Thread 717682492

Let's get some advanced love /v/!

Favorite built/job race combo go!!!

if FFT2 does actually get made will it borrow the races from the GBA version

Does it hold up? I loved it as a kid but my only frame of reference is playing it when I was 10 or 11
I got a 3ds recently and put FFTA and FFTA2 on it but haven't played them yet
Playing this on the gamecube gba adapter was god tier

A reminder that Marche is the villain of the game

>>717682810
>t. ranny
>>717682640
Yes, it holds up. I think it aged a lot better than even the original FFT, but it's also way too fucking easy.

>"Wow, 0 mana cost stop on a fast unit is busted. No wonder people say the juggler is broken"
>"Wait, he does WHAT?"

>>717682492 (OP)
Assassin+Red Mage+Concentrate
Doublecast+Sleep

>>717682942
Yeah mods could fix that but modding for GBA never really took off the same way the PSX did

>>717684031
There is a mod that removes the law system so honestly there might be a difficulty mod too

>>717682942
Redditor seethe

>>717684746
dilate tranny

>>717682492 (OP)
I thought there was already a 2. huh

>>717685019
ohhhhhh, wait. nvm. you was talkin bout a sequel to the original tactics. gotcha

I haven't played this in fucking forever. I should go download an emulator

>blue mage tanking one specific monster for the whole lenght of the fight to learn one specific move

also every human goes ninja and learns to hold 2 weapons to learn moves much quicker

>>717684432
>mfw fully geared up paladin team

>literally next fight sorry can't use sword attacks

Guess I should have brought 1 mage!

>>717684860
>NPC response
How Marche apologists have fallen

>>717682492 (OP)
My favorite built was to make Marche a Fighter, learn the Double Sword ability from the Ninja job to combo with Strikeback.

>>717686342
>find yourself in another world

>first thought is to kill everything to get back home

>>717686828
Gigachads are just built different

Love this li'l nigga

>>717687440
This chick is a close second.

I dug up my original cart, my gameboy dumper, and went looking to find out why I could never get Elda’s cup.
I had completed the caravan guard mission.
I now have to restart entirely.
Is it worth it? I had been grinding automatically. I used to have or had a GameShark but it would never work. I don’t think there is any way to cheat it in.

>>717687606
It's not worth it

>>717687514
And then this guy isn't far behind. Being able to use caught monster's movesets feels amazing. Marlboro debuffs are insane.

Honestly, I love almost all of the classes in this game.

I've never played ffta2 despite this being one of my all time favorites. What am I missing out on?

>>717687440
Why couldn't lizards be gunners?!

FFTA has my favorite job system of any game ever.

>>717682492 (OP)
although the setup is ass getting a thief grinded out early on before doing too many missions so you can get Steal Ability, Steal Weapon ect is pretty fun, you never have to buy anything and you instantly learn most abilities for other classes from enemies you fight, heck you can even get some gear you can permanently miss with the thief skills.

>>717682492 (OP)
Still one of favorite games of all time, still have the physical cart i had as a kid. Do y9u all remember the commercials? Man classic

Ivalice Moogles best Moogles.
Sucks about the sprite discrepancy, but GBA resolution is a bitch.

>>717688143
But I can't miss out on the secret character. This is why I never touch FF games.

>>717687606
I was annoyed that I missed out on the Nu Mou guy back in the day. I beat the game at the 50hr mark and didn't know it had missable missions

>>717688486
Luso was in TA?

Shout out to this absolute chad, if nobody got me I know starting bangaa guy got me

>>717688262
Being a bangaa is suffering. These guys are pretty cool though

>>717682942
i just want ezel as my gay boyfriend

>>717690254
Forgot pic

It is my theory that someone visited "real" ivalice (FFTA2/FF12) at some point before FFTA and on return, created that universe's version of Final Fantasy, inspired by the world and denizens of Ivalice. Mewt says he wishes he could go into Final Fantasy, and Marche tells Montblanc after the first battle that he had seen a Bangaa before in a video game and up until FFTA Bangaas had never been seen before, suggesting that their version of Final Fantasy is different from the real life series.

A game about this mystery dude's venture into Ivalice would be cool, but I guess Isekai is sort of cliche these days

>>717682492 (OP)
Even as a child I found these games too easy. Do 1 side mission and you are overleveled for the rest of the game. Exp grind/level bloat is the bane of every single jrpg ever made.

>>717690809
Not if you just stick with basic classes,I never even knew you could class change or that weapons could give you skills till the halfway point

>fft2
>square enix ever daring to go back to ivalice
lmfao, you'll take your GoT-adjacent slop and like it

>>717682492 (OP)
FFTA is too easy, especially after coming from FFT and Tactic Ogre. I had to find a rom hack that made the game actually challenging.

>>717691521
The Totema system was too abusable in vanilla TA. Any boss encounter you just unload 2-3 of them and it's over within a couple turns.

>>717691309
They would if the tactics remastered sells well

>>717692909
sure bud, sure

>/v/ once again trying to ignore FFTA2

ADMIT IT

YOU LOVE THIS GAME

>>717693187
>incredibly detailed chocobo body and feathers and other characters
>utterly featureless beak and face
the only good thing about A2 is it's just more of yoshida's art, and that's it.

>>717693187
I like it a lot and just finished replaying it yesterday, it has a disjointed mediocre story tho.

>>717693187
No I dropped it after a couple of hours.

>>717693187
I don't remember anything from this game other than that I spent a lot of time playing it

>>717682640
>Does it hold up?
No, the law system is retarded and gay. At a certain point you are fighting against the law system more than you are the enemy team. FFTA2 is a more fun game. It's also an easier game because of the taming of the law system, but I'll take fun and easy over slightly more difficult but in a really stupid way.

>Paladin Marche with dual sword

I don't understand why Totema or Any boss for that matter respected health limits when you could easily hit for multiple damage caps in a turn at endgame.

Law system in FFTA is awful, sometimes it literally just stops you from playing altogether.

>>717693991
Your ass was not getting dual sword before the post game without excessive grinding, it takes 999 AP to master the sword is late game and you can’t get the sword till super late

>>717694224
Qrd?

I actually never had the chance to play the advanced games or DS before my GBA exploded on me

>>717694325
You don't need to master a support to use it at least, so you can start dual swording as soon as you get the dual sword sword.

>>717693729
>law system is bad
Never understood this. It forces you to use different strategies you normally wouldn't, which is cool because the game is brain dead easy and any restriction at any moment might change your course from just murdering everyone with your most effective attacks. Also racism cards are fucking funny.
>NOOO ITS ILLEGAL TO HURT HUMANS TODAY YOU GO TO JAIL!!!

>>717694414
Failing to obey the law can result in a game over or permanent stat decreases. Pretty much every time you fuck up the correct action is to just reset and start over unless you want to do a challenge run or something. There are all kinds of stupid laws like "don't do more than 30 damage in a turn." I think this is the one that made me rage quit on my most recent playthrough. Also the game has a lot of permanently missable content if you don't follow a guide. FFTA2 in contrast, has no missable content and they toned the law system down severely to the point where you can pretty much ignore it.

>>717694414
There's a cycle of laws that changes every day that make 1 type of action forbidden and 1 type of action give you some special points, if you do the no-no action once that unit gets a yellow card, do it again and they get teleported to prison. Yellow cards persist through battles unless you pay to have it cleared and clearing your record also makes you have to do jailtime on that unit for a few days. You start with one of these laws in effect during your battles but as the plot progresses it amps up to three at a time. Forbidden actions can include an entire class's magic, using a specific weapon type, or just plain using the attack command.

You do quickly get introduced to cards that negate laws though, and some areas don't have judges so you fight unabated (but those areas also have permadeath for units you don't revive by the end of the combat).

>>717693729
Boy I love building a team around something like black magic only it to be banned on the next battle

>>717694720
>hurrrr it forces you to use different strategies
I don't want to have to grind up another fucking unit and swap around jobs because the law suddenly said Bangaa and Swords aren't allowed while I'm trapped between two monster spawns and a story battle. Enough of this nonsense.

>>717694720
>which is cool because the game is brain dead easy
I would much rather that be fixed by buffing enemy stats and AI. Also if the best strategies are all braindead "use big damage attack = win" then balance the game so that isn't the case. Buff status effects, nerf the big damage attacks, etc.

>>717694884
You either grind or plan ahead by making a more versatile team. The law system isn't inherently bad, though I think a lot of the specific clauses are bad or too ambiguous. Fucking copycat always sent me to jail. Fuck copycat.

Can someone tell me if I'm being a schizo or not, but when I played this game when it released, I think I remember that during the after-game, when you can get all the neat hero characters, there was one mission where it was revealed that Li-Grim was actually sucking the life force of the kids/people trapped because of the book and stuff, making Marche completely justified in wanting to end the dream world.
Was that right, or am I just hallucinating everything?

>>717694871
>>717694884
>>717695070
The real answer is to just buy and trade for as many generic antilaw cards as you can so you're prepared for any bullshit.

>>717695093
I recall something like that too. The game actually has pretty extensive post game content, but it's a fucking chore to unlock it all. I also remember fighting judges with Cid and then unlocking Cid as a playable unit.

If I like tactics-styled games, what're some titles I should look into that aren't well-known ones like Fire Emblem?

>>717694871
>building your entire team around a single job
and that's precisely what the laws are designed to do, to force you to diversify your team. That's the entire purpose of all class-based game design, for the different classes to operate differently but all work together, compliment each others strengths and make up for each other's weaknesses. congrats on outing yourself as a retard who can't comprehend basic strategy.
>hurr durr I'm just gonna ignore the entire point of this game's combat design and just run one job

>>717695093
Shouldn't that bullshit be revealed in the main story instead of the post game so it doesn't look like you're playing as a huge jackass genociding an entire world?

>>717695251
>FE
>not well-known

>>717695093
There's a post-game mission with Remedi's ghost but that kind of thing isn't implied in it, Li-Grim is simply a manifestation of Ivalice's dreams and desires, it's the anti-Undertale.

>>717694720
No the really absurd issues is all weapons skills being tied to weapons instead of class

>>717695251
Devil Survivor, Disgaea, Tactics Ogre.

>>717695234
yeah you could get pretty much any named character as a party member during the after game, I'm glad I didn't schizo out, I guess Marche really wasn't the bad guy if they were all going do die living in that world

>>717695375
that's why I was baffled, but if more anons say they remember it I guess it was actually real

>>717695415
I think it was a post mission very far into the after game, I might have to replay the game after all these years

>>717695375
IF that's true then Marche is still a jackass because he wanted to destroy that world without knowing they were slowly dying in it, he learns about that after the game ends. Tho the aftergame is kinda weird, because it's played like a canonical continuation, but the end of the game has the world of Ivalice destroyed, so maybe an alternative universe?

>>717682492 (OP)
fft2 having a re-emergence of the long gone races would be neat

>>717694325
>>717694487
Also its really only 500 AP since you learn it at double speed by holding 2 of the dual wield sword.

>>717683030
*Turns a potion upside down on your head*
Nothing personel

>>717695382
Pretty sure he's saying he doesn't want recommendations like well known ones like fire emblem.

>>717695093
No that is not real that is a made up thing anons invented for some reason

>>717695251
hoshigami ruining blue earth

>>717682492 (OP)
>Favorite built/job race combo
I got a few:

>Templar with Dragoon secondary
Give him a black robe and breathe fire/ice/lightning on everything. Absurdly strong with no MP cost. Can Haste himself at the start of a battle as a bonus.

>Assassin with Archer secondary
People always go Sniper for some reason. I assume for Conseal but why bother wasting turns sneaking around? Give her a bow and cripple things from afar, then OHKO when enemies get close. Charm, blind and disable are crazy powerful with near perfect accuracy thanks to Concentrate. Or take that one turn you'd use Conceal and use Boost instead. Then use Ultima from 7 squares away. Highly recommend.

>Illusionist with White Mage secondary
Just hides in the back and either heals or hits. Give it a black robe and princess rod to boost the power of every Illusionist spell that does elemental damage. Add Magic Pow+ or Turbo MP and you're dealing solid damage to every enemy on the map. Nu Mou for best results.

I've played this game time and time again and have tried so many job combos but these three have always found a place on my teams. Very useful.

>>717695812
Turbo MP Illusionist. You're already dead, your friends too.

>>717695251
Play Horizon's Gate & Kingsvein. Rad Codex makes the best FFT-style tactics games. Extremely underrated.

>>717695251
Der Langrisser for SNES and the translated Langrisser IV for PS1 if you want a halfway point between tactics and advance wars, your named guys all get clusters of mook units that rely on staying within your command aura for stat bonuses or they're easy pickings.

Tactics Ogre Knight of Lodis for GBA for something more traditional.

>>717696536
Such an OP class.

>>717695251
oh also bahamut lagoon

I tried playing FFTA a very long time ago but those judges were anti-fun for me so I dropped it pretty quickly.

>>717697393
They basically just made calculators again but this time they said fuck it let's make it even more braindead and just autotarget the entire enemy team instead of dealing with the awkward calculation part. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>717689486
No go

>>717693187
The main story of A2 sucks.
The Duelhorn subplot would have been a better main quest.
Fremilda was a cool side story
Adelle's unique job sidequest was alsp really cool.

>>717696247
>People always go Sniper for some reason.
Assassin/Archer is a stronger final build, but you're better off leveling them as Sniper for the extra attack. Its a pretty marginal increase in an already easy game though.

>>717682492 (OP)
is there anything stronger than dual wielding ninja just spamming attack?

>>717693187
I played the shit out of it when it came out, but it was so unremarkable that I can't remember anything specific about it: story, characters, music, what have you. Even the battle system I can't remember anything new it added except some giant enemies who took up 2x2 grids you could attack from multiple squares. The crafting and resource system was a tedious addition, an unfortunate concession to modern design trends.
The only exception is Adelle, she is a qt3.14

>>717699515
Dual wielding Paladin spamming attack
Ninja has shit growths

>>717700463
I think you have that backwards, speed is the god stat

>>717701373
Speed is the strongest stat until you hit specific breakpoints then its useless. If you really want to be optimal you get however many levels in thief/ninja and then the rest in a high attack class.

Killing Montblanc in a Jagd anyone else?

>>717690352
I hate that I can instantly recognize this artist after all these years.

>>717694224
>about to engage in a battle with unfavorable laws
>simply move around the map a bit to get better laws
>or simply use an anti-law card that the game hands out like candy
>or hit up Ezel and trade for more effective anti-law cards
Must be difficult having room temperature IQ.

>>717702646
No that's dumb, Montblanc is awesome. Black Mage+Time Mage is a sick combo. Give him a black robe so he doesn't need to use Geomancy and use Concentrate instead. Now his Stop is 70% accurate when attacking enemies face-to-face and all his elemental attacks are juiced up.

A nu mou may deal more damage with this combo but is going to be missing much more. This type of unit is likely going to be casting at opponents head on from behind teammates so moogles are better than you might think.

Montblanc rules.

>>717703298
This game is one of the few times diversity is actually a strength. I suspect people who adamantly hate this game because of the law system just used the same small party over and over again. Or never learned how to manipulate the laws in their favor. It's really easy. Adding new laws can completely fuck over an entire enemy team. There are a few missions I always save a Forbidden:Missile card for that just shuts down all the opponents.

>>717702646
Only a retard kills off Montblanc. Moogles in Tactics are overpowered and having a team of them is the sole way to play.

>>717702646
>killing off cute characters

>>717696247
Huh no solider or human paladin anon?

I heard lizards make cool warriors but I've never tried em

>>717703951
Yeah but Montblanc doesn't update his portrait to any of the cool ones so he's better off dead and replaced with a generic Moogle

>>717682492 (OP)
Ninja paladin obviously. Paladin for stats and heavy armor and equip two swords via talent. Swords go brrr.
Ffta2 is the best srpg gameplay wise for me.

>>717704452
My 2 favorite for humans:

>Paladin with Fighter secondary
Pretty generic, but very good. My usual Marche build: Excaliber2, Peytral, Sacri Shield, Dash Boots and a Ruby Earring. I prefer Weapon Atk+ over Double Sword as it allows him to use the shield, which gives him near-Ribbon status immunity. Absolute tank of a unit.

>Blue Mage with Hunter secondary
Slays monsters and steals their moves. Not the most powerful unit every battle but has a strong niche and has some of the most handy spells around. Make sure you either steal a Tulwar or arrange the map correctly to get one. It'a a very rare saber and very strong.

>>717691521
>Tactic Ogre
How to beat potd? It's so mind numbing. After potd I have to beat the hanging gardens again and then go to potd again and then do coda. That's like 30 hours, maybe more.

>>717693187
See>>717705146

Why doesn't kh have a srpg? Would fit the universe.
Shouldn't a game like to or fft(a) be easy to develop? I know of the mercaneries series, but they recycle everything. It's literally the same items, classes, people. The devs recycle more than the trails guys.

>>717693187
The best looking Final Fantasy Tactics Game with the best gameplay and the most fun.
The story was okay, I kind of liked it but I admit its not le deep grimdark fantasy about le politics that retarded boomers love

>>717705450
Are you a boomer?

Bump

>>717688262
Woah! Watch it with the slurs!

>>717703951
Montblanc is pretty objectively bad, in FFTA your base class makes up a big percentage of your stats and black mage has the worst stats for most Moogle classes

>>717690568
I like to think that after TA2 ended Luso invited Mr. Randell to Ivalice to show him around, and once there Mewt just summoned the Gran Grimoire and transformed into his unique prince class, at max level, challenging Clan Gully to a friendly battle so Luso can show off what he's learned.

>>717682492 (OP)
maybe some modder will remake these when FFT comes to PC

>>717693303
>the only good thing about A2 is it's just more of yoshida's art, and that's it.
I don't know why but I still prefer TA artstyle over A2. Something about A2 its just a bit off, like a tad too cartoonish or something.

Tactics ogre reborn is terribly boring. So there is nothing I look forward to in FF tactics

>DMG:2 Animal
great game design

>>717712549
I think this is my first time seeing the full version of these. The body proportions on the one on the right look weird as fuck and just wrong and not how I would have imagined. Like it was drawn by someone who has never seen an actual human before. Proportions on the left look way more reasonable.

>>717712914
FFT proportions are all weird desu

>>717693187
Ah its that over designed kid
I played for an hour or so
Game seemed well made but i didn't like the vibe

>>717713081
best chocobo though

I want a bangaa gf

>>717712906
>use charm so these animals hurt each other
>petrify doesn't counts as harm so it doesn't breaks the law, so you can petrify them all and win
>the roulette if you're out of options, doesn't breaks the law either
>doom kills the target in 3 turns without hurting it, so it doesn't breaks the law
>if none of the above, just use a blue mage to suicide blow up next to an animal, the judge won't red card a dead unit, then revive the blue mage and repeat the suicide blow up next to another animal
This game is great if you're clever, it punishes brainlets heavily tho.

I'm 99% certain this game awoke the inner furry in kids. There's something for every taste pretty much
>Moogles
>Nu Mou
>Viera
>Bangaa
>Seeq

>>717713081
I think they are all exaggerated and stylized in some way, but not all stylization is created equal. I think you need to at least stick to something where it looks like it could be a functional off-shoot/evolution of the human form instead of some kind of deleterious mutation. Like your pic-related is bad because those feet don't look functional, this thing looks like it would have great difficulty just walking.

>>717688205
>Honestly, I love almost all of the classes in this game.
i want ffta but challenging

and no, not some obscure romhack

>>717713597
No, I think that's just you.

>>717712914
You ain't seen nothing yet, check this one

doroboneko stole my wallet

>>717693187
i wanted to love it. but it was much worse than FFTA.

>>717713441
What does yellow cards do again?

>>717697994
>literal cuck game

>>717713882
A fine, like either money, an item, or exp during that match. And like in football, if you get two yellow cards in the same match, you're out, the unit get sent to jail.

posting the real hero

>>717713441
ye i just petrified them because assassins are a fair, balanced class that i always had 3 of in my party
i just don't like the law system in general, it's just anti-player BS that the AI doesn't care about. every story fight just gives the main enemy immunity to laws, i hate mechanics that exist purely to punish the player.
>use a blue mage to suicide blow up next to an animal, the judge won't red card a dead unit, then revive the blue mage and repeat the suicide
OK dat is clever. i was too dumb to use blue mages, beastmasters, morphers and hunters as a kid though. also some moves are missable because older Final Fantasy had a "LOL FUCK YOU" design philosophy

>>717682492 (OP)
what a kupo thread

>>717682492 (OP)
I think judges SUCK

>>717714240
you're gonna make mewt cry

what they've done to my boy...

>>717714401
lad seems to be doing alright

>>717682492 (OP)
i'm using a Viera White Mage with the Double MP skill, it sure is a lot of fun using the worst MP scaling race as my primary healer

>>717695093
What I heard (and been parroting ever since) is that it was a retcon added to the radio drama, but I think it was debunked?

>>717713938
stop self-inserting

I'll always be sad that Dissidia NT killed the series and deprived me of the far-fetched possibility of Marche getting in as a playable character. His story mode would be him forcing every other character back to their world, whether they want to or not.

>>717714916
Game is too easy for it to matter, SEXO bnuuy team is superior

>>717714240
Like other anons have said just get the right antilaw cards

>>717713597
>Mou

Were they supposed to be dragons with no wings?

>>717713597
Who in the fuck would get turned on by Seeqs?

>>717696536
>sharks

I don't remember them in the original psx version?

>>717718216
furry barafags, one of god's many mistakes

>>717718583
Ok, but they have Bangaas and Nu Mous for muscular and fat respectively.
But upon thinking about it, Seeqs are pretty much Moblins but fatter, so I shouldn't be surprised that people with abysmally shit taste exist.

>>717716602
... i do admit i have 3 or 4 out of 6 team members as Vieras
in my defense, Fencer and Red Mage are just too good to pass on

>>717718881
Literally how I always end up recruiting humans or moogles,the others are like unicorns that you only ever heard about other players having,they should have just had the old make your own units like the 1st game

>>717714401
He's dead Jim!

>>717693303
Most of the drawn art for TA2 was by Ryoma Ito.