Thread 717457869

and restarted as Death Stranding under Sony, wonder how much different would it be if Konami kept his ass around to complete it

>>717457869 (OP)
i am with you on this. there are far too many parallels between it and DS for it to be total coincidence. keighley said there was supposed to be a third part to MGSV. this was likely it. it explains away the wormhole technology, gives more silent hills connections that could have "bridged" the gap to something resembling a "konami cinematic universe", something which kojima had implied he was trying to do.

>>717457869 (OP)
if the game was the exact same but had his name on the box, faggots would have slurped it up as the second coming of Christ

>>717457869 (OP)
I enjoyed this more than the pvpslop we got with Phantom Pain

>>717459963
>phantom pain
>pvpslop
what are you talking about? you can completely ignore your FOB.

>>717459148
>the wormhole technology
The game never ever remotely explained how the parasite unit could cross dimensions.
Survive was probably a "land of the dead" between this planet and the other side, and the plot would then open up to zombies and whatnot. Then again Kojima is at blame for wasting too much time and money on trivial bullshit and Konami being a shit backwards japanese company

>>717459963
The always online killed it, such a shit requirement that online makes sense on F2P slop while this game has a full singleplayer you cant play if your internet goes down.

IF the price goes to like 1.99 I might try it because it looks ok

>>717460852
survive was the far future after medical nanomachines went out of control in a grey goo-like situation. they ended up creating a lot of "kuban energy" as they consumed and converted everything into themselves, the kuban energy was used to create wormholes through time.
MGSV:TPP is a parallel to the book "genocidal organ" by project itoh which sees the villain unlock the linguistic secrets to genocide, using mass media to implant the linguistic triggers in a population to start a mass genocide. the book ends with the villain activating this linguistic trigger in english, the lingua franca.
MGSurVive is a parallel to "harmony", the sequel to genocidal organ where there is a massive time jump after "the cataclysm" (the activation of the linguistic genocide trigger in the lingua franca) and the world is locked down under medical martial law with constant surveillance on the populace to ensure they are healthy and psychologically stable. the parallel of survive to harmony is more tenuous, but you have the two elements of "far future apocalypse world" and "medical systems are demonized" in both. kojima was likely doing his own adaptations of project itoh's work (while also simultaneously working toward other goals with the projects), but ended up splitting with konami and had early design docs/ideas get picked up by konami who tried to finish the project by filling in a lot of blanks. death stranding actually has a lot more parallels to harmony than survive does, which really leads me to believe that this was kojima's way of trying to carry itoh on past his expiry date. kind of rude, then, to not include any mention of project itoh in the credits of TPP or DS where kojima would list all sorts of works that inspired his game.

>>717457869 (OP)
I remember when you looked in the air in various parts of survive you saw the death stranding monsters. Also

>Slow walking/surviving/exploring. Studying your map, making routes and adding map icons.

>Gameplay loop is explore-gather-fight/sneak haul ass home.

>Open world is a barren wasteland. Teleportation fast travel.

>The AI that communicate with you when delivering items.

>Crystals as the main resource for building/crafting together with metals, ceramic etc.

>Crystals that are tied to the enemies, technology and world/universe.

>Items are crafted through some kind of 3d hologram/portal thingy in real time.

>>717457869 (OP)
It probably would've had the real Laurence Fishburne

>>717457869 (OP)
Remember when Survive was coming out and Kojima gave an interview about how "he'd never add zombies to MGS because it's a serious spy game" or some retarded bullshit? Saying that despite MGS4 already having zombies and V having the lost motherbase soldiers who acted like zombies too (and were an obvious tie-in to Survive, already in the works before Kojima left)?

What a fucking hackfraud. I'm glad he's been putting nonstop flops since.

WELL WELL WELL

>>717462705
It would been nice
>>717462728
That's because the game was being torn apart before release, he probably got scared to see his early idea of a zombie game being shat on while making DS. As >>717459792 stated if "a hideo kojima game" was printed in the cover art 80% of the bitching the game took wouldn't exist

If there were people that actually cared about Survive on this board they would discuss it in the TPP threads since it's a spin-off of the game and ties directly into it. Literally no one who likes TPP would have a problem with it. Hell there is an overlap with Death Stranding fans too.

Instead people make shitty bait threads complaining about Kojima as if it was still 2018 and anyone gave a fuck about the stale ass drama.

>>717461245
Yeah, I would've bought it too when it came out, but the always online turned me off completely. I'm surprised it's still alive though considering how many other games have shut down forever. There's no reason for the game to even have always online anyway, but yeah, I'd never support it because of that reason alone.

>>717459148
>it explains wormhole tech
And who the fuck cared about explaining that when it was a gameplay convinience.
Do you also want a game to explain how MSF had a railgun?

>>717460852
>crossing dimensions
What the fuck am I reading, they turned invisible like Quiet did.
I swear, there are two things you /v/edditors will never get over: that Survive flopped and that Doom Eternal didnt.

>>717463968
The sole reason anyone in /v/ talks about Survive is because MGS redditors were so asshurt that MGSV was an actual videogame instead of a shitty movie like previous Metal Gears that they started shilling Survive as "revenge" against Kojima.
They were desperate to get anyone's interest, they flip flopped between "ANYONE WHO SHITS ON THIS GAME IS A KOJIMADRONE" and "ACTUALLY KOJIMA DESIGNED THIS GAME".
It came out, flopped hard like everyone except MGS retards in /v/ thought it would for being a cynical cash grab, and they went quiet, though every now and then they have these threads, still seething this boring grindfest of a game failed.

>>717459148
Yeah, and the third part was the Kingdom of the Flies DLC.

>>717464137
>>717464462
upvoted + awarded

>>717464718
Go ahead and prove me wrong.
I remember the Survive threads back in 2017 and 2018, basically no one talked about Survive, it was all bitching that MGSV had no plot, when MGSV's focus on gameplay is the reason it still gets 2000 players daily on Steam a decade after release and why it still gets gameplay compilations, something that doesnt happen with the previous ones since those weren't videogames at all.

>>717464116
>There's no reason for the game to even have always online anyway
It was developed backwards: started as a co-op multiplayer game and had a massive single player grafter on top. Resources and stats from SP are used directly in the co-op, they're not completely separate. That's also the reason you have to pay to make a new profile, your save file is running on their servers 24/7.

>>717457869 (OP)
What's hilarious is they spent 3 years and who knows how much money making this crap, when they could have just finished the Kingdom of the Flies DLC and would have made way more money while costing a fraction of it.
It's hilarious how Konami basically hasn't done a single good move when it comes to videogames since 2006

>>717465209
>they could have just finished the Kingdom of the Flies DLC
lmao midwit

>>717465209
womp womp
Reminder that Konami quintupled their profit after getting rid of Kojima and his embezzling
Reminder that "but le pachinko" and "Kojima was cruelly fired" were bullshit fed to morons by american game journos
Reminder that Konami was always right

>>717459792
very sad but unfortunately true

>>717459963
posting my qt operator from phantom pain's pvp

>>717464137
No they literally phased out of portals and so would the Fulton device with the final upgrade.

>>717465656
Why? Its a fact, people had interest in KOTF.
Meanwhile no one cared about Survive.

>>717466198
See? No mention of Survive, just seething about Kojima because, ultimately, this is about MGS retards crying that MGSV wasn't a shitty, 15 hour long movie (where 12 hours are cutscenes) about Big Boss killing kids.
Instead Kojima commited the worst sin in the eyes of Metal Gear turbo casuals: delivering a videogame.

>>717462705
Goodluck is almost certainly a reference to that one scene in The Great Escape.

>>717457869 (OP)
It's time to let go

>>717459792
>his name wasn't on the box so I have to defend it to the death
I can't believe you schizos are still at it

>>717466601
Why are you quoting me with your retarded babble? Unfortunately for your stupid theory, Survive plays better than V. Stealth was more important than ever, the controls were improved, base building was actually what people expected out of V, and the unique skills were a fun diversion.

>>717466198
>meanwhile the CEO who took Konami in that direction got ousted, redirected attention towards Triple A games and Konami execs are even saying how much they'd like if Kojima worked on MGS again

So glad we have uhhhhh number go up and shitty outsourced franchise rape instead of any good original games that we used to get from Konami
Take that Kojima

I liked TPP, i liked survive, i liked death stranding. Why can't people discuss this game as it is without making about Kojima's cult of personality? People tell me i only like it because i hate Kojima. I don't, i greatly enjoy the things he puts out. Then people call me a Kojima cocksucker for liking TPP or DS. Make up your minds on what i am or shut the fuck and discuss the games as they are rather than who is or isn't attached to them.

>>717459963
Phantom pain just got a coop mod btw

>>717466863
>Stealth was more important than ever
come on, man

>>717466863
What the fuck am I reading, Survive is a grindfest about taking care to fill three bars that deplete for absolutely anything you do.

>Stealth was more important than ever
What the fuck am I reading? The game literally punishes you for playing stealthily since walking crouched, or worse, prone, burn through your stamina like mad, and then you have countless missions where you press a button and need to fend off wave after wave of zombies.
Stealth is completely fucking irrelevant in Survive.

>base building was actually what people expected out of V,
No, I dont give a shit about base building, MGSV was an operator simulator, what I wanted out of it was things like being able to deploy your army, having your own squad, more urban and vertical settings, rapeling, piloting aircraft and ships...
That's what MGSV needed, all Survive does is double down on V's weakest aspect, the shitty farming.

>>717467102
Fucking no one is telling you jack shit, this drams exists only in /v/'s head, and solely because nothing makes the shitskins of this board seethe harder than being proven wrong, which happened when Survive flopped after months of endless threads saying it would be a stealth hit.

>>717467374
It flopped but i still like it.

>>717466926
yeah sure

>>717467139
>>717467269
Aw I'm sowwy you faggy little babbies never played the game.Maybe if you had, you'd know that not only did stealth kills give you more resources, but that alerting zombies involved a huge fight, which involved big loss of resources and thus was undesirable. Sorry you can't grasp game design basics, and specially sorry one of you faggots wanted to play an entirely imaginary game that doesn't exist.

>>717467972
>throw stone
>get behind
>r2
yawn

>>717468220
>same except you throw an empty mag
>and kojima's name is on the box

>>717467972
ayy lmao

https://gameranx.com/updates/id/502398/article/konami-producer-would-love-for-hideo-kojima-to-return-to-konami/

>Since then, Kojima started his own company in Kojima Productions, and has successfully released a new IP in Death Stranding. He’s currently working on the sequel to that title and other games. However, some at Konami dream of having Kojima back in their ranks.

>This revelation came during a special Konami Livestream about a certain upcoming remake of a Kojima-made title, and producer Noriaki Okamura had this to say:

>“Speaking for myself, personally, I’d like nothing better than to work with Mr. Kojima and the rest of the team again. If that could happen, it would be the dream. But people have moved on to new things and new commitments, so that’s just our current reality. We can’t just take for granted that everyone would work with us again."

>johnny is in the game
SOVL

>>717469278
>guy reminiscing about the good old days
>anon pretends he is clamoring for Kojima to come back
>most of the team is already working on the 3 remake anyway
lmao pathetic

>>717467972
I have, I gave it a good, long chance but this game is just boring as hell.
This game fails to give any reason to play it over any other zombie game.

>you'd know that not only did stealth kills give you more resources
Sure. kuban energy, which becomes a non-issue 5 hours in.
The problem is the resources for crafting and farming, and playing stealthily burns through those since walking crouched or prone burns through your stamina, an utterly non-sensical game design choice.

>alerting zombies involved a huge fight, which involved big loss of resources and thus was undesirable
Nigger every mission ended in you alerting zombies and having to fight waves of them.

>>717469550
> I’d like nothing better than to work with Mr. Kojima and the rest of the team again. If that could happen, it would be the dream
>this is not clamoring for him to come back
By the way, the CEO who redirected Konami from Triple As to phone games a decade ago, got ousted, this is why the SH2 and MGS3 remakes are happening.

You fags are just stuck in 2015 because you MGSfags got traumatized by the fact that MGSV was an actual videogame and not a shitty movie like what came before.

Hence why you are talking about the Kojima-Konami drama and MG Survive in 2025, a fucking decade after this shit happened.

>>717469651
Sucks to hear you were bad at the game, anon. Did you know that walking slowly takes no stamina? Of course not, you are retarded, but maybe you should try again and not be stupid, make the basic buildings that let you get water.

>>717469990
>this fag again
Sorry, I already destroyed your asshole here >>717466863

>>717469990
>Hence why you are talking about the Kojima-Konami drama and MG Survive in 2025
not that anon, but is there a reason why i cannot talk about survive in 2025? there are people here who talk about FF1, a 36 year old game. what does the age of the game have to do with anything? i am here to talk about videogames.
>You fags are just stuck in 2015 because you MGSfags got traumatized by the fact that MGSV was an actual videogame and not a shitty movie like what came before.
but i am not traumatized by that. i love the phantom pain, it is one of my favourite games of all time. why must you pretend that to like survive means to hate the phantom pain?

>>717470128
>walking slowly
So you are saying a game where moving crouch or prone is penalized is a better stealth game, even though stealth not only is irrelevant but every mission forces you into combat sections, which force you to use the Skyrim mod-tier melee combat?

>make the basic buildings that let you get water.
Or I can go play Dying Light which does everything this game tries to do but better in every way and is actually fun.

>>717470314
>not that anon, but is there a reason why i cannot talk about survive in 2025?
Because its hilarious you fags are still asshurt over it a fucking decade later.

>why must you pretend that to like survive means to hate the phantom pain?
Because the only reason /v/ shilled it was to get "revenge" on Kojima for not making MGSV a shitty movie like the trash Metal Gear had been until then.

>>717457869 (OP)
>>717459148
I doubt it. When it released he laughed and said "That's not metal gear, I don't know what that is." which is a bit hypocrtical, since mgs v did have "zombies" in it.

>>717470646
>>717470314
What I don't get is what caused such schizoid obsession over a franchise that was never very good.
What's worse is these fags obsess over the fucking plot when Metal Gear has some of the worst writing ever.
It was pretty funny playing MGS1 because some fags said it was "genius", that Kojima and Fukushima on it.
What do I get? Maybe the worst stealth gameplay I've ever seen, definitely the worst shooting mechanics ever in a videogame, a series of gimmick boss fights and a story centered on retardation like "soldier genes" while the main character, supposedly a war veteran, goes "uwu I didnt know girls could be so cute" like some highschooler in some shitty romantic anime for teen girls.
What the fuck, how did anyone eat this shut up?

>>717470646
you are saying i am asshurt but i am not. i love the TPP. i have hundreds of hours in it. you just keep trying to assert that which is not true. you seem more assblasted that someone might enjoy something that you don't than anyone who enjoys survive might potentially be over the end result of TPP. you keep trying to assert that the only reason anyone could enjoy it is due to unbridled hatred and unending seethe, and yet that is not the case (with me at least). i enjoyed the game quite a bit and i find its parallels to DS interesting. why does it bother you so that i might enjoy metal gear survive?

>>717457869 (OP)
>>717459148
Its hard to find references to him saying it, but even before MGSV was out, Kojima was saying he wanted to make a 4 player co-op zombie survival game with the FOX engine. I think it could have been something being prototyped before Kojima left buy who knows

People saying they love MGSV... why? I had played all the main MGS games but 5 was a massive let down for me, story a big part of that. I just want to hear a good reason why so I can see the error in my ways.

>>717470681
he said "zombies don't make sense in a political thriller" despite having wandering soldiers that walk like zombies in MGSV, multiple characters that are basically walking corpses, ghosts, characters with ESP and telekinesis powers, nanomachine control in mgs4 (that could be seen as zombie-like), etc. he's also a huge film buff and definitely knows about zombies being used for social commentary, like dawn of the dead being used to comment on rampant consumerism. it is nonsensical for him to say that zombies cannot fit into a political thriller (especially considering everything else he had put in the games). him saying that about survive/zombies was a dig at konami and a brushing off of any idea in peoples' minds that he might have had involvement (which would contribute to sales if he gave it anything less than a snide comment).

>>717470480
I'm saying you are stupid, failed to grasp basic mechanics and are bad at the game
>Hey did you know that walking slow lets you sneak around too?
>NOOOO I NEED TO CRAWL FIVE MINUTES AT A TIME

>>717471105
NTA, maybe it's a thing that had to be experienced in its era. For me at that time, games didn't have this kind of serious tone or present themselves like movies, and have outrageous situations like a scientist saying "it's just like my animes" or such a cool cast of villains that you saw ahead of when you fought them, and who you consoled after you defeated them.

And I dunno, I took the message of the game to heart, about your genes (or anything else predetermined) not defining you as a person etc. Its not the most groundbreaking message but it'll was presented really well

>>717471871
Weird thing to say considering MGS4 too

All I can remember from this game is that I cheesed fences with spears and mg, and that apparently the post-game was so ass I didn't even bother with it. I think I did a single wave defense then was met with a timer telling me to fuck off and come back tomorrow, essentially encouraging me not to play it.

>>717470681
>>717471871
I would kiss an anon who could find what exactly be said about this:>>717471454
I think it was said following the release of one of the L4D games which were mildly popular in Japan at that time I think

>>717462728
>Saying that despite MGS4 already having zombies and V having the lost motherbase soldiers who acted like zombies too

Really using tortured logic there to act like a smark. Why not bring up the actual reanimated corpses from MGS3 instead?

>>717472151
check this "did you know gaming" video.
https://youtu.be/A7HJRZLEmLw?si=Epk6iIBDLk7Cs1K2
starts at around 14:40. mentions his love of dawn of the dead, how he made zombie films as a kid, mentions an off the wall zombie game idea, then mentions a metal gear zombie game idea (rising sequel starring frank jaegar against zombie hordes).

Survivefags still nursing along their schizophrenia and kojima grudge and pretending that nobody else played the game
It's been like a fucking decade, let it go already

>>717461245

Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about, you unfathomably massive retard?

MGS4 doesn't require an Internet connection whatsoever to play you stupid faggot

I fucking hate sub-human 12-IQ morons like you posting like they have any idea about what the fuck they're talking about.

Shut the fuck up, you faggot ass turbo nigger. Get your facts straight before you post again, god damn.

Fucking faggot. Kill yourself

>>717472912
see >>717471438

>>717472948
he's talking about survive, dumbass.

>>717472948
*MGS5

>>717471105
People forgot about Mario and Sonic in a heartbeat as soon as they played the first game, and the Dreamcast died pretty much when the second game came out, so yeah, I'd say it was a pretty big fucking deal.

>>717472948
The lack of basic reading comprehension really says a lot about thr average Kojima hater.

>the word zombie comes from kikongo
HMMMMMM

>>717472948
This has to be the biggest retard on /v/ ever, you make pajeets look like rocket scientists.LEARN how to read retard he's talking about Survive, jesus..

Anyone is this true or schizo babbling ?

>>717474038
who knows at this point. there was a lot of setup for wormholes n shit, then survive kind of gave a payoff for that. likely that kojima was planning something but was unable to follow through because of his collapsing relationship with the rest of the company and then konami just threw something together with the scraps that remained for the next part of the project.

>>717473574
>>717473886
Well well so kojumbo was already putting a zombie spin-off draft while working on MGSV....caught pants down.

>Parasite unit that turns nearby humans into mindless puppet zombies
>Have the ability to cross wormholes
"Z-Zombies dont belong in Metal Gear mmkay" hey here's Death Stranding !
Somehow his derange fan/fuckboys still defending his ass

>>717472803
The chopper crash scene in V is a straight up Return of the Living Dead reference.

KEK so..

are you guys telling me that the ruse cruise is BACK? OH BABY.

I guess the ruse cruiser isn't back, huh?

>>717472803
Cause those are ghosts, homo. Same as Volgin in V

>>717478193
>Same as Volgin in V
volgin is not a ghost, he is much closer to a zombie. quiet and the parasite unit are also fairly close to zombies, basically dead but kept on life support by parasite, more parasite animating their corpses than anything else (like those zombie ants animated by the fungus). or what about these guys >>717474489.
they are ghosts in mgs3, though. except the end, he was retconned into being a parasite thing like the parasite unit.

>>717478768
>not a ghost
Shut the fuck up retard. It was all a hallucination brought on by his corpse.

>>717459148
>to something resembling a "konami cinematic universe", something which kojima had implied he was trying to do.
holy shit ive never been so glad cuckjima was fired before lmao

>>717459792
true

>>717472073
How is that any better than death stranding?

>>717481325
>all a hallucination
no, volgin was comatose, basically braindead. then his rage and "lust for revenge" was ignited by psycho mantis while nearby. he was basically a corpse puppet fueled by telekinesis and hate. he was still corporeal which makes him closer to a zombie.

>>717472948
Lmao at ur life retard

>>717482159
It would have been shit to put something like Castlevania in a shared universe with metal Gear, but u can see silent Hill and metal Gear sharing a timeline.

>>717457869 (OP)
>its a Kojima game

oh hells nah. You a fool to even say it's a Metal Gear game. That's some bullshit Konami took and slapped the Metal Gear name on to.

>>717485859
Read the thread