Thread 717511608

It's legitimately awful

>>717511608 (OP)
I agree. Loved Titan Quest but never liked this.

>>717511608 (OP)
>t. played it for less than an hour

>>717511608 (OP)
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>>717511714
played it for 20 hours
boring as shit

grim yawn

>>717511608 (OP)
>t. played it for less than 21 hours

>>717511608 (OP)
I've started 4 different characters in this to try different builds and never gotten past that swamp region with any of them. It's genuinely so boring and shitty to play.

Try a nigblade.
>>717512337
>restartitis sitting in normal and wondering why he's bored
Every time

>>717511742
TQ2 is buggy bullshit and also braindead easy to break and become functionally immortal.

"From the guys who saw Shrek" kickscammer ripoffs are never good
>b-b-but they heckin made titan quest!
Grim yawn is a total insult towards Titan Quest, game mechanics are a complete unoriginal ripoff, setting is an unoriginal Diablo ripoff as a cowardly kneejerk reaction to ActiBlizzard's then-recent "diablo" game. TQ was about divergent evolution of the genre, grim yawn is retreading same ground in the most banal manner.

All the classes play very similarly, so the gimmick of having multiple class combinations doesn't really work.
The game is extremely ugly too, the magic effects are just over bloomed lights.
It runs like shit, constant stuttering.
The campaign is way too long, and the game only gets fun in the ng+ cycles, since normal is too easy, even with veteran mode turned on.

All that being said, I played like 100 hours and had fun, but running through the campaign multiple times made me drop it. My last 10 hours were on the crucible, but the game's graphics really look like shit on that small arena with all the magic effects on screen at the same time.

>>717511608 (OP)
not awful.
7/10

I can have fun mindlessly killing things for hours until some rare spawn kills you before you even have time to react.
I get bored comparing stats and looking at some gay spreadsheets.

Beats the shit out of last eslop

Cool, now get to the part where you start shilling PooE2 or "Diablo" 4. Grim Dawn is for white people, not tasteless niggers and troons.

>>717512598
Sure would be interesting if you could even pretend to support any of that at all. Start with how the setting is a diablo ripoff.

>>717511742
>nigger quest II

Tried it multiple times over the years. Farthest I get is the castle area base until shit gets too boring and stale. Every time.

Diablo 3 is the superior game

>>717511608 (OP)
I like Grim Dawn :)

>>717514583
Not on PC, since you need to play it online with mouse and keyboard. Fuck Blizzard.

>>717514778
> be adult
> have a job
> have kids
> want to relax
> play grim dawn
> smart enough to understand damage modifiers
> calm enough to not run headlong into crowds
> play one area an evening, exploring map, clearing caves and tombs
> go to bed relaxed
I get why people don't like it and it's a legitimate complaint if you prefer screen flashing dashslop but it's a comfy game

>>717514940
>with mouse and keyboard
Just like the other Diablo games, barring the mobile version of Immortal.

>>717511708
how? Titan Quest literally put me to sleep in the egypt chapter because of how awfully boring it was

>>717515062
D2R plays very well with a controller

>>717515139
Did you sleep well?

Sucks there are no more Torchlight or Sacred games after the second ones.

>>717513671
>Start with how the setting is a diablo ripoff.
Apparently, every action RPG with a grim setting is a "diablo ripoff". Even if it features entirely different themes and inspirations. Diablo is gothic in style and about the whole heaven vs hell shit. Grim Dawn has a victorian/wild west style with themes of cosmic horror and alien threats. Kys retard.

>>717515062
You can even play D1 with a pad using DevilutionX.

>>717515250
No, I had a nightmare where I was playing a shitty game and fell asleep

GD is a great game and has fantastic lore.
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-lore-notes-pdf-and-ebook-epub-new-update-1-1-9-0/50203

>>717511608 (OP)
I disagree. /thread.

>>717512452
ADHD has destroyed them.

>>717512337
>keeps restarting and haven't even gotten past the halfway point of the first act
GEE

>>717511608 (OP)
There's gotta be a better way of making GD threads than this, man. Every time.

>>717516094
It's just like VR threads. Starting threads like this always attracts the worst faggots

>>717516237
>oops we announced the game too early but we're so successful that we can afford to spend all the time we want on it
yeah lol
>https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/fangs-of-asterkarn-development-update-june-2025/146114
good on them though

>>717511608 (OP)
>other high level ARPG items
>+50 att, +50 def, +100 fire damage
>lowest tier monster infrequent from GRIM DAWN
>+5 att, +5 def, +10 fire damage, converts 50% of your physical to fire damage, +2 skill to Fire bash (pyromancer), +2 skill to fireball (arcanist), +85% burn damage, +10% chance on attack to fire three fireballs, cooks for you (on fridays)
literally unbeaten can't wait for the DLC

>>717515305
Read reply chains.

>>717516775
That's your opinion if you only also played D3 or Torchlight because PoE and to a lesser extent D2 are just like that as well.
I would argue that most legendaries having a +X Skill (Class) like D2 is a bit boring and overused in TQ/GD, doesn't make the itemization interesting at all.

>>717511608 (OP)
good, the retard filter is working

>>717512598
Yeah Grim Yawn is overly edgy. Calling gold 'iron' reeks of angst

>>717516775
Grim Yawn just does TQ's itemisation but worse. It's bloated number crunching.

Why does a game need 14 different damage and resistance types?

>>717511608 (OP)
It's legitimately whatever.

>>717518487
This may be the dumbest post I've read on /v/ all day.

>>717513348
This.

>>717511608 (OP)
it's great at filtering ADHD riddled zoomies

>>717511608 (OP)
When's the DLC coming out?
When's Grim Dawn 2 coming out?

>>717519336
Zoomies play Titan Quest because they have taste. GD is for contrarians, it's objectively bad in every aspect

>>717519336
i liked grim dawn during my first playthrough, farming infrequents was when i start to realize the game is trash with completely uninspired itemization and gameplay loop. i tried a second playthrough with a new build and then the 'grim yawn' truly hit me.
the fact that you only have 126 hours tells me your experience wasn't much different.

>>717518487
Holy shit are you fucking stupid?

>>717519802
holy newfag

>>717518487
braindead moment

Are the Titan Quest DLCs worth it? I only have the anniversary edition. Should I first get all the DLCs?

>>717516237
Sick of companies announcing too early. Is it over a year out? Then shut the fuck up.

>>717513651
Fucking based
>>717516574
Yeah, that was disappointing. I was so sure we would be playing it this summer. Still, I didnt think they would do a third expac at all before the announcement, so I can wait.

>>717515024
This. Its the perfect game for people who only have an hour or two a night to sink into a game. The fact that every single zone isnt randomly generated really enhances that too. There are some areas that are huge and easy to get lost in on a first playthrough, but you can do a couple quests and come back to it the next day without have to fill out a whole nother map again. And then theres the proc gen end game dungeons for when you're fully kitted out and want to stuck in something for a good while.

>>717511608 (OP)
Its the best arpg on the market right now. Path of exile was king before but it became too bloated and netcode somehow is getting more shit each league. T.3k hours in poe (poe2 is shit btw) and god knows how many in various other games of this type.

>>717512452
Thats looks pretty cool. My last character was a shaman/soldier who spammed primal strike with the lighting devotion proc. Good dumb fun. I want to try a thorns build next.

>>717511608 (OP)
I'm convinced you just need to be of a certain mindset/personality to enjoy ARPGs cause I just don't get the appeal and I've tried a few of them.
Like there's barely any plot or exploration, just kill monsters in a very disengaged way and they'll drop something that changes some of your numbers. You're not really interacting with quests or stories or npcs in a way that feels very meaningful even superficially.

>>717524045
>there's barely any plot
see >>717515517

>>717524045
In my case, it's the idea of creating an increasingly powerful toon. I actually appreciate the lack of cinematic moments in these games, they let me dive into the gameplay head first. The same reason I enjoy dungeon crawlers like wizardry and elminage.

>>717520346
>the fact that you only have 126 hours tells me your experience wasn't much different
I will probably return for the new DLC, though most likely only for a Normal playthrough. All my stash files were left on my old PC when I moved to another country, and I'm not farming this shit again.

>>717520346
I don't like replaying games, I beat GD once all DLC included and I enjoyed my time with it

>>717524045
Gameplay? Itemization? Challenge?

>>717524045
at the end of the day it really is number go up and getting rewarded for number going on when you craft a good build

>>717524045
I like creating new builds and putting them to the test.

>>717524114
Sure there's lore notes but that's not really enough plot to grab onto, it's not like there's a main quest that I can steer myself back onto once I'm tired of fucking about or doing side stuff
>>717524298
Sure, I like getting more powerful but it just doesn't hit the same way when for the most part it's just some numbers changing. Like it's totally different but I kind of get what people see in it when I compare it to something like Elite Dangerous where a lot of the game is about juicing up your one ship and taking it from getting btfo by npc pirates to dueling other players, maybe I'm missing the improvement of a non-numerical skill like flying
>>717525037
I think it is just this, make number go up for more number go up
>>717525123
I would probably be a lot more into them if I had a good intuition for doing builds, I can't just load up poe and go hrmmm I'll just do all the fire witch passives and see what skill gems I get without inevitably hitting a wall where I need to either roll a new character or go to look up a guide and respec, and that just feels a lot less fun to do a paint by numbers sort've build.

>>717525673
>it's not like there's a main quest that
So you never played the actual game?

>>717511608 (OP)
It's actually pretty sweet if you:
-Play on veteran
-Use a gamepad
-Make a glass-cannon ranged build (kill quick, die quick)
-Reposition with the dodge and a movement rune all the time (you can dip into the forgotten gods expansion to get an early one)

So all in all it plays like an arcade game, eg: Shock Troopers, instead of the boring mouse destroying clickfests that Diablo clones tend to be.

>>717526140
Awesome game, op's a faggot.

>>717526140
>-Use a gamepad
Pretty much all arpgs are great on gamepad.
D2R especially.

>>717511608 (OP)
*awfully fun

>>717526140
Wait wait wait, are there people who don't play on Veteran for the initial campaign run? That explains a lot.

>>717526603
I even went back to classic D2, because project diablo implemented pad controls. Love that mod.

>>717524045
I just want to kill things.
RPG are for retards, by retards. Read a book nigger.

>>717530557
>I just want to kill things.
ARPG are for retards, by retards. Join PMC and go to Ukraine.

>>717524045
>muh story
Who gives a shit? If you don't like videogames, don't play them.

what's the point of arpgs
they're just not fun

>>717525673
Here's the best starting point for build creation:
https://www.grimtools.com/db/items/skill-modifiers
Many of the items modify multiple skills, so it's good to find some synergy.

>>717531301
Autistically building my character to become stronger, killing tons of shit and getting rare loot is fun

>>717516237
>>717516574
I'm kinda tired of ARPG game companies making more expansions when they should've just made a sequel to their games, Titan quest really didn't need them, it unironically feels like unnecessary content bloat.
Grim Dawn is going the same route with the newest expansion, the base game and it's two expansion are already enough as it is, yet they feel the need to keep messing with items and add more garbage into the game. Just fucking make sequels at this point

>>717533214
theyre building an inhouse engine and i believe they plan to begin production on grim dawn 2 next year

Grim Dawn is unironically my favourite ARPG ever
I always get addicted to it when I boot it up again
It does so many things that make me autistically obsessed with it
The meaty combat, the looting, the possibilities for various builds, the amount of different classes you can make from Masteries, the devotion tree autism, the titties popping up on loading screens
It's just Caucasiancore gaming

>>717512337
Filtered.

>>717535378
He'd need to actually start the game lol
Nigga restarted the game 4 times and barely got past the tutorial

If you think Grim Dawn is a bad ARPG, that speaks more for your IQ than for the quality of the game.

Path of Exile still reigns supreme as the best ARPG ever made. Sorry, but that's just the reality of things.

>>717511608 (OP)
It never stops feeling like a cheap titan quest knockoff, I'd rather just play the original instead.

>>717537607
How much time will takes for some dev-house to produce a game that copy part of the game mechanics of PoE? The guys at Last Epocy or Titan Quest 2, if they want to succeded, they should do so.

>>717537607
>>717539337
yuck

>>717515139
I also literaly fell asleep
glad to know I'm not the only one

>>717511608 (OP)
It's alright. The elemental systems are stupid, they just feel like arbitrary colors without any significance behind the element, and the conversion system is retarded, it just means your build sucks until you fully convert all twenty damage types your skill gives, or you just play Soldier and do basically 100% physical and roflstomp the entire game. The components and enhancables and shit feel kind of retarded too, they're way too common and I'm barely bothering with them because I can stomp everything regardless. Loot is way too common, I haven't had to do any grinding even once, and I think I've beaten most of the end game content.

The biggest redeeming feature is that, despite every other skill feeling like wet toilet paper, Forcewave exists. It surpasses all the shit features of all the other skills
>ranged, but not a projectile so it doesn't randomly evaporate mid-air
>fully piercing explosion
>extremely long range
>doesn't require a ranged weapon despite being ranged, so you get to use the overpowered 2Handers that do like 10x more damage than puny 1Hers
>pure physical, no conversion autism
>physical is a very strong element

>>717511608 (OP)
Maybe at the second DLC sure.

>>717537607
I literally do not understand how anyone who hasn't been playing the game since 2012 has gotten into it. Like if you play PoE PoE is like your ONLY game that borders on a second job

Played a four hour long session with friends. Very fun. Never picked it up again, though.
I don't think I'd have fun on my own.

>>717542134
you can beat the game and ubers with minimal time investment if you know what youre doing

the game is straight ludokino with really bad mob variety and all humanoids sadly look like the same gay kenshi samurais with their stoopid cowboy hats

>>717545890
the time investment to get to where you know what you're doing doesn't seem minimal, or you wind up using a guide you don't really understand

>>717511608 (OP)
boring game

>it's another 'ARPG players spend more time seething about Chad Dawn than playing ARPGs thread'
Sorry, I can't you over the sound of slaughtered ethereals.

>>717548797
>such a huge grim dawn fan that he calls aetherials "ethereals"
Fuck off poseur. Just kidding you're obviously a real fan, the only individuals who would accurately know story points/character names/etc of a Diabloish game would be haters looking for something to complain about, real fans click mash through all dialogue.

>>717547060
Not that anon but no not really. Just do some research on the offiical leaderboard to find the best builds and pick one that looks like it has fun gameplay. Then all you need to do is learn how to make currency so you never need to learn how to craft, you can just trade for the gear you need. You don't need the best gear straight away, just incremental upgrades that make sense for your current level of wealth. Path of Building makes that all simple.
Game becomes a pretty standard arpg at that point. I've got 400 hours in it which isn't crazy and I've done every high level content I wanted to. 95% of that time was just playing completely zoned out as is the arpg way

>>717511608 (OP)
For me personally I keep 3 clickers installed. D2R modded for better solo play, Last Epoch, and Grim Yawn. Then I just play whatever as my whims guide me

>>717549730
For me it's poe, tq, grim yawn, and inquisitor.

post meme builds

>>717551087
Unless your build relies on both a conduit and an mi, it's not a meme build. I have nothing.

>>717511608 (OP)
You're legitimately shit

>>717511608 (OP)
It's legitimately good. 8.5/10.

>>717553645
The game goes from okay to KINO as soon as you get North of Homestead. Especially the Asterkarn Mountains segment up through the final boss.

>>717511608 (OP)
I replayed Torchlight 2 because I noticed I'd never had a single character make it to lvl 100. After having done that now...Grim Dawn is a better game, and not having knockback is a big reason. It kills melee builds outright with this one mechanic, not even fumble does it. That every attack has some amount of knockback and bigger enemies can repeatedly push you around and make you whiff attacks, and you have to specifically slot in knockback resistance just to play the game again was fucking obnoxious. I'm glad the character I got to 100 was the cannon engineer and not the berserker. Fuck playing Berserker. Likewise having gear with level and stat requirements and having items routinely drop with either one or the other being out of range for you to wear. Effectively meaning you get nothing, and have to look at it for potentially a dozen levels before you can wear a piece of gear that becomes obsolete by then.

Grim Dawn has its own problems, but knockback ain't one.

They don't call it Grim Yawn for nothin

Having a great time with a Demolitionist/Inquisitor build. Got a piece of gear that gives a bunch of bonuses to thermite mines recently including a +12 second lifespan and I have enough gear bonuses for 16 points in blackwater cocktail. I just paint the map with fire and I love it. Only level 33, but can't wait to see what later stages are like. Wild wasp west is starting to wear slightly thin currently.

>>717554375
>engineer
Hell yeah.

>>717514940
Diablo 3 peaked on Switch, unironically.

>>717511608 (OP)
It's legitimately mid. 9.34/10

>>717554375
I dropped torchlight 2 after about an hour and a half. Never seen a bigger downgrade for a 1 into 2 sequel than that game. Just fucked up down the board in every way possible. Tragic.

9/10 its ok

more like grim SPAWN amirite

Wish they would make a third Torchlight game that addresses all of the issues.

>>717511608 (OP)
I suck at ARPGs in general but I like it

why is druid so much better in immortal than in iv

>>717511608 (OP)
Grim Dawn is unironically the best ARPG ever made

>>717555593
anon there is a third torchlight game. we dont talk about it.

Got bored around the 2nd DLC. Core gameplay just isnt that fun or engaging and most interesting interaction you'll have with enemies is "Oh shit that special just did 80% of my health in single hit i need to do something other than spamclick". I really liked the optional areas and yourchoicesmatter™ quests though.

>>717555727
I said
>that addresses all of the issues

Don't mind me, just being the best necromancer or minion build in any ARPG ever.

>>717556778
That's not diablo 2 necro