Thread 717651107

Been feeling getting into a Metroidvania so I just started playing Super Metroid last night. Never completed it.

Any tips?

(Wanted to try Castlevania SOTN but it's not on the eShop ffs)

>>717651107 (OP)
>Any tips?
yeah, learn how to mockball and arm pump so you can do bosses in reverse

>>717651107 (OP)
Literally have fun.
When you get the ice beam, you'll need to go to brinstar for power bombs. After you get those, go back to where the ice beam was. It's the only time the game doesn't subtly direct you to what to do next

>>717651107 (OP)
>Any tips?

No. If it's your first time playing Super Metroid, then go into it as blind as you can be. Half of the fun is discovering cool shit you can do and finding unlockables.

I will be a hypocrite though and say the big boss in Maridia later in the game can be pretty though, so try experimenting with the arena's environment AND the grapple beam if you wanna cheese it

Also I recommend playing Metroid Zero Mission too after Super, since it's hella lot shorter and easier and would be a great game to pair along with Super to get into Metroidvanias

>>717651107 (OP)
The last game where Samus was still portrayed as fit.

>>717651107 (OP)
2 tips
there is a run button
and the x-ray scope doesn't work on everything

>>717651425
This is also by far the worst thing with the game. You literally have to search every area like an idiot in order to know where to go here.

>>717652156
Most times Samus is seen out of the suit it's for sex appeal (even though armoured women is even hotter)

>>717652307
But that wasn't my point. After Super Metroid, they basically portrayed her like this smoking hot blonde with junk in her trunk.

>>717651107 (OP)
Metroid isn't a Metroidvania.
Is a pickup truck an SUV?

>>717652383
That's also what my point was. Zero Suit Samus was a mistake.

>>717651294
>>717651425
>>717651743
Thanks Metbros. Also wanna say I love the atmosphere in this game. Some of the horror music reminds me of Resident Evil 1 and even the music that plays when during that swinging plant boss thing where its spores fall down sounds like the fucking courthouse theme or Plant 42. Do you think RE1 took a bit of influence from this game?

Time to make a coffee and get back to the game.

>>717652437
But I don't think ZSS was a mistake on her own. They could've made her a fit-looking badass.

>>717652307
I've always loved that art. Huge respect to the illustrator.

>>717652959
Yeah, that's what Samus should look like. Then Sakamoto got horny and ruined her.

>>717651107 (OP)
>eShop
I do have a tip, learn how to use emulators.

>>717653121
Not everyone wants to be an illegal piece of shit

>>717653121
Nah, eshop is fine. I know how to use emulators but I already have access to SNES emulator on my Switch 2.

beat this on switch online app, why does ridley have so much hp, I had to replay that part a few times

>>717653252
Plasma beam works but to get it you need to master the space jump timing

>>717652307
Imagine if we got this instead of the fat-assed blonde Barbie doll that is Samus today.

Play super metroid with a guide. Its borderline retarded how they expect you to know things without even hinting at it.

>>717652282
Thats called exploring, anon. Most of us figured this shit out in our early/mid teens with no youtube, no gamefags, no internet.

>>717653528
Apparently you needed to hear this too
>>717653531

>No internet guides
But you fuckers did GET THE POWER NINTENDO POWER for Metroid 1

>>717653531
Sure, but is it fun to explore without hints? You do get a hint when you go there the first time to get the ice beam, as you see power bomb icons on the floor. However, if you take a break and forget these icons, you have to literally search the entire game in order to know how to proceed.

This is not good game design. It's not fun to explore without hints.

>>717653569
Tongue my anus.

>>717653528
I figured things out as a teen.

>>717653190
why is your generation so afraid of the government when you can literally get away with emulating older games with zero consequence.
It would be a different story if the owners of these old games provided legal methods of playing their games, but they don't, so you're not even at fault for emulating them.
>>717653196
It's obviously NOT fine if it doesn't have the games you want on it. Hence the suggestion to emulate it.

Seriously what is this new generation of "men"? I was emulating PSX games in the year 2002 when I was like 15 years old. I don't understand what the actual fuck is wrong with you guys.

>>717653753
It's not about being afraid, it's about not being a scumbag

>>717653753
>Government out of nowhere
Back to /pol/ with ye

>>717653753
>Seriously what is this new generation of "men"? I was emulating PSX games in the year 2002 when I was like 15 years old. I don't understand what the actual fuck is wrong with you guys.

Mate I'm 35. I was doing all that at a young age. Emulating PS1 games too. But I already have a SNES emulator on my Switch 2. It's not hard to understand.

>>717653753
>PSX
>2002
Nope. Fake reply. Nobody said that back then

>>717652437
Nah. But giving her such a fat ass was a mistake.

>>717653805
so I'm a scumbag for not wanting to pay Bob on ebay 120 dollars for a PS1 game? (no developer gets the money, only Bob on ebay)

>>717653753
>PSX

>>717653604
Metroid 1 was too brutal. Play Zero Mission instead.

>>717653882
That was not that difficult though, as there's no other room looking like that. So you kind of get a hint something should be done there.

>>717653620
>Sure, but is it fun to explore without hints
Yes. Especially considering the game drives you along by the (lack of) items you have. Cant reach that ledge next to the elevator in brinstar? Take the elevator. Oh, heated rooms. Cant go there. Huh, this one isnt heated. Hey, high jump. Back up to that room. Boss fight. VARIA. Hey I can check these heated rooms out now. Ice beam. Speed booster. Wave. Grapple. Huh, cant advance further down here. Let's head back up and poke around. Xray. Power bombs. More ammo. Man water really is blocking me off all over the place down here. Nowhere left to go except to the right from my ship, never checked it. Hey cool, new area. Phantoon. Cool the ship is powered up now let's look around. Hey GRAVITY COOL I CAN MOVE IN WATER NOW oh fuck now im in Maridia. Wow there's a ton of spots here that are way too hard to jump to, no way I can reach them with what I have now. Heres Draygon. What's this, space jump? Oh cool I can infinitely jump now. What's thru this door I couldn't reach? Oh damn this plasma beam is awesome it hits like a train. Welp I found everything here let's go check what's past that one room in norfair with the super deep lava. Oh shit awesome music. Fuck its that guy from the beginning. I can fight him now cuz im so much stronger! I beat him, awesome! Hey now that I killed these bosses i wonder what that gold statue of them i found will do. Oh shit Tourian. METROIDS man thank God I found that ice beam.

Etc etc

Every metroidvania works this way. You are intended to remember the places you cannot reach and when you locate a movement item or an item that nullifies an environmental hazard, backtrack to investigate the area(s) you could not access beforehand.

>>717653805
You're hurting what company by emulating if that company won't let you pay to play their game?
Fucking retard.
>>717653840
But you're initially saying you want to play Castlevania SotN but it's not on your eShop. Hence the suggestion to emulate it.
Why do you keep saying you have a SNES emulator as a response? SotN isn't a SNES game.

>>717654004
And coming down from Crateria you pass by a broken pipe that looks exactly like this

>>717653993
Wasn't Zero Mission the game that ruined Samus's looks? Or do I mix games up?

>>717653887
>>717653973
This is the year 2025 though in case you didn't notice, dipshit.

>>717654121
And still, nobody says PSX. Everyone says PS1 because it was the first Playstation.

>>717651107 (OP)
>boot game up
>enjoying myself
>some weird doors I can't get past
>backtrack back and forth for 30 minutes
>close game
>play it again some months later after checking a walkthrough and seeing you have a rocket launcher that is never explained
>blow up the doors
>enjoying myself
>they introduce some weird ball mechanic
>don't understand it
>close game
>never play again

>>717654172
Obviously I say PSX because I did.
You just said it as well.
Congrats on being retarded and having no point.

>>717654219
>never explained
manual

>>717654065
>the game that ruined Samus's looks
No, that's Prime 2.

>>717654219
Not even the darkest gorillanigger in the deepest African jungle could pretend to be this retarded, anon. Its only funny if its plausible.

>>717654267
Fucking hell, the remaster looks so good.

I NEED to hold Samus' hand with her express permission just to comfort her and make sure that everything is alright

>>717654267
No, that's not it. Which game was it that gave her this big, flabby ass that looked completely out of character? That wasn't Prime 2, was it?

>>717654291
Yes, but the best way to play is still Prime Trilogy for the Wii with the PrimeHack emulator that lets you control with keyboard and mouse like a regular PC shootan.

>>717654267
>random women
>samus
>samus
seems its prime 1 that ruined her look until the other games fixed her back to normal

>>717654342
>Implying she's as big of a pussy as you are who needs comforting from alien worlds.
She enjoys that her bounty hunting, bitch.

>>717654291
What the fuck is wrong with her face? Looks like AI.

>>717653190
Actual fucking subhuman filth, off yourself.

>>717652383
>after
Spoken like someone who has never beaten super metroid

>>717654452
Yeah, but she needs meals cooked and sheets washed and maps updated.

>>717654489
Anon, do you know what junk in the trunk means?

>>717654492
Everyone does, and people who aren't pathetic losers do that themselves.
What makes you think she can't?

>>717654470
>Anon sees a beautiful woman for the first time, circa 42069 BCE

>>717654031
Ill probably get an emulator and play SOTN after. Or maybe I'll just grab the Castlevania collection and play Aria of Sorrow.

>>717654541
She's busy kicking ass. She's so much better at it than I would ever be

>>717654564
Base but Dawn of Sorrow has superior music to Aria of Sorrow.

>>717654596
If Samus were a real person, she'd be completely capable of -and willing to- cook her own food and do her own laundry.
You being a sex pest wouldn't interest her.

>>717654535
do you know what "smoking hot blonde" means
you have beaten super metroid right? you know what happens when you beat the game, right?

>>717654674
I said nothing about sex. She deserves a break.

>>717654715
She does take breaks. So what does that have to do with you?
Oh right, you're a sex pest.

>>717654620
Well I'll play DoS after AoS which i think is in the Dominus Collection.

It's cheeky they place the follow up to AoS in another collection so you have to pay twice. I'll probably just emulate.

>>717654675
Yes. You get to see a fit-looking Samus in a thong bikini from the front.

In later games, she doesn't look fit because Nintendo replaced her muscles with junk in the trunk.

>>717654768
weird projection

>>717654776
PoR is the best game in that collection anyway

>>717654791
you don't see her muscles because shes wearing more clothes that cover her abs
stop being retarded

>>717654861
Dude, her suit is so tight muscles would show throw. Also, junk in the trunk has nothing to do with abs.

>>717654807
Ive heard good things about that one too.

I hope we get a new Castlevania game soon desu.

>>717654807
ew no
Ranked almost dead last among most people's Castlevania lists.

>>717651107 (OP)
Don't use a walkthrough and don't worry about 100%ing the game on your first playthrough; just enjoy the game. Super Metroid was decades ahead of other games in terms of game design and its devs had basically nothing to really copy or draw from. It's actually mind blowing how good the game was and still is. Like, you don't need to add an asterisk when talking about it. It isn't "good for its time and set the foundation for later games," it's "one of the best metroidvanias ever made and able to go toe to toe with any modern games in the genre."

>>717655046
Cool. Thanks. Yeah im really enjoying it. I actually haven't really played many Metroidvania games so I'm not too familiar. All I know is you backtrack and it's non-linear and you find power ups and it's 2D.

I'm going through Super Metroid then I'll start the Castlevania games since I've never played them proper either.

>>717651107 (OP)
Nintendo has now priced super metroid at 1 trillion dollars for a copy on the nintendo eshop. If a bunch of people pirate it they can claim damages of several times all of the money in existence on planet earth in lost revenue. Japanese offenders will be enslaved to the nintendo corporation, as well as their entire family and future bloodline. Think before you STEAL

>>717653620
http://icewyrmgames.github.io/examples/the-invisible-hand-of-super-metroid/
What makes Super Metroid so good is the fact that it's actually a linear game that mascarades as a non-linear one. If you aren't going out of your way to abuse hidden tech like wall jumping or shinesparks or take intentionally obtuse routing, you, for the most part, are going to play the game in a very specific order; especially on your first play through. At any given time the "correct" path is the one right in front of you, and very often the wrong ones are gated off. In the case of the Ice Beam, once you get it you realize "oh hey I can get out of that shaft in Brinstar that I couldn't get back up" and you return there. Once there you keep going up because the room conditions you to think about climbing up and, surprise, you get the Power Bombs.

>>717654270
There is literally no indication to the player that you can switch weapons to a rocket launcher. It's retarded as fuck

>>717655473
Your generation is incapable of trying different things until you progress.
How absolutely fucking pathetic.

>>717655197
I went on a Castlevania binge several years ago having never played the series. I recommend it. If you want to play the Metroidvania ones start with SotN. The Classicvanias are definitely more of an acquired taste, but if they're your thing they are fun too. The Bloodstained games go well with the Castlevanias.

>>717651107 (OP)
>Any pipe a creature crawls out of is a pipe you can go in
>Power Bombs are really good at clearing out areas of breakable blocks

>>717655563
Awesome. Thanks anon. It's a shame SOTN isn't included in the Castlevania collection. I'll probably emulate that one.

>>717655473
The game shows you the controls both on the main menu in the control config screen and when you first get the Missile Launcher. Furthermore you're gated off from basically the entire map without learning to use it, and none of your other buttons really do anything yet so you'll figure it out pretty quickly.

>>717651107 (OP)
If you have a PSP/PSVita buy Dracula X Chronicles on the store, it's basically 3 castlevania games in one (including SOTN)

Metbros, how the fuck do ylu do this bit. I'm guessing you need to morph ball across but I'm not quick enough.

>>717655840
ah, the classic
hold run button

>>717655840
If that's the room with the gates you can mockball or come back after you get the speed boost, otherwise just run. You have been using the run button, right?

Which Metroid game is it where Samus's ass got all fat-looking?

>>717654990
Most people like rap music too, and it's hit shit. Enjoy whatever you want to, don't follow trends

>>717656341
*hot shit fucking hell

>>717655895
Cheers anon.

>>717655923
Yeah i did try running but didnt make it lol. I'll try again when I get back there.

>>717655840
You're intended to come back later with another upgrade. It's possible to get through with a pretty easy to learn speedrun trick, but it's probably best just to skip it

>>717654675
hell he wouldn't even have had to beat the game, just playing it and dying once would show him he's wrong.

How the fuck do i get back up? I even have the hi-jump boots. Tried sprinting and jumping too.

Sorry if dumb moment

>>717658889
You need the freeze upgrade.
Freeze the enemies, then use them as platforms to jump from.
You only have a few seconds after they freeze to make the jumps, so time it carefully.

>>717658889
you don't. you aren't supposed to go back up that until you get ice beam which lets you turn enemies into platforms.

>>717659067
>>717659075
Thanks. Guess ill head deeper into Maridia.

I'm literally stuck in Maridia bros.

Cant get past the closing metal bar things quick enough.

>>717655840
mockball protip: tap down right after you jump and do a hadouken as you touch the ground

>>717659747
Thanks. Ill practice it.

>>717659736
FORGET ABOUT THIS. I figured it out!

OK it was just leading me to Spazer. Still stuck.

>>717651107 (OP)
Just play it and enjoy. It's all downhill for the entire genre after that.

>>717652183
>the x-ray scope doesn't work on everything
Fuck that part where it doesn't show you the hidden passage way for now reason

>>717660472
I'm stuck in Maridia. Got the Spazer. I cant make it through the second metal barrier. I'm not fast enough. I also can't get back up out of Maridia.

>>717660606
you're in norfair and super missile the right wall in the elevator room go fight kraid get varia go through norfair get power bombs wave beam fucking whatever else you're gonna need your hand held for

>started playing this for the first time
>suddenly, Super Metroid thread
>>717653882
This actually filtered me. I like to believe I'm not super dense because it did seem very off to me, but the problem was I did try normal bombs, missiles and super missiles but not power bombs which I only got later. So I just kept running past it thinking there was nothing I could do here. Now I getting destroyed by the Maridia boss because I didn't figure out yet how I'm supposed to get a few hits in without being caught by the stupid webs, though I might just have to be less greedy.
Loving this game so far. One of my favorite moments was probably the walljump reveal and the fact that you could just do it from the beginning, it's just impossible to discover accidentally.

>>717660710
Thanks anon

>>717653882
The worst part about this is there's like a 5 second delay after you bomb it

The charge beam is your friend, much better than standard missiles.
When walljumping do one input after another, not at the same time.
Metroid cannot crawl, but she can ball.

Game's fucking awesome

>>717660874
>did this a short while ago
>significantly fewer energy tanks and missiles than in the screencap
O-oh...

>>717651425
I'd argue that it still does hint very strongly. The Speed Booster directs you to a room that leads back to the main shaft of Norfair near the Ice Beam gates, it locks you in a few rooms in upper red Brinstar until you find the power bombs, and the passageway to Croc is clearly marked on the map, which is very conspicuously located on the main shaft of Norfair.
While there's room for the players to miss the hints, it's a pretty clear progression if you ask me.

Since this is the designated Metroid thread, I'm going to bring this up here. What the fuck was that last area?

>>717660710
bro why'd you tell him? he should've noticed it on the map eventually.

>>717653190
Legal in my country, must suck living in some shithole with no human rights.

>>717653952
Stop being a greedy fucking theif

>>717653121
I have an actual tip, use actual hardware and don't listen to nonsense form Emulatroons.