>Final Fantasy but not for braindead niggger normalfag foid "gamers"

>>717676146 (OP)
>Remember seeing The Final Fantasy Legend 1 and 2 in a game store when I was younger
>Was actually at a reasonable price
>Thought it was a bootleg so I didn't get it
I hate my life

you should stop making these threads, they are too retarded and lame for actual SaGa fans

SaGa fans take pride in having a high percentage of women in the fanbase. It's a series that appeals to casual gamers that play a little on the train to work, whereas Final Fantasy is for more hardcore gamers. The SaGa mobage was also very successful.

>Another falseflagging thread

>>717676146 (OP)
I like both series, my favorite Final Fantasy is [unintelligible] and my favorite SaGa is [incoherent gibberish], but I really like them all. Ihave yet to beat Unlimited SaGa, X-2, and XII, and have not played XIII or anything after. X-2 I plan to play this year.

>>717676146 (OP)
and that's why saga frontier is a dead series

>>717676146 (OP)
>but not for braindead niggger normalfag foid "gamers"
Uhhhhh you are definitely not intelligent for playing SaGa. The games are obtuse, not complex.

>>717676146 (OP)
I like SaGa games and posts like these won't make other people play SaGa games.

>>717677427
SaGa Frontier had 11 sequels.

>>717677693
>Obtuse
That's a funny way of saying "I was filtered and am stupid"

>>717676146 (OP)
Never played these games but going off the fanbase I assume they suck since they're the same tier of retard that sucks off FF8 and is so insecure about their tastes they have to lash out at everything else

>>717676146 (OP)
there's no way I'm the only person who always sees "Salsa Frontier"

>>717676449
Legend 3 was the only good one.

>>717679098
Even Sakaguchi makes fun of Kawazu for his obtuse designs.

>>717676146 (OP)
>Pick whichever race doesn't need items robots I think? its been 30 years I dont fucking remember
>Steam roll the game without thinking

>>717679379
Considering Sakaguchi is a hack fraud who killed two companies while Kawazu is still in the business and one of the most prolific designers and directors of his generation this isn't the own you think it is

>>717679530
None of that is real, but even if it were, it doesn't change the fact that Kawazu's game designs are openly and universally acknowledged as obtuse.

>>717679678
it's meant to emulate tabletop campaigns, yes

>>717679379
>>717679530
>>717679678

>>717679379
>The guy who worked on fucking Blue Dragon of all things criticizing anything

>>717679179
They're what happens when a Japanese game developer really likes tabletop games and old WRPGs. Your average JRPG fan will hate them, while your average WRPG fan will think they're not westernized enough.

>>717679678
Spirits Within and the unending series of flops he made with Mistwalker are very much real, much like the fact that SaGa games are not only alive and well but inspired many generations of games is also real, it isn't Kawazu who bloated budgets beyond belief to the point FF struggled to make even despite selling millions.
I also wouldn't take the opinions of a fraud businessman who pushed for turning games into movies seriously against one of the few directors who strove for actual game design and gameplay over hollywood nonsense, but I guess you're also one of those people who think Inafune was a misunderstood genius.

>>717676146 (OP)
Legitimately one of THE best remakes. This is the sort of game that benefits from accessibility features and information that was otherwise in the manual.

>>717679273
I don't even think you're baiting, but how could you possibly believe this?

>>717679831
He wasn't criticizing, he was laughing about it. It was in an interview where the topic of FFII came up, and it was mentioned that it was the poorest selling FF game to date. Sakaguchi joked about how it's the fault of Kawazu's obtuse design.

>>717680096
>Accessibility
I am vomit

>>717680096
when did this "character models in the menu" become a fad?

>>717680096
Hopefully the team is busy with the Final Fantasy V remake.

>>717680096
Not with what they did to the game, no

>>717680181
mobile game influence

>>717680181
They are imitating and improving on the western UX menu design.

>>717680342
And >>717680302 this.

>>717679998
Kawazu would be nobody if it wasn't for Sakaguchi. SaGa was always a commercial disaster, and its existence was subsidized by Final Fantasy's mega success.

>>717680161
FF2 sold more then the first game on Famicom and was regarded as an improvement in every aspect in contemporary reviews

>>717680446
SaGa 1 was Square's first million seller and Pokemon would not exist without it

>>717680280
Nonsense. Remake complaints are textbook complaints autistic fanboys would level at a game. I, for one, certainly didn't miss the narrowing of vision when you run, but you'll never hear people complain about that as "unwarranted change".

>>717680531
So? It was not a contemporary interview, and since then FF2 has built a reputation as being the black sheep of the series. And FF1 eventually outsold it in the end.

>>717680446
Kawazu was the one who actually designed FF1 together with Ishii so no, if anything it's the opposite.
What little Final Fantasy has in terms of identity is what Kawazu and Ishii made with the first two games, Sakaguchi being a fraud was only capable of telling other people to copy what Kawazu and Ishii made in the first two games, which is also why FF4 for instance reuses a lot of FF2's story and characters wholesale but flanderizes them.
>SaGa was always a commercial disaster, and its existence was subsidized by Final Fantasy's mega success.
SaGa 1 was literally Square's first million units selling title, despite Sakaguchi really wishing it would bomb as the petty asshole he is, but okay.

>>717680096
>>717680280
>>717680623
It's certainly much easier when the stats are in the open now. I wonder how many people missed differently named characters from the same class had different stats, weapon preferences and skill caps.

>>717680161
>"Poorest selling" FF still outsold everything he ever made by a country mile

Post your favorite Final Fantasy and your favorite SaGa game in this topic.

>>717681128
>final fantasy
>saga
>posta a mana game

>>717680623
You don't miss the mechanic that even the remaster dropped but for some reason you also don't miss the dozens of game mechanics that were dropped without adding anything in return.
You also don't complain about elemental defenses being still hidden or the various radical changes that are not in line with the series' identity let alone what the original game was going for, makes sense though since the people who bought this remake don't buy or like the rest of the series.
>>717681121
Stats were always out in the open, you could always see every single character's stats and proficiency levels, the only thing they made more transparent was letting you see which tech a specific character can learn or not.
The remake just axed entire layers of mechanics altogether so it's not that you're seeing more, the game just has less stuff altogether.

>>717681294
O-ok, then post your favorite Mana, Final Fantasy, and SaGa game in this topic.

>>717676146 (OP)
>Final Fantasy but bland and sauceless

>>717680096
I genuinely can't think of a Remake that's better than this one. Aside from maybe the new addition of United Attack, it retains everything good of the original game, fixed what was bad, and add some much needed narrative polish without skirting off to bad fan fiction territory.

*mogs all modern square slop*

>>717681664
>Shitty remaster
Ewwwwww

>>717682964
>delisting from Steam in your way
Genuinely what the fuck were they thinking?

>>717683287
Wasn't the PC port hot ass

I played Saga Frontiers I think and because stats aren't level-based, it takes fucking ages to get any new character up to par

>>717676146 (OP)
>Unable to talk about the ip without seething about ff

>>717683047
Only good thing that came out of it was fixing Pip and making him a viable, fourth best character. But the game crashed over 20 times while playing. At least the game takes you back to the launcher so you can go back right away.

>>717683325
No.

>>717683325
The PC port was probably the best SE did back then, problem is they didn't want to renew their UE3 license after it expired so they delisted it.
The more aggravating issue is that they ported it to UE4 for Switch and PS4 and they still didn't make a PC port, and that version also runs like ass on PS4 to add insult to injury.

>>717683287
They probably delisted it for the remaster, and then promptly decided not to release said remaster on the PC

>>717682145
Minstrel Song.

>>717683568
Also removed the option for Japanese voices for some asinine reason in the remaster.

Can we all admit Mana is the real meme franchise of Square? Every one of these games is heavily flawed or just fucking sucks.

Which SNES SaGa are worth emulating? Ive only played RS2R, I might play the original RS2

Saga does the thing where you level up like in FF2 by hitting things instead of having XP, right? Which one do I start iwth?

>>717676146 (OP)
>Final Fantasy but for contrarians
Ftfy

>>717683723
Consider RS2 Remake desu. It's kino.

>>717683693
Mana is by far the most inconsistent of their long running franchises, I still like it but I find it hard to defend a lot of the entries like Secret of Mana or Dawn of Mana.

>>717683723
The first one if you're not a faggot

>>717683720
2 on SNES is not translated but 1 and 3 are

>>717683693
Final Fantasy Adventure for the Game Boy does not suck and is probably the best one.

>>717682964
this was the game that got me into saga

>>717683325
no, it fixed pretty much everything that was wrong with the original x360 version which was pure ass

>>717683720
Play the remasters, if you only played the RS2 remake then you still haven't played much at all, you might even want to start with RS2 proper.
SNES RS1 is kinda bad so leave it for later when you're actually accustomed to the series and can at least try to understand what it was going for.

>>717683946
It doesn't have an unofficial translation? Are 1 and 3 any good?

>>717676146 (OP)
Test

>>717684050
Welcome back, anon. Try to avoid the no-no word from now on

>>717683693
Everything about this art style fills me with disgust

>>717683990
Still not a good sign the best entry in your franchise is the first game and mainly because it was an early playable action RPG on a handheld.

>>717683693
I have a pretty high slop tolerance but I still couldn't finish Visions. What a boring fucking game, dogshit characters too (mostly)

>>717684042
Only the prologue is translated for RS2 on SNES. The remaster is the only translated version.

RS1 is fully translated but very rough. It may be worth at least checking out using fast forward if you like the series.

RS3 is good and the SNES version is translated. The translation patch is called ver 0.30 but it is actually fully in English.

>>717684479
Thanks anon I'll play 3. I plan on playing Minstrel Song soon but Im playing other shit on my pc atm, I wanted a snes game to play on my 3DS

>>717684042
1 is really rough and honestly not a good time unless you really like the series and can deal with a lot of jank.
2 is untranslated outside of the remaster.
3 has a dogshit MT english patch that is full of errors, mistranslations and is also unfinished, so technically the remaster is the only translated version.

>>717676146 (OP)
>If I don't put final fantasy people won't bump my thread

>>717684628
>3 has a dogshit MT english patch that is full of errors, mistranslations and is also unfinished, so technically the remaster is the only translated version.
No, it's good and completely understandable. The remaster actually has more mistranslations

>>717684840
>Amen Tomb
>Brover
>Slit Hammer
The only wrong thing with the remaster's localization is that they changed some names as usual but I'll take those over a machine translated mess

>>717685174
These are weapon names that are not important. The remaster has actual lines are dialogue that are mistranslated into something different and confusing that the fan translation actually got correct.

>>717676146 (OP)
I've never played a single game of this franchise. Why should I?

>>717685465
I don't remember noticing any of that outside some questionable changes in terminology, I do remember Manasword's patch being full of many mistranslations, errors and stilted english.

What are your favorite entries in SaGa and Final Fantasy?
Minstrel Song and X are mine, with Unlimited and XIII close behind.

>>717683693
>trials gets one of the best remake treatments
>secret "remake" was absolutely half-assed by some chinese studio

>>717685653
Do you like deep mechanics, freeform character building, freedom of progression, actual roleplaying and not being bombarded by cutscenes and narrative made for 14 years old?
If yes then play these games.

>>717685927
Final Fantasy VI, VIII, and IV. SaGa Frontier, Romancing SaGa 2, SaGa Frontier 2. Top 3 and in no particular order. I like the rest of the games but haven't played Revenge of the Seven. I have also not played FFXI, XIII and the sequels, XIV, XV and XVI. For Mana, Trials, Final Fantasy Adventure, and Legend.

>>717680181
The original SD3 actually had your character's art in the stat menus.

>>717687290
lol

>>717685927
Frontier, SaGa 2 on gameboy, Romancing SaGa 3

FF5, and uh... 6 and 7 were alright I think

>>717678223
What is this shit

>>717680096
DQ 3 should have went this direction

>like JRPGs
>hate anime
I'm dumbtarded

>>717676146 (OP)
the newest one is unimaginably dogshit

>>717691469
How so?

>>717691647
it's new

>>717685653
I don't need to convince you. You're either ready for it or not.

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS PUT SO MANY CHARACTERS
YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT ANYBODY ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT 100 NAMED CHARACTERS

>>717684840
>No, it's good and completely understandable
>Fan translation
>Talk to Leonid
>Says the rooms are to the left
>They're actually to the right
>Remaster
>He says they're to the right
>They're on the right
Naw, Romancing SaGa 3 fan translation is trash. I tried it, got fed up with it, then God King Kawazu localized Romancing SaGa 3.

>>717691881
Large casts are kino

>>717676146 (OP)
Playing SaGa 1 right now and my MUTANT F is absolutely fucking busted as fuck, her STR stat won't stop increasing and she's one-shotting all the encounters, I still don't undestand how the level up mechanic works

>>717691232
https://store.steampowered.com/app/312750/Final_Fantasy_IV_3D_Remake/
Anon... wtf?
>>717691469
Emerald Beyond? That one's great.

>>717691881
Pick whoever you think is cool. Why is that so hard?

>>717692115
Did you equip her with a sword or a hammer?

why is OP trying to drag us into his final fantasy seething

>>717680096
Yeah, I'm playing it now(sw2), put it on hard.
Pretty smooth sailing for the first 10 hours. It is more involved then FF for sure(own them all, calm down).

>>717692115
Esper/Mutants grow stats depending on what they use, some weapons give STR, some give AGI, spellbooks give INT and so on.
They also learn random skills unique to their race, remember to not dump AGI though because that is what determines your hit chance, if your AGI is too low you won't be able to hit stuff.

>>717692224
Yeah
>>717692364
Good to know, now how do I level up my zombie bro? do I unlock stronger monster variations as I progress through the game?

>>717692862
You have to eat meat that will elevate you to another tier. Monsters are solid in the first game. Can carry you to near the end of the second game. Are kinda middling but easy to power up in Frontier.

>>717685927
>What are your favorite entries in SaGa and Final Fantasy?
ds remake of 3
ds remake of 3

>>717692862
Monsters change forms by eating other monsters' meat, once you eat meat you get a roll for changing forms.
How that works in the first game is that every monster has a specific meat rank that looks up to a table of possible monster forms, the higher this meat rank is the better the pools for monster forms are, the rule of thumb is to eat boss monsters' meat as they tend to be much higher rank than common encounters.

>>717680096
Can everyone sit in the chair
so you can see Cat's panties

>>717680725
FF1-FF2 were mediocre. Final Fantasy as we know it started with 4

>>717694428
ATBslop

>>717682964
I do really enjoy this game, but some stuff really pisses me off. I don't think the game benefits much from the magazine items and then locking those items behind crafting other gear.
Sometimes if feels like a wid goose chase just to get one party members drops.

>>717680181
ff15

>>717695435
Nobody likes that dumb tacked on MMO shit, it's just tedious busywork that adds nothing to the game

>>717676146 (OP)
Saga games don't have good stories, characters, music or anything really. That's why the franchise has always been irrelevant.

i will say that two mechanics from romancing saga do make the gameplay, for me, vastly superior to other jrpgs

>lp
having a set amount of times you can revive a character is a very good mechanic that breaks the tedium of a lot of jrpg bosses (endless revive characters against superboss)
>item slots (in the case of romancing saga 2)
having a set amount of items also means you can't rely for free on things like mega-elixers or whatever.

these two small changes make

>>717695846
I think The Last Remnant has pretty good music.

>>717695846
Story was never the focus point anyway. The games exist to emulate the tabletop experience of RPGs, none more obvious than the Unlimited Saga.

>>717695846
Lmao

>>717680096
twf I beat 3 heroes with Gerard.
:)

https://youtu.be/sXuJFs7Ag9g?si=6VQbc-ACtZ6zGySi

https://youtu.be/auWk-M8ebkQ?si=vzILltroqthMNJ9k