Play Fire Emblem! Do it for Mia!

Anyone play fe9 on steam deck? How fast can you speed through enemy phases?

miacina

I'll play FE7 soon as my first FE game

Liking FE waifu designs :D

Actually playing FE D:

>>717584293
If it makes you feel any better, there are more people like you than people that care deeply about the gameplay.

>>717584041
cute

>>717584246
play literally anything else instead

Is there any way to save FEH outside of a complete reboot?

>>717585091
why?

Mia is best girl. Shame she kinda sucks in FE9 but at least they made up for it in FE10.

Fire emblem was a mistake.

>>717582367 (OP)
Is it worth it to actually go stealth in the prison level for the bonus xp?

For me, it's Byleth and Flayn, the cutest FE couple!

>>717585767
Yes, especially on Maniac, you get way more BEXP than you get combat EXP.

>>717585819
I am not on the spectrum so I don't play on Maniac.

>>717585767
You get about the same amount of XP from Stealth BXP and just routing the map. If you want to abuse BXP to train someone I'd probably try to stealth, otherwise there's not much pressure.

>>717585785
Byleth and Seteth.

>>717585874
Only people on the spectrum would consider doing the stealth segment, nice try.

>>717582367 (OP)
Those nipples need some tweaking and twisting.

I don't care that they're not always good, I will never stop using myrmiddons and swordmasters.

I LOVE THE FIRE EMBLEM

>>717586856
Would Swordmaster be worth using if IS adopted the speed based percent damage reduction skills from FEH into the mainline games?

>>717587161
They technically already have that through evasion

>>717582367 (OP)
did u guys finish that Sacred Stones run or nah

>>717587161
That combined with their evasion would make them near unkillable.

>>717587209
>>717587251
Use true accuracy checks for all non-infantry units
Infantry units use a new evasion check method. Hit is rolled once against hit chance, if it succeeds the check is performed again. If the second roll then fails the hit check vs evasion the unit recieves a "glancing blow" (half damage, can't crit or proc offensive skills, can't deal lethal damage) instead of a normal hit. Swordmasters passively have an even higher chance of turning normal hits against them into glancing blows.

Play the Flash FE game, anon
https://flashgames.cx/game/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A8%E3%83%A0%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%83%A0%E6%A0%BC%E9%97%98%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0

Ivy

>>717587784
I did already and it's worth 5 minutes I guess but I wouldn't do it again.

>>717584246
have fun anon

Is Sain just straight up better than Kent or did he get fucked by RNG? He only has a single higher stat.

>>717589046
they forgot to give the speed cav a good speed growth and so kent only has like a 5% growth and 1 point base lead

>>717582367 (OP)

>>717589284
I guess he wasn't that much of a professional motherfucker after all.

>>717585785
https://vocaroo.com/1mQIXcSCxzuj

>>717589046
Sain better
(I love kent and always use him too)

>>717590745
I like both Christmas bros. Kent being on a horse at least gives him some utility.

>>717582367 (OP)
You remind me that I've been neglecting my FE9 ironman run for other games. I'll pick it up this weekend.

>>717585918
I gave most of my points to Soren and the peg knight girl, but they're up to par with the rest of the team right now so I wouldn't even know who to give it to.

>>717582367 (OP)
>sorting through my vidya screenshots folder
>find ones from my last successful Engage ironman where Jade, Lindon, and Saphir actually managed to become stars and saved my ass
>remember how much fun it was
Well, I think it's about time for another run

>>717582367 (OP)
Man Corrinfags are starting to get as annoying as Alearfags.

all avatar characters are canonically male

>>717591817
>ctrl f Corrin
>1 result
Actually rent free.

>>717591817
>braindead porn addicted retard is worse than braindead porn addicted retard
its literally all the same brand of mental illness

>>717592728
I AM NOT PORN ADDICTED!!!

Marriage with Marianne!

>>717585785
You are the world's biggest cuck if you marry Flayn and do all her supports.
Doesnt even has to be max, this girl is lusting for every man dick by B some even C+.
Byleth is a rebound.

>>717591817
Corrinfags aren't that bad

>>717591963
Here's the red pill regarding canon:
Canon only exists in the context of a series of works that directly depend on one another. For example, Awakening's "canon" regarding player variability (i.e. pairing choices, Robin's sex, etc) does not matter in the context of other works within the greater Fire Emblem canon since such things are never really referenced (outside of arguably Robin's default sex being male, but we see both Robins in Warriors and Amiibo Robin is specifically from the Smash Bros "canon"). As such, arguing over what's canon in Awakening is actually just retarded behavior, there literally is not an established canon until a possible sequel establishes one.

Why would someone like Mia?
You do know she's a stinky swordtist, right?

>>717593076
Most people agree that MU is a waifu. I'll go with most people here.

>>717591963
can I still fap to art of the female avatars

>>717585785
Flayn is for Dedue-chan-sama

Most of 3 houses non-Byleth A-supports should've been S-supports

anyone else remember how eliwood promotes into cavalier lol

>>717582367 (OP)
kill yourself /feg/shitter

Come back to heroes

>>717593989
never played it desu

>>717593891
Ike no way fagged this and people will claim he's straight lmao

>check my failed (on chapter 22) No Somniel Ironman save file from 2 years ago
>untouched Kagetsu and Ivy
>using Etie
>Divine Dragon Alear with Byleth ring
What the actual fuck was I thinking back then

>>717589046
Kent really is pretty fucking shit. Even Lowen, the cav that people make fun of for having worse growths than Marcus, straight up surpasses Kent in every stat but speed where he loses out and strenght where he's very similar.

>>717593989
Never.

>>717594056
You were probably thinking of having fun instead of being a meta slave

>>717593989
Only if you do the following:
>Mass simplification of effects (if it can't be described in 1 line, axe it)
>Stat normalization across the board
>Remove percentage damage reduction and true damage/damage reduction
>Remove status effects that require more than one line to explain
>Dramatically reduce mode bloat, I don't want to spend 20 hours a week just to keep up with all the chores

>>717591963
*ah-hem*

>>717594120
>Yeah Lowen has considerably worse strength and speed but he has like better luck or something
??? His only relevant wins are availability and defense. Neither is shit.

>>717594312
Damn, even Roy has bigger boobs that Lucina

>>717594312
KINO

>check my engage cleared files
>no marriage on my first run because I didnt know
>234 all have wyvern alear and she married Merrin every time
>ironman file merrin was dead so Alear married a roided the fuck up warrior Celine
>savescummed dire thunder in literally every run
playing this shit again and wifing merrin a 4th time

>>717594341
>Considerably worse str
-1 at 20/1 is not considerably worse kek
>speed
Even then, Lowen has more con so his speed deficit is less pronounced especially while unpromoted
>better luck
I was more thinking of HP and defense, but that's also important since he won't get crit constantly.
Also, if you skip Lyn Mode, Kent has literally nothing over Lowen, not even spd.

>>717594253
only shitters have difficulty doing both at the same time

Last month I asked for a FE game recommendation, since I only tried Radiant Dawn over a decade ago and it didn't click with me. Anons recommended Engage. I just completed it so here are my thoughts:
-the gameplay itself is pretty smooth even if too simple (sword > axe > spear > sword, etc)
-the game is too easy
-WHY IS THERE SO MUCH USELESS SHIT like talking to characters, collecting shards, collecting materials, etc. etc.??? I beat the game without caring for all of that.

Are there good FE games to play after this, with no time-wasting hub or useless gimmicks? Honestly don't really know how to story went and ended, after a while I just skipped every cutscenes.

>>717594918
Play Conquest next, it might be up your alley.

>>717594918
Did you play on normal? lmao
Take a look at all the games released before 2012, their hubs aren't as egregious as what came after.

>>717594918
any GBA FE is good if you don't like modern hub area filler shit, either FE6 or FE7 are good picks

>>717594918
>played on baby difficulty
>durr the game is too simple (low impact mechanic etc)
if you want no time wasting secondary mechanics then you should play one of the GBA games and stop playing on normal mode.

>>717594120
Yeah.
Lowen was doing great on bulk in the ironman.
Not much str but at level 10 he had 13 def which is 2 shy away from Oswin 15 at Level 17.
He was a cav armor. Once I retake the Ironman I am investing on him.

>>717594918
What difficulty did you play on? Also, you did well to ignore the hub, it mostly exists for casuals to fuck around inbetween maps instead of burning out.
>Are there good FE games to play after this, with no time-wasting hub or useless gimmicks?
Since you didn't like Radiant Dawn I don't blame you I recommend the Archanea games on the DS (the remake of Marth's games), FE6 (the one with Roy), or Fates: Conquest. Note that even if Fates has a hub, it mostly just serves as a battle preps area and anything that doesn't seem very important can be ignored.

>>717594918
>Play on easy difficulty
>Complain that it is easy
>Complain that it is so easy you can ignore important mechanics
What causes this idiocy?

>>717594784
>married Merrin every time
Based and quite literally me (except I play MAlear)
My backup marriage options for consideration have been Citrinne and Jade, but thankfully I've never had Merrin die in an ironman run before run clear/failure
I love her support chain with Alear and she feels like an especially strong Engage+ user, it feels fantastic when she starts soloing enemy armies with it after c22

Also fuck Kent getting 1% crit lol.

>>717594918
You did play on Maddening, right?

>>717595063
>>717595105
>>717595227
Normal mode is supposed to be normal. But it was too easy.
I guess I'll try one on GBA.

>>717595285
Thinly veiled game war bait

>>717595365
Normal = Easy
It's named that so kids don't feel bad about playing on easy.

>>717595365
Normal Mode is Easy in Modern FE, they just go Normal, Hard, Lunatic/Maddening instead of Easy Normal Hard to not hurt the egos of casuals and normalfags. It's a psychological strategy that works because casuals are too proud to actually pick Easy.

>>717595365
"Normal" mode in FE is actually Easy Mode and "Easy" mode in FE is actually braindead toddler mode

>>717594918
>the game is too easy
No one plays FE games post 12 on Normal little bro

>>717595365
Normal mode is easy modo, it's just called that for casuals to not feel bad about their skill issue.

>>717582367 (OP)
anyone know the progress of donlot's fe10 hack?

>>717595365
normal mode = googoogaga baby mode for pretty much every FE
all of them should be played on hard at least if possible, except maybe FE6 since even its normal mode has pretty ok difficulty for newcomers

>>717595441
They added Phoenix Mode and oldfags threw a fit.

>>717595435
>>717595441
>>717595449
>>717595456
What is wrong with modern gamers?

>>717595365
They stopped using Easy/Normal/Hard for a while now because modern players get butthurt.

>>717593891
>Mia begins her Black Knight arc after being rejected

>>717595291
>merrin snags the rarest creature
>actually its satan jr

>>717595532
The only reason Phoenix Mode stopped existing is because the Turnwheel became a thing right after.

>>717595564
Normal (actually easy) still filters tactics-fags

>>717595564
normal mode is the easiest difficulty in Japanese they just kept the translation more faithful

>>717595365
KEK. PATHETIC

>>717595365
if you play GBA you need a battery sav from online to unlock hard mode. it only unlocks after clearing the game a couple of times

the funny thing is that he played radiant dawn first where normal mode is actually kinda hard

>>717595680
gets me everytime

>>717594120
I will never fall for the lowen meme

>>717595365
Normal Mode in this series is for babies.

>>717595750
>clearing the game a couple of times
I wasn't aware the series put up so much bullshit.
Who plays a game twice?

>>717595938
I have played through radiant dawn ~25-30 times

>>717595849
RD is the inverse where they changed it to Easy/Normal/Hard to account for all of the buffs we got in NA.
>>717595680
I hate being associated with shitters like that in AW. Even if AW tests different things than FE in the average map.

>>717595983
But why?

>>717595938
These games give you more units than you can actually use in a single playthrough to encourage multiple runs with different parties and tactics, which actually matters on Lunatic/Maddening difficulty.

>>717595938
For some reason, a bunch of games from that era pulled that shit to forcefully keep casuals away from Hard Mode until they learn how to play the game. It only applies to FE6, FE7 and the Tellius games thar restrict players out of their hard modes.

>>717596059
And people are okay with this?
I noticed that I had way too many useless units indeed, so I just ended up using the ones I thought were the strongest.

>>717596251
>And people are okay with this?
Player choice? Yes?

>>717595365
You don't play RPGs on Normal if you want some challenge silly

>>717593989
drink bleach

>>717595938
>>717596251
Honestly, after you give another game a try, you should replay Engage on Maddening difficulty to see how different it is. It's not just bumping enemy stats here and there, it's a completely different experience from Normal and trying to rely on a handful of units won't work anymore unless you know what you're doing already.

>>717596307
I think I'm just not made for that series.

>>717596561
I just don't understand players like these.

>>717596251
>And people are okay with this?
Yeah.
In general being able to use other units is fun.
Specially with reclassing now though even without it is kind of fun to try bad units.
Sadly this is starting to be taken out due to the bigger focus on story and character supports.

>>717596638
Save-editors? Yeah it does seem kind of weird to change this.

>>717594918
People say play on maddening, but Engage is only seen as hard because it has Dawn Brigade Syndrome.

No thanks.
Weeb Emblem hasn't been good for a long time now.

>>717596756
What does that even mean? That your starting units suck? Even if that were true, it's still an inaccurate description because Engage Maddening is harder in the lategame than the earlygame.

>>717596829
When was it last good?

>>717596756
Engage isn't seen as hard, even on Maddening.

>>717596904
Pre-Awakening.

>>717596904
During Three Houses.
It was a mature and non-weeb war story.
After that it became cringe weebshit.

>>717596756
All the hardest maps are after you get the strong Solm units though. Alear, Louis, and Chloe carry early game quite easily.

>>717596904
Calling it he'll say Path of Sleepyance

>>717596963
So, Marth's games?

>>717596964
>Three houses
>mature
>non-weeb
(lol

What is it about certain FEfags that just hate anime? This is an video game with anime stylized characters. Are they stupid?

>>717593989
>finally made an OC people liked
>immediately dropped her, and started spamming other OCs instead
The dev team baffles me with their stupidity.

>>717597631
Not sure who you are referring to.

>>717596756
Wrong.

>>717597686
Gullveig, the one who sold at the top every time and had a fan response strong enough to immediately win CYL.
IS dropped her the year after (despite her banners that year selling great), and now there are multiple Book 8 OCs with more units than her. And every one of them flopped.

>>717595381
how so?

>>717597896
Didn't she receive an alt every year? Why would they release alts more often than that?

>>717597896
They're not sending their best employees to be the ones to work on the cashgrab gacha game, and that's a good thing. Though it doesn't sound dislike normal IS who is great at seeing the fans appreciating something and doing the exact opposite right after saying they're going to listen to the fans on this one.

>gullshitters crying
You love to see it

So I got late to previous thread but I was confused that Fates seemingly got a lot of rewrites straight in homeland (Hoshido wasn't intended to be a blood-related family) and then the localization further butchered everyone's characters making them simpler and kinder to be more marketable.
Was the plot in the japanese version much better? Because regardless of what it sounds like, Revelations was still all over the place and I see no fixing that, while I guess Conquest could still be saved.
Also why haven't people captalized on this Dark Family setting of sorts and started their own takes on it, the Nohrian siblings are great.

>gullveig
doesn't that character have less art than the majority of Engage characters? And even those aren't popular.

>>717598284
A lot of Fates discussion is headcanon

>>717597896
Loki is hotter, so I'm happy that she's getting more alts than Gullveig.

>>717598129
>Didn't she receive an alt every year?
IS only gave her one alt.
For reference, Heidrun and Eikthyrnir each have two, and they always flopped.

>>717598139
>They're not sending their best employees to be the ones to work on the cashgrab gacha game, and that's a good thing.
Sadly, their "good" employees were the ones writing Engage's cast. Which has less CYL wins than Gullveig does.
>Though it doesn't sound dislike normal IS who is great at seeing the fans appreciating something and doing the exact opposite right after saying they're going to listen to the fans on this one.
That was hilarious. Back around February, they sent out a survey and an email to players saying "No, we're listening!" and then decided to not listen when they didn't like the results of the survey.

>>717598284
>a bunch of vampire tropes
nohrian siblings are pretty generic actually

>>717597896
Gullveig won because fans thought it would be funny and wanted to see what IS would do. Same with Baldr.

>>717598284
>Was the plot in the japanese version much better?
The plot was the same. The localization changes were just in things like word choice and removing the headpatting game on non-lovers.

>>717598458
>and they always flopped.
every banner flops because FEH is a dogshit game and everyone left a long time ago. Emblem Ike was the last straw a lots.

>>717598458
>Le CYL is a valid metric when it involves shitting on characters that I dont like
Fanart speaks volumes.

>>717598528
>Gullveig won because fans thought it would be funny
I don't wholly believe this, because she still always sold well.

>>717598570
for lots*

>>717598613
Imagine being in a mainline game instead of a 10 year old spinoff mobile game, and still losing to new characters from the mobile game in popularity contests.

>>717598643
>because she still always sold well.
Wait do Heroestards still think app store rankings = revenue?

>>717598284
the un-localize patch that came out this year kinda confirmed what everyone knew. conquest still has a boring story with a bunch of non sequitors and a way too passive protagonist.

>>717598284
Yeah, the nip version is a massive improvement. For instance, Macbeth's motivations for going against Kamui isn't because he hates him for some reason, but because he's trying to take out the traitor he sniffed out.

>>717598491
I don't disagree but I find it confusing to portray it as vampire tropes. More European fantasy tropes. Xander is a classical chivalrous knight, his personal is literally called Chivalry, and I feel like he's mostly Arthurian inspired. Leo is the smarter younger brother who similarly embodies knightly values. I guess I don't really know what you mean by vampire tropes.

>>717598730
Does she have more fanart than fucking Ignatz yet?

>>717582367 (OP)
Mia doesn't shave her pussy

>>717598748
>gullveig months do $5,000,000
>eikthyrnir months do $2,000,000

>>717598835
>Muh Ignatz test
I don't think Gullveig is all that popular either, but that's a dogshit metric.

>>717582367 (OP)

kill yourself gacha shitter

>>717598905
If a Gullveig released now the revenue would also be 2mil.
/feg/ is convinced that Hapi and Baldr sold bigly while Celica flopped, despite both June and July having the same revenue.

>>717598967
A tripfag made it up because he was desperate.

>Gacha mentioned
>Thread quality nosedives

>>717598491
Leo and Camilla are the only ones that come off as vampire/slav inspired

>>717598967
>>717599038
The ignatz test is a meme but I doubt that Gullveig is more popular than a lot of the characters she beat in the grand scheme of things. CYL is just a silly metric when it lets you vote for the same person 7 times.

>>717599045
/feg/ keeps trying to force their shit on /v/ when they can't even enjoy their own hugbox.

>>717596756
Wrong. Engage Maddening gets difficult once you get past chapter 17. Early game you can get hard carried by Celine + Celica, Chloe + whoever, and Louis + Sigurd. Mid game you can get hard carried by a choice of Pannete, Ivy, Merrin, Kagetsu, and Hortensia. Come ch19 the gloves come off and you best know how to abuse corrin with all the miasma spam, you better be able to one round armor, fliers, and mages because come chapter 20 if your army cannot reliably do that. You are gonna get rekt.

Fe should do a crossover with disgaea

>>717599264
Post her without a towel now

>>717598815
>leo avoids sunlight
>cant dress himself properly because he can't see himself in the mirror
>loves tomatoes and tomato juice
>controls things like gravity and dark forests
total vampire
>elise is the recent anime trope of the innocent vampire that doesnt realize her nature and tries to blend in with human society behind the backs of her family
vampire
>xander is the vampire trope of having pride on the surface for everything he has accomplished and crippling self-loathing underneath for what he has to do (nyx support especially)
>camilla is hot with big booba and likes long baths
vampires

>>717599045
I do that intentionally. I love causing chaos.

>>717599342
Xander is also a pale ass motherfucker

>>717599170
Again, of course an OC from year 7 of a dead game isn't as popular as fucking Edelgard.
But the point is more that "INSIDE of the phone game, IS should have been smart enough to cater to the audience that consistently bought Gullveig alts."
It just shows how bad their business sense is. Same thing happened with Ivy. Ivy always performed well, but the last Ivy was two years ago.

>>717598430
>>717598491
>>717598561
>>717598785
>>717598814
By the way, how are Three Houses and Engage? I never played either. But if the localization sucks I guess I can try to use a patch or something and run in an emulator.

>>717599342
you must be a gaiden archer with all that reach

>>717599441
I liked them

>>717599441
kill yourself

>>717599342
>>cant dress himself properly because he can't see himself in the mirror
Oh shit it was a reference to inability to use mirrors that he didn't dress properly?

Will you gacha retards please fuck off? Nobody cares about your dead mobile game

>>717599441
3H has good story, shit gameplay.
Engage has good gameplay, shit story

>>717599441

>>717599441
The localization for both doesn't really affect the plots. 3H changed a teeny bit in supports, but Engage changed quite a lot. About half of Engage's romance endings are gutted into "and they were just friends" despite you handing the character a literal engagement ring.
You can emulate 3H raw, but Engage might be worth getting a patch for. 3H also had a good dub, but Engage's is very hit-or-miss, so playing it in JP audio with a properly translated script would please you more.

>>717599342
I mean, sure, I'll give you these are vampire tropes, but they aren't really defining parts of their characteristics. Other than the Xander thing, that one seems a bit too common to be specifically associated with vampires. And personally I would have said Camilla uses charm and allure like a vampire.

Cutesythea

>>717599583
Why is the gameplay bad?

>>717599514
>>717599583
>>717599609
Alright thanks

>>717599641
it's very repetitive and tunnels you towards making everyone into a wyvern lord.

>>717599641
Are you asking this so 4 anons will waste their time describing it in detail despite already knowing the answer? Rhetorical question btw I already know the answer is yes.

>>717599583
3H also has a bad story though

>>717599641
you will get filtered in chapter 1 and 2 because the balance is revelation tier and the amount of chores makes the experience a slog

>>717585785
>Flayn already passed on her Crest before the beginning of the game
It's over.

I kinda miss all the dark colors in the SNES fe games. Like thracia is incredibly atmospheric. I could be deranged though

>>717599641
It's not the worst FE game ever, but it's very much in the Sacred Stones/Awakening/Birthright "bland maps you can omnitank" kinda game.

>>717599723
Fielding more than 3 fliers is pushing it, though VW gives you a 4th good Flier battalion so it's more tenable there. You're losing out on a lot of valuable stats and Gambit utility running the C rank fliers instead of some of the best battalions in the game like Goneril Valkyries, Leicester Mercenaries and so on.

>>717599641
Monastery really ruins it
Training your units is a huge time sink

https://youtu.be/hCu8ixZb8_A?si=owjD58ryr_G7jhBN

>>717599342
>>717599621
Camilla’s name is a reference to Carmilla, a lesbian vampire story that arguably created the entire genre

>>717599928
spoken as someone who never play 3HRT maddening lmfao

>>717600146
Why would I ever do that?
I could just play a different videogame.

>>717600130
The obsession with bathing together is also a nod to the bathing in blood practice that Elizabeth Bathory supposedly had.

>>717600202
because you are a pussy

I see Leo and Camilla sure, but I don't see much vampirism in Xander aside the dark knight appearance. Much less in Elise for the matter. Unless Elise's trope is that of a vampire being much older but looking like a kid, cause she is an adult and all.

>>717600202
resident schizo, please ignore him

>>717599954
During my SS run on Maddening I had 5 fliers and they came in clutch with dealing damage to Rhea and then using canto to retreat and letting someone else deal damage to the broken barrier.

>>717594918
I don't think Engage is as hard as everyone lets on but yeah, you didn't get the real experience, playing on grandma mode. Somniel does suck cocks, play a hubless game next as others have suggested. You also kinda took the wrong lessons about what is meta in gameplay (it has virtually nothing to do with weapon triangle), which I guess is excusable since it's your first game and you played on babb difficulty.

>now they are sucking off treehouse script

>>717599583
3H's story is weighed down tremendously by a number of really bad decisions:
>Act 1 being the same across all routes despite being very obviously written for BL.
>Refusal to commit to moral ambiguity, rather opting to play "pass the villain ball" to keep the player from feeling any amount of regret over their decisions.
>Connected to the above point, but the mole people are very blatantly plot devices that only really exist in the world to put pieces in place for the big three kingdoms esque conflict. They disappear from the story when no longer needed and are practically dismantled off screen in half the routes despite their massive importance to the actual events of the game even being able to occur. Ironically, their lack of depth also means any route that does delve into them is weaker for it, as it distracts from the far more compelling Empire vs everyone else conflict.
>Byleth is just a really shitty main character, boring as fuck Mary Sue that introduces plot holes by existing.
I think the reason a lot of casuals don't really catch on to these issues is because 3H does two narrative things really well.
>The characters, while hit and miss, have some really good stand outs among them in regards to characterization and depth.
>The game genuinely has some really amazing big moments. The ending of AM might just be the most heartfelt, tragic, and emotionally impactful ending in any FE game period.

>>717600456
Nonetheless you have 10 deployment slots in that godforsaken route and 11 in the rest, so half your team isn't fliers. Another point is that there is a single Magic boosting flier battalion and it's DLC only. Galateas, Cichols and the in-house fliers are all worth using, but there is still a lot of cost to it. Even then I will concede it can be worth it anyway because Wyvern Lord as a class is absurd for other reasons like its stats, but my point is that you're starting to lose out on a lot of nice things around there.

>>717600636
Most people haven't played more than 1 route.
And if that's all you experience, you won't know of all the inconsistencies of the plot.

>>717600672
>5 fliers, 2 bow knights, 1 dancer, 1 support mage (female), one free slot
Wow great unit diversity.

Creampie sex with Marianne

>>717600741
Even when you play one route, you still can't ignore shit like Byleth falling from a cliff for 5 years

>>717600785
I'm suggesting running 3 Fliers, with another available using DLC or if you're on VW with Claude's Immortals. Past that there's a lot of great other battalions other than C ranks you could be using so there's opportunity cost.

>>717600785
>Free slot
Used by a Stride Slut

>>717600790
>still no seasonal unit

maybe you will remember the terrible 20 fps cutscenes too

I want to spend a whole month without washing my penis and balls, and then force Mia to blow me.

>>717600636
How is Byleth compared to Corrin and Robin?

What class makes sense for Alear on a no-Somniel run?

>>717601130
play it yourself and find out, you retard

>>717600636
I love how the moles were responsible for a lot of the shit that happened in the game's history and are the main villains of part 1 but seem to vanish from the story completely during part 2.
I honestly think that either the church route or VW was supposed to be all about them but Koei didn't even bother.

>>717601130
Awful. Corrin gets a lot of shit for being a very passive and meek lead character but at least they have an actual character that's tethered to the world they exist in. Byleth is just a poorly done Persona protag, a mute emotionless freak that everyone inexplicably loves. It's even worse when you consider that the "fun" of an MU is customization yet Byleth is the least customizable character in their game.

>>717600130
>>717600264
Sounds like a left over from Fates originally being a vampire Fire Emblem.

>>717601417
>but at least they have an actual character that's tethered to the world they exist in.
lmao no. Corrin is a Disney princess from a completely different reality, and the universe contorts around her to justify her actions.
How the fuck can someone be a vegetarian during a food crisis? How did she beat multiple armies non-lethally?

>>717601504
IT WAS?

>>717601417
It's really lame they didn't let us change around Byleth's aptitudes and growths a bit.

>>717601550
That was one of the original concepts. Castlevania Emblem

>>717601130
Worse than Robin, but leagues better than Corrin and Alear. Mostly because he doesn’t make you wish you could punch them in the mouth everytime they open it, like Corrin and Alear.

Guys, Corrin and Byleth both suck. So much.

>>717601554
>aptitudes and growths a bit.
yes, it was bad decision
Especially considering that it directly ties to which characters you can recruit on NG run
How am I supposed to train axes or horse riding on a character that is good at sword and white magic?

>>717592770
sauce me brother

Totally organic conversation of shit that already was spoken.

>>717601540
>and the universe contorts around her to justify her actions.
No, Corrin's family loving her is not "unreasonable characterization". Outside of the retarded "can't have a main character that kills good guys every map" shit there isn't much that really paints Corrin as any "better" than any other Marth-coded lord.

I need to mount Corrin

I know it's impossible at this point, but I wish the next game would drop the avatar entirely. I'm so fucking tired of the messiah character that everyone sucks the dick off.
I know it won't happen because Byleth was still super popular despite this.

>>717601728
Alear wasn't nearly as bad, but I'd rank them
>Shez>Robin>Byleth>Alear>>>Corrin
The only people pretend Corrin is decent is because the female version is hot. If you told someone to only consider the male versions, Corrin would be at the bottom.

>shartz at top
kill yourself

>>717601540
>How the fuck can someone be a vegetarian during a food crisis?
That's a lolcowlizer line, Cyrus never says that dumb shit in the original version. Hell, it makes no sense since Corrin can benefit from cooking meat at the mess hall.

>>717601550
Yeah it was. Wouldn’t have worked out because Kumoro would still be writing it and we’d still be stuck with Corrin, instead of a buff manime protagonist like Simon Belmont.

>>717601873
You're not wrong, but it has more to do with Corrin's personality being unattractive on a man but attractive on a woman.

>>717601815
>Outside of the retarded "can't have a main character that kills good guys every map" shit there isn't much that really paints Corrin as any "better" than any other Marth-coded lord.
Why did she only tell everyone about "the bridge to another dimension" in one route?
Why did she think attacking two armies would get both armies to stand down?
Why did she go off alone with a stranger boy in another realm without telling anyone else?
And that's all just from one route!

>>717601861
>I'm so fucking tired of the messiah character that everyone sucks the dick off
That's most lords

IS just needs to start making the avatar an ugly, short chud - male only. Same writing quality, just make them look like Zola. Then no one will defend them.

>>717596050
he couldn't answer this softball boss

>>717601861
>I'm so fucking tired of the messiah character
You don't need to be an avatar for that

>>717601948
take your meds

>>717602012
True enough
I want more PoR Ikes, I guess

>>717602050
and you get better taste low IQ maggot

>>717601873
3H baby as fuck rankings

>>717601965
Yes, but I'd argue that applies to all of them except maybe Robin.
>female Shez is a cutey bimbo merc
>female Byleth is quite literally the matriarch of Fodlan, as well as a hot otome teacher
>female Alear is also a Disney princess, but has more conviction in her actions

>>717602075
That's the biggest Mary Sue in the series though

>>717601873
Kriscels, we're forgotten again...

>>717602095
stay mad

>>717602012
Really? Eirika, Hector, Lyn, Eliwood, Sigurd, Leif, Marth, Alm, Celica, etc. etc. had constant dickriders who inexplicably wanted to sex them for no particular reason?

>>717602130
I think Byleth works either way, Byleth doesn't have much of a personality so you can dictate it. I can't take Engage seriously at all.

>>717602178
>Alm
yes.

>>717602146
at least my taste isn't dogshit like your imbecile

>>717602253
thank you for listening

>>717602249
Faye is nu-FE headcanon. And she's treated like the neurotic cuckquean she is.

>>717591963
Male Kamui always looks like a total faggot so I'm never using him.

>>717601815
You mean ISIS Marth who might as well be Princess Peach with how weak and often he gets kidnapped. Kaga Marth on the other hand was a badass.

>>717602000
Curse
Couldn't pick between sides, also that's literally a player selected choice
Who knows
Fates has some very contrived writing in general, I don't think it's fair to blame Corrin when every main character suffers from it. For the most part, especially in CQ and BR, Corrin is just doing what they can with a shitty situation.

>>717602045
Micaiah is the worst thing to come out of fire emblem

>>717602241
Byleth does, but given how Byleth is a vessel for Sothis, the female one just makes more sense to me.
The only time that's not the case is when it's male Byleth romancing a cute girl like Shez or Rhea or Marianne.

>>717600672
>a single Magic boosting flier battalion and it's DLC only
dark flier is dlc too so it's a moot point

>>717602025

>>717602358
>Faye
>Mae
>Celica
>etc etc etc

>>717602439
Micaiah could've been cool if it wasn't for the stupid blood pacts.

>>717602394
>Curse
No, you can't talk about the name Valla, but you can talk about the bridge and take people to it. They even do that in Revelation, which begs the question why they didn't do it in the other routes.
>Couldn't pick between sides, also that's literally a player selected choice
Again, you're being disingenuous or dumb. Why would ATTACKING two armies work? Why wouldn't Corrin just run in between Xander and Ryoma instead?
>Fates has some very contrived writing in general, I don't think it's fair to blame Corrin when every main character suffers from it.
Corrin is the protagonist. A bad one.

>>717602563
>Mae
>obsessed with Alm
Nigger what?

>>717602612
yes, dumb fuck.

>>717602495
50% is yellow dough

>>717601785
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/128776740

What's worse than the horrible class balance in 3H is the horrible character balance. The Lords and Byleth break the game in half in every run due to the busted shit they get.

>>717602657
Okay, schizo. Celica is also not obsessed with Alm btw, they're just childhood friends.

>>717602657
>boey's wife

>>717602459
Yeah, I was chewing on it and I agree that given Byleth is supposed to be a resurrection of Sothis, it'd be weird for Rhea to implant that in a male child.
>>717602472
It's not exactly moot, you can use Magic Combat Arts or weapons in a flier class anyway, I did it with my Frozen Lance Marianne before getting the Nuvelles in a couple of maps where I wanted a flier and while getting her Darting Blow. Realistically you probably aren't going to stay in the flying class as a magic user without DLC past that, though. At best you can cope with Falcon Knight's Lancefaire but you might as well stay a Paladin with a proper Magic battalion at that point IMO.

>>717601728
3Hfags really have no taste

>>717602582
>Why would ATTACKING two armies work
Because that forces the armies to fall back, the game tells you that. Running inbetween both armies would get Corrin killed, as shown by the gameplay.

>niggas dont think elise is a vampire when she is the most tropey one of them all
/vfeg/ needs to watch more horrorkino. I recommend Shiki

>>717602706
>The Lords and Byleth break the game in half in every run due to the busted shit they get.
Good. They should have been stronger.
Imagine if 3H actually buffed Crests the way that Engage uses Emblems in its plot. Stuff like having a paralogue where you can't use any crest units, or changing ending dialogue based on how often you deployed crest units (and therefore agreed with the current nobility system).

>>717602889
>watch
You can't filter me when you haven't even read it.

>>717602563
Alm only had three girls like him Clair/Celica/Faye and the last one was added in Echoes to satisfy someone's cuck fetish. Clair gives up on Alm when she realizes that he likes Celica and proceeds to marry Gray instead.
Mae is for Boey as they proceed to have a football team worth of children.

>character interacts positively with the lord in any way = THEY ARE LE OBSESSED AND WANT HIS COCK ALL OVER THEM

>>717602582
>Why wouldn't Corrin just run in between Xander and Ryoma instead?
Yeah that worked so fucking well for Elise.

>>717602889
counterpoint

>>717602889
>weebslop lolipires
not a real vampire trope

I'm thinking of giving Blue Lions Maddening another try. I beat Maddening before with Golden Deer but that was a long time ago. I don't have much of a strategy in going in (besides making Byleth Claude-lite by making him a Wyvern who mains Bows) and I'd like some build ideas. I particularly remember having a ton of trouble dealing with the Siege spam in the end.

>>717602138
How? Are you sure you're not thinking of RD Ike?
PoR Ike constantly gets shit on, even by his teammates.

>>717603216
give dimitri the chalice of beginning and every booster and rp as the boar

>3HRT need dlc to beat their badly balanced game

>>717603216
You can always deal with siege formations by warping somebody in to snipe them then having them Canto out. But there are easier ways, like with Bow Knights or Thyrsus users in Valkyrie or Dark Knight. Lysithea can even get another +1 range from S rank for 6 range in Valkyrie. You want to certify Armor Knight on any unit below 12 DEF at level 10. Even a couple points below is like paying a bit of gold and EXP for a DEF stat booster, well worth it. This also helps you certify Brigand which every physical unit wants to do for Death Blow, similarly every Mage wants to go through Mage for Fiendish Blow. Archer is also an important certification for Hit+20. Finally, women can go through Sky Knight for Darting Blow if they have good doubling prospects, like Petra or Leonie. It can take a while to get all these skills so putting people as an Adjutant on your Byleth or Lord with the Knowledge Gem will help push you along eventually, or feeding fodder sidequest chapters to them.

>>717603216
Blue Lions is really easy since Dimitri is broken and Byleth is an unkillable dodgetank.
>I particularly remember having a ton of trouble dealing with the Siege spam in the end.
Just use Retribution.

>>717602138
Eirika is clearly the most wish fulfillment bait character in all of jrpg history. Everyone wants to fuck her, even her enemies, and her brotherhusband is this omegachad barbarian that literally drives people insane with grief and jealousy.
>im naive and hyper feminine but none of my actions have any consequences teehee~

>>717603315
PoR Ike is also a huge ass Mary Sue, even the so-called adversity he faces from his teammates is just so that he can be sucked off more. Even fucking Shinon's dislike of Ike is just used as an excuse to show how strong Ike is once you recruit him.

>>717603654
>Eirika is clearly the most wish fulfillment bait character in all of jrpg history. Everyone wants to fuck her, even her enemies, and her brotherhusband is this omegachad barbarian that literally drives people insane with grief and jealousy.
>>im naive and hyper feminine but none of my actions have any consequences teehee~
that's literally every FeMC in the series

>nobody took the bait

>>717602959
Compare how Dimitri is treated in 3H with how Byleth is treated and you'll immediately understand the difference. You don't even need to look outside the game. Chrom and Robin is another one for you.

>>717603754
It's a not very convincing distraction of Ike essentially getting handed down everything like any noble would.

>>717603779
michaiah and lyn and lucina don't have brotherhusbands and enemies in their stories barely interact with them

>>717603654
>none of my actions have any consequences teehee~
Her actions have a lot of consequences, the hell are you talking about? She gets betrayed several times in her route because of her idealistic world view

eirika is the only female MC who almost ends the world by having a woman moment

>>717603806
link the bait

>>717603920
I'm tired of people hating Eirika and Ephraim for still trusting Lyon at that point. It's justified.

>>717603920
Anon, your Celica?

>>717603827
What's funny is that the nobles in FE usually have to work hard as hell to get their shit. Like hell, even Ike's legendary weapon is literally given to him on a silver platter BY HIS OWN ENEMY.

I play FE heroes

>>717603979
you talk like a faggot so kill yourself

>>717604025

>>717603189
Why wouldn’t a Japanese game with standard Japanese tropes baked in also have a specific Japanese vampire trope as well?

maybe lyon should've used the same paralyze spell that he used on ephraim in that lava place on the finale :^)

>>717603920
first of all that 'woman moment' was completely in character and would be a blatant character assassination if it happened any other way
second of all (you) are genuinely soulless if you would look your best friend in the eyes while he dies in front of you begging for help when you know for a fact he does have the power to save himself with the stone. actual demon if you would withold the stone and watch lyon die.

>>717604024
Marth in FE1 or FE3 has to work harder for sure. He doesn't get his special weapon without hunting Gharnef down. Seliph has to work harder. Leif has to work harder.

>>717603979
Ephraim's mistake in his own route is not trusting Lyon, ironically. The twins have to work together because they both have their own issues preventing them from being heroes on their own.

>>717603654
>none of my actions have consequences
>Seth saves her twice over in 8 chapters
>She gets manipulated to give up one of the sacred stones because the DK knew that she loves Lyon

>>717604147
>Marth in FE1
This is probably the only lord in the series who ISN'T a noble considering his kingdom was already wiped out

>>717604051
I hope you have a better day.

>>717604145
They ought to put an awakening choice prompt in that scene in the remake

it takes a fucking while to get going but I find it really fun to see skill autists like shinon and mia to constantly proc skills like adept or corrosion for funny memed

>>717604025
Not by choice, I assume.

>>717604319
based

>>717603994
They rewrote that entire thing. Celica never had any elaborate bargain with Jedah, it was either give yourself up or Alm gets trapped in a zone with infinite dracozombies.

>>717604145
maybe if this supposed best friend didn't have his soul eaten by literal satan and hadn't tried to kill you 5 minutes ago you would have a point

>>717603653
Byleth is massively overrated as a unit imo. Having a hard time pivoting to flier really hurts his viability.

>>717604431
kekkkkkkkkkkk

>>717604394
Alm could tank that

>>717604451
I had a Byleth that had like 25 SPD at level 35. That Byleth felt pretty bad. Usually my Byleths are monsters.

>>717604451
byleth is better the less you use him before EO since he is then underleveled with all of EO's bases

>>717604451
>his
There's your issue, FByleth is much better since you can her into a Falcon Knight and dodge while killing everything thanks to Retribution.

>>717604431
Did you forget that Eirika asked Lel if there was any hope at all, and Lel confirmed that it was indeed possible for Lyon to be saved if he was strong willed enough? Eirika is proven right about believing that there's a possibility for Lyon to resist the Demon King too, since he actually does manage to do so in the Ephraim route.

>>717604630
I never thought about doing this before, but if you could have a level 5 or so Byleth go into Enlightened One, that would be pretty awesome.

>>717604394
She never had to even give herself up in the original. From what I remember, she talks to the sage in the Lost Forest to get Alm out of the infinite Dracozombie hell and then just goes to Duma's Tower and Jedah traps her there. That's it, no bargains, just Celica falling for a trap and needing Alm to come save her.

>>717604451
>>717604672
You just go Grappler for Fierce Iron Fist instead. Its a digusting combat art.

>>717599448
good one.

>>717604775
You remembered wrong. The Halcyon convo is what triggers Alm's promotion in both versions. The dracozombie hell happens afterwards and if you dont talk to Jedah then it will continue infinitely instead of just like 3 back to back battles.

>women sniffing out if a guy is on the spectrum vs women sniffing out if the demon king whom you know has possessed your friend and you know uses his likeness to deceive you and whom you know needs the dark stone to complete his plan is maybe just maybe is trying to trick you again

will the next FE also fuck up swordmasters instead of just giving them the crit bonus they deserve

>>717604529
In my experience Byleth always ends up feeling like a Jagen with a hard to repair PRF.

>>717604672
That's fair

>>717605030
>hard to repair PRF
Just use the rest command :^)

>>717604964
When is Fallen Eirika?

>>717605028
They were fine in 10/11/12, PU sluts in Awakening, Astra was one of three relevant procs in Fates, SM was memed on in 3H because Astra was shit and swords dont get many good combat arts. And now its bad in Engage because Griffins have similar parameters but with flight and c staves.

>>717605030
>In my experience Byleth always ends up feeling like a Jagen
Are you doing your runs without relying on the monastery?

>>717604964
its okay, you can just admit that you are soulless and not a real human being with hope or feelings. what a great protagonist you would make.

>>717605289
It would be perfect for these midwits who want their badly written power fantasy

>>717605217
Fates Swordmaster is a good class if you're Ryoma or Xander. You can also cope about it being good on Corrin for Great Lord's Awakening skill stuff, but +5 AVO is not worth losing Shurikens really, so Master Ninja is better.

>>717605217
they really need to scrap combat arts for good, they pointlessly fuck up class balance since they're so all over the place. i get that some people like how they make speed less vital, but the biggest problem with speed is how important it is for survivability (ie armors are fucking dogshit), not how important it is for offense

>>717605028
just give them adept as a promo skill. swordies usually take about a round and a half of combat to kill something, so adept will make them one round more reliably

>>717604737
>that would be pretty awesome.
Yeah, it's completely broken. 3H's decision to have class floors is the most exploitable part of the game for unit building

>>717586967
What an unbelievably retarded looking character

>>717605449
The reason Armors suck isn't because they're defensively unsound, it's not that hard to get one tanking indefinitely on Maddening. The problem is getting them to meaningfully counter, which takes specific battalion skills to do early and specific class skills to do later and HP thresholds that are very clunky to set up on the unit.

>>717605449
If Astra was actually good then swordies could cope with SM instead of them being forced into a flying class because all they have are Hexblade, Soulblade and Windsweep.

>>717605289
the idea of a possessed friend tricking the MC into fucking up by appealing to emotion isn't inherently bad, but the writing around it in SS is terrible, and that's why it gets memed on so much

>Red units put down fucking light barriers so all my foot units are locked out of progressing on the fucking bridge
who the FUCK brought the pitfall bridge back I want to strangle them

>>717605449
If you want to buff armor tankyness, just make Wary Armor an early game skill
>B-but that would be OP
No it wouldn't, it would still fall off for the player once their armors get a decent spd stat
>B-but I want to double enemy armors
They're meant to be harder to kill, making them not get doubled forces you to respect their stats and target their weaknesses.

>>717605226
Students get way more out of monastery time than Byleth does

>>717605487
Guess you can also do it with the Lords too, but you probably would want to pick one to do that between Byleth or them since somebody has to do the heavylifting. The class base stuff does add a lot of strategic planning to Three Houses that I enjoy. Even something as trivial as certifying 17 STR on a mage had its uses. Lots of potential like that.

>>717605603
armors are pretty dogshit in the series overall is what i meant. radiant dawn just made them slightly slow instead of 0 speed rocks and they immediately were pretty reasonable if they weren't meme tier like meg

>>71760574
>slightly slow
gatrie can double some niggas at base lok

>>717605643
>the writing around it was terrible
It was perfectly setup.
>Eirika asks if there's a way to fend off the Demon King
>Lel tells her that there is a story about someone of sufficiently strong enough will being able to fend him off but it has only ever happened once in recorded history
>Eirika heavily believes in Lyon's character so she clings to the last hope
>It fails horribly because Lyon was too far gone
>Lel feels like shit for leading Eirika on and Eirika resolves to fix her mistake

>>717605028
Fates had it perfect:
>Swordmaster gets crit and evade
>Sniper gets crit and hit
>Berserker gets massive crit
>Spear Master gets crit and crit evade

>>717605726
Mostly because Byleth is busy spamming shit to raise Professor rank for the first 7-8 chapters. You can't afford much faculty training before then, it really cuts into reaching A+ by Chapter 8 which is nice for doing all the Paralogues cleanly.

>>717605746
>Slightly slow
Gatrie has a ridiculous 60% Spd growth and is one of the faster GMs when everyone is still gaining speed. He's literally crippled by his class cap.

>>717605726
What I meant to say is who exactly is getting the stat boosters from the garden?

radiant dawn gave shinon 2-3 range on promotion. and tier 3 classes are essentially just tier 2 classes in other games lets be real.

I feel I was pretty horrible in FE when I played Awakening and slightly less so in Fates but in BIrthright I was over-relying on Ryoma and in Conquest I had to lower the difficulty because Hard mode that Takumi battle kicked my ass noon to night.
What was I supposed to have done in either? Units I should have focused on, classes I should have changed?
Awakening felt so simpler. Like, the moment I stopped relying on Frederick the earlygame got harder, but everyone got far more EXP and the midgame became a breeze.

>>717605821
he gets fucked by his speed cap eventually
i dont think its rocket science though, if you're gonna make a class about eating physical hits but then give them only one half of what makes units good defensively they're going to suck ass.
>armors like 2 points slower than fighters/soldiers/other mid-tier speed classes, now they're not eating pointless doubles
>still too slow to double anything, still getting double by fast classes like swordmasters and pegs
problem solved

>>717605905
then just look at the interactions between your units and opposing armors instead, you actually groan at enemy armors because you can't mindlessly double them 100% of the time

>>717606070
Awakening and Birthright are among the easier games in the series while Conquest is one of the hardest, and would be a challenge even on Hard for someone who's only played the other two, so this is a pretty normal experience.
Lobster Lord solos Birthright so hard the whole last half is a joke

In which Fire Emblem can I romance little dragons?

>>717606237
>Awakening and Birthright are among the easier games in the series while Conquest is one of the hardest, and would be a challenge even on Hard for someone who's only played the other two, so this is a pretty normal experience.
Wonderful I feel less shit now.

>>717606287
Too many

>>717606287
Not enough

>>717606070
CQ heavily rewards having a plan. Sniper Boss Killer Mozu, Mage Tank Corrin, Mage Tank Leo, Sol Xander, Vantage Sweeper Ophelia, etc

>this mechanic that encourages interesting tactical decisions and tradeoffs on player phase is bad because it wasn't in one of the two gameplayfag-approved games (Conquest and Engage)
Combats are were fine

>>717606287
Awakening has Nowi and Nah.
Fates has yourself.

>>717604025
Nice, me too.
I just got the new Veronica. Her maid outfit is pretty.

>>717606070
>Awakening
Frederick is one of your best units on every difficulty. You just have to realize that only half of your deploys actually matter for combat, everyone else exists to be pair up fodder or staff/dance utility.
>>717606084
The actual crippling flaw for most armors is that they have bad movement. Even something as simple as normal infantry movement at T1 but no gain on promotion would make them feel a lot better to use.

>>717606405
no one cares gacha tranny

>>717606287
fe7

>>717606363
combat arts* fug

>>717606363
>tactical decisions
>combat arts
Nice one

I want proper Weapon Triangle back.
Break can come back, but it should be on specific weapons, like how we have armorslayers and killer weapons.

Creampie sex with Kana (M)

>>717606363
>"interesting tactical decisions"
yeah like mashing swift strikes and hunter's volley everytime? the interesting stuff like encloser or whatever can just be their own weapon and the cool option gets preserved. it's just an unnecessary extra variable. i dont even like conquest or engage

>>717606363
get them an awakening -> fate pair-up redesign and then we'll talk

>>717605835
and the game makes it very obvious that it wasn't ever going to work
there was obviously a setup laid out before the big moment, but it just makes her look like a retard still because the game makes very little attempt to actually make you the player think that there might be any part of lyon left in eirika's route
it's the usual JRPG trope where the game has to beat the character's personality traits over your head to the point the scene doesn't feel realistic anymore

>>717606070
>What was I supposed to have done in either? Units I should have focused on, classes I should have changed?
In Conquest your class-changing is extremely limited in the early-game by Heart Seal availability. Common choices for the first one are Paladin Jakob, Archer Mozu and reclassing to your selected Corrin class, of which people usually like to pick Wyvern for being really good in general. And people pick a LUK bane, then feed Corrin the Goddess Icon. Boon, HP, STR, SPD, MAG are all compelling options for their own reasons.

>>717606312
You could try playing FE6 next if you enjoy the fundamental SRPG gameplay, it's a step up in difficulty from Awakening and BR, but not insanely hard, and doesn't have anyone that can sweep entire maps on their own like Awakening characters or Ryoma.
Ike's games are also a good choice since they have skills like the ones you played, and aren't completely braindead.
After either of those to teach you more about making long term plans for your army, Engage Maddening or Conquest Lunatic salty runback would be a good challenge.

>>717606363
Except they don't though? There's specific combat arts are so much better than the others that you just brainlessly use them to win. It was the same in Echoes with arts like Double Lion. And even conceptually, just the idea of "option to hit thing harder than normal" is fucking boring.

>>717606518
camilla...

>>717606363
>Using a nuke option instead of coordinating your formation and maximizing attacks is an "intresting tactical decision"
Combat arts are shit

>>717606070
>What was I supposed to have done in either? Units I should have focused on, classes I should have changed?
You can use literally anyone in Fateswakening, contrary to popular opinion about BR especially. People think Birthright is a Ryoma stomp by necessity, but that's only because they don't make sound unit-raising decisions before he joins. The key thing is to pick a core and funnel resources into them heavily. The best non-Ryoma units are mages actually, so unironically consider units like Orochi, Hayato, and even Rinkah. As well as the ninjas kinda, but their bulk is on the shitty side as the game progresses.

>FE trannies are mad they have attack skills like FFT
(((lol

>>717606408
>The actual crippling flaw for most armors is that they have bad movement.
This is always a big one. It doesn't feel bad that bad in Three Houses when everybody else has 4 MOV but it starts feeling really bad at 20-30 and that's around when I stop finding Armors useful. You can deploy them but unless you are playing at a snail's pace (and I already play pretty slow) they will have trouble extensively contributing to combat solely by their ability to reach it.

FE girls need to pee on me

>>717606650
>>717606718
Every game has meta options. I would rather combat arts be the meta than Bonded Shield spam, like it is in Engage.

>>717606731
1. FE is not FFT. FE is FE.
2. Numbers are much larger in other SRPGs like FFT and other SRPGs than they are in FE which is why attacl skills work better there. An attack skill in FFT isn't (usually) an instant nuke button of an enemy unit.

>>717606408
>The actual crippling flaw for most armors is that they have bad movement
yeah but that's the design premise of the class. great combat on either phase but they're not able to put themselves into prime positions easily. the solution is to
a) actually make their combat good enough to compensate for the bad movement
b) add options to cart around armors (rescue staff/spell that refreshes uses, rescue command from fe5-10, shove, reposition, temporary move stat buff options, etc)
c) not fucking make the game base 4 move or whatever because then armors have relatively less movement unless they have infantry move at tier 1 and 2
infantry move armors has been done in romhacks time and after time and it's the lamest shit ever

>>717606962
>"great combat"
>almost never doubling
(lol

I just hope they keep martial arts. fuck give us a martial arts lord instead of Sword guy #54

>>717607024
yeah thats why you give them crazy high strength

>>717606962
Basically we need armors that counter everything on EP.

kaga games had 5 move armors and nobody gave a shit

>>717607059
IS is too stupid to do class prfs, but armors getting strong 1-2 range weapons locked to only them would make a lot of sense

>>717606908
Too bad your negro lover kusokihara has other ideas, it too 16 games for FE to have player AoE attacks (those dogshit gambits btw).

>>717606408
>>717606618
>>717606362
>>717606723
Thanks bros
>>717606637
Funny thing is Radiant Dawn was my actual starting entry due to SSB. But my Wii doesn't turn on anymore and there are no repair shops with pieces to ifx it. Perhaps I'll try an emulator one day

>>717607095
giving armors 1 more move isn't going to help with their subpar combat lol

>>717606518
she milks him

>>717607095
>kaga games had 5 move armors
In games where infantry had 6 move, dumbass.

>>717606070
Pay attention to the dangerous enemies and come up with a counterplan to them. If you recognize them, you can make a plan to break the enemy formations.

>>717606962
Hector and Engage armors do the infantry movement at T1 and no gain on promotion.
>>717607130
Longbows were locked to archers in multiple games.

>>717607303
A Conquest noob uses Azura's Dragon Vein on C9 immediately, an experienced player saves that shit for the annoying as hell paired up reinforcements.

>>717606907
I don't dislike Combat Arts for being "meta". I dislike them for lowering the strategy in FE.

>>717607174
Fuck Kusokihara, he's the one that wants to turn this series into a poor man's FFT, as if we didn't have enough of those on the market already.

Is Lunar Brace skill inheritance a meme or still worthwhile? (no Ancient Well SP books)

>>717607303
thank you chatGPT

>>717607197
Giving them better combat isnt going to help when they literally do not see combat. Armors are also generally very difficult to rescue too.

>>717607428
>lowering the strategy in FE
What does this even mean? How do they "lower the strategy"?

>expect Mia image dump
>only a few images
Disappointing

>>717607404
>Hector and Engage armors do the infantry movement at T1 and no gain on promotion.
yeah but they don't do anything about the lack of speed. the amount of defense you need to compensate for how slow you are is retarded, although fe7 is a joke of a game enemies are slow as shit
>Longbows were locked to archers in multiple games.
I know but they dont use class locked weapons liberally enough, its a great way to flesh out class identity

>>717606070
i-is that a…

I'm shadowing my dragon

>>717607436
Lunar Brace inheritance was always a meme.

Canter and +SPD on everybody is the most braindead way to do it.

>>717607535
If you make armors on a whole faster then it also applies to enemies as well. Hector, Louis and Oswin are not fast characters but they are useful.

>>717607627
Your damage will be shit in the lategame with those skills.

>>717607538
Do not question it.

>>717607436
It was always kind of a meme. Just barely on the edge of affordability pre-well, while not offering a ton of utility. Sub-10 player phase only damage is just not that great no matter how you slice it - it's only good in the context of Eirika because it comes with her whole kit and doesn't take up a slot or cost SP. So yeah, even if you're pretending power skills don't exist, it's only good for making pure bow classes slightly less shit, or something.

>>717607736
I've never had a problem with it across my 3 fixed growth playthroughs.

>>717607627
You can count the number of actually useful inherits for the average mage on one hand.

>>717582367 (OP)
>>717593891
marcia deserved ike more

>>717586856
nah, pirate/barbarian maps become too easy

>>717607670
yeah, and if you want to see how faster armors play out, just look at RD. the armors are actually bitches to take down because they're only a bit slower than average instead of randomly having like 5 speed even if they're promoted like other games

Alright, I think I'm gonna give up on doing a Ironman of Gaiden. Not sure what it is about this game that makes it so hard, FE1 was pretty easy, but after 2-3 weeks of not even being able to get past chapter 3 I want to move on. Will finish the game once by reloading and then move on to Mystery of the Emblem.

Here's Satan Clair. Seems fitting considering how prone she is to dying.

>>717607764
>Inheriting meme brace on Sniper/Elite over extra speed, bow focus or momentum (if you're going down the Astra Storm meme route)
>>717607736
That's not true at all.

Nyoom

>>717607862
Its less faster armors and more that a lot of RD's cast are just fucking slow. In addition to weaker mages and rare anti armor weaponry.

Also Armors need to have good DEF and RES.

>>717607438
It's the best advice I can give, since CQ likes throwing a bunch of weak enemies that suddently become a problem if you get caught by the 1 or 2 dangerous units in the squad. The chapter 7 Faceless are a great example, as they only become a threat specifically when the paired up seal spd faceless close in. Figure out how to deal with these specific faceless and the map is as good as solved.

Wary Fighter is all a general needs

pavise is all a general needs

>armors need good mov
>...and good spd
>...and good str
>...and good def
>...and good res
So...what's their weakness now?

>>717604329
I liked that about Awakening, too bad it didn't have any concrete consequence on the story

Sex with Alcryst girls

>>717607841
>marcia deserved ike more
but not the most

>>717608229
>armors need to not be doubled constantly and instantly deleted by 1 enemy mage with 2 magic and a wind tome
>NOOO YOU CANT DO THAT THEIR CLASS IDENTITY IS BEING SHIT

Armors should have innate Provoke

Armors are honestly a pretty decent class already in FE. In fact, there's more games where the armors don't suck than games where they do, as they usually fill out their niche well.

>>717608229
Yes, having less MOV than everybody else is worth that much. If FE was a less strange series most of the fliers would look like your stereotypical GBA Peg.

>>717608229
enemies should have more STR to make DEF more valuable
but the games focus too much on giving enemies SKL SPD and skills

why is the bow knight squad so cracked in genealogy end game lol

Armors don't actually get doubled that often by fodder mages. We've had this discussion before. The issue is that Fire Emblem incentivizes certain unit characteristics and armors by design lack almost all of these incentivized characteristic. Really their only meta trait is defense, but it's not enough to salvage them. FE gameplay is genuinely not complex enough for the role diversity that armor knights insinuate. It's a fast paced tactics game about covering ground and killing lots of enemies on their own turn. Armors don't fit in well with this schema.

Edelgard's class should have been able to use magic

>>717608572
High str is what fucks up armors in the games where they're bad, actually. Bors can't tank in FE6 precisely because 90% of the early game hits way too fucking hard, unlike Doga who can actually take hits as he should.

Why do armors need to be fixed? Let them serve a niche of being early game tanks until your frontliners are able to tank.

>>717608698
Like any other thing, you just design the maps around them. Reinforcements that come from behind that can be blocked in a choke, that sort of thing. Protracted battles across the entire map rather than squad vs. squad.

>>717606618
>And people pick a LUK bane,
Imo there's a very strong case to be made for STR bane, specifically on a Corrin that wants to abuse Horse Spirit anyway. +MAG -STR has quickly become my favorite Corrin build.

Cavs=middling to low stats with high move
Memedons=high skill and speed
Mercs=less skill and speed for more strength, HP, and defense
Armours=high defense and strength
Fighters=High HP and strength

I just pick my Corrin's boon, bane and talent at random.

>>717608894
Why are you british

>>717608715
thank god you don't make vidya

>>717608378
This. Gave it to Gatrie and never regretted it.

>>717608229
you're piecing together what different people said as if it's one singular viewpoint
if they have lower move they need to have extremely good combat to compensate. if they have baseline move like shitty romhacks then they're just infantry that maybe can eat hits if the attacker is weak enough to do no damage even when doubling

>>717608894
Mercs are the best. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

>prepomote with capped stats BTFOing the scrimblo you trained all game

>>717608939
Canuck and it's more correct to use u in words

>>717608982
If you want to train a scrimblo why does a prepromote having better stats matter? Are you using the scrimblo or not?

>>717608826
Kinda, yeah. But then you have to constantly be going out of your way to force in opportunities that make them appear superficially useful, and there's still the inescapable feeling that it's grunt work. Oswin gets to stay back in the cuck zone and babysit Merlinus. But there's no glory in it. It's a bit thankless, really. Arden even joked about it as early as Genealogy, he's basically a caste janitor and he knows it.

Use Bartre the BASED

>>717608826
it's not that complicated, the series has tons of forms of movement assistance but refuses to piece them together in a game where armors are actually worth a damn. warp, rescue, shove, repo, stride, etc all offer armors pinches of extra movement but those options both need to be there and armors also need to have good enough combat to warrant the movement support. armors can be viable in games that revolve around forward-moving deathballs (the generic FE scenario), IS is just dumb

>>717608715
>character that canonically never had a close call until the start of 3H
>covered in giant scars
Pick one.

>>717609298
what is this dogshit romhack

>>717609298
Or Lot the ONSLAUGHT

>>717609324
>Expecting 3H fans to actually play the game
Lol

>>717609391
FE6 remake in FE8 with skills. Project Ember iirc

>>717609324
Is Kostas just that GOATED?

>>717609324
She just fell down the stairs please understand

I will abuse Byleth's boobies with my penis

Byleth doesn't wash her panties

How the fuck are we already at bump limit

Armors should have Sword+Lance access with full triangle control on promo.
Cavs should be limited to Lance at base and get Axe on promo.

I hate how in Engage that even when you promote non-royal characters to their "canon" classes, they lose their unique outfits

Next thread should be heavy

https://youtu.be/fCv_bxAPwQU?si=Clkun9--xjLPDrqz

I tried to think of a game where Armors aren't completely awful and I could only think of Gaiden, but that's only because the enemies are so shit you can still double them with Knights. I suppose they're alright in Thracia (Dalsin with the Brave Axe, Xavier with the Brave Bow). I guess that's due to the dismount mechanic in certain maps? Interesting.

>>717610005
If she did, then Sothis would have awakened then.

>>717610872
7*
10*
11
12

>>717610553
Their promoted outfits are just fancier versions of their base outfits though.

>>717610872
FE1
FE3
FE7
FE9
FE10
FE11
FE12
Engage

>>717610872
Armors are fine in CQ, Effie is genuinely one of your best early units and Bennie does his job acceptably especially with Wary Fighter.

Have a snek.

Brown girls are sexy

>>717611024
Nah, they definitely lose their unique clothing, they just keep their unique palette. Which has been standard since Awakening.

>>717611351
they added Elimine to feh?

>>717611120
Effie is one of your worst, actually. She doesn't reach oneshot thresholds naturally, she struggles to tank because the early game doubles her or bypasses her def and her low mov means that repositioning is hard when she's the leading unit. Her main purpose of existence is taking Arthur's Big Justice Cock

>>717611338
I'm talking about the Royals' unique classes.

>>717611470
yeah

Nevermind, I'm illiterate.

>>717611561
The anon you were replying to was talking about non-royals

I need to marry every single FE girl

>>717611537
Arthur is dogshit dog but whatever.

>>717611338
3H let you pick between class outfit and standard outfit which I thought was really nice.

>>717605289
>storyfags when you make a minor critique of one character decision

>>717611659
It's okay, Ninofriend. Deleting my post too.

>>717611659
happens to the worst of us

>>717611470
Quite a while back, yeah. Even had a vtuber voice her. It was weird.
They also added a few obscure pulls like Ullr, Altina, and Hel.

>>717611775
Arthur unironically is a better tank than Effie. He's the main unit I use to take on chapter 9 since he can handle every single enemy on the map with a bit of backup.

>>717611838
One of these is not like the other.

>>717602380
fe3 book 2 literally opens with marth being a crying ineffectual incompetent little bitch

>>717610553
surprised they never patched in anything there considering you can mess around with their Somniel clothes

Which FE male would make the most affectionate father?

>>717612156
Hel's design in Heroes is specifically based on the Hel Tome sprite from Genealogy, where she's a long-curly-haired skeletal woman on a throne made of bones.

>>717599429
She cant beat Chloe.
The fact is that its hard to care anout Heroes metric because its very feasible most people play it because its a gacha first and FE second.
So Gullveig is VERY likely to dissappear from the FE fanbase consciousness when it dies.

>>717611989
Yeah I sure do love tanks with less def, still shit speed, and also a 2% to just fucking die (lmao using your goddess icon on fucking Arthur to delay the problem) while also having worse skills, worse accuracy, and a worse weapon class.
Get out of here you fucking retard. I'll tolerate Arthur faggotry up until you start saying actual retard tier shit like that.

>>717612520
>uses Chloe as an example
Reminder that Chloe was a massive outlier for Engage, and did as well as she did because she had the only good design for Engage's pre-release press.
Slap Gullveig in a Nintendo Direct, and she'll churn art like Cia did in 2014.

it's the funniest shit when Arthur gets gamble during chapters 9 or 10

>>717612683
We dont live in what ifs.

>>717612792
Yeah, so we'll never see "what if Chloe didn't have writing that killed her popularity?"

>>717610170
Oh...

You've heard of the Ignatz Test. Now get ready for the Chloe Test.

>>717612526
>less def
He has more HP which is more important for tanking. Demoiselle also works for him, so he can benefit from the almost global army buff if you have Felicia unlike Effie. Plus axes help keep him in neutral or wta against most the enemies he fights unlike Effie.
>Shit speed
He's very average in speed, being only 1 point slower than a non speed boon Corrin at the same level and he has a good 50% growth.
>2% to just fucking die
Skill issue, there should never be a time when Arthur can actually die to a crit.
>worse skills
HP+5 is one of the best skills in Fates, and both Hero/Berserker give amazing skills.
>Worse accuracy
Only because axes are the least accurate weapon type, but that's never stopped them from being the best weapon type. Use strategy.
>Worse weapon class
Imagine calling axes bad in fates (lol

>>717613021
>Gullveig now outnumbers Ignatz
>tripfag so mad, he takes his trip off and starts talking about Chloe instead
>Chloe, the character who got seasonals in FEH, but got no fanart for them

>>717613091
>baiting this hard at the end of a thread
For what purpose?

>>717613212
>Game discussion=bait
That's news to me