Thread 717693626

Completely true.
If you didn't beat it how the devs intended then you didn't beat the game.

A retro gamer clash between these two would be legendary.

>>717693778
retro games are easy compared to kirby dark souls to be fair

I beat it with rewinds.

>>717693626 (OP)
>>717693626 (OP)
>>717693626 (OP)
Except I did beat Zelda 2

That game is absolutely bullshit without it.

>>717693626 (OP)
I couldn't care less.

>>717693778
What does he mean support was low?
Like not enough viewers?

>>717693626 (OP)
i watched a vod; i did beat it

>>717693626 (OP)
I'd go a step further and say if you didn't 1cc it on the hardest difficulty you certainly didn't "beat" the game.

>>717694406
Donations more likely.
He's not stuck for money, he just wants to buy something and is spuring more donations to get it.

>>717694350
Cared enough to post tho

>>717693626 (OP)
Who gives a fuck

>>717693626 (OP)
Unironicly how would you even win an argument against mike when he at any time could bring up his 25cm cock
there is no argument more powerful than that

>>717695048
You bring out a sword (only works in person).

>>717693626 (OP)
i see credits? i beat game

>>717695402
>Look up credits on youtube
>Somehow that means you beat the game

>>717693626 (OP)
Those games usually give you infinite continues though.
Ooh sorry I replayed from the boss fight instead of the filler stage I already beat oooooh

>>717694912
>NOOOO!!! YOU BEAT THE BOSS WITH HELP!!! YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT EVEN THOUGH ITS A CORE MECHANIC OF THE GAME!!!!

>>717693626 (OP)
>If you didn't beat it how the devs intended then you didn't beat the game.
This also applies to playing any difficulty setting other than normal, or changing any gameplay, graphics, audio, or control options from their defaults.

>>717693626 (OP)
But who cares

>>717693626 (OP)
NOOO NOT MY IMAGINARY INTERNET POINTS...

>>717693626 (OP)
I beat the game. I don't care what some faggot thinks.

I only use the save functions programmed in the actual game.
I don't care if others use savestates or rewinds.
And I think you're a bitch if you do care.

>>717696558
>imagine you beat the boss

I've beaten all of Classic Mega Man with and without rewinds. There's nothing wrong with them. Practicing tricky jumps with rewind is a lot better than having to spend 2 minutes navigating back from the checkpoint just to try again.

i dont use rewind but i understand it. theres a lot more games to play these days and older gamers have lives and jobs so fuck it.

>>717694912
Savescummer cope, those things aren't the same.

>>717693626 (OP)
>2019
Ragebait engagement farming thread, reply only if brown.

>>717693626 (OP)
Not only did you not beat the game. You didn't even play the game.
If you use rewind the game plays you.

>>717695721
You just described using save states. You don't know the difference between save states and rewind?

>>717696558
You didn't though. And you know that is the truth. Otherwise you wouldn't have made that post. So good job telling on your self.

>>717697608
You could just you savestates instead of being played by the game.

>>717693626 (OP)
>Mike's face when he hears someone used rewind feature to ''''beat''' a NES game

i'll use rewinds on a replay if there's a particularly horseshit part of the game, and i'll use savestates at save points so i can jump back in without going through the menus. yeah, im based.

>>717698037
Streamers that use REWIND deserve the rope.

>>717698302
Wrong. I posted because I like the discourse and I'm addicted to (you)s, doesn't mean I care what some faggot thinks :)

>>717693626 (OP)
ok

>>717693626 (OP)
>some random retard said a thing
Awesome-sauce, dude!

>>717694406
He means he didn't reach his tip goal this stream. I think it's at $100, maybe he bumped it in the few years I haven't watched him. He streams twice a day and the tip goal resets, so "low support" means "I didn't get my bi-daily $100"

>>717698037
Are you even playing the game at this point? Might as well have a god mode cheat

>>717693626 (OP)
Yes the game beat you if you had to cheat to win

>>717699002
His minimum is now $150 per stream but he counts "all types of support". But even if he hits a goal he keeps begging for more, it's a black hole.

>>717694406
You should immerse yourself in Darksydephil lore if you're on /v/, it's board culture
Basically this guy is the progenitor eBeggar

To his credit he has a 10 inch cock so maybe we should listen to him.

>>717698037
Save scumming is not fun, it is used when you just want to see what the game is about.
If you truly enjoy it, you will not use that shit.

The issue is that when we are talking around 100+ games, you have to save time somewhere.

>>717698037
GUYS I LOVE VIDEOGAMES !!!!! METROID .... YEAH I PLAYED IT , IT WAS REALLY GOOD , I LIKE IT, SAMUS ITS SO ICONIC, DONT YOU AGREE CHAT ? IM LIKE YOUUUUUU CHAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717698223
No one man should have all that power

>>717693626 (OP)
Old NES and SNES games were often modeled around Arcade games. Games which were never designed to be beaten, but to milk quarters out of kids by ramping up difficulty over time and charging you to respawn. You can identify them by them by the meaningless Score value on screen somewhere. That's for Arcade style "high scores". Serves no purpose in a game you actually own.

>>717698037
She deserves to get punched in the face fucking repeatedly for those obnoxious faces and eye-rolling she does

>>717693626 (OP)
Savesates at the game's natural check points are the only ethical cheats you can use in emulators.

>>717696192
The same people who seethed and pooped their pants over cheat codes back when games used to have those.
>use iddqd/idkfa in doom as a kid
>NOOOO YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME, STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>"no"
>beat the game without cheats later on
>it was still fun so nothing was ruined

>>717701804
>having infinite tries
umm sweetie, you didn't have fun the right way

>>717702976
>He started a new game after a game over instead of immediately destroying his cartridge.
Didn’t beat it. You had infinite tries.

>>717698037
Absolutely disgusting

I agree, but it literally doesn't matter, those games are like 30 years old by now, there is nothing left to prove

>>717693626 (OP)
>you didn't beat the game because instead of spending five plus minutes getting back to where you were before you died, you spent five seconds rewinding

>>717706120
Yes.

>>717699304
Using a god mode cheat would be better than using rewind.
And no, I don't believe you are playing the game at that point. The game is clearly playing her or whoever that streamer is.

>>717706327
It's effectively the same experience with less tedium. I'd understand if he said "god mode cheats" or whatever but rewind is just removing needless time spent going back to where you were 90% of the time.

>>717693626 (OP)
how can anyone respect the opinion of a faggot whose best friends are a balding old fart who went to special needs school and a fat tranny?

>>717706407
>It's effectively the same experience
Wrong. Keep coping

>>717700459
>Fuck you, Pat.

>>717693626 (OP)
Ok

>>717702853
It's not the same at all. The devs put in those cheatcodes. And if you used a game genie you did the work your self to play the game in that manor.
When a game has REWIND built into it as a feature it completely ruins the game and the experience for not only the player but for anyone else in the room with them
EXAMPLE: >>717698037

>>717706120
You could do the same thing using a save state and not be a giant tard that can't play games like human being, but like an AI in training.
Have you ever watched AI train on a video game? It looks exactly like watching someone use rewind over and over again.

>>717706482
Explain how I'm wrong.
>>717706756
>You could do the same thing using a save state
Rewinds are effectively just save states so I don't know why you're even bringing this up.

>play shadow hearts
>use savestates to get the best possible result on every roulette
i did not beat the game because i rage quit eventually over money problems like i do in every jrpg

I completely agree with him.
Won't stop me from savescumming if the game has built in quicksaves.

>>717706863
>Rewinds are effectively just save states
WRONG
A save state requires the player to consciously make the effort to create.
Save States are deliberate. REWIND is not.

I beat Shatterhand on my NES today on one life. Please be impressed.

>>717706986
Was that before Hamill completely lost his mind?
Also if you haven't watched him in Brigsby Bear I guess you should. It's a weird film, but it's nice to see him in a low budget movie that's not actual shit.

>>717707379
The result is the same. You're going back in time to a previous game state. Rewinding only makes things more streamlined.

>>717701154
This post is very wrong.
NES and SNES games had endings. Which was mostly a new concept with the NES, but was the standard. Very few NES games don't have endings.
So your post gets nope.

>>717698037
how on earth did she stumble her way to the end of the game?

>>717707851
>The result is the same.
The intent isn't. And that's what matters. One requires deliberate intent. And the other requires nothing but mindless button mashing.
If that's all you want to do. Then that's fine, but please don't do that in front of other people. It's inappropriate.

>>717707851

rewind would be like creating savestates every 2 seconds. Do you not see how retarded that sounds? Well you think its the same so you have something wrong with you in the first place. The argument here is that both these methods ruin the experience of playing a game with a win and lose state and that rewind is even worse. But you seem to actually like both of them, so you're not even wrong, you're just beyond retarded.

>>717708000
>The intent isn't.
It effectively is. The single iota of effort pressing the save state button before a tricky section of a game doesn't really make a difference. You're still going back before it happened, you're still not playing the game by its own rules. If you're against rewinds, you have no reason to not be against save states as well.

>>717708117
>rewind would be like creating savestates every 2 seconds.
So? Some people do that. That changes nothing, especially when you're not always using the rewinds nor the save states when they're made.
>The argument here is that both these methods ruin the experience of playing a game with a win and lose state
I don't agree that they ruin the experience because it's just losing out on tedium most of the time but yes, they both do the same thing, so if you're against one you should be against the other.

>>717693626 (OP)
Nintendo made those games though and they implemented rewind, so they intended for you to use it.

>>717708157
So you're like a mindless rewind feature advocate?
Congrats on making retro gaming worse for people like you I guess.

>>717693626 (OP)
Grifter?

>>717694912
>What? you used easy way to win tha was given to you in this poorly balanced game? That's wrong you should be playing melee only, no summons, no online, no buffs, no weapon art, no armor and no overleveling.

~said the avarage fromfag

>>717693626 (OP)
You can suck my dick if you think I give a shit what some retards on twitter think about anything.

>>717708441
Nintendo didn't make hardly any of those games. And the one's that "they" did, the people that actually made those games didn't rerelease them.
How are you people so dumb that you think corporations make video games?
Videogames are made by developers. And developers are people with finite time to make their craft.
You should be embarrassed for how dumb and contrarian you sound.

>>717708891
Streamer.

>>717708441
>they implemented rewind, so they intended for you to use it
No. Not a single person that made those games implemented rewind or intended for you to use it.

This is a big reason why I'm not going to get a Switch 2. I don't like Nintendo's business strategy. I don't like how Nintendo handles their legacy IP's. And I don't like a single new game they've released.
Nintendo is very clear that they want a babified mindless audience that cheers and claps for what ever shit they squeeze out and ask $80 for. No thanks. This shit is for retards.

I would not let my kid use this rewind shit

A reminder that this potential kid diddler was filtered by DKC3 of all things.

>>717698037
>That utterly annoyed eyeroll
She hates every second of it, but she cannot stop until she has "earned" the right to say "yeah I've beaten that game! I am a gamer too!"
If she didn't have that rewind, she wouldn't even have made it past the first level before giving up.

>>717706616
>When a game has REWIND built into it as a feature it completely ruins the game and the experience
How does that affect me?

>>717694912
why would the devs care if you use that stuff? really stupid post.

>>717695402
not how it works speedtranny, when you do that exploit that lets you ignore your survival instinct and off yourself and get to the life blackscreen you don't actually "win".

>>717708441
exactly 0 of the original devs worked on the NSO emulator. "Nintendo" is not one person.

>>717710979
Well it wouldn't effect anyone zombified on antidepressants so you might immune.

Save states are meant to save your progress. Not cheat. However, I see no issue using them to practice a stage if the game has no practice mode. You need to 1cc to "beat" the game though. Otherwise you just played it. You didn't win, clear or beat it. It really is that simple.

>>717709748
I beat this when I was 5.

>>717693626 (OP)
I don't care how people beat a game, but they should be aware that their opinions are inherently less valuable than those who beat it as intended. Games are a full experience media, and by not engaging with the standard rules you forfeit a piece of engagement, similarly as to a deaf person reviewing a movie. They can, and should, stand by their opinions but note the discrepancy. By failing to do so, they lack credibility.

>>717698037
>If you use rewind the game plays you.
Such a succinct way to describe what rewind does. Very well phrased.

Just replace the rewind system with frequent preset autosave/continue spots. No need to run around for five minutes to get back to a boss fight, but no reversing every single mistake you make at will either. If you really want a rewind system make it have finite uses you have to replenish, like continues, or restrict when it can be activated in other ways.

>>717708441
Lucasfilm made Star Wars so Disney wouldn't be compromising the original vision for the movies if they edited in cartoon sound effects, pride flags, and Disney+ ads.

>>717693626 (OP)
He's right on this
Everything else is a cope

>>717708908
>this game is poorly balanced?
>obviously that means that everything in it is perfect and there are no wrong ways to fight a boss
>summoning someone else to one-shot the boss with Comet Azur before it can attack is still beating it because you had fun!!!
To make my point more directly, Elden Ring's balancing issues go both ways and there's a reason people get shamed for using some of its more infamous easy modes instead of engaging with the things they're fighting. There are easier and harder ways to earn a victory, but some of them don't really count as earning one at all.

>>717714021
What sticks out to me is that people will shout from the rooftops that all ways of beating a game are equally valid and the best way to win is the one that's most fun for you, then they'll claim that anyone who says otherwise is just an elitist who wants to prove they're a true gamer.
Nigga, you are the ones desperate for approval here. If you weren't insecure about proving you really beat the game, you wouldn't care what they think, and you definitely wouldn't be taking your time to give prepared speeches on how toxic it is to claim winning on Super Extra Easy with cheat engine is an identical accomplishment to winning on Very Hard.
I don't personally get upset if a person has a hard time on their first playthrough due to inexperience and uses a strong weapon because their skill can't bridge the gap yet. What bugs me is seeing people run around shaming an entire playerbase and misrepresenting their points just to cover up the fact that said people wanted to prove they were part of the club and are now crying about how someone called them out on not really having the merit they're trying to claim.
>b-but the devs included it
Yeah, to make the game easier and get a wider audience. You aren't going to be seen the same way as those who've been in the club for a while if you only joined when the membership requirements changed. You can accept it and be a newfag like we all used to be, or you can demand full recognition for free and prove you really don't belong.

>>717701154
NES and SNES games were modeled around the console format, secrets, high scores and different endings were meant to incentivize multiple playthroughs, battery saves, passwords, continues that didn't start you all the way at the beginning, mastery and sharing what you found with friends.

High scores do serve a purpose, you're supposed to share and play the game with friends and family and compete with them for higher scores, Legend of Zelda was a labyrinth of bombable walls and secrets and Mario had random 1-ups, secret warp rooms and the hidden vine to the sky level because you were supposed to find that and share what you found with your friends.

The arcades of the past disencitivized stuff like that because they wanted you to pay more, the nes and SNES era was where they could take advantage of what the arcades weren't doing

>>717700459
>sloppa
>accusing others of taking shortcuts

>>717693626 (OP)
I agree, but simultaneously I do not care. Just play the video game in whatever way allows you extract the most fun out of it.

>>717693626 (OP)
He's right, but did he really need to use profanity?

>>717693626 (OP)
If I start the game and play it through to end credits. I beat it and there's nothing you can do about it

>>717693778
Is he still begging 12 year olds for rent money?

I used rewind in games like Metroid when I ended up going in a room I couldn't pass through for lack of an item, like the one in Super with the light bugs that needs the grapple beam.

>>717701154
Actually. third gen console games were often made to be HARDER than arcades (check the all the bullshit they pulled when porting Ghost and Goblins and every possible spaceship game ever, for example). This is because arcades make constant passive income, but consoles get money by game sales while also accounting selling the console at loss, and it was way harder to convince kids without disposable income to somehow pay 60$ on games when rental stores existed. So they created games that needed manuals, guides and multiple weeks of trial and error to be mastered and completed on a single weekend of rental time
A common complaint people had with the genesis for example was that it's games were too short, as they often tried to be direct ports of arcade classics with infinite lifes, so they spiced up the difficulty and brought back continues in future titles

Sorry but I played Link to the past this past week and had to use it for the ice and ganon's castle dark world dungeons.
The runbacks are actually insane.

>>717693626 (OP)
The only exception is glitches.

>>717695402
not so fast

I'll use save states in place of in-game save points, since it makes reloading a lot faster, but this rewinding shit is gay as fuck

>>717721697
This is the right answer. If a game has infinite continues (Mega Man series), no real reason NOT to use it if you don't want to go through the bullshit of a death course again just for another shot at a boss.

>>717693626 (OP)
>Twitter screencap
>Retweet if you agree
>December 2019

im honestly just happy if people are playing older, better games for free instead for paying for all the new bullshit

>>717693626 (OP)
https://youtu.be/xSXofLK5hFQ?t=48

>>717693626 (OP)
Then you admit speed runners never beat the game.

>>717700582
Save scumming is fine if it's designed to be played that way. Classic Doom, for example.
I always save before entering a new room and reload from before I entered the room if I die in there.

>>717701154
Did you confuse atari and collecovision with nes and snes?

>>717694406
He didn't receive enough donations to funnel towards his crippling WWE gacha addiction.

>>717707851
I use savestates, but would never touch rewinds and anyone who uses rewinds is a faggot.

>>717712815
You have to "1CC" games that allow you to continue in the first place?

>>717694652
I'd go a step further and say if you didn't tie your hands behind your back and reach the credits playing only with your toes after taking a dozen sleeping pills two hours prior, you didn't actually "beat" the game.

>>717718256
Yes, he does not want an audience that cares about profanity. He's made that very clear.

>>717721697
This. That's exactly what I do. If you're taking back every single event that happens with rewind like the obnoxious whore in the OP, you're not even playing the game by any stretch of the imagination.

>>717723203
Most speedrunners beat their games legit before optimizing runs, so it's not really the same.

>>717723907
well, in the case of shmups you don't get an actual ending unless you 1cc, so yes i think in that case it can be considered not beating it if you just use continues

>>717721697
Same. I will still feel bad if I use a save state in something like Mega Man. I don't want to use save states, but I will if I get frustrated. It's not like I'm trying to be an online personality connected to how many games I've beaten. Mike is different. He has a blog for the games he's beaten on stream and the games he's beaten with his famous personal rulesets that ramp up the difficulty far beyond what the devs ever intended.

>>717693626 (OP)
>If you didn't beat it how the devs intended
but anon... the devs put the rewind feature in the game

>>717722404
>it ain't even got no point to the game
still makes me laugh every time

>>717724401
Anon, no they didn't. You're as dumb as a box of rocks.

>>717694896
midwit

>>717701379
>>717707941
>>717710621
>she

>>717722404
>ya aint ever gonna run out of the...go back in time..potion