Thread 717423357

i got to purple science and now im running out of raw materials

if you're shit at the game look up a guide on youtube.

>>717423357 (OP)
expand mf, expand

>>717423789
Video games?

>>717423357 (OP)
A fellow grapist, I see.

trains man
i cannot get enough

>>717424086
thats more or less the plan, the next closest copper patch is pretty far away so i guess im gunna just run over nests with my tank until the map is clear and build a long ass railway

>>717425086
oh wait fuck, i just noticed the one in the top right. maybe this won't be so bad after all

>>717425086
>sweistergeist
What happens here

>>717423789
Zoomers are something else.

>>717423789
Honestly factorio 2.0 guides are total shit.
Even the in-game tutorial sucks dick.
Good luck finding something that doesn't assume you've been playing the game for the last decade.
I'm serious. Try finding a circuits tutorial that isn't skipping every basic step in learning the fucking game.
You're not going to find it.

>>717425791
Why are you trying to learn how circuits work if you don't even know the basics to the game?

>>717425791
>Try finding a circuits tutorial that isn't skipping every basic step in learning the fucking game.
It's almost as if circuit networks are an advanced mechanic of the game.

>Be 18 hours into the game
>Haven't figured out how to do purple science
>Managed to get some yellow science techs done for the MK2 armor
>Got good personal ports and bots to clear shit
>Already pushing 80% evolution from clearing out nests north and south of my base
>Tank shots don't 1-shot nests anymore
>Nearly die a few times
>Got some decent choke-points on my island once I finish clearing out a few nests
>Still no rocket launched
>Analysis paralysis has reached critical mass
>The illness is now terminal

Send help.

>>717426042
make nuclear bombs.

>>717425931
There's absolutely no reason you can't learn circuits and basic game mechanics at the same time. They literally work alongside one another.
Basic circuitry can turn your shitty train logistics into self-regulating, and self-balancing networks.

>>717425751
what difference does t make coming here begging for help over punching it into google besides being called a troon/nigger for coming here?

>>717425751
That reply most likely came from a fucking boomer lmao what are you talking about
Why do boomers always blame everything on their kids? I swear to god you fat retards are blind to self-awareness.

>>717426353
Have you seen 30+ threads? Those niggas don't play shit.

>>717426215
Yeah I got 4 reactors ready to be hooked up to a reserve of cells I've been slowly stockpiling.
I'm going to switch to nuclear power very soon. The next step is to really use all of my railroads and make a LTN network and finish Purple and Yellow. I have enough crafted red, green, blue, and gray science stored to finish the rest of the Nauvis techs before I make my trip to Vulcanus and then Fulgora.
I'm gonna have to learn both planets but I'm really gonna try to have Nauvis solved for the foreseeable future. I need to be able to bring a consistent amount of reinforced concrete for foundries.
I would already be in Vulcanus right now if I rushed, but then I would still have to worry about biters encroaching on my base.

>>717423357 (OP)
Sounds like it's time to demolish your factory and start over. This time without all the unexpandable spaghetti.

>>717426824
not the reactors, the rockets that you make out of u-235.
wipes out anything on nauvis in one hit.

>>717426042
Nigger you have a comfy island all to yourself, just fill all of it with radars and shit and disregard bugs completely

>>717427236
I'd need to research space science for nuclear bombs. I've yet to make a production line for rockets...

>>717427287
I just really really wanna wall off the biters to one narrow choke point before I really start expanding for some reason. I want to keep them in a cuck box if I can. Like surround it with flamethrowers and lasers indefinitely I know it's possible looking at the western section.

>>717425751
I'm 41.

>>717423789
>try to get friend to play this with me
>refuses to even try to get a factory up and running, saying he'll need to look up a youtube video
I just don't fucking get it. The only good parts of the game are exploration, either going through it the first time or finding out new ways to build your own blueprints. Why even play the fucking game if you're just going to copy a video or paste premade blueprints?

>>717426042
>>717427415
Get a power armor mk2 with a bunch of exoskeletons. You can run in and snipe all the nests with a rocket launcher or personal laser defenses. The biters will despawn eventually when the nests and worms are gone.

>>717427039
>literally on the doorstep of space age
>um just demolish your factory, this'll never work

>>717426042
This seems like a pretty good setup to me

>>717427735
Why hang out with a person like this

>>717429369
I don't anymore. Luckily he went back to WoW so he stopped bothering me.

>>717425857
Well, how do circuits work

>>717430782
wish I could explain it well but I'm trying to think of the quickest explanation and it's tougher than it sounds

I lost my first factorio run because i ran out of copper and the bugs kept attacking until i ran out of ammo

i have never heard of anyone losing the game except me

>>717430782
>Wire something you want to be an input signal
>Put it in back of combinator that sets condition (if: condition = true, output )
>Wire that up to something that reads the output signal and does thing when the signal is put out.
Simple really

>>717431561
I don't think this is even possible

>>717423357 (OP)
Lategame 30 spm setup requires something like 4 full yellow belts of copper and iron each, so start building them smelters and mining outposts.

>>717431314
Nobody wants to explain it because it's kind of annoying to do it.
And most people have to do it themselves to learn. It's a pain in the fucking ass, because the game should realistically cover circuits extensively in-game with better tutorials but it doesn't.
Fuck Wube.

>>717432129
I tried to claim a copper deposit with the last resources i had but the outpost was overrun and then i could only wait for the end

this was pretty late game too, i had a nuclear reactor

>>717432735
>this was pretty late game too, i had a nuclear reactor
one word: flamethrower turrets

>>717432735
>He didn't have a reserve of essentials before expanding or rebuilding his base

This was my biggest issue for the longest time. At some point you reach the limit of your starting patch and if you haven't learned to fuck with trains you get stuck real quick.
Building up again without the shit you need like more belts or better buildings is fucking annoying.
I typically don't even bother before I get bots.
It's such a fucking slog.

>Got stranded on vulcanis
>Intended on making a small base to get back into space
>One thing led to another
But at least I finally built some bots and can get back into space to show those asteroids what for.

>>717433260
vulcanus is the best place to build the bulk of your production on anyways since metals are infinite

>>717434457
Is it really worth going there before finishing nauvis science

>Solar
>Expensive, inefficient, takes up way too much space, mandatory downtime

>>717434663
there's an achievement to use a science pack from a different planet before using purple/yellow(?) nauvis packs, so they did intend for it to be possible.

>>717434663
No, since bots will save you a fuckload of manual building.

>>717432872
You can easily beat factorio without bothering with trains. A few long ass red belts of ore works just fine even if it gets pricey. Default ore patches aren't even that far away.

>>717434693
>mandatory downtime
sorry can't hear you over my accumulators running throughout the night

>>717434457
>metals are infinite
Only if you drop calcite from space, otherwise they're as "infinite" as metals on nauvis.

>>717435147
>goonulators
Another cope structure

>>717435210
>>717435210
You would die IRL long before you run out of calcite. All you need is mining prod and quality big miners.

>>717435907
>all you need is end game shit and then you're at the end game
your calcite runs out in a second if you're recycling it to make quality molten iron and copper

>>717434693
are these not necessary

>>717436525
>quality molten iron and copper

>>717434693
yeah I usually just go from coal to nuclear. although in krastorio there are some cool midgame options for power like these modular self sufficient biomethanol fuel plants

>>717436525
>[not end game situation ends when you make end game stuff]
Having just played vulcanis you run out of coal much quicker than calcite

>>717436589
>using plebian normal quality molten metals

i can't even fuckin start this game
not just cause i don't know where to build my production lines in relation to the starting resource fields, but cause i know i'll need to spend dozens of extra minutes lining up my drills, inserters, forges and other machines JUST RIGHT to have optimal production ratios and full belts

>>717437275
Nothing wrong with that anon.
That's the point of the game.

>>717434693
>doesn't require fuel
>doesnt require running fuel logistic lines
>always works
>saves on tons of polution
I am solar supremacist

>>717437275
>lining up my drills, inserters, forges and other machines JUST RIGHT
feels great when they just snap in place like a glove

>>717437512
i don't mean in terms of space
i mean in terms of having 3 drills per every 2 forges or something similar, so no time gets wasted

Did you come up with your own layout for your factories or did you look shit up online? One of the reasons i never got far into Factorio is because i wanna put my brain to work and try to figure out how to make the factories on my own, but i end up with a convoluted mess of a factory.

>>717437623
your type of autism is terminal and not even charming
just play the damn game

>>717437623
No point doing that with drills, in fact you want way more drills to get everything up and out of the ground.
Storage box systems like this one I came up with help with that.

>>717437827
>did you look shit up online
The entire purpose of this game is completely destroyed if you just braindead copy a factory. Might as well follow one of those speedrun achievement guides and start from a specific map string and just paste blueprints all game long.

>>717437951
based storageanon
just stick everything into the network, the bots will figure it out later

>>717438009
Was the outrage so intense that you didn't read the rest of the sentence? That's why i never got far into the game, i want to create MY own factories, i just don't have the time to trial and error everything. I mean, as much as i love open-ended games like Factorio or RimWorld (the later being my downfall), i prefer playing games with a beginning, middle and end.

Yeah, i know there's an end to Factorio, but the fun is to EXPAND.

>>717437827
My factory is such a mess I don't even understand how it works any more. I just plug more and more resources and splitters into it.

>>717437623
Just fyi the second you research and production boost your perfect ratios are fucked.
LeL

>>717438678
this is exactly my point.

>>717439023
Build for high bandwidth, not perfect ratios

>>717438120
>dump ores into a gorillion storage chests
>when ore patches are literally a form of storage in and of themselves
consider necking yourself ASAP

>>717437468
I like spreading pollution everywhere and destroying the landscape. Makes me feel like a supervillian to see everything wither.

>>717432247
That is a shitload of ore

>>717440718
>ore patches are literally a form of storage
The bots can't get to it when it's in the ground like that.

>>717425791
>Try finding a circuits tutorial that isn't skipping every basic step in learning the fucking game
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zXHl7jqDFc
>What about trains my lord
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvz64I8lTuJLnppSimGb3Vrkr1bwwWoIv
Get better at searching for things, retard-kun

>>717444235
This is literally outdated.

>>717444235
>Posts out-dated shit
>Gotcha!!!

I am kinda burned out on my second game of SA.
Got Vulcanus and Fulgora done. So now is the time to rebuild my base using Foundries, but I don't want to spent next few hours killing bitters and expanding my walls.
I save is on pause for a few months now

>>717440718
bot extraction has a higher throughput for meeting production spikes

>>717425791
Blessing in disguise, one of the best parts about Factorio is figuring things out for yourself.

>>717444637
>>717444712
>Working fundamentals are the exact same
>Only real difference is UI and QoL changes
>Can't extrapolate that info to suit your needs
Idk what to tell you man, good luck figuring things out in life

>>717427735
He doesn't want to play Factorio. He just wants to play with you. Be the better friend and ask him if he would rather play some other game with you instead of Factorio and see his reaction. He will most likely tell you that he doesn't want to play factorio and just wants to play with you. I have a friend who is a Rocket League addict and we play a lot together and when he doesn't like a game he starts doing that shit.

Ignore science, expand factory.

Ignore factory, kill biters.

>>717435263
I need them anyway for laser turrets because they are cool but my nuclear reactor won't ramp up fast enough to meet that kind of demand. I could keep a battery of steam engines for on demand power, but accumulators are just easier and make my power curves nice and smooth.

>>717426042
Finish cleaning up all the biters, so you don't have to worry about defense, anymore.

>>717426247
Setting conditionals in the machines themselves is the most you can expect to need.
A simple red/green wire from a tank to a pump, a belt to an inserter, simple things like that.
If it requires any of the dedicated circuit network buildings like combinators, it is too complicated and honestly not worth learning.

>>717446513
Except maybe a couple of nests in a corner, to get you started on eggs, later.

i don't find autist factorio impressive. They always default to blue prints. Shit's whack

>>717445534
>Be the better friend and ask him if he would rather play some other game
I'm not going to pay to play WoW with him. I think it's fine anyways, he finally got off his ass and got a job after we stopped playing FF14 together.

>>717446513
Can you really get rid of all the biters? I thought they spawned infinitely based on pollution or something.

>>717426042
Confused, lost, unsure of your next move? Utilize the spaghetti expansion technique. You can always just rebuild or make it efficient later when you know what you're doing or something suddenly clicks.

>>717430782
A circuit Network is two or more entities connected by green or red wire.
The simplest circuit network is an inserter connected to a chest.You select read contents and for example if you have an inserter that takes metal plates from a belt and want that chest to have 1000 metal plates you can connect the inserter and the chest >read contents>select metal plates > disabled if metal plates higher or equal than 1000. That's the basic, arithmetic combinators and signals can be as simple as putting a chest with logistic and construction robots next to a roboport with an inserter , read the signals of how many available robots exist and every time the signal is 0, meaning all the bots are busy the inserter will activate and put robots into the roboports so you only use the amount of robot you actually need.
Circuit networks have infinite range because you can connect green or red cables to power poles. Hope that helps

>>717426042
>>717426824
You're way overprepared. Get started on space science (you don't even have to personally leave the planet for it), set up enough radars to get full coverage of the biters and the territory they might expand to, and then just look at the map every few hours and remote-drive the tank to kill the expansions as needed. Also upgrade to uranium ammo/shells for the tank, they're worth it.

>I need to be able to bring a consistent amount of reinforced concrete for foundries.
That's craftable locally, you get plenty of water from acid neutralization/steam condensation.

>>717447437
>remote-drive the tank
I didn't even realize you could do this

>>717446862
The biters can't walk over deep water to expand. If you extinct them on your island, they're not going to STAY extinct until you make a land bridge, or reintroduce them.

>>717446862
>spawned infinitely based on pollution or something
They spawn forever, but you can get rid of the nests to stop them.

>>717448947
Yeah, it's great. I think they added that in 2.0. The tank doesn't have radar though, so you either have to keep it in bounds or just make sure to not disconnect while you're driving through the fog of war.

What's the best way to send signals in a specific order? I've got an assembler wired up to build a long list of stuff but because of the default signal order it starts by crafting things I won't need until later. Do I just have to run it through another set of decider combinators to only send those signals when the prerequisites are met?

my gleba 20k SPM base. I think I need to route some external spoilage in to make sure my pentapods don't die.
I'm getting 10k SPM of every other science so this is compensatory overkill

>>717450867
wrong picture

>>717450773
Aren't the new combinators specifically to check quantities?
So you could tell it to build the thing you have the least of.

>>717451529
The Arithmetic Combinators are fucking amazing, yeah. You can do some really useful shit with them like getting stations to self-regulate regardless of distance between train stations.
I have a set up that makes it so that the priority rises as the chest quantity drops. So the station with lower stockpiles goes next on the list of trains coming in to re-supply it.
It's self-regulating.
And all you need is two arithmetic combinators to make it work.
And if you know how to do interrupts, you can literally set up groups to use a depot between supply runs and just have a fuck ton of through-put.
It's actually great. Trains were never easier for me than they are now.

>>717446554
Not true, the most useful thing in the game is an assembler with an arithmetic combinator, requester and provider chest. You hook it up so it requests 10x of whatever the recipe is and you can build anything. Even if you're on another planet, just change the setting and your robots will bring the ingredients in on their own.

>>717450867
what's with the biters

>>717451529
That would have the same problem on cold start since I'd have zero of everything.

someone explain why would you use speed modules instead of productivity modules
isnt making more for less better by default?

>>717452561
I was testing out how they interact with other enemies, maybe they'd fight each other.
but no, on Gleba the biters just joined the pentapod nests, and on Vulcanus a demolisher can run them over and they don't die.

>>717453535
productivity is always better. you only use direct speed modules if the recipe doesn't allow productivity or if you fucked up and want to loosen a bottleneck rather than rebuild.

Okay. Can someone explain to me how to set a circuit network to recognize turrets as part of the network and only activate a number of them once one gets destroyed?
I saw a cool vulcanus exploit where you funnel a demolisher down a 'tunnel' of turrets and enable them all once she reaches the 'end'.
It also works with tesla turrets but the electricity spike is fucking crazy with that one.

>>717453535
Productivity for base modules surrounded with beacons with speed modules. Make more for less faster

Is it better to use productivity or quality on science pack makers?

>>717454083
constant output thing, set turrets to disable when value is one, when it dies value goes to 0

>>717454083
The way I do it is set down like 100 turrets and fill them with 50 ammo each.
Then wire them all together counting the amount of ammo
Since there are 100 turrets x 50 ammo, there is 5000 ammo
So set enable condition to < 5000 ammo.
Then they won't shoot until one turret is destroyed and the total ammo drops below 5000

dont make surpluses of research you should only have like 1k each and not constantly research just because , second run faaar away from spawn to get larger mines from the start

>>717454412
That's definitely one way to do it.
I wonder if anyone has a webm of this in action.
I thought demolishers started uprooting everything around them once they take any damage.

>>717454591
they make a slow field and start doing targeted eruptions

>>717425057
>Paris, 2027

I like the game but I fucking hate TRAINS. I am DISGUSTED by TRAINS. I live by a trainyard in a major shipping and railway station, and I HATE THEM. They are so fucking LOUD and they always bang into things and honk their horns in the middle of the night so I HATE THEM. And do get across town, you have to go all the way around it because this entire city is built around not just the trainyard, but also an Air Force base in the fucking middle of it so it's just a big stupid fucking circle around these goddamn things and I DO NOT LIKE THEM

so in Factorio, I do not use trains or drones, they are GARBAGE IN MY EYES

>>717455121
lol, lmao even

>>717454537
Somewhat. You should keep a steady pace, at least in the early-mid game since you need to keep ahead of the time induced evolution

>>717453535
Productivity can't be beaconed. As far as I'm aware that's about it.

>>717455121
FactorioTTD when

>>717455121
but trains are the best feature of Factorio

What is this game is even about? i see all of you talk about mining and optimizing your mining via building a network of more complex mining shit, but what's the endgame once you exhaust all the minerals & ore you were mining?

>>717457119
Large scale subnautica. Crash-landed on a planet, and you have to leave, and to do that you need to extract and process all the shit on the planet, because fuck that planet and these few other planets in the vicinity in particular.

>>717425751
as if you've never looked up a guide, stupid poser faggot.

>>717430782
>>717431314
Circuits at their most basic is just 'turn thing on or off when it meets a condition'. Like turning a pump on if there's too much oil in a tank. 99% of players won't need to do more than something like this.

>>717457119
>mining and optimizing your mining via building a network of more complex mining shit
that's it
that's what the game is about, including the endgame

>>717457119
As you stripmine planets you create giant clouds of pollution which cause all vegetation to wilt and die, and all bodies of water to turn a sickly green, all the while hunting down and exterminating the local wildlife with nuclear armaments. It's basically a Walmart CEO simulator.

>>717430782
circuits just transfer information
you can put information in one end and get that same information at the other end
or you can put some things in the middle to change the information in a circuit
you can then use the information in a circuit to control machines in your factory
its not difficult conceptually

>>717434838
I did this on my first run accidentally. I just wanted to rush to the new content and it happened naturally.

>>717457119
Autismo of 'number go up'
There is a tech tree/research mechanic and there are 'enemies' called Biters that will attack you regularly but it's possible to sya, put down the minimum requirements and just 'wait'

The appeal of it is pretty much a mixture between optimization (ie belts can only move items so fast, so having mines that produce say, double what can go o na belt isn't optimal) or 'haha belts run everywhere cause funny' playstyle

Also it has trains which hits the autismo massively

There is a demo you can try but it's not really relevant to the entire game imo unless they changed it for 2.0

It's more like Runescape imo, outside of actively fighting the biters, you can pretty much play it like RS and have a video on another screen or play it at work (I tend to do that mostly at work)

>>717457119
flying around at mach 3 in a legendary mechsuit leaving a trail of nukes in your wake

>>717457119
You ride around in a jeep throwing grenades at aliens

>>717427039
No, just make more spaghetti.

Everything on Nauvis is the best mod

>>717423357 (OP)
Create a quality loop if you have recyclers or just shove quality modules in your extraction machines to significantly reduce their resource consumption. Otherwise expand and get more raw resources.

on my way to the legendary set

>>717426042
walls and turrets motherfucker
use roboports for repairs and a belt of ammo

>>717462524
Of course it's german

>>717426042
the first thing id do is to designate the funy bottom left penor of your comfy island as a biter sanctuary, and to wall it off
then id exterminate the biter menace from the rest of your rightful industrial clay
idk then maybe id hyperfocus on making rail intersection blueprints for the next five hours or something

>>717423357 (OP)
Hop into your car, scout for raw materials, build trains.

>>717458643
Its difficult if you dropped out of school before algebra 1

>>717431561
this is a very real thing on deathworld mode
also it's possible for it to happen with standard settings, like if you start in a desert, then get scared and turtle early and make no effort to expand or fight back. i guess that could happen on your first game, if ur real dumb

>>717434693
>0 pollution (manufacturing amortizes to 0 over time)
>UPS optimized way of powering a mega base

>>717434693
>He doesn't have a section dedicated to making solar panels and accumulators and just paste down an optimized blueprint every so often
ngmi
Fair on the space concerns though. But it's easy enough to clear land.

can I unlock space age with creamapi?

>>717466825
just download the gog version you fucking retard

>>717467748
>gog
no