>the least played origin protagonist because no one wants to be self inserted as a black man

>>717595303 (OP)
>add black niggers to your game
>put them front and center in your promotional material
>no one wants to play as them or see them
tale as old as time

>>717595378
fpbp
https://files.catbox.moe/wrwiq0.webm

not being racist here but blacks do not belong in fantasy RPG settings other than some kind of tribal zulu types who don't possess a language. They are immersion killing.

is playing as one of the premade characters fun

I wish one of them was a male warrior tho for me to self insert

>>717595303 (OP)
Why is there such a big deal about rescuing his father? I just let him died

>>717595796
Not significantly more than playing a custom character. It's honestly a pointless feature they could do without and instead spend the dev time developing other story branches, but they seem to like doing it for some reason.

>>717595796
they have unique stuff
you can play as gale and change him to warrior

Pic rel was the funniest shit ever when you consider that the DEFAULT human character is a black disgusting negro woman.

People ACTIVELY switched that shit to a normal white dude and Larian was SEETHING they were actually engaging with the character creator lmao. If people never even clicked any option and just selected the default nigger, they wouldn't make that blog post - meaning that it's a bigger offense to switch to a white dude than not using the creator at all.

>>717595823
Because strong bald black man is the most important dude in LE DIVERSE BALDUR'S GATE and you WILL care about it.

>>717595303 (OP)
They also changed his story last second and made him safe boring guy instead of a prejudiced manipulating mercenary like in the EA, because how dare a black man be portrayed as morally grey

Every companion in this game is absolutely shit.
Gale after nerfing his gay shit is okay, Shadow with mod that removes her retarded scripting is also basically a MANDATORY character to have because so much of the MANDATORY main story set pieces are centered around her.

>>717595796
You can change astarion or gale to fighter class

Not even niggers want to be black

>>717596221
that is anti ludo

>>717595303 (OP)
He's not played much because most people use custom created characters. Stop trying to convince yourself that everyone is a deranged racist like you. Your life will infinitely improve when you trade your racism for logic.

>>717595637
Being racist here, but blacks do not belong in fantasy. Because a true fantasy is a world without them. Meanwhile IRL, it spremicy is the ultimate evil that can be vilified in every media at all times, but we had a major movie about an all black utopia lead by a superhero god king. Thats not my fantasy though. That's Jewish fantasy.

>>717596105
>Duke Lance Reddick

>>717596487
Among origin characters, he was the second lowest. The lowest being Lae'zel.

>>717595637
Cope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-qsVS8zeU&list=RD6M-qsVS8zeU&start_radio=1

>>717596496
>Jewish fantasy
>Nigger utopia
lol, kikes aren't happy until every single goy is a neurotic miserable wreck with no identity, just like them.

Nothing to do with race he was just too soft and fluffy. We wanted to see him show some aggression and actually believe in something

>>717595303 (OP)
At least he has a hot demon owner you can romance.

>>717595303 (OP)
I mean he's also the least attractive and has the most uninteresting story and personality, those probably don't help either, the first time I saw him at the battle in the grove's gate I just thought
>who's this jerkoff rando, why did the cutscene focus on him like that, that was weird
it didn't even occur to me that he was one of the main characters because he felt so bland

>>717597695
I wouldn't call a one night stand a romance.

Fantasy WEST
>A myriad disgusting mysterious meat mess, niggers are patronized and YAS QUEEN everywhere, hamfisted modern politics galore with they/thems and faggots, self-hating whitoids, and no nigger filth identity of their own in the world because whitoids desperately want to suck up to niggers afraid that they are going to lose their slave cattle at any moment.

Fantasy EAST/CHINA
>Make it racially homogenous and have a closely respected view of their history/mythology that respects their culture, and showcase disparate racial groups within the world.

>>717597779
At least it's something. If you don't take Wyll you can't have any hot demon sex.

>>717595303 (OP)
>black boy*
Fixed.

>>717596487
post picture of your character

>>717597817
>Fantasy EAST/CHINA
>Make it racially homogenous
Black Myth Wukong literally had almost no humans at all though it was a fuck ton of furries.

>>717595303 (OP)>>717595378
I’m racist but I gotta disagree. The problem is they don’t give you cool blacks. Blade is cool, I have no problem playing him in Midnight Suns. But just like how they can’t make a modern day Blade movie, they can’t make a cool black character.
>>717595637
Killmonger was the closest to decent character the MCU has come in a while and he was full of white hate. But when they make characters they want you to like it’s shit like Riri. Super genius, woman, entitled twat that steals and works with bad guys but never gets any real reckoning because she’s just amazing and awesome. That Star Wars shitshow had the same issue. Protagonist is somehow super powerful and special, is objectively horrible and makes actions that make no sense but she also can’t be criticized. In games, the Forspoken chick is about the same from what I saw.

Wyll is more like a Captain Falcon type hero. If he was white he’d be called the dullest most tryhard “I have two sides” wolf meme. But it’s like they can’t see how lame their writing is because he’s black.

>>717597817
Ironically Cathay is soulless dogshit

>>717595637
You can't avoid blacks because as the op states, it's about self insertion. And humans in fiction need to be all humans, otherwise why have any humans at all.

>>717598045
Black Myth Wukong HAD humans though you duplicitous nigger, and they were ALL Asian/light-skin. Well, uncounting the main character being one of your cousins.

>>717595637
>do not belong in fantasy RPG settings
Well, not medieval european fantasy rpg settings.
Much like white people don't belong in feudal japan stories pre...early 1600s?
But if someone made fantasy africa, or even fantasy egypt, then you can have black characters in there. Hell, if you set it during a sepcific 100 year period, you can have black pharaohs too.

>>717595303 (OP)
no
I want to play warlock, but not as some cringe pre-written snorefest, I want to imagine my own Patron their rules and such

>>717598263
Yeah, soulless, TOTALLY, compared to nigger infestation, woke, tranny, and them/them slop for the kino westoid nations!

>>717595303 (OP)
Calimshan game when? I need my 1001 nights kino

>>717598263
>niggers are "SOUL™" now

>>717595378

>>717598617
Never, we need to push the modern agenda and propaganda that muzzies and dunecoons belong to not-Europe.

>>717598558
I've only played total war warhammer and the empire and bretonnia don't have niggers. Cathay has a lot of strong womyn though

>>717595469
based

>>717595796
it's a pretty pointless feature
>>717595303 (OP)
the fact they made him gay jacob like when he was more interesting during the beta and they apparently changed him last minute makes it 100% seems like hasbro told them they couldn't have a black who was a bad person

>>717595637
I thought it was really weird BG3 didn't have more racism. Seeing dwarves dating dragons and no one cared is very odd.

>>717598781
Total Warhammer fortunately was created before the soulless reinvention called the Old World, and CA stayed trued to it's setting.

>>717596042
I'm 100% sure this is why you can't edit the hirelings without mods

>>717596487
he's the second least played origin character. I think it was something crazy low too compared to gale and astarian

>>717596042
I've done multiple playthroughs of BG3 as all kinds of characters/races/builds, but this pic is always what I think of when I think of the "canon" Tav, it just looks right.

>>717597817
Why do they even add lizard, vampire, cows, and all that if this is what they think what their players want to be represented as?

>>717598243
they rewrote his character between the end of the EA and release of the game to make him be jacob. hasbro 100% told them they couldn't make a black character anything other than the most white bread boring 100% goodie 2 shoes

>>717595303 (OP)
that's because he acts like a bit of a tosser.
even if he was white, he'd still come across as a bit of a tosser. nobody wants to be a guy with such an obviously pretentious design.

>>717595303 (OP)
they gutted his character from the alpha.

>>717595303 (OP)
>He carries the sword on his back.

Pathetic.

>>717598896
hasbro and the faggots who took over DND are trying to remove racism whereever possible because
>muh racism is bad
as though its not fun as fuck to be racist to fictional races

>>717598340
Several of those literally are not human, and are merely disguising themselves.

>>717599212
larian being lazy as shit about mounting items

>>717598896
>>717599269
you faggots know nothing about forgotten realms. i dont even like forgotten realms, but its always been like that.

>>717599205
I liked EA wyll. I liked the idea of him being largely some larping fag doing it for attention that got sucked into a deal with devils because he got owned by goblins and his ego couldn't take it.

>>717596487
He's by far the least popular companion in the game too.

>>717599410
if you played a drow there should have been shit like witch hunts after you like in the previous baldurs gate games how viconia almost gets killed twice by witch hunts. and should alsp still happen if your the "good" drow because who's going to believe "yeah I'm the same as those evil murder dudes but my eyes aren't red so I'm a good guy believe me"

>>717599192
This. I played co op with my buddy who is a bit of a lefty every time Wyll spoke he would say "shut up Wyll" and we failed his quest to send him to hell and delete him out of the party because he's just lame as fuck

>>717599464
I would have broughted EA will along desu, I think it would have been fun to try to turn the dude LARPing as a hero into an actual hero in his own right throughout the course of the story

>>717599712
Exactly!

>>717595378
>black people complaining on twitter every time an update was released because the character didn't receive "love" for the devs (because they are racist) unlike fags like astarion

>>717595303 (OP)
I thought Khalid was cool, I thought Yoshimo was cool, and I think Wyll is cool

doesn't help that the whole deal with his dad is also boring. mizora is neat but theres too little interaction with her to make the run worthwhile

>>717597695
>>717597921
>demon
REEEEEEEE

>>717599040
I don't have it handy but the graph was funny because it showed distinct tiers of popularity. Gale and Astarion were neck and neck, then Karlach and Shadowheart were neck and neck, and then Wyll and Lae'zel were neck and neck. The way I saw it, Gale and Astarion were the male playerbase, Karlach and Shadowheart were the faggots and women, and Wyll and Lae'Zel were the undesirables. Yeah, Astarion's a flaming homo himself too but these are the choices made by the unwashed masses juet going off looks and first impressions for who they want to play as.

>NNOOOOO don't make him into a cravenous, useless nigger who abandoned his last party to make them die and get eaten by goblins, and who got his Warlock powers because he desperately wanted to feel powerful and is a phoney, coward constantly lying about his past/identity!!! THAT IS A LE RACISM!!

>Make him unabashedly heroic with no faults, annoyingly noble to the point of disgust, and a unrealistically gentlemanly who got Warlock powers to save a little boy! If you fail to do that I will call your studio racist and call the NAACP!

*blocks your path*

>>717595303 (OP)
it's funny. I played through this game with a black friend and even he didn't use this faggot. He used Gale for most the time. Then switched to Wyll around Act 3. It's even funnier when you realize we were using that party size mod so he definitely could have used him at any moment.

>>717599897
What's wrong? Daemon sex too hot for you?

>>717600030
>Yeah, Astarion's a flaming homo himself too
as a mc, he doesn't have to be. thats the joy of playing the character yourself

>>717600030
People who play the premade characters instead of making their own are soulless automatons and shouldn't be considered at all

>>717599596
you know he's the least popular when there's no fan art.

Nah, /pol/, it's because he's boring, but thanks for /pol/splaining your agenda I guess?

>>717595469
I didn't know streamers could be so based. Who is this chad?

>>717600395
Seething incarnate lmao

>>717600315
youre not special for playing a tiefling babe like every other teenage boy

>>717600447
Stop seething at me, /pol/tard.

>>717596042
>no beard

>>717595303 (OP)
he's a lightskin so even the people who want to play as niggers don't want to touch him

>>717598361
That would require imagination and ambition instead of just copying the same setting that everyone else has for the last century

>>717600112
he was so based

>>717595823
because his father is politically important figure in Baldur's Gate, and basically you don't want him to die because he can help depose Gortash politically.
but it doesn't really matter because Gortash dies. Even if you side with Gortash he dies like a RETARD

>>717595303 (OP)
Even black people think he's shit though.
More so than every other piece of shit character in BG3.

>>717595796
Not really, some of them have some extremely minor extras but if you're expecting something like the SaGa games where the game is actually designed around them you're going to be massively disappointed.

>>717600395
if he were a attractive woman, more people would care

>>717600464
Failed fishing expedition attempt. You have no soul, you're nothing but an empty husk occupying space. You will never ever be human.

>>717595303 (OP)
He's Milquetoast Man. Dude has zero edge or charm, they should've kept his Goblin seethe from the beta.

>>717596763
yeah that looks stupid

>>717598243
I don't watch Marvel garbage but enjoy your low IQ slop

>>717598314
I would get banned if I were to meaningfully reply to this
>humans

>>717598361
Yeah there are exceptions actually. Even Elder Scrolls gets a pass because Redguards are meant to be Moorish Arabian blacks which is actually fantasy-period accurate (say what you want about Elder Scrolls, but the lore is good).

>>717598896
I mean... there was a bit of casual racism, or what one might call "racism". It was mostly against the "evil races" like goblins, hobgoblins, ogres and whatnot. Like, it's ok to be racist against them because they are so monstrous anyway, kinda like Vorcha in Mass Effect. No one seems to want to defend something so obviously demented and evil.

>>717597817
>Arthurian legends

Larian sucks because they didn't let me make a party of multicolored tieflings.

>>717601048
Truth nuke

>>717600107
lel, it do be like that
>>717600030
gale is high because autists use him for speed runs and if you had to use a character he makes the most sense because white man. I think Lae'zel is unpopular because githyanki and a fighter. most new players don't want to be a gith and autists don't want to be a fighter

>>717600395
jacob was unpopular too

>>717601265
Who is Jacob?

>>717601265
but the priiiiiiiiize....

>>717601103
>promised to make hirelings fully customizable
>PROMISE BROKEN
The dicksucking Larian got has been so very frustrating.

>>717599212
Funny how this guy literally voiced a character in bg3

>>717595303 (OP)
>"be anything you want" kind of an RPG
>playing as already pre-established characters
why would anyone do that?

>>717601265
Jacob was also boring and literally cucked femshep for a random NPC he knocked up between ME2 and ME3.

>>717600998
>I would get banned if I were to meaningfully reply to this
>>humans
Woopedy do, want a cookie? Personally I don't care enough about distinctions by faggots like you trying to undeservedly ride some racial high horse when if you look across the entire world and history, you see every single race of human acting like degenerates at one time or another because humans, ultimately, are just uppity MONKEYS with too high an opinion of themselves.

>>717601139
The stereotypical player in any DnD game is a White male fighter. It was the exact same for BG3, to the point where they even bitched about it on social media.

Lae'zel getting shelved has more due to the fact she's vying for a spot that is most likely already filled by the player character.

>>717596763
>Comments are turned off for this video. Learn more.

>>717601521
I never said whites are perfect or incapable of violence and that's not what any racialist argues.

>>717600732
>if he were more interesting more people would find him interesting
Obviously

>>717601521
Every race has highs and lows, except for one or two in particular that only have lows and have never once contributed to improving living conditions for anybody in their entire history. It's not like I want it to be this way, but it is. Sorry dude.

>>717601521
>Oh yeah? Well there's some bad white people too so we're all the same actually.

i cant stand wyll but i cant stand karlach more

>>717595796
Gale gets a magic cat camp follower, he's probably the best choice for a origin playthrough, you can change his class and excuse it as the effects of the parasite removing his magic powers so he had to resort to other tactics.

>>717601806
this unironically

>>717601331
wyll but in mass effect 2. what made it even worse if there were 2 black guys in mass effect Jacob and Liam and outside of like the first time you talk to jacob the game just flat out doesn't let you say a mean thing to jacob or liam and you always have to be super nice and bros if you talk to them. it's weird

>>717601954
you're retarded unironically?

>>717598340
that looks boring as shit, slants have zero imagination and chinese culture is bland as fuck

>>717601810
Karlach is based, her only problems comes from the fact that she's zoomer coded in a fantasy game. but that's more of an overall problem with Bg3.

>>717601989
Oh yeah I remember him, he was just written very boringly as well, but I still had fun with his character side quests.

>>717602018
That spider one has eyes instead of eyebrows and it's actually kind of interesting.

I don't necessarily dislike Wyll
He's a relatively generic "good" character who the MC can manipulate into submission, every game needs one of those. He's the Valerie of BG3 in my eyes, overall noble and well-intentioned but clearly fucked up plenty of times along the way and thus needs someone to "reaffirm his nobleness".
Compared to most of the other characters, who directly tangle with Gods and much higher powers, he's pleasantly basic

>>717596042
Was it the default in the demo? I like to think they switched human to a black woman because they were seething. And yes, it was annoying to have to switch race and hairstyle to something normal every time I made a human (I tend to restart a lot on RPG's)

>>717600251
shes a coal burning demon, nothanks

>>717599040
Astarion, the most popular companion by a mile, is a purple extremely gay vampire, people like the companions more based on how much interesting content and interactions they have.

>>717601806
>>717601713
Objectively the mass of humanity, independent of race, age, gender, and origin are barely above apes, and is only propped up by extreme outliers, mediocrity is law.

>>717602018
>ITS LE BORING IF IT DON'T GOT FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON AND SEESUHN SPAGHETTI SOUL FOOD! YO GAME NEED THOSE THANGZ WHICH IS WHY YO NEED BLACK PEEPO!

>>717602208
>Was it the default in the demo?
no. they used telemetry to figure out what, statistically, was the most popular custom character. and they were upset that so few of their character options were being used.

>>717601048
That's just Saint Maurice you dumb ameritard.

>>717602115
>sidequests
he had one side quest about how his dad abandoned him and his mom to become a serial rapist
>>717602292
I have never not killed astarian before I even got to the goblin camp

>>717596487
>He's not played much because most people use custom created characters
False, you don't understand proportional math clearly
"most people used custom characters"
And out of those who did not, this guy was still the least picked out of all of them for OBVIOUS FUCKING REASONS
You fuckers need to learn to accept reality, your social engineering has failed and it will continue to fail, this will never be embraced nor normalized.

>>717601429
to roleplay as an established character with a rich backstory ready to go.

>>717602512
GMS!!!

>>717595303 (OP)
>make le generic good guy
>is a nigger and a warlock
Meanwhile the evil drow bitch is a paladin

>>717602487
It's funny how retards act like they were annoyed about players being chuds and not that they weren't experimenting with the tools at their disposal.

>>717602115
>but I still had fun with his character side quests.
finding 20 year old thermal clips on his shipwreck utterly destroyed the lore of the series and i am still upset.

>>717602487
>They were upset
They made a single post as a joke and you people are still swearing up and down they were seething nonstop. You're a fucking clown.

>>717601713
>except one or two
Just two? You're brown.

>>717602617
but the game didn't fail
it was super successful
also Wyll is one of the best characters in my opinion
the others are all weirdos

>>717602640
zero imagination nigger

>>717595303 (OP)
Hys name ys also Wyll and so Y hate hym

>playing the personality void ESG token
like putting jacob in your squad in mass effect

>Can't pluck out Wyll's one good eye and put in one of the fake eyes
Shit game

>>717602576
I don't like Astarion either, but we are clearly in the minority based on statistics.

>>717602487
And in the end they got proven right. The people who swore up and down on it, WERE mostly boring.

>>717602042
nah shes cringe as fuck
women are not warriors, theyre not strong, theyre not tall, theyre not fast, and theyre not tough, and portraying them as such as just as much if not more of an instant immersion killer than (insert random black in otherwise stereotypical white european fantasy setting)
and if that werent enough, she is, as you noted, a complete brainrot riddled zoomer with 'muh quirky personality' trope bullshit

karlach is easily the worst character in the entirety of bg3

>>717602821
wyll fucking sucked

>>717600030
>Astarion were the male playerbase
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>717600395
They probably made him boring because he's black. If he had flaws like astarion they'd be seething.

>>717595303 (OP)
Idk man I used him about as much as everyone else

>>717595303 (OP)
I love when homo devs add tons of faggot and black shit only for the top played guy to be Chad McHero and the most romanced option to be Attractive White Girl.

>>717595303 (OP)
One can always Disguise him as a fat Halfling.
But that won't change the fact that his vainglory pursuit is unchallenged by the game.

>>717603064
yaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwnnn

>>717603172
Little nigga can't read more than a few sentences lmao

>>717596042
Forced diversity is FUN!

>>717600732
We have different standarts for how women are supposed to act, she would be seen as a victim in an abusive relationship and people would want to save her.

>>717601429
Agreed, I absolutely hate the stupid Larian thing of pushing those damn pre-made characters; They shouldn't even BE an option, you should ONLY be able to play as your own character.

Those pre-made characters should only be party members, not your own character. It's stupid, it's inconsistent, it is lame and it is lazy. for example:
>premade character is presented as being a depressed, gloomy mage with tragic backstory
>player picks him as man character
>decides to change him into a barbarian, and act all cheerful and shit

Where the hell is the consistency in that?

>>717603568
>character decides to stop being a mage and just krump gitz, couldn't be happier

sounds like character development to me

>>717603064
>every character must conform to the stereotypical image of them I have in my mind or my immersion is destroyed
This is deranged, what's the point of fiction then?

>>717603568
>Dark Urge is the only one who can't be a party member

>>717602617
yes

>>717603568
he posts sooner then we anticipated

>>717603814
obviously the point of fiction is to coddle me and reinforce my worldview
anything that might challenge my fragile self image is the forked tongue of satan whispering in my ear.

>>717603064
What?

>>717603814
at no point did i say that, but theres a point at which the suspension of disbelief is broken. every story and every setting, no matter how fantastical, has to adhere to certain fundamental realities of the world in order to have believability and thus immersion
up is up
down is down
regular steel is rigid and not flexible
vanilla humans cant breathe water
grass and trees from earth are green (unless its autumn)
women are not physical fighters on anywhere near the same level similarly trained and conditioned men are
period

violating any of the above or other simple obvious observable baseline realities shatters the immersion of anyone who is trying to play the game, making for a shit experience and in the case of female fighters or blacks in european settings, exposes the devs for the agenda pushing fags they are

>>717603064
she's not even human

>>717601425
Am I the only one who hated his performance as Ketheric? He just sounds incredibly bored and uninterested 95% of the time

>>717603764
Not really, because in order to do so the player has to: ignore the lore, rearrange the attribute points, rearrange the skills, and basically just ignore everything that was established as basis for that character, both personality and class-wise.

>>717603864
The Dark Urge is the closest to an actual player character. It is mysterious, not much is said or established about them past-wise, they have the room to behave and develop in any way the player sees fit.

>>717604549
She's not even human, you sperg.

>>717602303
>Objectively the mass of humanity, independent of race, age, gender, and origin are barely above apes, and is only propped up by extreme outliers
And who are these black outliers that propelled humanity forwards?

>>717604605
tieflings have the same physicality as humans and you know it since theyre literally humans with a bit of spooky demon blood in them that lets them shoot fire out their asses. at no point in the entire history of d&d however, has that tainted heritage been displayed as giving tieflings (either male or female) higher-than-human strength or endurance
in fact, most tieflings in lore are dirty rogues because everyone knows they cant be trusted, and they dont have higher-than-human strength or endurance to just bull their way around mobs and have to rely on stealth. though id argue that even rogues and that whole 'finesse weapon' thing is bullshit and women still dont have the necessary strength to pull it off believably
try again

>>717597764
Hes among the better looking for black characters

>>717604632
No, it's not just you. He sounded like he phoned it in. And you know the guy is capable of providing good voice work (see: Invincible).

>>717602115
>black guy's quest in Mass Effect 2 is about how his dad abandoned him

>>717604781
If you want to get that realistic then it shouldn't be possible for even human men to stand toe to toe with most monsters.

>>717605060
>Only black character
>Dad abandoned him to live on an island where he drugs and rapes white women
>Romance with femshep sounds like a BLACKED.com scene
>Cheats on Shepard in the next game and knocks up his new GF
Based BioWare.

>>717604781
>at no point in the entire history of d&d however, has that tainted heritage been displayed as giving tieflings (either male or female) higher-than-human strength or endurance
AD&D they had the chance to get improved saves and/or AC
later editions, especially in Unearthed Arcana books, could give them bonus END or STR depending on bloodline.
if you take no issue with orc musclemommies then there is no issue with tiefling musclemommies either.

not to mention that stat blocks are only averages, adventurers are allowed to roll higher than average and even develop further, that's why you have stat gains every few levels.

>>717605060
>>717605254
>Asian girl will not even look twice at Shepard
>But will openly masturbate to videos of the only black guy working out
What did they mean by this?

>>717605242
correct
and it isnt
wizards are almost always the strongest options in these games for a good reason

however, even ignoring that fact, your argument is still invalid because men being fighters is baked into the physiology, history, and mindset of men and humans in general. men fighting things is normal in a way that women fighting things never will be; so when you make a setting where you can achieve superhuman strength through magic items or whatever, a man doing it makes sense because that's something that men do, and thus suspension of disbelief is preserved

where the same is absolutely not the case with women. even if a woman can achieve superhuman strength and endurance in a fantasy setting, be it through items or magic or fucking gene editing or whatever, it still makes no sense for her to be allowed to do so, because not only are women not naturally aggressive like men are, they have none of the fighting instincts of men, none of the history of being fighters and protectors that men have, and have a far more important societal role (childbearing) that necessitates that they be kept away from fighting and protected by the fighters

this is also why female superheroes make no sense and are immersion breaking as well.

>>717605060
>>717605254
all of the companion quests in ME2 were just variations of daddy issues, change my mind.

>>717604632
>He just sounds incredibly bored and uninterested 95% of the time
That's the character as well, it's bad directing in my opinion.

Even when you push him to the redemption/suicide angle he sounds bored.

>>717602948
to each their own nigger

>>717605409
i take issue with orc musclemommies too, don't get me wrong
unless a species literally goes out of its way to state that they evolved and developed with an inverse gender role scenario, which is to say that the female of the species evolved to be bigger stronger protectors, then i take issue with it
and absolutely zero (0) playable fantasy races in these d&d type games do that, precisely because its so alien to the human experience that no one can play such a thing and maintain suspension of disbelief

>>717600732
Or a femboy, literally anything but a fugly black

>>717605561
>wizards are almost always the strongest options in these games for a good reason


it's a terrible reason, actually.
in the original wargame, Castles and Crusaders, Wizards were high cost hero units while Fighting Men were grunts that you walled in front of the casters.
this carried over into D&D somewhat but Fighters made up for it by having land and resources built into the class, they became lords.
not to mention the casters levelled slower or had lower level caps.

3E dumped all of that and gave us Ivory Tower game design (making a huge mess of feats with dozens of hidden cheat combos and dozens more trap options that sound good in practice), which fucked over fighters and buffed casters.

>>717605646
Miranda, sure, but I don't really remember the rest.

>>717605692
>i take issue with orc musclemommies too, don't get me wrong
oh so you're just a gay sperg. should have opened with that.

>and absolutely zero (0) playable fantasy races in these d&d type games do that
bro the drow are literally a divinely enforced matriarchy why are you so willingly retarded

>>717605860
you have to admit that wizards and casters in general tend to have more varied capabilities than fighters though
i mean youre using magic to change reality. thats way more powerful, narratively speaking, than swinging even a really big sword

>>717602974
Someone should ask this guy how he'd feel if he didn't have breakfast this morning

>>717605254
I think the dad's storyline was equally hilarity-inducing and fucking brazen.
>Be nigger in ship
>Ship is about to crashland into a planet
>All the higher-ups get together along with the science team to figure out what to do and inspect the planet that they are about to land into while not trying to panic the crew. Nigger is in that meeting.
>Science team finds out that the fruit is toxic with harmful and need to find ways to get food.
>Ship disastrously crashlands with many of the higher ups dying in the process giving the next of line to the lowly nigger.
>Nigger doesn't know what to do, on top of being clueless on how to lead and maintain a crew, he is a nigger after all.
>Engage in nigger instinct and mannerisms.
>Decides to make everyone stupid, feeds the crew the brainrotting fruit making them all stupid, make the males fight with one another, and rapes all the women and adds them into his harem.
>You as Shephard can abandon him on the planet for the shit he has done.
BioWare was based once.

>>717606038
Concept speaking, clerics/divine characters have far more capabilities as they are backed up by the actual deities that CAN alter the mortal realm.

Output/Mechanically speaking, Warriors -always- outdo spellcasters by virtue of not requiring anything other than appropriate equipment.

>>717596762
I played as lae’zel it was pretty kino

>>717605949
my guy, think about what you say for a moment before you say it. even in drow society, men are *still* the fighters and women by and large arent, because drow are just elves and elves are physiologically similar to humans insofar that men are taller, stronger, tougher, and faster, and arent the ones who carry young for 9 months of vulnerability

the drow are villains and an aberration from the natural order of elves, partly *because* lolth is an evil bitch who enforces a matriarchy on what is otherwise a biologically patriarchal race (yes i know the term isnt exactly right but you get what i mean when i say that)

>>717605909
Tali's dad is a heretic and she either had to validate him or abandon him
you are literally legion's dad
grunt has no dad and you have to validate him as a real krogan
jack's dad is an interstellar terrorist organization
samara is a deadbeat dad
thane is a deadbeat dad
garrus is a stretch i'll admit but you have to help him decide what to do with another ganger he took under his wing

>>717595303 (OP)
His design is fucking trash. He’s the only companion that has fucking crusty ass character creator hair not even a unique asset. Garbage.

>>717606283
just keep backpedalling brow your worldview will make sense one day, you just have to twist it into the right knot

>>717606196
clerics are some of the strongest characters in d&d and pathfinder today you know

but no warriors do not outdo spellcasters in d&d settings. not after like, level 5. the instant that spellcasters get access to level 2 spells, they start to pull ahead, and the gap between them only grows wider with levels. a 12th level wizard is far, FAR more powerful than a 12th level fighter is, and needs zero equipment to do it (except a spellbook if theyre literally a wizard, sorcerers dont even need that)

>>717606325
That they removed his unique outfit and gave him a generic one was equally amusing.
It's like they wanted to shoot him in the foot as much as possible.

>>717606368
thats not backpedaling thats pointing out how youre wrong
im talking about how women arent big strong tough or fast and thus them being fighters makes no narrative sense and is immersion breaking (an irrefutable stance to take), and you tried to move the goalposts by bringing up societal hierarchy which is a completely different topic
and i didnt let you do it
you lost, deal with it

>>717595303 (OP)
>start off being a nepobaby son of the lord rich kid type with no martial skill whatsoever
>made a deal with devil so he could gain power to larp as adventurer
>call himself blade of the frontier so people wont know hes a fucking warlock
>basically lie his way almost at every opportunity, fake until he make it, basically one of those red prince type of character
>they changed that cause having a nigger with character faults is too problematic
>turn him into goodie two shoes lawful good nigger we see now
desu this is kinda a thing now with all woke modern fantasy setting
they all want a nigger to diversify the case
but cant have a nigger be a thief,rogue or even barbarian cause dat racist
they are all always the lawful good paladin

>>717604549
am I being bated? Karlach has a infernal engine for a heart to make her stronger
>women are not physical fighters on anywhere near the same level similarly trained and conditioned men are
period
this disqualifies every single fantasy game I can think of, even the old school "based ones"
like in morrowind most female characters have a lower starting strength but you can still be a perfectly viable meele fighter
genuine question, what fantasy games do you play that don't break your rules?

>>717606607
galbrush but niggers

>>717606586
>women arent big strong tough or fast and thus them being fighters makes no narrative sense
you keep asserting that, but you have nothing to back it up except your blatant homosexuality.
you just hate women bro stop trying to make it sound reasonable or sane.

>>717595303 (OP)
I cucked him hard with the devil woman. I made him watch as I made passionate love to her and had him deal with eternal damnation.

>>717600518
It's called being civilized, you monkey.

>>717606607
Surprisingly not as common, even for black obsessed companies like Owlcat.
Take their latest pile of garbage, Rogue Trader, for example. Two black people, both of them garbage.
The one you don't pay for the most.
>Idira
>Dangerous unsanctioned psyker
>Literally a schizo
>Drunkard
>Openly heretical "but not really"
>Kills people by the hundreds whenever she has a warp melty but Theodora said it's fine so she shrugs it off
>Given the chance to choose herself, she WILL kill Argenta as soon as possible for badmouthing Theodora

And she's based for all of it, the fucking annoying trainwreck that she is.

>>717595303 (OP)
I liked wyll, he was whiny but still cool bro tier. The worst characters are all the ones that could be easily missed and thank god they could. Inb4 the dark elf bitch you stupid coomers.

>>717603568
>BG2 wojakspammer is a retard
The only issue Larian's premade characters have is that they have the real unique content they deserve to have.
It's not a particularly unique concept either, HoMM did it right, Lands of Lore did it right, the SaGa games and its many clones also do it right, even fucking Bioware understood that Origin characters NEED to have something that justifies their existence, Larian does it wrong because they're incompetent and too afraid of making CHARNAME retards like you feel neglected and not "special" enough by giving those unique characters their actual unique content that would make them worth playing over the generic character who can do anything and get his or her dick sucked, literally in BG3's case.
Though by looking at Durge I guess they're finally starting to figure it out, little by little, they're just 30 years behind everyone else as usual.

>>717606716
karlach's infernal engine doesnt give her extra strength but even if it did, that doesnt erase my previous point of women not being fighters, see here: >>717605561

now to answer your question, its honestly not hard to find one. the vast majority of fantasy games intuitively understand that women are not fighters and they break immersion by trying to portray them as such; it's only been relatively recently, with the infiltration of game development (both tabletop and video games) by dishonest political actors trying to use the medium to push their propaganda that youve started to see shit like this

yeah everyone knows about that AD&D poster that has the woman in chain mail, but if you actually played the game, you'd know that at no point in there are females portrayed as physical fighters. it was literally pointless eye candy to draw in thirsty nerds, and while i dont like that either, it didnt contaminate the game itself

>He's been self bumping his racial projection thread for a day
No one cares about this tencent astroturf

>>717606820
go outside and look at women. any women. anywhere.
if youre a man, 99% of the time they will be shorter than you, slower than you, and weaker than you, even if you arent a fit guy (and being here you probably arent)

its simply biology man. it cannot be refuted or argued otherwise, you are literally just doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling 'i cant hear you' rather than accept reality

>>717607090
all this text and you're still ignoring that tieflings can in fact mechanically get higher average strength and endurance, counter to your previous assertion >>717604781

that undermines your worldview though so it's safer for you to ignore it.

>>717595303 (OP)
>no one wants to be self inserted as a black man
People didn't care about playing as black guy in San Andreas, the real reason they didn't want to play as Wyll was the fact he was to safe and to boring because they didn't want to afraid to make him unique due to "racism". He comes off as boring even with his little intro scene in the character creation menu.

>>717596042
Why would you want to be a dinky normalfag human when they don't even get a gigachad option on par with the elves? Tall male high elf is peak design, like crossing Legolas with Schwarzenegger.

>>717607238
no, they cant, not without homebrewing which is literally just 'i make up my own rules and possbilities'; but again, you literally linked my post where i explained how, even if a female in a fantasy setting *can* get superhuman strength or endurance, it still makes no sense for her to be a physical fighter and portraying her as such breaks immersion

you're just circling the drain ignoring points you dont like, which is what youre trying to accuse me of. projection at its finest

>>717607202
>i'll just conveniently ignore any and all exceptions i see, they undermine my worldview
>i'll just conveniently ignore any and all historal examples of women in fighting roles, they undermine my worldview
>fantasy MUST coddle me and reinforce my worldview, anything that challenges my preconceived notions is a satan that must be defeated

>>717606820
>you have no proof that men are stronger than women!
This is your brain on leftism

>>717607387
'Cause high elves suck as a general rule.
Now a half-elf, though, best of both worlds.

>>717595303 (OP)
d-bo with cornrows

>>717607448
>D&D never gives tieflings bonus to STR or END!
>oh wait it does? shit uhh ummm uhh fuck ignore that I said that

>>717607448
Please be american outside of public mediums.

>>717595469
i cant access it, what was it?

>>717606969
Minthara was a noble background character too, and she absolutely mogs Wyll in both his faggy heartthrob backstory and as a companion, are you fucking insane? Her interactions with the crew are better that builds as everyone gets accustomed to her, while everyone just keeps mouthing off/simping at his noble status, and hearing Minthara's stories about Menzoberranzan, how her mother constantly tries to have her assassinate, and her fall in with the Absolute is vastly superior and engaging over another faggy slop story about how Wyll saved a kid once traumatizing him and now he calls himself Blades of Frontiers. Jesus fucking Christ, what a boring ass fucking character.

>>717595796
Only Dark Urge is really worth playing.

>>717595303 (OP)
He is so dreadfully boring i have absolutely no idea what Larian have been thinking with him. Fucking Valygar from 2 was more memorable than this dude.
I kinda wanted to have him and Karlach in the same party on a replay but i ditched his boring ass and went with 3 girls instead.

>>717595303 (OP)
>we don’t want our black character to offend anyone with stereotypes
>let’s just make the most bland character in history

>>717601429
More content.

>>717607798
Actually less. If you wanted more content, you'd go Dark Urge.

>>717607426
exceptions are exceptions specifically because they arent the norm, dumbass
yes, im sure theres some 7 foot tall 200 pound muscleclad testosterone popping freak of a woman somewhere around who can break the average dude in half
she is not representative of women as a demographic group. only the average woman can do that; and the average woman is 5'4" - 5'6" in height, which is shorter than men, has 40%-60% less upper body strength and musculature than the average man, 60% less lung capacity than the average man, and 20%-30% slower in both twitch reflexes and long term speed (like running) than a man. all of this is easily verifiable by any sports database or statistics you care to find, anywhere in the world.

also
>women fighting in historical roles
literally did not happen unless it was a method of absolute last resort, like the actual army (made up of men) being defeated and the homes being invaded, in which case, occasionally youd see a woman picking up an old weapon or tool and trying to fight because the alternative was dying or being raped or being raped and then dying. and in almost every instance, she still ended up either dead or raped or both
i know what youre going to say
>joan of arc
she didnt fight in the front lines, she carried a banner on a horse, well away from the actual fighting, please read up on your history instead of making assumptions and spouting nonsense. she in fact had her ass kicked by a page when she tried to 'train' early on too, so badly that they tried to hush it up so it wouldnt kill morale

>>717607884
Dark Urge can do only two stories, and one of them is extremely gay. If you don't like them (or the novelty wore off), Dark Urge has nothing to offer to you.

>>717607897
>exceptions are exceptions specifically because they arent the norm, dumbass
and yet the very idea of an exception makes you piss your pants and shit your diaper in frustration. here's a shocker: adventurers aren't the norm either.

>>717607897
>literally did not happen
demonstrably untrue.
>joan of arc
i did not mention joan of arc but nice try i guess.

you're still trying to pretend that you never made an argument based on D&D's own mechanics because you were in the wrong about that.

>>717607426
not understanding averages is the most obvious sign of a midwit

>>717608076
DU can do all stories the original character can do, plus three variations of its own storyline.
It will always have more cutscenes, more dialogues and more event triggers besides that.
It simply has more content.

>>717608150
>adventurers are average, normal people

>>717608150
Not understanding characters in fantasy and fiction are not supposed to be the average specimen far more so.

>Male companions
>Wizard
>Warlock
>Druid
>All of them casters
>Astarion doesn't count, he is a fruitcake and was made rogue because he likes to pierce faggots in their backsides and get pierced by his master.

>Female companions
>Barbarian
>Fighter
>Cleric
>Paladin
>All of them martial classes

MY GENDER ROLE EXPECTATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBVERTED!! QUIRK CHUNGUS

Wasn't this guy actually a fraud in the beta and a bunch of weenies disliked how all the companions were awful people, and so they made him into a Mary Sue whose only real fault is misunderstanding Karlach

This game is only playable when you go full custom party and are schizocreative enough to larp as 4 different characters at the same time, conflicts of interest and all.

>>717608384
Both Warlock and Cleric can interchangeably be fighters or casters.

The druid not only is presented as a bear-shape fighter, but he is also the size of a truck and the reason the muscular body type exists.

>u-u-uhhh doesn't count because-
Just because you are in the closet and want to fuck Astarion doesn't mean he isn't a rogue.

Anyway yes, bait post, you were merely pretending to be retarded, etc.

I'm sorry but you can't make blacks interesting, it's not possible in today's climate.
ME2's jacob suffered the same fate, of being a boring, inoffensive faggot. Can't make blacks lean one way or the other under any circumstances.

>>717608384
>Cleric
>Martial class
>Druid, Rogue, Warlock
>Caster
Nani

>>717608483
>Wasn't this guy actually a fraud in the beta
Yes and no. In the beta he was still this super huge hero, both in character (he abandoned you immediately if you sided with the goblins) and in skill (before the plot depowered him just like it depowered everyone else).
However, his motivation for becoming the hero was much more selfish (revenge), and his relationship with Mizora was not an antagonistic one. He also was more of a glory hound.

Both versions of the character were unpopular with the normies. I liked neither of them as well.

>>717608728
>inoffensive
most femshep players were creeped out by him actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI8JoiGtBWk

>>717595303 (OP)
He has a standard hero background. I wonder if he was white how much more popular he would be?
>>717608961
THE PRIZEEEEEE

>>717608728
>ME2's jacob suffered the same fate, of being a boring, inoffensive faggot.
Jacob is the only romance in the entire series that cheats on you (and then dumps you when he gets another woman pregnant), and his daddy abandoned him as a child so that he can rape women. Jacob is extremely offensive.

>>717607573
dumb iphone nigger

>>717609027
Actually, now that I really think about it, I think Jacob is the only romance that cheats on you in the entire history of Bioware, not just Mass Effect.

>>717609027
>his daddy abandoned him as a child so that he can rape women
That's not really fair since the entire cast of me2 is some shades of daddy issues.

>>717609115
Yes, but I think Jacob's are worse than most, and the only ones with racial connotations

>>717609105
Doesn't Fart Dalis NTR you in BG2?

>>717608728
I like Idira like this other anon pointed out,
>>717606967

>>717609350
Aren't owclat ruskies?

>>717607090
>the vast majority of fantasy games intuitively understand that women are not fighters
well then name some games and prove me wrong! I'm still trying to think of a fantasy RPG that bars you from making a female melee fighter and I got nothing
> but if you actually played the game, you'd know that at no point in there are females portrayed as physical fighters
I don't run D&D much anymore but when I did I was really into OSR and the older editions. Pic is the list of pre-made characters from Dwellers of the Forbidden City, published in 1981. You have a female monk, cleric, ranger, and fighter magic user multiclass, all of which are capable meele fighters. I'll grant the depiction of them was a lot different, very much chain mail bikini babes rather than "independent women" but to say
>at no point in there are females portrayed as physical fighters
is completely untrue

>>717595378
CJ Carl Johnson is one of the most iconic videogame protagonists of all time despite only having one game to his name.

>>717609428
based in cyprus and armenia, which some anons claim are russkie tax havens.

>>717606967
Idira is based and flawed

>>717609428
If you are asking that to rule them out of being "woke" or some other buzzword, be at peace because they are -extremely- so.
They just happen to know they can also make them interesting sometimes.

>>717607330
When San Andreas came out we were merely fatigued. We didn't hit exhaustion yet. For 90% of people it was like "well, I'm still going to play the new GTA game, whatever. My hatred of blacks isn't THAT strong........... yet"

>>717609562
>anon thinks he can relate to what normal people though
lol bitch, keep your schizo nonsense out of the accountability of real humans

>>717608384
Why would you care? Just make the biggest dick male barbarian possible and roll with 3 girls without any gay magic users.

>>717609696
do you ever even talk to a human being, bug man?

>>717609103
Catbox blocks a bunch of VPNs retard

>>717609541
>>717609562
Why do you niggers faggots act so duplicitous and subversive about San Andreas like it was all fine and dandy and we all just wanted to play as a Black dude once?

The reason why people didn't seethe about CJ or was okay about playing him is because THE GAME SAN ANDREAS WAS ABOUT 90s GANG BANGING CULTURE OF THE CRIPS AND BLOODS, NIGGER MANNERISMS OF DRIVE-BYS AND GRAFFITI. I would robbed if I was told to play as a white guy in that scenario. The game was made exact to it's intention.

>>717609562
San andreas was the lowest brow slop for the blackest nigger retards which is why nobody cared about it

>>717609941
One of my friends at school was pissed off that we have to play as a black. You cannot pretend like that voice did not exist back then. I got into it because yeah, I get it, it's a game about 90s south LA ganstas, and you play as CJ, I was totally fine with it at the time, but I remember some people being like "pfffft.... I don't want to play as black!"

Why is OP lying?

>>717606038
In practice though, the DPR/survivability of fighters in 5e way outpaces casters in actual tabletop play, and it's rare for wizards to take more interesting spells

>>717606607
>just a simple carpenter from the far south
>had a family and kids, worshiped a dwarven god
>family gets obliterated by the trolls
>goes nearly mad from grief, swears vengeance
>travels north tracking the troll who did this, picks up some ranger skills in the process
>by the time you find him he's a wreck of a human being, lies in a ditch wounded
>absolutely LOATHES non human races, faithful to a fault
I haven't seen a better black party member in any CRPG to date

>>717610197
BG3 bros? Let's start playing as Lae'zel to put Wyll in last place where he belongs. We can change these numbers if we tried.

>>717610237
>if you have him, you get cucked out of the secret party member
I mean, immersive and it barely matters. But still. Why, Ekun, I trusted you.. For some reason. That was probably on me.

>>717609941
Anon there are anons saying GTA is woke now for having blacks in GTA 6

>>717596042

You can't actually make a proper white person in this game. Even if you select white skin you still have to have a big flat nigger nose.

>>717606539
You're not kidding, his concept art was way cooler

>>717610448
Minus the black panther hair

>>717610448
Why did they change this he looks so much better here?

>>717610448
make him a white guy and this would have been 10/10 kino

>>717610448
I don't understand. The concept of a "pretender hero" was so unusual, why did they ditch it entirely?

>>717595303 (OP)
No, he's just a caricature of what he initially was. A black fraud would've been kino. Unfortunately we got the ff15 treatment and our fraud turned into a prince.

>>717610540
You will never be cool, even by association.

>>717595303 (OP)
No he's just fucking lame
>le good warlock
fuck off

>>717610648
You sound like a feminine brown boy

>>717595303 (OP)
I am forced to protect this guy? Can you kill him?

>>717610707
You can kill everyone in the game

>>717610696
Your wishful thinking is none of my concern.

>>717610742
Alright I'm going to buy the game.

>>717610750
Shhhh brown boy, your buck breaking shall commence shortly

>>717610594
Early Access players didn't like Wyll. Current Wyll is the result of their feedback.

>>717610594
cause its racist

>>717610803
I don't think you should buy it based off that anon
>>717610845
They thought Wyll was too mean spirited if I remember correctly

The game makes you commit to Shart, Astarion and Gale since they're kinda front and center and seem more relevant.

The frog person just looks hideous so I had her die right away.
Black dude showed up in the camp uninvited and acted like he belongs there so I told him to take a hike, he got all sad and left.
Karlach ditched the group after I killed everyone in the grove.

It is what it is.

>>717610894
They made Shart way less of a cunt too. Ironic since I'm a Lae'zel and Minthara enjoyer.

>>717610937
I still got the black in my camp. What's the best way to kill him?

>>717610894
>Wyll was too mean spirited
God I hate the EA players. They said the same about the others.

>>717610937
>Gale
lolno, he is completely eclipsed by laezel
Gale is a solid self insert choice if you don't want to play as a durge but he's hideous as a party member

>>717600197
>it's funny. I played through this game with a black friend and even he didn't use this faggot. He used Gale for most the time.
because most black people that play vidya dont play certain characters just because theyre black
that is entirely a white male thing

>>717606038
>cucks you

>>717610937
Gale and Astarion are not relevant at all, actually.
The only relevant characters are Shart, Frog and Wyll.
The rest are completely irrelevant.

The primary reason why Wyll is unpopular is because he's fucking ugly. Literally the most retarded design in the entire game, and it has nothing to do with him being black.

The stone eye screams shitty anime protag and the amount of scars on his face are excessive. His stupid fucking ram horns when he gets cursed are even worse, it's just a garbage looking character all around.

>>717611006
be evil

>>717611149
Discount tiefling.

>>717611006
Boooal

>>717595823
His father is a character in the prequel 5E module WoTC released before the game
came out. It's called Descent to Avernus. He was originally supposed to be a failson who shacked up with Mizora in hell and was fucking her.

>>717611149
He looks cool and he's handsome. That's not why he is unpopular. Stop dancing around the issue.

Speaking of Boring Black Man, as a warlockfag, I got disappointed when I saw that they didn't include thematic summoning spells like Summon Demon or Infernal Calling.
The way I see it, 1/3 of what a warlock is is POWAAH damage spells, 1/3 is debilitating curses and the last third is summoning outsiders to do your bidding (forming pacts for power is essense of the class).

Then again, they also missed out dozens of other spells from all caster classes.

>>717611006
Destroy the Tiefling camp or give him to Booal, you can also Kill Mizora when you find her in act 2 and it will cause Wyll to have a fate worse than death that'll also make him leave the party pic related

>>717595303 (OP)
Inferior genetic hair

>>717611149
he's ugly but believe it or not but he's attractive for black standards

>>717610594
>why did they ditch it entirely?
Because Wyll's character was incoherent as fuck.

When you sided with the goblins against the Grove, Wyll got upset with you and left your party, suggesting a strong moral compass.
However, his actual motivation (or second motivation, it was hard to tell) for fighting the goblins was getting revenge on a very particular goblin called Spike.
Except it turns out that he lied to you, and his revenge was only a secondary motivation. His ACTUAL motivation was to get information about his demon waifu from Spike, and he doesn't care about revenge at all. In fact, he was perfectly willing to torture an innocent man so that Spike would reveal Mizora's location to him.
Yes, Mizora was his waifu. At no point before did he tell you he has a spawn of hell sucking his dick.
But despite being willing to torture a man to save a spawn of hell, he still turned on you if you attacked the Grove.

>>717611149
He looked better before the shit transformation. Whoever thought of that is ass.

>>717611278
>He looks cool
most of the designs in this game look like shit

>>717611086
can't gale explode himself to kill the netherbrain?

>>717611294
Can't expect much from a game that can't get Fly properly and Dispel Magic doesn't even exist.

>>717606038
this is why 4e is based for giving fighters their own abilities

what do you guys think about early access nightsong?

better or worse than release nightsong?

>>717606196
>Output/Mechanically speaking, Warriors -always- outdo spellcasters by virtue of not requiring anything other than appropriate equipment.
Not true, not in the video games at least and especially not in Baldur's Gate games.
In BG1/2 a single mage is a far bigger danger on any battlefield compared to a dozen of fighters. Not even a dwarven berserker is as scary as some nerd jerking himself in a corner because he can literally end your entire party with a cast. In BG3 the distance between casters and non casters is smaller because they made Battle Master an extremely well designed class... But then we have insane full progression gishes like Swords Bard and Bladesinging who literally outplay martials on their own field on top of having an entire casting system.

>>717611449
Yes, and you get an instant bad ending for it or otherwise you do it when it's not necessary to be done at all so he may as well not be there to begin with.
It's just irrelevant.

>>717595303 (OP)
I didn't play him or have him in my party because:
a) I want to play my own donutsteel OC
b) he's a fucking warlock, which is like tranny amalgation between a warrior and wizard.
c) he's constantly whining and trying to suck my dick (on the same level as Gale or Halsin)

>>717611527
Do we know anything about her other than her design and the fact that she was related to Shar in some way?

>>717611439
Not really. I think most of the game looks cool. It's not the reason why no one seems to like or care about Wyll.

>>717608384
its because you're supposed to the hero
and we don't need any lancers fighting for the role of hero

>>717611575
Nah if you do it in Act 3 you get the regular ending just with Gale dead and I believe he get's to be with his God again

>>717611527
A liquid diarrhea would be better than release nightsong. Aylin is one of the most cringe inducing parts of BG3.
I still think the initial plan was to make Shadowheart Ketheric's daughter giving her a far more personal link to anything happening in chapter 2.

>>717611575
Gale exploding himself is the GOOD ending, because neither you, nor Orpheus need to transform into mind flayers, while Gale gets to martyr himself in the name of Allah.

>>717611818
>The initial plan was to make Shadowheart even more of the main character of the game
Shiggy diggy

>>717611726
This is actually correct. There is no male warrior character because that slot was intended for you, it's never officially said, obviously, but it's also obvious Larian knows what +50% of the audience is going to want to play as.

>>717611926
Even if she was Ketheric's daughter, nothing would overshadow Durge

they shouldn't have locked god worship to being a cleric
there's so many deity options that you basically miss out on seeing those dialogues unless if you are actually playing a cleric yourself and it'd just be silly to play as a cleric for multiple runs

>>717608175
>I don't want my backstory tied in with Orin, Gortash, and Bhaal
can't do that
>I don't want to feel the Bhaal-induced compulsion to murder
can't do that
>I don't want to explicitly be a piece of Bhaal's flesh
can't do that

It's not that he's black, it's that he's boring and not cool. As >>717598243 said. One of the big problems with them making black characters is they're just so tame, milquetoast and fucking boring lest they cause offense.

Black Gale would be as shitty as white gale.
Black Astarion would be zesty buckbreaking as shit but be entertianing because fags are great sidekick characters.
Turn Wrex into a black guy and people would have loved him.

>>717603568
The pre-mades should have been editable appearance wise like in DO2. If you could actually edit them then I am sure people would be more willing to play them

>>717606607
So I never saw Black Panther but I remember before BP's actor died that it seemed like all the fucking praise and worship was for Killmonger. Like BP wasn't disrespected but it was clear the villain was getting the darth vader treatment. Which just reminds me of the 4chan plays san andreas meme where the guy is bitching about having to play as a nigga and then 2 hours later he's utterly immersed in it. That is to say lean into stereotypes because they are cool for a reason

>>717611149
Horns are generally ass if hair doesn't cover up the seams. Karlach has her hair cover half of them, so it's not as bad.

>>717611639
she was a cleric of shar, but you somehow find out that she was captured by kethric and she was forced to become a sort of herald of shar, you can help her free herself from that fate by killing kethric, or kill her or keep her imprisoned, similar to the main game
hence the name nightsong, that doesn't make much sense at release

she was still in a lesbo relashionship with isobel

>>717612002
Most people didn't play Durge, so having Shart be related to one of the big bads would be overshadowing in 95% of playthroughs

>>717595469
unfathomable based

>>717611952
yep>>717610197
Paladin and Fighter are part of the top 3 played classes for a reason

>>717611818
>Aylin is one of the most cringe inducing parts of BG3
I like the hyperbolic dyke. She's a pretty big cheerleader for Tav if you're doing vengeance shit.

>>717611952
Paladin/Swords Bard are the obvious protagonist choices.

>>717612097
Then play Tav

>>717612220
Isobel is such a weird character in the release version.
>Hello, I am the daughter of the bad guy! Also, my girlfriend is the most annoying character in the game!
>What about you personally? Do you have any plot relevance? Any interactions with the villain? Any memorable scenes?
>Not really, no.

>>717596487

Racism isn't a thing, tard. Stop using political buzzwords.

>>717608384
obviously they made all the guys castersissies with the one homosex rogue so you as the MC can be THE MAN of the party as a sword and board chad fucking all the women in the camp.

>>717611818
yeah aylin is kinda cringe

>I still think the initial plan was to make Shadowheart Ketheric's daughter giving her a far more personal link to anything happening in chapter 2.
sounds interesting, i don't think i've heard anything about that tho

>>717607486
Half elf isn't as tall though. I want to tower over even Karlach

>>717607387
>tall elf
>white hair
>giant barbarian
Yep
It's gaming time

>>717607052
They can and should have unique content, palsy, but it is THEIR story, not YOUR character's story.

I wouldn't want to play KotOR with Carth or Ordo, or play Planescape:Torment as Dakkon or Morte; they are just characters in the story, that could and SHOULD have their own development and content, but they story is not centered on them.

>>717607683
>i ditched his boring ass and went with 3 girls instead.
based Harem enjoyer

>nword censoring
WE DID IT !!!!!!!!!!!! REDDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717612663
aren't humans, elves and half elves the same height in this game?

Why was every single character so unlikable though? Canon playthrough is killing them all off at the first available opportunity.

>>717613349
bc head writer is bald gayfatfucknudist
it's even worse than bethesda's chatgpt tier writing

>>717613349
Shadowheart is likeable
Laezel is likeable despite her tsun
Karlach is likeable
Couldn't give a shit about the rest

>>717613497
>Karlach is likeable
simp.

>The woman can't be fighters guy so BTFO he left the thread

>>717595303 (OP)
nigger

>>717613497
>>717613349
some characters are likable but there are no bro characters

Is there any mod for BG3 that allows all thrown weapons to properly get their on hit effect on a throw? This irks me about a giant barbarian.

>>717613543
I never even romanced her. She's just a well meaning genki tomboy.

>>717611272
>His father is a character in the prequel 5E module WoTC released before the game
And all he did in that was be a damsel in distress plot device too. The players could kill him and it'd have zero impact on the rest of the campaign.

>>717613497
Your opinions are incorrect.

>>717601887
I played him as an eldritch knight fighter and it was fine. Adding booming blade buffed that subclass a lot.

>>717613543
>he doesn't like the lovable retard
Skill issue

>>717613497
>he likes the agoraphobic tranny's self insert mary sue

fag

>>717595303 (OP)
he is literally a parody of we waz kangz though

>>717595303 (OP)
Because people(women and fags) that like niggers usually get them irl and don't play vidya

>>717613497
>only like the female characters
waifufags...

>>717602512
Get me the source for that statement bud light. Go on.

>>717604765

>>717603064
You are correct but the trannies that have discovered this thread will not allow it

>>717596763
>500ish likes by kikes
I wish i coukd see the dislikes.

>>717613462
>The Bear... The Bu-, I mean Boy...

>>717595303 (OP)
He looks lkke someone from call of duty or fifa placed into a medieval fantasy game

>>717615884
4k. But you can only dislike if you deliberately get the addon for it so it's kind of a self-selecting demographic

>>717598959
The hireling system being what it is was a fucking ridiculous decision
When I want a hirelings I want them to actually be a person.

>>717607090
>Relatively recently
The concept of warrior women is fucking ancient
Scathach, Aife, Penthesilea, Hipppolyta. People have been writing about hot warrior girls for longer than most modern countries in the world have existed

>>717617150
keeping origins in a game when nobody likes larian origins is what killed the game

>>717617494
that was porn. may as well say that summer glau is proof that women are warriors.

>>717615689
Being African and wanting to find something to look up to only to be met with Tiger Woods and these kinda quadroons has got to suck.

>>717617649
Except all of them were written as being some of the greatest fighters of their time save for the main protagonists of their respective mythological stories that mention them

>>717616003
isn't Kevin Vanord also main writer of dos2?
dear god

>>717595303 (OP)
My wyll is a redhead girl with AI voice
And I patched every single lore-unfriendly trash away

>>717616003
>gay diapers wearing shitting cum faggots wrote this game
that explains it

>>717618231
lol congrats. Instead of being "one of them", you are a deluded cuck playing pretend.

>>717610197
Gale is only played so much because its what speedrunners with thousands of runs play since he can blow himself up and skip the final fight you braindead retard

>>717611408
Because while being his devil GF, she was also still his fucking patron, bro. Like, you can't just let that shit go or you get turned into a literal steaming pile of shit forced to slide around in one of the hells while everyone laughs at you.

The extreme measures he was willing to take on Mizora's behalf is all purely logical and practical while selfish. That doesn't preclude him not wanting to wipe out a bunch of refugees because he is still ostensibly trying to be a hero.

>>717618525
being you must be tiring.

>>717618545
mods have been fixing shit in games for decades
kill yourself, braindead retard

>>717618775
>*sprays jizz out his asshole into a diaper and eats it while going "daa daa"*

>>717618231
Skooma is cool though

>>717618842
you are the one heading straight for the noose, denial-kun. no need.

>>717618028
>>717618525
Yes, he was part of the 5-man writing team. They had a Lead Writer and a Writing Director above them, which makes it 7 in total. Before that he was a journo at Gamespot.

>>717619497
I was aware he was a gay furry, I wasn't aware of the implication that he is probably a crinklefag that pretends to be a baby dog while getting cummed in

>>717602973
>instantly kill him
You don't know the character at all. I did the same the first playthough, now he's a mainstay in my party. Probably the best companion. Also kys troon.

>>717595303 (OP)
I mean he's just boring, demon mommy aside there's nothing going on with him
him being a liar and a thief would've made him more interesting and probably more popular

>>717618592
I never said anything about Gale anon

>>717595796
I've been meaning to do an Astarion orogin run to see how it is becoming a ascended vampire, but i get bored quickly into Act 1

>>717620098
>muh troubled past
nah

>>717613349
I liked them all except Wyll and Halsin.

Very well made game.

>>717617846
Michael Jordan would be a better example of world wide cultural icons when it comes to sports. That's why there are dictators fangirling over the Chicago bulls.

>>717610845
In EA all the companions were antagonistic assholes, the complaints weren't that any particular character was that way, but that is was all of them.
Larian then implied that more companions were coming, and that they were getting the more negative companions in first for feedback.
Instead they canceled the one other companion they had planned and added Halsin instead.

>>717621372
rodman was bigger, even met kim

Wyll isn't bad, he is just basic and bland and what makes this shine even more is that the performance by his voice actor and motion capture is mediocre compared to the rest.

>>717595469
Yeah he seems mentally stable. I can see why you dipshits like him so much.

>>717621952
this is what all white people are like when you don't have to put them in a bubble boy protective casing to exist in a country with minorities

>>717621952
I don't even know who that is

>>717612478
Not weird at all. Clearly the writers SI where she lives her fantasy of having her dyke lover murder her father. Thank Christ for the Ser Aylin mod.

>>717595303 (OP)
he's just boring unfortunately. I hate needing to bring him to the Kethric fight in act 2 because you can't swap party members once you're in the wiggly tower and he needs to be present to get the rapier

>>717596042
the only person seething about anything is the bozo who still brings up an early access blogpost from a game that released two years ago

>>717600518
Beards are overcompensators for lesser men

>>717595303 (OP)
>lefties keep forcing black characters into games
>also claim they're not popular because they're just badly written characters coincidentally

>>717618852

>>717603064
GMS!

>>717605254
>>717605509
>>717606152
what's even funnier is his writer wrote grunt, so his writer could write an interesting character and chose not to

>>717618852
b.

>>717622216
>all white people have extreme ADHD
trvthnvke

He's dull like Franklin from GTAV. Play it safe nigroids suck, FFVII's Barret and GTA SA's CJ are proper nogs.

>>717595469
Where do I sub to this gentleman

>>717611682
Sazza sexo

>>717596042
its been 4 years and people are still fucking seething about a post that literally just amounted to "we put all this effort into the character creator, and everyone just played a boring default character anyway" and interpretated that as "THIS IS LITERALLY WHITE GENOCIDE AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

>>717610845
a. the EA players were retarded
b. wyll had a bigger change than the others and was probably changed due to hasbro

>>717595469
What?

>>717600732
What archetype would Minthara be

>>717595303 (OP)
I like him until he gets stuck with the horns. They just look so fucking goofy on him.

>>717627586
Haha I'm just NOT going to play and ugly nigger woman.
Ugh I know I know, but I'm just not going to do it haha.

>>717595469

>>717618545
>you are a deluded cuck playing pretend
this is a dnd game

>>717595469
This guy has definitely not fapped to traps even once

are you guys okay?

I'm black and this place has irrevocably warped me. Not because of all of the racism but because it has also made me racist against black people in general and I can't stop nooticing even if I try.

>>717596042
My first playthrough was a default white guy paladin. Because it just felt like that is what the main character would look like. I'm not even white.

>>717616003
>>717619497
glad I deleted it after act 1 ends

>>717630220
Just know that we don't give a shit if you're one of the good ones. You know what you need to do

>>717630220
It's not even that it's that people are just super weird now.
>play with some friends
>I make a white elf
>Yo bro why'd you make your character white
>you have so many customization options
>You could've went Tiefling, Orc, or made your elf black!!
>blah blah blah
It really is all so tiresome

>>717630220
same.

>>717630220
My best friend is Jamaican and he always used to say he hates black people, and I always used to laugh. Then I realized he was serious and he was right.

>>717595303 (OP)
Shadowheart can consume the Noblestalk right? Well, anytime before Act3 at least.

I'm trying to pace content and I wouldn't give it to her in the Underdark if it's not a must.

least unhinged bg3tumblrtranny thread (but fr)

>>717630763
well I mean you don't even find it til the underdark right?

I feel bad for people who didn't play bg3 as durge for their first run.

>>717595796
You're basically removing all their voicelines for 2-3 unique dialogues, it's really lame

>>717630912
>dude.. what if you were a crazy murderhobo, but forgot?
Yeah that was um... cool I guess.

>>717630887
Right, and I have the plant already. But the Underdark is technically Act1 and I plan to give it to her during a more relaxed part of Act2. I prefer to talk to companions at specific intervals.

>>717630912
I feel having a playthrough under your belt helps a lot to appreciate all the specialty the Durge has to offer.

>>717600732
>redditbuddy
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>>717611682
Why is Shart the only one naked?

>>717631462
>I feel having a playthrough under your belt helps a lot to appreciate all the specialty the Durge has to offer.
My first run of the game was with 3 buddies of mine, so whenever a Durge scene came up they'd be shouting at me for being a crazy motherfucker the entire time. Very entertaining stuff. I feel like the backstory of Durge adds a bit of spice that the final act of the game sorely needs

>>717627586
You got it backwards, it was Larian seething.

>>717596487
>post made from the back of an ICE van

Are warlocks good? When I used Wyll I didn't know what to do with em besides spam EB with the occasional spell thrown in. It worked but it wasn't powerful like some of my other characters

Is it possible to play BG3 with just mercenary party members? I like Larian's quest and level design, but I simply cannot stand their character writing. I killed every companion in Original Sin 2 and just played with generics.

>>717632257
they can be okay for EB or building an omega smite build

>>717632440
You can do that in bg3 too if you wish. In fact, if you pick certain options they may never join you at all. You have the choice when you run into them.

>>717632257
Warlocks are only 2nd to rogues when it comes to needing to multiclass to get the most out of them. I've never been impressed by pure warlocks

>>717632257
Warlocks are very good. Every character should have at least one level in Warlock.

gloomstalker still the goat?

>>717618231
The Orcess was cute as fuck tho.

>>717632972
What does 1 level in warlock provide a character that is so powerful?

>>717632440
Sure. You can even solo the game if you want to! The recruitment option is tied to a certain NPC that can be found in a dungeon that's almost surely will be the first one you encounter in the game. Your MC being level 3 is also a requirement but I wouldn't suggest visiting the place below that anyway. There are 12 hirelings to choose from but that includes the circus freak Bearded Lady right here, so in reality the pool is rather 11 deep. Each party member costs 100 gold to hire.

>>717633251
Shield spell as a reaction on short rest (melee characters typically have a harder time making use of their reaction)
Bonus action Hexblade curse for 5% more crit and 2-4 extra damage on hit
Ability to bind weapons to use CHA as a modifier for attacks/damage
Medium armor and shield profs
All of their stuff refreshes on short rest, too. Just a lot of stuff that can benefit a wide variety of characters. I wouldn't give it to every character though, I think that's hyperbolic.

>>717633064
yup

>>717632591
>>717633379
Wonderful, always love the option of dungeon crawling with no-name jobbers.

>>717598717
Its a pity, both Wargroove games are good and the sequel fixes the one problem with the first one - lack of comprehensive custom mods beyond pallet swaps and changing around of existing assets . Hell, the big nigress pirate even has a laughing emote with giant jiggling tiddies, but the character design for the games are both kind of off. The character on the left there is supposed to be a woman. She's not a horrid character in game, but the
>red nose like everyone is drunk
art style really fucked with a lot of things, among other character design bits. The units are pretty varied, including commanders (the nigress is only one of one faction) there's a whole faction of mouse people and some of the other factions from WG1 including the undead/vaguely viking people. Overall the games are worthwhile; I'm kind of surprised that WG2 is still getting updated with frequency given that Chucklefish usually fucks off stupidly.

>>717612097
>oh my onions let's waste dev time on origin playthroughs no real gamer wants
>leaves act 3 unfinished
great job bro

>>717618231
what mod?

>>717632440
i played the first game without the companions they were boring and i was confused why i couldn't do certain missions lol

>>717600518
beards are only acceptable on lumber workers
mustaches are only acceptable on serving officers
everyone else should shave

>>717612097
>oh my söy let's waste dev time on origin playthroughs no real gamer wants
>leaves act 3 unfinished
great job bro

>Tencent shilling this slop all day
>400+ Deepseek posts
What's the point of /vg/?

>>717596487
I would give origins a go if I could actually change what they look like, Durge is gold standard but I'd take anything within the confines of their race/class.
Does it really fucking matter that much to Astarion's backstory that he keeps the adoring fan's haircut?

>>717634063
>>717634278
sorry bro my internet is acting up but you get my point who the fuck gives a shit about origin playthroughs they're all gay and waste time should have left it to modders instead and finish the fucking gane

>>717595303 (OP)
>no one wants to be self inserted as a black man
no one wants to be self inserted as a GAY black man
you forgot something there OP, no one wants to be a zesty bitch

>>717612158
wrex is a bad example, his arc is the most tied in to his overall species' story out of everyone you meet

>>717601561
>click learn more
>you don't actually learn the reason they disabled comments per individual video
It'd be pretty funny if clicking 'learn more' took you to something akin to a ban reason page

>>717634063
>>717634278
are you replying to the right post?

>>717605254
It wasn't till they made him cheat on you that made me raise an eyebrow. Someone at Bioware had issues needed vented.

>>717612097
>I don't want to be bhaalspawn
don't play bg1 nor bg2 bucko

>>717635308
had to clarify that the fucked up double post was mine with more seethe about how larian gave an unfinished game is all du and tav is all you need and origin fags need to fuck off

>>717626686
He did write an interesting character, he just had to get you involved with it somehow so he threw together Jacob as an afterthought to get to him.

>>717630220
This was me until I noticed whites and blacks are the only self aware races on 4chan. I have never seen any of the other nonwhites criticize their own dysfunction. Now I don't give a shit about nigger hate because the person behind the screen might be an arab shitposting about how euros are cucks.

He had a lisp and was an overall pussy

>>717635731
Tranny cuck falseflag spotted.

>>717630220
If it makes you feel better no one on /pol/ is truly white

>>717595796
Only one that might be worth it imo is wyll because tav warlock has zero flavor, and most people don’t bring wyll in their party anyway. Everyone says gale, but I feel like gale is actually enjoyable as an actual party member. Wyll is kinda whatever, so losing his dialogue isn’t too bad.

>>717636213
t. Brown

>>717595303 (OP)
The problem with wyll is his one dimensional boring back story of a good aligned character. Even his warlock pact was out of goodness rather than some selfish ambition.

They should have gave him more fucked up storylines of an "inquisitor" type, the kind that kills good people just because he judged them wrong way.

The nigger exists, canonically, for me to use, experiment upon, sacrifice, bully etc and discard with no impact upon my story in any playthroughs
My favorites are Astarion and Shadowheart btw

>>717612841
white hair is a fantasy meme, it just makes you look old

>>717634393
>tencent giving money and IP rights to Larian Studios to create more DnD kino by taking it away from a useless (((muttberg))) corp that sells toxic toys to middle class white families
how isn't this a win for euros?