251 (OP)
I accidentally deleted my save file when I uninstalled this to load up Death Stranding 2 digital for early release. Is there a way to get that save back? I didn't tell it to delete the save, just uninstall, so I hope it's still there.

>>717440052
Xenoblade 2 was good tho inb4 NOOO IT'S SHIT

>>717445354
Should be in the appdata, no?

>>717445385
It's shit, only retarded third worlders and mutts type "tho", and you can't inb4 your own post. XB2 is garbage for retards pretending they like good JRPGs and anime.

Did they ever fix the performance on console? Last time I tried playing it on XSX it was fucking choppy 30fps at best and unplayable in towns

It wasn't that bad
A shame internet outrage killed any chances for DLC but hey, never bet on Crapcom

>>717446169

>>717441004
The bitterblack isle battle theme was so fucking good compared to the shit we got

>>717416829
yeah i beat dd2 at launch, went "this fucking sucked" and just reinstalled ddda instead

>>717447183

I bought it a few days ago. Having a blast.
I never played the first one so I have nothing to compare it to. There's like no quests, it feels like the witcher with nothing to do. I'd be pretty mad if I payed 60 for this desu.

>>717447961
The quests are like Dark Souls. Vague with multiple outcomes (also vague)

>>717447961
I'd play Witcher if it wasn't a bunch of quests atop the worst combat system this side of BamHam

>>717427771
I figured it out, the petty behavior that comes from boomers got pasted onto future generations

They don't wanna be know as that goy that made a success out of something cringe like a videogame so they half ass and shit out a "finished" product hoping it gets forgotten. These sad fucks are social slaves so yeah they don't mind not putting in effort for something that doesn't seem cool.

Its like watching Chick Fill A vs Any other shitfood place. One is trying at least even if its something as simple as making food

>>717448458
>The quests are like Dark Souls. Vague with multiple outcomes (also vague)
So there's like no quests that show up in the log just kinda like rumors which send you off into the wilderness?
>>717448505
>I'd play Witcher if it wasn't a bunch of quests atop the worst combat system this side of BamHam
I'm more at the size of the map and the spacing of the towns with the enemies scattered around, this is more survival than the witcher but yes the combat is better by far, but again the main issue I'm having is the lack of content. The witcher I'd have like 15 quests to do taking me all over the place into the wilderness exploring every inch of the map. I have no real reason to head off into the corners of the map here. The game doesn't really reward exploration other than a few collectables and I always feel like I'm bumping into something that I shouldn't be seeing yet like it's part of the main quest so I'm stuck between skipping content and spoiling game reveals. I don't know what the game wants me to do, idk if I'm just supposed to stick to the towns and do busy work or head off innawoods and just fuck around.

>>717427771
Same thing happened with MGSV, it's an "auteur vs moneybags" sort of conflict. In both cases the auteur left or was chased out while the product was quickly wrapped up and pushed out in a state that fails to meet expectations.
While auteurs can be difficult hacks to work with, chasing out all your talent is not a good move. But Capcom may be broadly moving to cheaply outsource all its IPs while minimizing inhouse development, just like Konami.
There's a non-zero possibility that the decision to outsource is actually what necessitates the need to collapse inhouse development while what we (and the shareholders) see is an underperforming problematic developer being shitcanned. Just as keikaku.

>>717449865
now this is some quality brainrot

>>717414251 (OP)
>daily seethe threads from /v/ contrarians
Yup, it's a good game alright

>>717445887
damn calm down kiddo it's just a videogame jeez

>Lead director left
>Lead combat designer left
Only ones left are mules just satisfied to pull the cart. Game has been abandoned. Fuck nucapcom man. if a game isn’t named resident evil they’re willing to skimp on budget and let the game rot and die. This is the third time they fucked itsuno with the budget and deadline. no wonder there’s been a massive brain drain from the company in ver the years.

>release character creator demo with like 5 save slots
>full game only allows one file and has arguably worse saving mechanics than the original
Still mad. I would've definitely replayed it by now but it's harder to let go of my file than it was with DD:DA where I just couldn't wait to start a new playthrough every time.

>>717414251 (OP)

>>717452410
Calm down, turdie. Your taste in games and anime is just shit.

>>717453424
This is woke but DD1's black guards are just fine

>>717430674
nta but monolithsoft unironically

>>717414556
NOOOO SHUT UP IT'S LE DISCORD RAID!!!1!

>>717439485
Twisted Metal 2013. What a fucking piece of shit. That was the last time I bought a game on launch. Usually I wait about a year and with all games being early access trash I usually wait several years or never buy the game period.

>>717414251 (OP)
Tried playing it a month or so ago and in my attempts to try and get a stable 60 FPS the piece of shkt green screened my computer. Uninstalled then and there.

>>717427771
ROI