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Anonymous No.717595942 [Report] >>717596231 >>717596335 >>717597049 >>717597535 >>717597778 >>717597996 >>717597998 >>717598449 >>717598898 >>717600031 >>717600070 >>717601262 >>717601316 >>717601528 >>717601858 >>717603115 >>717606726 >>717608030 >>717608819 >>717610169
Is getting better at fighting games just a matter of grinding?
Or is it mostly talent? I wanna be a pro.
Anonymous No.717596231 [Report] >>717596872
>>717595942 (OP)
if you have to ask you aint gonna make it
post more chun-li tho
Anonymous No.717596335 [Report] >>717599343
>>717595942 (OP)
30% grinding
70% talent
Anonymous No.717596872 [Report] >>717598668 >>717611034
>>717596231
That’s stupid, one guy once asked on a forum how to work at Nintendo and years later his name showed up in the credits of BotW. Everyone starts from somewhere, those who are afraid of asking question are the ones who are not gonna make it.
Anonymous No.717597049 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
you have to play people in person to actually improve. online fighting games are garbage.
Anonymous No.717597535 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
that's a dude isn't it
Anonymous No.717597696 [Report] >>717597998 >>717599343
It's called the 'gene', you have to be born with it to be good at fighting games, white people mostly lack this and should play fps games like God intended
Anonymous No.717597778 [Report] >>717599343
>>717595942 (OP)
To be a pro you need to have the gene otherwise you'll only grind your way to the top 10%. You need to be able to react as fast as a human can to be somewhat consistent in these kind of games.
Anonymous No.717597996 [Report] >>717599343
>>717595942 (OP)
Both.
No matter how much you grind if you aren't blessed with the mental speed to act/ react, analyze and execute in the realm of miliseconds you won't go far.
Anonymous No.717597998 [Report] >>717598463 >>717599343
>>717595942 (OP)
with most games you will play them online ang against other people and gradually get better the same way everyone else does. fighting games are different in that it requires you to sit in practice mode for anywhere between a few hours and an eternity.
>>717597696
black people are attracted to stylized violence because they're violent.
Anonymous No.717598449 [Report] >>717603371 >>717605221 >>717606394
>>717595942 (OP)
Unironically, as long as you are not white you are goochy. Just look at tournament results.
Anonymous No.717598463 [Report] >>717598549 >>717598603 >>717598807 >>717602008
>>717597998
Nope, black and Japanese people are just more intelligent than whites, that’s why we thrive in high IQ games.
Anonymous No.717598549 [Report]
>>717598463
It really do be like that
Anonymous No.717598567 [Report]
it's a little bit of everything
Anonymous No.717598603 [Report]
>>717598463
frfr
Anonymous No.717598668 [Report]
>>717596872
Thats a cool story bro but completely unrelated
He either gits gud or he forever flops in tournaments
Simple as
Anonymous No.717598807 [Report]
>>717598463
Whities can't handle the drive system. Sad but true.
Anonymous No.717598898 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
>She's doing the strange asian thumb bend thing.
Anonymous No.717599343 [Report] >>717599806 >>717601252 >>717602317 >>717606983 >>717607403 >>717607451
>>717596335
>>717597696
>>717597778
>>717597996
>>717597998
Is it not possible to to train to get better reflexes?
Anonymous No.717599806 [Report]
>>717599343
Sure, anon. Just go to the doctor and ask him to remove your extra chromosome.
Anonymous No.717600031 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
Grinding gets you to bronze, but only talent can take you to silver or gold in big events.
Anonymous No.717600070 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
Both, which is why i would rather play ten 100 hour games than spend 1000 hours in a training room
Anonymous No.717600623 [Report] >>717601090
Mostly reaction times and adapting to your opponent's strategy then readapting when he changes his. This alone filters out like 80% of the general video game audience because its harder than ADS and mouse click 1 to kill enemies.
Anonymous No.717601090 [Report] >>717601378 >>717601517
>>717600623
My reaction is trash, but I’m good at adapting to my opponent’s fighting style, am I fucked because I wasn’t born with good reflexes?
Anonymous No.717601252 [Report]
>>717599343
fighting games are mostly about prediction
Anonymous No.717601262 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
>just a matter of grinding
No, to truly get better you need to get rid of the mental stack.
It doesn't matter how much you grind if you're still stuck in the
>see thing
>acknowledge thing
>remember counters
>pick one
>do counter
You will always be behind.
Also don't waste time doing combos you can't land, a weaker combo you land 100% of the time is always better than a strong one that you fail 70%.
Anonymous No.717601316 [Report] >>717601858 >>717602338 >>717611860
>>717595942 (OP)
Don't listen to the talent bros.
Talent doesn't exist. The fighting game gene isn't real
Maybe your learning curve might be different based on a number of factors
But grinding by playing isn't really enough. you need to study the genre and the game as a whole
I would say like 60% play and 40% study.
Not just combos and dumb shit, but matchups, spacing knowledge, awareness, etc
Also learn to not tilt and learn how to study your replays
Anonymous No.717601375 [Report]
It's more about learning the characters you fight against, if you actually play everyone enough and develop a jack of all trades playstyle then no one can beat you except yoshimitsu players
Anonymous No.717601378 [Report]
>>717601090
Yep, no sugarcoating it
You can still have fun playing casually and musclememoring some combos but youll never get good (and Im not talking about getting pro level)
Anonymous No.717601517 [Report]
>>717601090
I would say fighting games are like 20% reactions and 80% reads
You can definitely practice your reflexes.
Daigo used to stream for hours just doing uppercuts.
Do like 100 uppercuts on both sides each day. You will see a large improvement
Anonymous No.717601528 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
To improve at anything you have to do it correctly with repetition.

It's always going to require some amount of grinding to hit your plateau.
Anonymous No.717601696 [Report] >>717602229
Ignore the retards here. You can get good, just depends on how much you want it.
You might not make it to a pro level or win a major, but you can get pretty good just by practicing and not giving up.
I believe in you anon!
Anonymous No.717601858 [Report] >>717602338
>>717595942 (OP)
50/50 split, you can get really good and win some local tournaments with practice but you need good reaction times, have a talent for mind games and have good instincts if you want to join the top 1%. It helps to start early too, if you're already in your 20s and picking up Smash now don't expect miracles.

>>717601316
There's a reason there are thousands of esports wannabe fags that stream all day everyday and go nowhere. You can't bruteforce athlete level performance you're either gifted enough to make it or you aren't.
Anonymous No.717602008 [Report]
>>717598463
I have never seen a single black person play or enjoy an RTS to be fair.
That's partially a lie, there's that funny picture of the Spurs playing Starcraft together.
Anonymous No.717602229 [Report]
>>717601696
>You can get good, just depends on how much you want it.
Yep, this is the real gene right here. If you can put up with all the bullshit in a fighting game long enough to get good then you have the gene.
Anonymous No.717602317 [Report] >>717608151
>>717599343
No.
It's like being short and playing Basketball: no amount of training will allow you to overcome tall opponents.
Anonymous No.717602338 [Report]
>>717601858
>>717601316
What the other anon said is right.
I think anyone can become a GM level chess player with enough time, but to become a top 1% fighting game player requires a genetic level of reaction time that cannot be trained. You can still get pretty good. And you can find ways to abuse your game knowledge and maybe eek out wins, but you're never going to stay on top. I did that as a SC2 player who was able to get into Masters League with only 100-120 APM.

While you can train yourself for better accuracy and precision (like clicking on heads in a FPS), you cannot train for a better reaction time.
Anonymous No.717602562 [Report]
It's genetics. Set your expectations low and try to find people who are within your skill level so you can actually have fun while playing the video game.
Anonymous No.717602870 [Report] >>717606475 >>717609250
To all the anons giving advice that it's mostly training and studying? Piccolo would be proud. I am proud. All of you are the ones that actually play fighting games and aren't fake faggots.
Anonymous No.717603115 [Report] >>717603521 >>717605092
>>717595942 (OP)
>I wanna be a pro.
this is what fighting games do to people
Anonymous No.717603371 [Report]
>>717598449
ok MenaRD is kinda based
Anonymous No.717603521 [Report] >>717603831
>>717603115
>just stay young forever bro
can't wait for you to go bald
you worthless faggot retard
Anonymous No.717603745 [Report]
Anonymous No.717603831 [Report]
>>717603521
uh-oh spotted the balding angry retard,you know these days there's absolutely no excuse when you can just fly to Turkey.And am 30 and my hair is thicker than ever,nobody in my family is balding,thank you very much
Anonymous No.717603898 [Report] >>717604459
this thread is weird. None of these new games even take great reaction speed
Anonymous No.717604459 [Report]
>>717603898
Any fighting game thread here inevitably fills up with /vg/ nutjobs. Don't take it too serious or they'll drag you down with them.
Anonymous No.717604574 [Report]
you either have the gene or you don't
Anonymous No.717604638 [Report]
The point where you can have fun and be good and get something from it is far from pro
Just like anything, pick up any hobby you want
Anonymous No.717605092 [Report]
>>717603115
>Popularity and twitch friendships*
They got too popular, got along with the wrong people and got burned out
Anonymous No.717605221 [Report]
>>717598449
UNC got some hands
Anonymous No.717605235 [Report] >>717606756 >>717608252
>Genetics and reaction time
This must be the most pathetic cope i've seen to come out of /v/
Anonymous No.717605971 [Report]
White people are crippled by a fear of competition, it's the main driving force behind everything they do.
Anonymous No.717606394 [Report]
>>717598449
More like laRD lol
Anonymous No.717606475 [Report]
>>717602870
Piccolo hasn’t been relevant for decades.
Anonymous No.717606726 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
Actual "pro" here with 20 years of experience in all things fighting. Grinding is a huge part of it, yes. Before you do anything grind out feeling your character and find a main to stick with. This is important. Do not branch out to other characters until you've solidified this first. Switching chars later in your career will only hurt your growth. You can dabble in other characters once you're good. While branching out can infact help you see things from another characters perspective and what they want in a matchup, you need to build your core understanding of the game first.

1: watch tutorial videos, not just for your character/s, but also their combo routes, spacing/footsies, and watch videos on general gameplay theorycrafting and mentality. Mentality being most important just as much as execution. These guides exist for a reason. Don't listen to 0-2 shitters who say otherwise.
2: try to understand the videos, and the reasons why the person in the video is making the decisions they're trying to make. This will only get better for you as time goes on and you understand more situations. Your understanding of the game, its mechanics, and the situations in which to use said mechanics will grow.

3: do not get involved in capcom drone drama, just trust me. Its bad for your health as a player.
Anonymous No.717606756 [Report]
>>717605235
That’s an fgg cope, the most pathetic general on vg, no wonder the actual players left and founded sfg instead.
Anonymous No.717606983 [Report] >>717607172 >>717607750
>>717599343
is there a single modern fighting game where reflexes matter anymore? like as long as you arent geriatric it should not be an issue
Anonymous No.717607172 [Report] >>717607345 >>717607545 >>717608297 >>717610487
>>717606983
What are the fighting games where reflexes matter the most?
Anonymous No.717607345 [Report]
>>717607172
According to cap-drones those ones arent "Fighting games". It hurts their feelings those games take more skill than their slow footsies sim.
Anonymous No.717607403 [Report]
>>717599343
Some people are just quicker. Theres some physical barriers i guess since you might actually be retarded for making this post.
Anonymous No.717607451 [Report] >>717607592
>>717599343
you can train to get better reflexes and reaction speed. but there are people who are simply born with genes to have better reflexes and reactions. reaching the top 10% is still a massive achievement. also don't forget that pros are also take PEDs on top of genetics
Anonymous No.717607545 [Report]
>>717607172
everything like pre ps4 era
Anonymous No.717607592 [Report] >>717609161
>>717607451
I take adderal to study because I have actual diagnosed ADHD, does it help in fighting games?
Anonymous No.717607628 [Report]
>Reactions
What the hell? No, you need probability prediction.
What is the most likely action your opponent will do? And this takes hours upon hours of knowledge gathering as well as impromptu analysis skills during the match.
Anonymous No.717607750 [Report]
>>717606983
I feel like reflexes are all that matter in modern fighting games, what are you talking about?
There are so many >See red light press blue button mechanics in modern games, it's retarded.
Anonymous No.717608030 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
Matter of grinding. Every game has different frame data. You cant just intuitively know frame data
Anonymous No.717608151 [Report] >>717608517
>>717602317
Steph Curry is only 6"2 though
Anonymous No.717608252 [Report] >>717609989
>>717605235
Match-deciding actions literally take place in the time between pressing a button and said button closing the controller / stick's internal electric circuit.
Anonymous No.717608297 [Report]
>>717607172
melee with how spastic it is
Anonymous No.717608517 [Report]
>>717608151
thats still tall for the overall human population, if he was just as good a shooter but like 5'6 he would have never made it to the league
Anonymous No.717608819 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
most games you'll get better by playing them. leaving any factors aside you can improve (relative) to yourself in practically any game.
Anonymous No.717609161 [Report]
>>717607592
if it only makes your brain function normally no. people with a normal brain will have far better results than you when taking adderall and other focus enhancing drugs
Anonymous No.717609250 [Report] >>717609770 >>717609990
>>717602870
Which is why fighting games aren't worth playing if you just play videogames for fun / as a leisure activity.
If you're going to spend thousands of hours training and studying, why don't you just take a second career or a certification course? At least that will improve your income.
Anonymous No.717609427 [Report]
i think its easier to get to high levels in fighting games with training than with something like fps, because theres a lot of technical stuff to understand. but you wont get to the highest level without talent.
Anonymous No.717609770 [Report]
>>717609250
I mean you could always go casual and just try to win the 1p campaign mashing buttons
Anonymous No.717609989 [Report]
>>717608252
Studying and training helps you managing your mental stack, which is a lot more important than reflexes, every reaction is a premeditated guess, you can train reflexes.
Anonymous No.717609990 [Report] >>717611390
>>717609250
I mean you could say that about a lot of things why practice and get better at drawing? or any hobby that isnt profitable.
Anonymous No.717610169 [Report]
>>717595942 (OP)
you cannot do anything until you've practiced it for at least 1000 hours. if you aren't practicing your bread and butter at least one hour a day your literally never gonna make it. Daigo would go into practice and do his inputs for anti-airs and basic combos from the left and the right like 2 hours a day every day. You think he was just born able to perfect parry chun-lis super in third strike? talent is just reaction time and youth. grinding is being able to recognize and adapt to any situation that someone will throw at you. fighting games are more about neuroplasticity than the actual game feints spacing all kinds of tsun tsu the art of war, but you better believe if you fuck up the input that will determine the win or loss in a tournament environment.

or you know you can money match locals and just scrub out cheese tactics I don't know what you think pro means.
Anonymous No.717610487 [Report] >>717612915
depends what you mean by 'good'.

fighting games are weird in that before you can even 'compete', you need to have the prerequisite of knowing how to mechanically input special moves and combos, including memorizing combos.

some people are 'bad' in that they just have difficulty in inputting combos or special movies at an accurate level.

at a very basic level, you can be 'good' at a fighting game when you: 1; can consistently input specials and combos, 2; memorize several combos for common conditions, 3; learn the matching of your character vs others.

to be 'very good' is just to do all the above, but also have an understanding and feel of your opponents plans, and to correctly and quickly react to disrupt your opponent and set up your combos -- although how quick you have to be depends on how well you understand your opponent, and the matchup

to be extremely good is to be able to do all the above, just at extreme consistency. you never drop combos, you never miss an opportunity to punish, you react correctly and quickly and constantly disrupt your opponent, and on top of that you can improvise unorthodox moves and adapt on the fly, not to mention perform all this in high-stress situations

so i would say most people with time an dedication can be good to very good with practice, lets say top 15-20%. although to be very good it might rely on understanding how to compensate for your individual weaknesses with character and move choices. to be extremely good, like top 5% probably relies both on a lot of practice but also a lot of talent.

(t. someone who doesnt care for and is bad at fighting games)

>>717607172
probably any fighting game where they have essentially instant death 100 move combos, because you fuck up once and you die like marvel vs capcom 2 or something
Anonymous No.717611034 [Report]
>>717596872
>one guy once asked on a forum how to work at Nintendo and years later his name showed up in the credits of BotW
yeah after spending at least 1000 hours practicing a skill set to be able to perform what the responses told him would be necessary. asking a question is merely a hypothetical, taking the first step is an actual action now start doing something and only stop to ask when you don't know how to proceed.
Anonymous No.717611390 [Report] >>717611704
>>717609990
Drawing is a hobby and pastime that actually creates and can even become profitable if you want to.
Playing games is a purely consumerist hobby
Anonymous No.717611704 [Report] >>717611835
>>717611390
>consumerist hobby
goddamn lefties finding new ways to be anti-fun
Anonymous No.717611835 [Report]
>>717611704
>leftist
sounds more like some conservetard jargon in order to keep you contributing to the GDP
Anonymous No.717611860 [Report]
>>717601316
>Not just combos and dumb shit, but matchups, spacing knowledge, awareness, etc
>Also learn to not tilt and learn how to study your replays
ok anon here kind of spitting bars though OP
Anonymous No.717612915 [Report]
>>717610487
>lab for hours, feel therapeutic working on and memorizing combos
>hop online
>it takes some time, some fights, some losses, some wins, but finally start to land your combos in complete execution
>feel extremely elated

I feel it. I feel the cosmos. This is why I love and enjoy fighting games. You don't get this sort of thing in team games. It's just you, your progression, and your opponent. But let me add to this:

>and on top of that you can improvise unorthodox moves and adapt on the fly

This shit is where the feeling of elation extends even further beyond. I've felt it one time in an online match, and it was one of the most amazing feelings I've come across, as if it were actually one of those typical shonen moments. Let me try to explain as short and simple as I can.

>already lost the first round
>currently getting rolled in the second
>however, mid match, do a command or move I don't normally press
>it beats theirs buttons
>"Wha... I... I just found out about a move and/or command that has frames which beat theirs"
>win second match

God. So this is how shonen protags feel...