Thread 717766302

Why can't vidya games put as much thought into their villains as Araki does?

>>717766302 (OP)
Cause most people can’t be blessed with writing skills AND being a game developer.

Pic unrelated, right? The only cool villains Araki have designed are Pucci and Diavolo.

Dio is super retarded I shouldn't even need to explain this.

Kira keeps sabotaging himself. He could achieve his object by just packing up and leaving the city, but instead he autistically insists in staying in the city, to the point he is ok with trying to impersonate some random guy in his family circle.

Kars is too much of a tryhard with underhanded tactics for someone who thinks he is a supreme fighter. He would have succeeded if he didn't fight like a cockroach.

is there literally anything creative in this manga? i don't really follow it but whenever i see bits and snippets from it or people reference it, it's always just a reference to something else, some band, some superhero, some other old show or comic, the most interesting thing is the art itself and even then, yeah it's impressive and neat but not revolutionary, which i'm not saying it has to be, but at least SOMETHING in this has to be its own thing right? and nothing is

>>717766638
I think you might be gay

>>717766302 (OP)
Calamity

>>717766748
Everything about it is unique though. The only thing these references do is give titles to peoples abilities, Nick names ect. What’s cooler? A shadow monster that can follow you in shade and appear out of darkness and drag you into it named Black Sabbath or “Shadow mirage stalker!” It’s just fun stuff like that

>>717766748
yes, JJBA is deeply idiosyncratic, which translates to creativity despite how often Araki loves to reference other material.

>>717766748
You're caught up on the fact that the names of the stands are references to something else and ignoring everything else about the manga. Yes it is extremely unique. Everyone has extremely specific abilities like "can see 10 seconds into the future but there is no way to change the future you saw, it's set in stone", "whoevers touches this specific surface you targeted becomes magnetic and attracts metal objects towards themselves", "the last object you touched becomes a bomb and if that object touches another object the bomb status is transferred to that later object, you can detonate it anytime you want" and so on
It's extremely unique. There is no other battle shounen like it. Seriously I've tried looking for something like this for 5+ years and came up with nothing. People will say HxH is like it but it's not.
A personal favorite fight that showcases Jojo at its peak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5O__0deGis&list=PLmYcDNC4Z2ZeNcblo7JcMp6iGx8PExRXj&index=3

>>717767083
it is interesting to watch this while having in mind the context that this "boss" he is talking to his himself, he is a schizo

>>717767169
technically, he does in fact have two personalities with two different souls. see the last part.

>>717766638
Kira is very clearly not willing to compromise on anything. He wants his "quiet" life in Morioh and would rather fight to the death to get it than give up and leave. It isn't exactly a new phenomenon for people to be willing to fight and die for the place they live rather than pack up and leave in the face of danger.

I mean I don't think you can call Araki's villains well-thought out after the shitshow that was Tooru

>>717767471
What is the point of fighting to live in the city? He has never shown appreciation for anything there.

He went to the point of abandoning his entire personal life, his friends, his job, his body, to steal these of another guy, all to stay in the city and refuse moving. But there is not one single scene/panel where he demonstrates that he even likes that city.

>>717767572
kira is a crazy sperg/autist, the entire point is that he's a low-key villain with a powerful obsession

why did kira get some weird time loop shit instead of requiem when he got arrowed the second time

>>717767083
or my favorite one
>my stand hides inside your eyes and if you pronounce my name loudly, or if anyone finds my identity through any of your actions or in any indirect way through yourself, I pop from your eyeballs and kill whoever learned it, then time rewinds 1 hour, but that person will still die at the same moment I killed them even if you never contact them in this new timeline

>>717767741
Araki hadn't thought of Requiem back then. Getting arrowed would just give you more powers.
How exactly did Dio never find this out despite having an arrow and testing it on people, we'll never know.

>>717766302 (OP)
Not videogames
Also you've already made this thread >>>/a/281343718
Also you're still retarded because most JoJo villains are plain trope villains with zero depth (or AWFUL writing like rockfags and WoU).

>>717767596
P8 was so ass god damn

>>717766748
Being skilled at both visual art and writing is not possible, because there's only 24h in a given day and Araki would have to spend that time either learning from visual artists or writers.

>>717767572
>But there is not one single scene/panel where he demonstrates that he even likes that city.
It's not about Morioh specifically, he's just refusing to back down. Morioh is where he lives and he won't run away, just waiting for somebody to find him.

>>717766638
>packing up and leaving the city
Stand users attract each other, even if he moved he would cross path with others sooner or later

>>717767083
HOLY CRAP, I've had zero contact with Jojo material and just finished watching that fight, shit was so intense. Is that pink haired guy a protagonist? What is his season? I need to watch this, absolutely 10/10

>>717766638
Kira's flaw is his cockiness and arrogance as a result of his narcissism/sociopathy. He says to himself he wants to avoid all possible confrontations but jumps at the chance to toy with Koichi and belittle him because he dared to get the better oh him. It's textbook stuff.

>Dio is super retarded I shouldn't even need to explain this
Explain.

You also deliberately haven't mentioned Valentine, by far Araki's best villain.

>>717767972
And that is why he is a retarded villain who self-imposes an unrealistic condition.

Diavolo is leagues better. He has kinda the same objective as Kira except he is smart about it. He even defeated Requiem Giorno (beat him in a 1v1 according to his vision), but of course he couldn't overcome the hax that nullifies his victory.

>>717767971
araki writes as he goes, that's just how mangas are done. his actual short stories are usually well plotted.

>>717768115
Pink haired guy is the main villain of Part 5.
He has a schizo split personality disorder and people even after 25+ years still don't understand how does his stand (power) work

>>717768158
>Explain Dio
It's just a lame villain. Would be a minor villain in any other manga. He has no reason for doing anything he does, dude is evil for the sake of being evil. His actions are justified in the fact that he is the strongest and therefore should conquer the world, except he is not the strongest. It is insane that part 3 was released after part 2, where we learn about beings that would absorb Dio just by touching him, which clearly makes him not the strongest.

And he doesn't even take matters in his own hands. He sends dozens and dozens of minions. This is why Pucci is even better, he has a couple minions at his hands but 50% of part 5's screentime involves him on-screen.

>You also deliberately haven't mentioned Valentine, by far Araki's best villain.
I'm an animeonly. Tried to read part 7 like over 5 times but it's awful. I never understand what is going on in the fights. And it is somehow super slow paced even though I thought the manga would have a quicker pace.

But my main complaint is the new power system. I loved how stands had strict rules and people had to do miracles with the shitty ability they have. In part 7 it's nu-hamon and the MC's ability just does whatever it needs to do at the moment. He is not constricted by any rules, he can program the sphere to fly 5000km, do a 360, make breakfast, fuck his mom, fly around the globe and then hit the villain in the head at the end. What is the point? The fights have no stakes.

>>717768478
>I'm an animeonly

entire post disregarded and I extend a cordial invitation to stop posting

>>717768478
Fucking this >>717768519

>>717767962
I liked it. It's my 3rd favorite part after 7 and 4

>>717768519
But I did read half of part 7, posted legitimate criticism and you could not answer any of it

I also posted this criticism at /a/ and everyone agreed with me

>>717768115
>Is that pink haired guy a protagonist?
This is a fight between two antagonists, technically, but in all fairness the morality isn't black and white in part 5, everyone's in the mob and is willing to do pretty heinous things even if their intentions are supposedly good
JJBA is the only battle shounen I've ever cared about, I recommend it highly. It's flawed but unlike anything else.

>>717768597
>>717768464
>he is a villain
Fuck it
Also if what >>717768478 said is true and the power system later devolves to no rules, I have no interest in watching this. What I loved in the fight was the fact he had to obey strict rules.

>>717768567
>read half

finish the arc and I would care. please understand that the manga and the anime are different creatures, you lose a lot of araki's pacing and thematic emphasis.

>>717768567
Where'd you stop reading? It takes a while to get going but the stretch after Scary Monsters to the end is the best thing Araki's ever written.
>caring first and foremost about logic and continuity
It's probably not going to be for you anyway but at least you tried.

>>717768701
Yes I am telling the truth. Did you notice that no one among >>717768519 and >>717768547 even tried arguing against it? Parts 2 and 7 have a wacky power system that lets you do anything you think of through pseudo-magic. It is the polar opposite concept of stands that play by specific rules. I have no idea why Araki thinks doing the opposite of what people enjoy in his work is a good idea, but it seems to have worked somehow as some people love wanking part 7.

>>717768738
>>caring first and foremost about logic and continuity
>It's probably not going to be for you
Thanks for admitting part 7 is garbage

>>717766638
>diavolo
Ah yes, the man who shows up for around 2 minutes of screen time and then dies to the MC saying "NUH UH! MY SUPER POWER LETS ME DO WHAT EVER I WANT NOW!"
thrilling.

>>717768464
His introduction is bullshit in retrospect.

>>717768770
>why araki thinks doing the opposite of what people enjoy

because it's about what araki wants. I wouldn't bother with JJBA if araki was only concerned with fan service

>>717768770
>It is the polar opposite concept of stands that play by specific rules.
Half the time Araki completely retcons how a stand functions or pull out some random new ability out of his ass, so they barely have any rules anyway

>>717768701
>What I loved in the fight was the fact he had to obey strict rules.
Yes that is 99% of Jojo fights, ignore that guy. The "rules" get a bit outlandish but every stand fight is about two people with niche abilities trying to get the uper hand on one another by setting up traps, thinking on their feet, countering their opponent's ability or using the environment to their advantage. They're almost like puzzles as opposed to sparring matches.

>>717768854
The implication here is that he could pull Trish because the elevator was moving but I agree it is inconsistent with how his power works, its not like he can phase through solid objects

>>717769024
Early Golden Wind was so fucking ugly holy shit

>I loved how stands had strict rules and people had to do miracles with the shitty ability they have
>Part 6's Bohemian Rhapsody exists

>>717768854
Most villains are.
>Part 3 with DIO moving people down stairs
>Part 4 and 6 with the evolving stand powers so Araki can handwave the villains being able to do different things
>Part 7 with Who Shot Johnny Joestar
>Part 8 with the Head Doctor (is he really 82 years old?)

I can't wait for Part 9's asspull.

>>717769024
favorite: mid-late part 4

I think part 7 and part 8 are generally consistent and pretty good though

>>717769125
>oh no a shitty stand that lasted 2 episodes out of 50
>with this I can defend part 7 which is 100% shitty and no strict rules

>>717766302 (OP)
Hes me except I collect toe nail clippings instead

>>717768701
>the power system later devolves to no rules
nta but I thought it was one of the few mangas that actually solved the issue and always kept power levels in consistent order. I'm sure nothing's perfect but there's never a sense of mismatched scale to anyone's powers.
>What I loved in the fight was the fact he had to obey strict rules.
This is definitely a running theme in the series. Probably go check it out.

>>717769206
araki doesn't care about strict rules. it's evident in every single part.

>>717767083
JoJo ruined other battle shounen for me. I still dig older stuff like HnK, Kinnikuman, and YYH but JoJo still reign supreme.

>>717768194
>Why isnt the villian just 200iq?? Why does he have flaws in his thinking??
Kira was living peacefully with the occasional murder, until one slip off left him being almost caught. This simply cannot repeat again

>>717769258
>>717768949
Liars. I just spedread a fight in part 7 and the MC's friend won by making his sphere bury underground and hit the villain by surprise. This is low IQ. I'm not reading this garbage. Gonna stick to Liar Game and Kaiji.

>>717769206
>just 1 one stand
>heavy weather, part 6
>In addition to the existing abilities of Weather Report, Heavy Weather generates various rainbows to fill a vicinity. If someone touches them, their body will morph into that of a snail. Only Weather Report is truly immune.

>The transformation can be either a progressive change into a giant snail hybrid, a breakdown into numerous snails or an explosion into a cluster of snail eggs that hatch immediately. One can also begin to turn into a snail by physically touching one of the snails created, or an individual already turning into a snail. All animals are affected by the metamorphosis.

>A partial transformation alone comes with a number of handicaps such as getting stuck on surfaces, sluggish reactions and speed, and loss of strength because of the softening of the body. Moreover, the victims also become vulnerable to snail-eating predators and contact with salt, which dehydrates the body.

>Snails created through Heavy Weather can procreate freely thanks to their ability to change gender. The procreation is very fast and accelerates exponentially, causing a rapid multiplication of the snails. Any person trapped inside a swarmed area is practically doomed to be touched at least once and begin their metamorphosis. If left unchecked, the swarm of snails will endanger whole cities.

>It is eventually explained that Heavy Weather subconsciously alters the atmosphere and creates a subtle light projection with the sunlight that, if viewed, causes organisms to all think themselves as snails and forcing the transformation, like an exaggeration of subliminal messages

Kill yourself tranny retard. Kill your tranny fucking self.

>>717768949
>THIS IS REQUIEM

>JOHNNY THIS SAND IS FERROMAGNETIC

>THE WORLD... THEY ARE THE SAME TYPE OF STAND

>THEY'RE NOT BUBBLES, THEY'RE LINES THAT ~~~SPIN.....

>INVISIBLE BUBBLES THAT GO BEYOND OR SOME SHIT

give me a fucking break

>>717769024
Late Part 1 to early Part 4 is the artistic peak.

does steel ball run have a kino villain

>>717769507
Yes. Cute and Funny Valentine is one of the best villains in the series.

>>717768949
Bullshit. I love Jojo, but there are no fucking rules to the stands whatsoever, in fact Araki can't plan ahead or think consistently in general. That may be part of it's unique, quirky identity, but there's never been any consistency to the supposed "rules" that room temperature IQ animetubers claim exist

>>717769390
araki mentioned he liked kaiji I think. he's really picky about manga, I don't see him mention reading anything past the 80's generally

P7 has one of the best stands the fuck you talking about
Not cringy full schizo and not
>he just attacks in melee but hard and fast
bum shit

>>717768854
It makes sense tho

>>717769198
The entirety of P4 looks great. Ironic considering how the anime adaptation looks so fucking bad for Diamond is Unbreakable in particular.

>>717766638
What about Valentine?

>>717769571
>in fact Araki can't plan ahead or think consistently in general

every single issue is made on the fly, the parts can last up to a decade, araki and most other mangaka don't have a fully laid out plot since things can change on the fly. see the berserk manga as a notorious example.

>>717769564
Kira > Valentine > Tooru > DIO > Diavolo > Pucci > Kars > Dio Brando

What was he thinking?

>>717769673
I know inconsistency plagues shonen and other long-running series in general, but Jojo is one of the most egregious cases

>>717768825
In the Scary Monsters fight, Gyro uses the spin to flatten his and Johnny's legs, and it happens once and never again. Now, if I got so hung up on that one thing, I'd never be able to appreciate the things I do about it. The characters, their arcs, the world, the themes, the fights, the art, the panelling, etc. The climax of part 7 is so good it makes me rock hard just thinking about it again, but if I was like you I'd be rolling my eyes at every little discrepancy or unrealistic, insignificant thing. Not once has Jojo ever been serious. You yourself must know this because you've watched the anime. Are you really going to tell me the crux of your argument for which parts are best is based on the fucking realism? In Jojo? In a battle shounen even?
If what you want is realistic action, then no, I'll reiterate myself - its probably not for you. I only scratch my head and wonder how you stuck with the series past season one.

>>717769402
It's so fucking funny to read this in its entirety. During the manga shit gets more and more crazy progressively but laid out like this it's just downright demented. I love this series so much.

Bros, I found a girl recently who loves JoJo. We went dancing and did JoJo-poses throughout the dance, posing like on the cover of Vogue. I think I'm in love

PS. She's a tomboy. I know you guys love those

>it feels like Jojo was fucking everywhere just a couple of years ago
>millions of normies talking about it, memes everywhere, discussions and so on
>now it looks like everyone... just forgot about it
It's a bizzare feel

>>717769745
We never did see what was in Kenshiro's pants.

>>717766302 (OP)
Honestly, after "Kira in hiding" arc, i sort of got this idea of it going a different direction
>Kira slowly begins to grow into his new life
>"Hey, this normalfag life is actually pretty sweet and peaceful, just as i wanted, and i even have a wife with hot hands too"
>Genuinely does a 180 on himself and begins to genuinely care, but the kid is still being nosy over his dad being way too nice now
>Suddenly, the gang finds he's Kira as a result
>Completely disregard everything he might say in his defense, begin chasing him because he's Kira (And justified - he did murder people after all), 120% of prejudice ensues, forcing him to go nuclear on everyone in self-defense (Including the timeloop shit)
>The gang just have none of it (Or are completely unaware at all), and just murder what's now a pretty chill guy keeping his new family afloat
Yeah redemptions are lame, but here its more or less "We wont allow you to be redeemed and unknowingly force you back into evil as a result" stuff, which i dont see often and could have made a nice story.

>>717770000
Dem digits

part 2 was the best I loved how menacing pillarmen felt and their theme is awesome

>>717769965
Part 6 killed the hype. Unironically.

>>717769965
Netflix batch releasing the part 6 anime killed the hype

>>717769963
ANON RUN AWAY NOW, THAT'S A MA--

>>717769963
Get off 4chan and go hang out with her right now

>>717769963
Break contact with her and stay on 4chan. Stay with us.

BEST GIRL IN ALL JOJO?

>>717769024
Battle Tendency was Araki's peak. 1-3 are great too,
Giorno and part 5 are complete garbage

>>717770331
I like trish

>>717770331
my heart goes to Yasuho

>>717770331
Spice Girl

>>717768115
>Is that pink haired guy a protagonist?
Main antagonist of the season.
>What is his season?
5, golden wind. It's mostly self-contained, only the first episode connects to the rest of the series by making the head protagonist be related to the biggest villain in the series.

people are too autistic about their hangups about the series, overwhelmingly jojo is more creative and interesting than any other battle manga and i can let uneven things slide because of all the kino it's given

>>717770007
I just dont think it's in his nature to develop genuine affection for his new wife and kid, at most he could appreciate the quiet life like you say, but it would always be an act (and that's basically what already happens in the last arc anyway)

>>717770331
Dragona

>>717766638
>Dio is super retarded I shouldn't even need to explain this.
Dio was clearly playing around because he was unbeatable but STOPPED right when someone had an ability just like his.

>>717768115
Shit's crazy. Highly recommend. And it's still going after 30+ years. We are on part 9 now and the protagonist is a Hawaiian zoomer selling drugs in his school.

>>717766638
>why does this deeply autistic man not follow my logic?

>>717770331
I unironically can't choose just ONE

>>717770629
...

>>717770331
Yasuho easily

>>717768230
Some manga are planned in advance. Also the best short stories I've read were a good writer teaming up with an artist.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/30703cb0-9acb-404a-bf49-7e7c46048de7

>>717771152
BITCH

>>717771157
I had so much fun in those threads

>>717771024
Interesting that you left out his is the dual protagonist with his tranny brother.

>this thread
you fuckers are making consider watching/reading all the parts again.

corrently from memory my favorite villains are:
pucci > valentine > kira > diavolo > dio > kars > dio brando

haven't read part 8 yet i can say anything about tooru

Boys, we got another one >>717771436
hehehe

>>717771341
The Part 8 storytime threads were only good at the end when it started really sinking in how bullshit the entire thing has always been. My personal highlight is Joshu having a meltie after giving Yasuho his arm. Another one is Jobin's entire arc and especially his backstory with his mother.

>>717771436
I like him, but reading the ending of Part 8 was excruciating at the time since it took almost 2 years for him to go down due to the manga being monthly and Araki being trapped inside due to the Wu Flu.

Of course, I, like most readers, still think that a certain other character would've been far better as a final villain, but Tooru was still great.

>>717771680
Joshu is still my favorite Part 8 character because of how awful he is.

>>717770847
JoJo is battle shounen taken to its logical endpoint aka pure fun bullshit. People either get hung up over muh power systems or they just hate shounen stuff outright.

>>717766302 (OP)
Eddie gluskin from Outlast

>>717771715
i heard a lot of complains about the ending but still haven't spoiled anything to myself, hopefully it will be worth the read even if the ending is shit.

also what are your thoughts on part 9 so far?

>>717771995
>JoJo is battle shounen taken to its logical endpoint aka pure fun bullshit
That's Dragon Ball. DB is like 90% fights. JJBA is only 75% fights.

My problem is how inconsistent the power system is. Even Toriyama had better consistency. Araki consistently writes himself into a corner and then comes up with the mother of all asspulls to fix the situation.

>>717771885
Oh, abso-fucking-lutely. I started checking out of Part 8 at the half-way point but would immediately lock in once Joshu appeared. I read the part for the first time in those threads and I was one of the suckers that believed he would get an actual character arc after Milagro Man ala Johnny.

>>717771680
Mine was Yasuho being molested by the entire population of Morioh

>>717770331
>Part 1
well Erina I guess...
>Part 2
Lisa Lisa hnnnggghhh
>Part 3
Mariah
>Part 4
tough choice, Reimi
>Part 5
Trish SEX
>Part 6
Irene lmao. Yes post Universe reset happy ending Jolyne
>Part 7
Hot Pants
>Part 8
Yasuho mhmmmm

>>717766638
Meanwhile Diavolo fumbles throughout part 5 and loses because of plot armor for the protag.

>>717768115
>>717768478
>>717768701
imagine getting baited this hard by this sperg lmao
this definitely has to be the work of an enemy stand

>>717766302 (OP)
Part 8 the most recent completed part has the worst villain in the series though

whats the best episoe of jojo and why is it the restaraunt episode in part 4

>>717766638
>Diavolo is cool
Get a load of this fucking dork.

>>717772083
>i heard a lot of complains about the ending but still haven't spoiled anything to myself, hopefully it will be worth the read even if the ending is shit.
IMO, the main problem is how long it dragged on. My pure page count, Part 8 is almost as long as Parts 1 - 3 COMBINED. Part 7 was rather long itself, but Part 8 is about 1/3rd longer. The ending is part of that problem since Araki dragged out the final fight for nearly 2 years real time. But the Funny Valentine fight lasted almost as long as well.

The difference was that most people got into JoJo (in the West) long after Part 7 ended, so they didn't experience the absolute drudgery that was waiting for the Valentine fight to end. They could binge read the whole thing. Part 8 was different as most people (in the West) got into JoJo around 2015/2016 when the part was only half over.

>also what are your thoughts on part 9 so far?
I don't like either of the main Joestars, but so far the story and fights have been better than both Parts 7 and 8. I sincerely hope Howler is the main villain of the part and he doesn't become a footnote after the current arc.

>>717772543
Milagro Man is peak Jojo and it's not even close

>>717772636
Beetle Tendency > Milagro Man

>>717772587
Diavolo is cool. I was so ready for him to fuck everyone up when he arrives at the Colosseum but then the final arc happens and is a shitshow.

>>717772543
>>717772636
D'Arby the Gambler is the peak I'm afraid.

>>717772543
SEX also for me its the Cream fight, I have to give it to DP they really hit it out the park with that one

>>717766302 (OP)
It's a different medium. There's going to be things it naturally does better. I'd love a game with
>dialogue and character motivations by Araki
>character designs, names and introductions by Oda
>everything else by Togashi

>>717768701
>the power system later devolves to no rules
It's the opposite. Araki didn't come up with Stands until Part 3. In Parts 1 and 2, the protagonists use breathing techniques that give them magic kung-fu which replicates solar energy, called Hamon or the Ripple. It honestly just works however Araki wants it to work in each scene, but it really isn't that powerful and it's used against vampires and super-vampires who have actual superpowers, so it's not that big of a deal. It mostly does what you'd expect it to do. It's in Part 3 when he introduces Stands and fights get more interesting, but it still takes some time, most of Part 3 you can tell he's still figuring shit out.

However, Part 7 intentionally parallels Parts 1-3, so Araki brings Hamon back, except now it's called the Spin and only a couple people use it. Most people, including the MC, use Stands.

>>717772451
Give it a couple of years and people are going to love Part 8. The anime will rehabilitate its image even further, just like Parts 4 and 5.

Araki forgot

>>717766302 (OP)
One of the greatest antagonists of all time
How did Araki do it

>>717766638
Kira is the best villain because he isn't some old god or vampire monster hellbent on world domination or control. He was just a serial killer who happened to get a stand.

>>717772636
>>717772740
It's Vitamin C I'm afraid, Araki will never top that unless he sells his soul to make Part 9 his masterwork

>/a/ thread in /v/
hmmm

>>717766302 (OP)
My name is Yoshikage Kira. I'm 33 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Morioh, where all the villas are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Kame Yu department stores, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone.

>>717769965
Personally I just peaced out after part 4. 5 wasn't interesting to me.

>>717772929
>uhm, ACSHUALLY

>>717772793
based, that fight honestly had more tension then the final battle of part 3

>>717772996
The current arc in JoJoLands is about as good as Vitamin C was IMO. Now we wait and see if Araki sticks the landing. If Howler isn't the main villain of the part and ends up jobbing like Jobin, I'm done with JJBA.

>>717766302 (OP)
JoJo fans will see a character introduced doing a Vogue pose called Tiramisu using a stand called 「SMOOTH CRIMINAL」and scream "PEAK" at the top of their lungs.

>>717773000
We're actually all talking about Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle for the PlayStation 3

>>717773121
Give Part 7 a try when the anime comes out. It just got announced. It's also not connected to Parts 5 or 6 in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkvkwnQbEQ

>>717772137
>Araki consistently writes himself into a corner and then comes up with the mother of all asspulls to fix the situation.
That's the best part

>>717773313
Made by Davido Pro?

>>717773372
Yessir

>>717772923
>people are going to love Part 8
Yeah, people with low standards. The storytime proved Part 8 is fucked beyond repair.

C G I H O R S E S

>>717773447
Good.

>>717773313
I've heard the same thing from a friend who's a massive Jojofag and praises Part 7 to high heaven. I'll def get on it when it comes out.

>>717773195
I have very high hopes for part 9 based off of the story so far, it reminds me of all the things I liked about 5, but 5 had its own problems. Whether 9 exceeds my expectations or falls flat depends mostly on what Araki does with Howler. There's a lot of potential here, but yeah I'm loving this arc so far too. I'm just worried because I can say the exact same thing about the first half of part 8, but that very much did not meet my expectations by the end.

>>717772137
>That's Dragon Ball
I don't think so. I think the appeal of battle shounen is imagining new characters, perhaps your own, perhaps even you existing in the world. There's no reason to do that with Dragon Ball since no one besides Goku matters and everyone has literally the exact same abilities.
>Even Toriyama had better consistency
That is quite a statement. Dragon Ball had very few rules, and even then, Toriyama broke them all the time. Araki is famous for this, but it's also more expected since the series is longer and full of crazier shit. Also, a lot of the "Araki forgot" stuff is honestly just fans being retarded.
>Araki consistently writes himself into a corner and then comes up with the mother of all asspulls to fix the situation
Actually, the truth is maybe worse. Moments that feel like asspulls are actually usually planned by Araki ahead of time, especially if it's the climax. The reason is because, as much as people like Stands for their highly specific abilities and the puzzlebox design of conflicts the series has become famous for, Araki actually doesn't care as much about that stuff. He actually likes it when characters break the rules and overcomes nonsense with more nonsense. That's why almost every part ends in shit that fans just roll their eyes at. For Araki, those are what he considers the best moments.

This is actually very common in battle shounen. I don't know if it's a Japanese thing or a "this is literally a story for 13-year olds" thing, but authors never seem to think they have to make the hero's victory mechanically believable. The hero wins because...they're the hero! Duh. That's it. And isn't that so much more powerful? No, it isn't, but they think it is.

>>717773604
Part 8's problem was that people thought Araki would drop his bad habit of dropping plotlines and they kept believing things were going to be relevant after their arc. It COULD'VE been the best part ever if he actually followed through on all of them, but as it stands I'd still put Part 8 in my top 3 parts.

Part 9 started rough with Drag On A Joestar and the bullshit with Rohan's Villa, but it's picking up quite nicely.

>>717766638
Why would a serial killer send letters to the media/police? There's plenty of real world examples of some dumbass criminal who could have gotten away with it but exposed themselves due to their ego.

>>717773992
>It COULD'VE been the best part
No. It has the worst Stands in the series. People just fell for mystery box bullshit. There's nothing about the first half of Part 8 that's particularly interesting. In fact, on reread people actually hate most of the fights. The only thing that got people excited was the fact that there was a mystery. People love mysteries. If you take a straight story and remove something from the beginning, people will go, "W-w-what's going on? WHAT WAS REMOVED?" and get all excited, even though literally nothing has changed. It's only once that thing is planted back in and the mystery is solved that they realize, actually, it was a pretty stupid fucking story and they got excited for no reason. I said this from Day 1 and was proven right.

Part 8 is the pseud's part. They genuinely think its some masterpiece and its use of themes and character writing is amazing.

>>717773664
>I think the appeal of battle shounen is imagining new characters, perhaps your own, perhaps even you existing in the world.
That's certainly an appeal of some battle shonen, but not most of them.

>since no one besides Goku matters and everyone has literally the exact same abilities.
Goku has among the lowest win rates for any shonen MC, managing to win a little over half of his fights throughout the series. And characters do have unique abilities. Goku is the only character who can go SSJ3. Beerus is the only (main) character who can use Hakai. Piccolo is the only (main) character who can regenerate.

>Dragon Ball had very few rules, and even then, Toriyama broke them all the time.
The battle system in Dragon Ball has remained consistent since ki was introduced. Toriyama certainly does a lot of retconning, but not nearly as much as Araki. Characters frequently bring back techniques they used long in the past, like the Evil Containment Wave, Spirit Bomb, and so on.

>Actually, the truth is maybe worse. Moments that feel like asspulls are actually usually planned by Araki ahead of time
I'll give you that you're most likely correct on his end-story asspulls being intended, but he frequently writes himself into a corner outside of the final fights. Most of the post-prison Stone Ocean fights were precisely that. Who Shot Johnny Joestar was just that.

>>717768464
>people even after 25+ years still don't understand how does his stand (power) work
Well not even Araki understood how King Crimson worked. There are multiple times when Diavolo changes fate in the time skips when he’s not supposed to.

>>717774773
That statement is true of every part post-3

>>717766302 (OP)
Jojo fell off hard after Diamond. Golden Wind was ass and everything afterwards was even worse.

>>717774901
I can see 5 with its heavy use of fate, perhaps 6 too but its way more divisive than any other part. 7 has people fall for Valentine's politician talks but that is it really.

>>717774916
5 had great battles and a great cast, just they were misused and the story keeps making you question things. 6 is a bit too confusing and Pucci feels total BS at times but I really like it. 7 is most people's favorite and while I don't agree, I can definitely see why. 8 was a disaster.

>>717773992
>Araki would drop his bad habit of dropping plotlines and they kept believing things were going to be relevant after their arc
It's not about any specific plot thread that got dropped, it's just Jobin's introduction screamed main antagonist, as did Kaato's introduction and her backstory. Araki still had the Higashikata family fighting one another, it just took a backseat to all the Rigger shit, when it should've been the other way around.

>>717775254
IMO, if either Jobin or Kaato finished off Tooru and became the true main antagonist, Part 8 would go down as the best part.

>>717774793
I have a very good post saved that imo explains King Crimson and Epitaph well

Basically Epitaph shows him what's fated to happen 10 seconds in the future, and this prediction CANNOT be changed, it is guaranteed to happen. That is unless Diavolo uses King Crimson, which deletes up to 10 seconds of time and whatever happened to him in that time is ignored, but everything else sill happens to everyone else. He can move how he wants in those 10 seconds. So let's say Diavolo sees himself get punched in the prediction and then punch the other guy in the face, he can't escape no matter what so he just deletes the time in which he got punched so it doesn't happen, but because the other guy is not Diavolo he still suffers from the result of being punched. Results from actions that would have occurred in deleted time still occur unless they are results that would have an effect on Diavolo. To everyone else it just seems like teleporting since they move from where they were when KC was activated to the end of the prediction instantaneously. They don't remember how they got there because the time they moved in literally didn't happen. On top of this Diavolo can decide how he would have moved in the erased time whereas everyone else must do what Epitaph predicted. Diavolo uses this to disorient people and get behind them in the perfect position to do his fisting.

>>717766748
The real world setting and pop culture integration make the story feel so much more alive and araki doesn't do it in a tacky way IMO. Earth and the (mostly) same timeline that we know today with the story woven in different parts makes for a fun setting. It's why I like Part 1-6 over the alternate timeline. I also like hamon over stands because they start to turn into a little bit of an asspull at the end for exploiting weaknesses where as hamon mostly had a consistent strength and weakness for the whole time it was used, and the concept of hamon itself is pretty unique compared to most other shonen powers

>>717766302 (OP)
Part 4 was the last part of Jojo that i liked. From that point on it got too gay for me and i had to tap out.

>>717774916
The story was uninteresting and the last act was a let down, but part 5 has arguably the best fights.

What is the stand you'd like to have? For me it's Harvest.

>>717775358
You'll get your guardrail flashback instead and you'll like it.

>>717775418
Hamon did it all could. It always needs some life conduit to work and the user always needs to breathe. Every strategy against Hamon is to stop those two things which would get old. Stands are the perfect evolution and fit Araki's puzzle battle style much better. Hamon should have gotten a bit more use in part 3 though.

>>717775358
I really felt like Tooru was the penultimate arc, then we'd shift to the grand finale of Jobin, Kaato and Tsurugi. The whole flash forward pointed toward this.

>>717775390
Does this explain how Aerosmith's bullets can pass through him in skipped time, but near the end of the part he can pick up Narancia and move him about in skipped time?

>>717775583
Crazy diamond would be pretty handy i guess. I could make a living fixing things and barely having to work for it while also being able to defend myself pretty handily.

>>717775583
Sticky Fingers. I refuse to elaborate why...

>>717769963
Invite her to 4chan! Girls love anime boards.

>>717775752
Yes. Epitaph's predictions/forecasts are absolute. Except if Diavolo uses King Crimson, which removes him and him alone from fate. Aerosmith was fated to hit him but by skipping ahead, Diavolo is fine. Later on, Narancia is forecast to be throw onto the fence and die, Diavolo skips to the result for safety.

>>717775583
Harvest would be top tier for daily life.

>>717775583
Paisley Park of course. It's the most useful stand for someone who doesn't intend on fighting others.

Favorite minor antagonist stand?

>>717775993
>Aerosmith was fated to hit him but by skipping ahead, Diavolo is fine. Later on, Narancia is forecast to be throw onto the fence and die, Diavolo skips to the result for safety.
So he was already going to kill him? Okay, I can believe it.
spoilers though anon, spoilers!

>>717775583
Weather Report is incredibly useful and aesthetic at the same time.

>>717775583
Star Platinum because it's just awesome

STAR FINGER

>>717775583
You could do so much with The World it isnt even funny. Just dont get too cocky like Dio and dont bother with world domination or something

>>717769630
that anon is animeonly

>>717776130
You already posted it. I always thought Kraftwerk's ability was cool, and I love that fight, so maybe that one too.

I have a confession, /v/. I was forced to watch JJBA by my little sister. I was never into it before but now I love it, and I've even read most of the parts

>>717775583
The issue with having a stand is that you will be drawn to other stand users and inevitably have to fight or coexist with them.
Harvest is "bad" in that regard because it's extremely noticeable to any other stand user unless you make them only come out at night and only do extremely covert things.
In terms of combat and usefulness it's probably one of the absolute best but it'd require extremely careful usage.

>>717776403
why didnt jojo star finger pucci? was he retarded?

>>717776454
The 10 second time limit would actually be very limiting, despite what the anime might make you think, with each second lasting a whole fucking minute.

>>717775358
I was coping and thought Wonder of U was the second act. I thought Kaato would end up buried with Jobin somehow and become a mixed person like Gappy and they'd call themselves Joker.

At the beginning of the manga I joked that the final villain would be a tranny named LaDio Gaga 'cause I thought Dio would come back somehow and there were a few Lady Gaga references. Funny enough the manga actually did end with Radio Gaga somehow.

>>717775390
The problem with this description is it doesn't reflect how Diavolo fights. If you had the ability to see your enemies get hurt and could skip your own involvement while guaranteeing their own, how would you fight, anon? You'd fight by literally never, ever going near them. Just run to a nearby room or corner, use Epitaph, and if you see them getting hurt, skip time and run the other direction.

He does not do this a single time. Araki does not show him predicting an attack and then skipping it so it happens without him a single time. This is not how he uses King Crimson. Logically, it must be because that's not how it works. Instead he just uses it to position himself behind his enemies, and then when the ability ends, he attacks them in real time. It would be extremely odd if he didn't have to do this and Araki just chose, for some reason, to never show us him using his ability this way.

>>717775583
Moody Blues. I watch a lot of unsolved mysteries and true crime. There's a few superpowers I wish I had and one that allows me to uncover those mysteries is one.

>>717777264
Part 8, while good, had so much missed potential it's hard not to be angry. I think most mangaka could've written a better ending to Part 8.

>>717776454
5 second time stop is not that useful outside combat.

>>717776648
I have a confession too. I dropped JoJo midway through Part 6 and never looked back. The powers and plot asspulls just got too silly for me. What a shame, just when I thought that part was a return to form.

>>717775583
King Crimson. It is just so fucking cool. Also, a lot of random bullshit can kill you out there that you could avoid with King Crimson and Epitaph, like being ran over by a car.

>>717776454
You'd have to be atleast as strong as Jotaro if you want to use the timestop for any length of time. So unless you're a 2 meter tall gigachad with a body sculpted like a greek god you're just gonna have a ghost with super strength.

>>717777858
Part 6 is easily the worst part with Stands, so I can see why you'd drop it. If it's any consolation, the ending is even worse than the early segments and it's never relevant in the series again, so you can just skip Part 6 and go into Part 7 and 8, which are part of a new continuity.

>>717778052
You'd have to be watching Epitaph all the time, to avoid misfortune. It wouldn't be a good life.

>>717777193
Only DIO got 10 seconds and that was due to being a vampire, his potential is limitless. Jotaro at his peak could only pause 5 or 6 seconds.

>>717775583
For me, it's Survivor.

>>717775583
I think Emperor is pretty underrated.

>>717778297
This is further proven in Part 7 where Diego can only stop for 5 seconds too.

>>717767083
I found HxH pretty disappointing

>>717777710
Because KC is retardedly overpowered and Araki had to dumb down Diavolo like that I guess
Yes if Diavolo uses KC to it's full potential then he is almost unbeatable. But you can say similar things about Dio and The World. If he doesn't waste a single second and goes straight for the kill every time and spams time stop - it's gg

>>717778619
Dio had several oppertunities to just kill everyone. His hubris was his end.

>>717778619
>>717777710
Sadly you have to allow concessions like that because at the end of the day its a battle manga. Plus KC doesn't make for interesting battles.

>>717778619
To be fair even with DIO fucking around he would have won if Jotaro did not have the "Same stand type" bullshit. He was pretty much invicible.

>>717779069
It really felt like an asspull. I think Araki wrote himself in a corner by giving Dio such a broken abillity and just couldn't come up with a believable way for Jotaro to win.

>>717775583
Pearl Jam 100%. The moment I saw that episode, I knew this stand was the goat.
>No combat utility
>No space / time manipulation
>Barely any trace left on targets
>No complicated rules or tricky usage

Eat and get healthier. I fantasized about working in a hospital to help patients recover faster. The only danger i could pose would be an instant heal dispenser, ala dragon ball's senzu bean. Other than that, I could live a peaceful, healthy life.

>>717779069
>>717779206
I find it less "asspully" when you consider that Dio basically stole Johnathan's body. So it's
>the same energy, DNA, fate (Dio vs another Joestar)
etc.

>>717779206
DIO at least uses Hermit Purple or some variant of it earlier, they are linked by Johnathan's body and soul after all. Supposedly the original plan was that the World is ALL of the stands so Jotaro would eventually realize that time stop is Star Platinum's power. I don't think the "same type of stand" is bad, just how it was handled and portrayed. If he spent a little longer on figuring it out or saw DIO taunt Joseph with his version of Hermit Purple, then Jotaro would connect the dots more organically. All of that said, SP and the World were just two big powerful humanoids, all the other stands had different looks to fit their abilities so them being similar works.

>>717779206
Part 3 should have endend with DIO falling for Joesph's trick and touching him while he was covered in Hamon.

>>717766638
Funny is the best and frankly Howler has some good set up but we’ve said that about alot of things in Jojo…

>>717777825
You are uncreative.

>>717766302 (OP)
>hes very arrogant
>and hes a vampire
>hes very arrogant and hes a vampire
>hes very arrogant
>and hes a vampire
>and he has time stop
>hes very arrogant/paranoid
>and he has time reverse
>hes very paranoid
>he has time erase
>hes gay
>he has time reset

>>717770331
You all know this.

>>717778345
Unless you plan on becoming a legendary hitman, Emperor is kinda useless once you've killed the 3-4 people you don't like

>>717767826
I don't think that's how it really worked, it's not that "Kira just poked himself a second time for more powers" but more the Arrow heeded his desperate call for whatever reason.

Mista's stand or Hol Horse's stand, which would you rather have? Give reasons why or why not.

>>717772762
>D'Arby the Gambler is the peak I'm afraid.

Correct. It was one of the few fights of the first OVA for a reason.

>>717779898
It's a gun you can just summon at will. If you dress and act like an unasuming backround npc you could catch practically anyone off guard.

>>717780117
But if you do not want to kill anyone then it is completly useless.

>>717780031
For battle? Emperor clears Sex Pistols. Infinite ammo, can move the bullet all over the place and as much as you want, spirit gun so no mechanical problems can ever happen, can fire in any situation. Sex Pistols is the more entertaining stand and Mista's fights were the most fun.

>>717779809
Okay, but imagine if Howler ends up actually being the main villain and he spends the rest of the story hunting down the main cast to get revenge for the current arc?

>>717780031
Hol Horse's. Bullets have their own will meaning that they could get annoying really fast and i would have no way to get rid of them.

>>717779206
I never disliked the "same type of stand" thing, but the way it was handled wasn't bad imo, at least the way it builds up to Jotaro also having time stop. He struggles the entire fight with the limited amount of time he can move and is under extreme pressure at the end, where his time stop just kicks in. It at least takes a while to happen, is what I mean.

>>717770331
Trish

>>717779541
And if you come at it from the angle of Jotaro misunderstood what his core power was the whole time. He thought it was superspeed, but the whole time Star Platinum hasn't been moving real fast, it's been slowing everyone else down. Time stop is therefore the logical end of the line to that ability, Jotaro getting enough control of it and realizing what it really is, that he can finally crank the dial all the way up.

The best Jojo part is Usogui

>>717780031
Neither

>>717767572
It would be extremely uncomfortable for him to try moving elsewhere with new scenery and an unfamiliar layout.

>>717780227
True. At that point it's just a self defense tool. But still a really good one.

>>717780356
Just keep a salami on you at all times and you'd be fine. Plus you are overlooking one key ability of Sex Pistols:range. Emperor has a set max range, Sex Pistols max range is whatever gun you happen to be using, Mista only ever uses the snubnose Revolver, imagine what Sex Pistols could do with a rifle or machine gun.

>>717768559
Why?

>>717780760
They can only handle so many bullets at once so the revolver was probably intentional.

>>717778619
>>717778902
Dio stopped time to avoid Kakyoin's attack and then used it a second time to one-shot him. He almost did the same to Joseph but realized he was protecting himself with hamon so he instead chased him to a place where he could stop time and grab projectiles to kill him with, which worked (almost). Dio wasn't fucking around, Jotaro just wasted a ton of his time with mind games and luckily realizing he had the same power as him.

Meanwhile, Diavolo never does anything like I described. It could still be interesting. The gang could be running through a room when suddenly one of them is on the ground bleeding out and they'd all be confused and scrambling over whether to look around for Diavolo or help their friend. Diavolo can only run so far and some of them have abilities that assist in mobility and detection. He can't foresee attacking someone if he isn't actually within range to do so, so he still needs to keep close by. That could have been a cool fight scene similar to Dio's where half the crew go down one by one.

Araki did not do this, even when King Crimson was roided out thanks to Requiem. Now you can respond the reason why he didn't do this is because Epitaph simply never gives him those visions, but if that's the case, can you really describe the ability that way?

At the end of the day, people just want to know how he severed Trish's arm and threw Narancia onto spikes without anyone seeing him do it, and this idea that he can see his own attacks and then skip past them so they happen without his actual involvement is just a theory that helps explain those. But if King Crimson actually worked that way, Araki could have showed it, and he doesn't. We see how Diavolo works from his own perspective several times but not once does he take the opportunity to let us see it can work that way. Isn't that strange?

>>717770331
It’s Ermes. Look into your hearts, you know it to be true

>>717777825
I'd constantly fuck around with my colleagues and gaslight them into questioning their sanity
The World also being able to punch a hole into anyone you don't like is just a bonus

>>717768701
Each part is almost totally disconnected from the previous one. They work as self-contained stories.

>>717775583
Forget stands. I'd rather learn hamon.

>>717780825
It had some of the best arcs in the entire series. Milagro Man, Beetle Tendency, Vitamin C, and so on. Basically everything prior to the final 20 chapters was good to incredible. It just didn't stick the landing.

>>717775583
Heaven's Door is the best stand and it's not even close

>>717780986
Is that a...?

>>717780470
Time is relative, so the whole time stop thing is really just moving close to the speed of light. Jotaro was right all along.

>>717781052
Maybe I seethed so hard about the last part that it's colored my perception of the rest

>>717766638
You are correct Kira could just move to another town that is quiet but alas Araki can't write to save his life
>>717775583
Kars ultimate powers, ill be timeless

>>717780031
>>717780723
>forgetting my boy Manhattan Transfer
Imagine forming a party of Stand users and showing each other your abilities only to realize you all have basically the same fucking thing. I kinda' want a medieval fantasy game where the party members all fulfill the classic RPG party roles except they do so through Stands.

>>717780723
>slow moving bullets
How is that any more useful than a regular gun though?

>Davido adds FF to the ending screen
Thank you Davido, very cool. Unlike Araki who forgot.

>>717781089
I don't know about best, but it's pretty busted, Rohan was only scratching the surface of what it was capable of by the end of part 4/start of part 5.

>>717781052
>run away from WoU in the complete opposite direction
>you are literally running towards him in a straight line around the circumference of the Earth
Does this count as a pursuit?

Sure, FF is plenty cute in the body of Atroe
But for me, it's its true form

>>717781052
>and so on
You named the three good parts and then tacked a "and so on" to make it sound like there's more.

There's a lot of things I like about Part 8. I think King Nothing and Wonder of U are two of the coolest looking Stands in the series. The Wonder of You arc is full of classic JoJo moments and of course the lemon/tangerine moment as well. But there's a lot more to hate about the part.

It has been 8 years since the DiU anime aired, and I'm STILL pissed they botched Killer Queens reveal.

>>717781502
It doesn't count if there's no intent to pursue him.

I just watched Jonathan Joestar's first bug fight with stone mask Dio and it was fucking kino. The family guardian angel thing was like something from an old tragedy or opera. Araki is a literary crackhead.

>>717767741
>>717767826
It's explained that the arrow reacts to extreme emotions, mainly desperation, of stand users. For example, Kira needed a counter to Jotaro's time stop, so the arrow gave him a load saved game ability. This makes him kill the Jojo gang in the 'original' timeline, but thats another story. Same thing happened with Giorno needing a way to thwart Diavolo's ability to fix events to his benefit, with the arrow bestowing him the power to trap him in a fixed, set-in-stone, reality (well, an endless number of them). The arrow will only make the stand more powerful if certain circumstances are met

Should new manga readers start from part 1 or just skip to the lauded part 7 first?

>>717781649
All the other Rock Human fights are good to great. Especially Poor Tom.

>>717775583
Gold Experience. Failing organ? I'll make a new one.

>>717781923
Aphex Twin, Dolomite and Urban Guerilla were great as well

>>717781338
>How is a slow moving projectile that denies area useful
This nigga has NEVER played Smash Bros in his life.

Araki seems like comic book Tarantino. Is this a fair comparison?

>>717781910
Start from part 1, it's all good.

>>717782039
I don't think there was a single bad fight against a Rock Human in Part 8. Even Doobie Wah was great.

>>717781765
Remember when Josuke used Soft and Wet to attack it and literally nothing happened?

>>717781741
I don't get why some people are still stuck on this (which was fixed in the blu-rays), when whole major arcs in Stone Ocean look like shit in the anime (and were never fixed in the blu-rays).

>>717781794
I really enjoy how grand and theatrical Part 1 gets. It works so well with how heroic Jonathan is and Speedwagon cheering and crying about stuff.

Not dissing but can someone please explain why all his characters look like gay fashion models

>>717781910
Part 1 you can read in an afternoon. Part 2 in an evening. You should at least read Part 1 and 3 before you read Part 7 since Part 7 has a bunch of callbacks to those parts (even though it's set in a different universe).

Each part is its own self contained story, but aside from 6 -> 7, they all build off of the previous part.

I feel like enough time has passed that we can stop pretending JoJo was ever good or even stylish

>>717782039
>josuke runs away for 2 volumes
Dolomite is garbage.

>>717782379
Kishibe Rohan made him gay

>>717782379
JoJo is a story about a man discovering his sexuality over the course of 4 decades.

>>717782379
Because Araki actually is a bit of a fashionista, and he's collabed with various fashion companies in the past. Hell, some of his works were even in the Louvre.

>>717782556
He has a wife and daughter. Hell, the entire reason Chocolate Disco is in Part 7 is because his daughter kept blasting that shit on repeat, drowning out his Boomer tunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WTy2yqKI4w

>>717780091
The OVA D'arby fight is the absolute best. They couldn't top it in the anime, though they really tried.

>>717782556
isn't he married to a woman?

>>717766302 (OP)
wasn't this guy supposed to have a backstory where his mom abused him which is part of his whole hand fetish schtick and why his father helped him out of a sense of guilty obligation but Araki cut it because it made him too sympathetic

>>717782680
And part 6 has a female JoJo, ie he finally realized yeah, maybe women are okay.

>>717782586
Interesting that he's a "fashionista" yet every single JoJo character design to date is fucking ridiculous.

>>717782807
That's the final form of the fashionista. Watch any fashion show and everyone looks like a JoJo villain.

>>717782886
>>717782807
I'd even go so far as to say that Araki's designs are pretty conservative as far as haute couture goes.

>>717782886
do people ever actually dress like this or is it literally just a performance? seems a shame for it to go to waste.

>>717782123
No, he's into bug bites, not feet.

>>717782976
Right's stand would be Epica or Therion

>>717782886
>>717782976
You're giving him way too much credit. He's an absolute hack, his designs are literally just bad.

>>717767083
>Metallica totally had Doppio on the ropes if it wasn't for Narancia shooting bullets at people whom he didn't even know was a threat!
I dunno, it kinda seems like Diavalo could have just come out at any time and do his bullshit but """couldn't""" so we could have an episode about him almost losing.

>>717783089
I doubt it, high fashion is 100 percent form over function.

>>717782198
I remember way more than that. Including the absolute bullshit of Kaato being immune to calamity just because she was saying "I'm akshually not attacking you". Blunder of U's rules and abilities have no actual logic and completely bend for the sake of the plot.

truth be told Araki peaked with him

>>717783210
this is literally the most based thing ever, but okay, whatever you say brah

>>717783254
Nero sucked all the Iron out of his blood, Doppio was done for if that fight hadn't been interrupted. Without iron your blood cannot transport oxygen, he would have suffocated within minutes. He wouldn't have been able to kill that bystander to suck his blood either because Nero would have just sucked all the Iron out of him too. Nero 100 hundred percent lost because Doppio had plot armor.

>>717772543
>whats the best episode of jojo and why is it the restaraunt episode in part 4
i really really like the episode where jotaro and josuke fight the rat, i think it was handled by another studio
the one with thick lines, its very distinct

>tfw been a fan since 2004 but the hype has faded over time
Saw the flash animation, played the Capcom fighter, watched the OVA, read the scanlations. The fandom was fucking great back then. I loved reading Part 1-7 but checked out during JoJolion. I also fell off the anime when I realised they were racing through the slower moments of Part 4. Cinderella was the last episode I watched. I still fucking adore Part 1-7 though.

THEY'RE ON ME LIKE WHITE ON RICE

>>717772636
>>717772996
vitamin c+milagro man
araki literally just started trolling right after making peak

>>717783626
The entire horse?

>>717775254
>>717775358
>>717777264
>Jobin's introduction screamed main antagonist, as did Kaato
it was LITERALLY and i mean LITERALLY part 4:2, it was the easiest layup ever and araki fumbled it

>>717772636
Quit this fucking meme. Milagro Man is nothing more than a decent TSKR-esque filler arc.

>>717783805
ALL of the horse

>>717767826
maybe it was just something dio never really considered
>i already used the arrow on this retard and he lived so whats the point of doing it again when he already has a stand

>>717766638
Absolutely filtered for not understanding Kars

>>717783518
Yeah, but what I'm saying is if it was Nero vs Diavalo, Diavalo probably would have just won easily somehow. Because he's not Doppio who was freaking out.

>>717768158
Kira has the personality of a cat.

>>717774790
>Goku is the only character who can go SSJ3.

>>717783089
They're one of a kind pieces of art. You can order custom made garments based on the collection if you're rich enough though. That's where a lot of celebrity red carpet stuff comes from. Otherwise they do separate ready to wear collections with toned down mass produced versions intended for the general public.

>>717766638
The only reason Kars was defeated was pure retarded luck. Joseph couldn't do shit against Ultimate Kars. He lost his hands and had his knees melted by hamon as potent as the fucking sun.

>>717784496
Why were they able to do it as Gotenks but not seperate?

>>717784546
>hamon
Oh shit, I forgot about that.
So did Araki.

>>717784612
they say fusions are much stronger than the sum of their parts
that's why vegito and gogeta can wipe the floor with guys like buu, janemba and broly who were kicking the shit out of goku and vegeta at the same time
i think the only times fusions have lost were vegito against merged zamasu and kefla against ui sign goku

>>717783831
Jobin was never the main villain. He doesn't look like one, act like one, his Stand is lame. From the very beginning he felt like a third party, like Diego in SBR, but less interesting.

Kaato was introduced with a lot of gravitas and she checked a lot of boxes, but then she disappeared.

>>717766302 (OP)
Kira is literally me

>>717766638
>He could achieve his object by just packing up and leaving the city
I'm pretty sure he addresses this?

How can you live a quiet and peaceful life if you're looking over your shoulder all the time wondering when the past will catch up with you? And also you're fucking retarded because that's on the assumption that he stops banging random women dragon quest style, I think even Okuyasu would realise that as the Morioh missing person rate normalised the rate in some other village mysteriously exploded.

Your argument makes no goddamn sense given the motivation of the character and you should feel bad.

>>717773604
I actually don't know what the fuck Araki was even going for with part 8 and I'm liking part 9 so far but there's no way I can have even a shred of hope.

>>717785034
>that as the Morioh missing person rate normalised the rate in some other village mysteriously exploded.
To add, this would also narrow the suspect region down to "people who moved from Morioh to (ultimately) village X within a certain timeframe". Might as well give himself up at that point.

I don't know what kind of data the Jap government keeps on residential addresses but considering the resources at the disposal of Jotaro/Joseph I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be relevant.

>>717784925
That is why it should have been Kaato, Jobin and Tsurugi with his leveled up stand, possibly Mitsuba too.

>>717784438
>cocky
>arrogant
>narcissistic
>sociopathic
it checks out

>>717775583
Heaven's door without a shadow of a doubt.

>>717784925
Kaato pulling the strings, manipulating her favourite son to do her bidding, driving a wedge through the family to get what she wants, while Jobin follows her through to the end, doubting himself along the way but sticking with her through a mix of guilt and sunk cost fallacy after hes already become a villain. The final fight should've been between the family members, with the Higashikata house (symbolically) burning down in the process. It would've been KINO.

>>717766638
Pucci is pretty good.
Diavolo lacks character traits beyond being evil and paranoid, and no matter how much you understand its mechanics (it foresees Diavolo/Doppio's future and allows him to escape his fate while the effects of his actions on others remain) King Crimson still sometimes doesn't quite make sense.
Kira sabotages himself because not having to change his lifestyle in any way is what he wants, and that very much includes staying in Morioh. He thinks only about himself, his desires, and how to keep what he already values- he's too self-absorbed to ever consider giving up his personal comfort for a victory, even temporarily. When his Stand, the manifestation of his soul, gets upgraded, the upgrade is literally "passively kill anyone who bothers me so I can sit at home eating sandwiches and kissing hands". Kira is one lazy fucker unless he's given no alternatives.

>>717766638
show pass

>>717767741
I always got the impression that stabbing the user again upgrades the Stand abilities, and stabbing the Stand itself makes it go Requiem.

>>717766302 (OP)
kira is a retard who only survives as long as he does due to multiple total asspulls

>>717787730
Doesn't it have a chance to kill you or am i remembering that wrong? I thought the arrow had a degree of RNG on it.

For me it's the 93 OVA.

>>717787730
>golden experience gets stabbed by an arrow when fighting polpo

>>717788313
Who?

>>717788276
Soul.

>>717773121
I didn't think I would like Part 5 either but after watching it it's pretty damn good. Some of the best fights in the series.

>>717775583
rubber soul is pretty great. you can transform into whoever you want, there doesnt even seem to be a time limit.

if you're an ugly short person, you could just permanently copy a 6'5 super model and immediately live life on easy mode.

>>717788819
5 goes full retard, even by Araki standards.

>>717785034
>How can you live a quiet and peaceful life if you're looking over your shoulder all the time wondering when the past will catch up with you?
He would have to look over his shoulder way more in Morioh.

>the Morioh missing person rate normalised the rate in some other village mysteriously exploded
So he just has to plan his shit, spread his crimes in the nearest cities. Y'know, like a real serial killer.

>Your argument makes no goddamn sense given the motivation of the character
No, you're just grasping at straws to defend him
>he MUST live in morioh and he MUST kill dozens of people every month, he can't be remotely smart about it even though he is autistically calculating in general

>>717775583
Sethan

>>717789015
>t. nta

>>717769965
Pretty sure part 7 getting animated will bring the hype back, at least partially.

>>717766638
Shut up retard goddess

>>717766302 (OP)

To be fair: guy who stops time/guy who rewinds time/guy who erases time/guy who fast forwards time is a pretty monotonous gimmick for the first half of his primary villains.

Funny Valentine will never be topped. Might be Araki's greatest ever villain.

>>717789560
Valentine is very overrated.

>>717767826
The arrows are perhaps sentient (or its gravity) and grant their user what they need if the emotional conditions are met. The requiem arrow is special because it grants your request in the most extreme way possible.

>>717789668
Why, though?

>>717766638
>He could achieve his object by just packing up and leaving the city
You don't understand anything. His objective *is* to stay in Morioh; his "quiet life" is the most important thing to him. He literally says this. I know we meme "media literacy" but goddamn.

Since this thread is a repost-

Dio's 'complexity' is consistent throughout all of Part 1. He innately views himself as superior to everyone else, with a begrudging respect for Johnathan at the start (and at the end, that transforms into truly viewing him as an equal, and thus worthy of becoming his new body).
Dio is more 'complex' in Parts 3 and 6 by all accounts, where his actions are often imbued with more meaning and significance than is ever actually shared with the audience. The Hol Horse scene in particular is a standout one as it implies so much about his character without stopping to explain how Dio has changed.

But really, the 'complexity' of a villain is not significant and JoJo benefits from villains that tend to not linger on the details. The villains are representations of ideas, antithesis to the given protagonist.
Dio in Part 1 is selfish where Johnathan is selfless. A scoundrel against a gentleman. It's incredibly basic, but the narrative is, for all of JoJo, to be a celebration of humanity. Dio's literal rejection of humanity plays into that, that he would abandon it for his own pursuits, that he would lie and undercut people, even kill, just to advance himself. He does not care for humanity, whereas Johnathan pulls people from the slums and into his light.

Kars is an expansion on that. Kars is literally inhuman, but what sticks out in his final transformation is the lack of a need for sex- that is explicitly mention. How is Joseph written? As the most sexual JoJo in the franchise, and Part 4 reveals he literally could not contain his seed to one woman. He is humanity.
And so on and so on.
On complexity as well, consider these characters deeply. A good starter question is always 'Why did Dio do X' for anything in Part 3, or even 'Why is Kira in DMQ?', and let your mind wander, learn to wonder for a moment.

This will sound absurd, but JoJo is genuinely the manga equivalent to the bible. Not in the religious sense... someone will get it.

>>717775390
The best explanation is still Togashi's

I skipped part 6 btw

>>717766638
Kira is supposed to be a bit autistic, a villain different from the usual.
He clearly has some unrational behaviors, like when he absolutely needs to correctly put a sock on a dead Koichi.

>>717789850
After all the hype he just wasn't that good. He's still a fine villain but nothing mindblowing.

>>717789915
>His objective *is* to stay in Morioh; his "quiet life" is the most important thing to him
No retard. His objective is not to stay in Morioh, it is his quiet life, which is defined by himself as being able to sleep without looking over his shoulders.

So it is extremely contradictory that he autsitically insists in staying in the city that has 20 stand users hunting him.

>>717766638
Are all konosuba fans inbred?

>>717790548
That's not an explanation anon, I want you to give me a thorough assessment of his character, otherwise I can't take such a contrarian opinion seriously.

>>717788856
the issue is that you are pretty much unable to eat anything in public because feeding the goo makes you bigger unless you somehow manipulate it to not cover your mouth

>>717768478
>He has no reason for doing anything he does, dude is evil for the sake of being evil.
That's what makes him good

>>717766302 (OP)
soemthing tells me the jojos community lacks reading comprehension and so all the villains are completely misunderstood.

>>717770331
None of these niggas appreciate Erina or Yukako enough.

>>717769965
It's almost like normalfags jumped on the JoJo bandwagon for the epic Giorno sax meme track, then moved on to the next trending anime after dah hype died down.

>>717790949
I feel people should reason out contradictions through what they say about the character, rather than just going "there's a contradiction".
For Kira, his ideal quiet life is many things, but part of it is not wanting to be forced out. Abandoning his own identity is a concession he despised making, and it rooted him in place for the time being, sure, but his ultimate desire still lies in killing Jotaro, Josuke, Koichi, and everyone else.
Why is that? It's because he is contradictory that there is then the idea of 'depth'. That he wants an idyllic quiet life, but he would stay in a city where there is a known brutal murderer- himself. That he would stay in a city that has attracted so much commotion, a place where evidence of his crimes are plentiful.

It is because part of his quiet life is that resistance to change or movement. That his desires are rooted in fetishes he developed as a teenager are, perhaps, part of that.

I'm writing all this and engaging in actual literary analysis knowing I'm just going to be called a faggot.

>>717790949
You're wrong so you're inventing headcanon. Morioh is extremely important to Kira.

>>717769965
>>717791293
JoJo blew up in the west at the time of Part 3's second half airing. Part 5 was just the 'biggest' because a lot Part 4 got a lot of popularity from following on from the backlog parts that got people started.
Part 6 didn't take off for a variety of reasons. People say netflix, I don't really buy that. Part 6 in general has never been that popular.

>>717767741
The time loop shit is, for all intents and purposes, a requiem. It gives Kira exactly what he wanted the most when he got pierced by the arrow, a trait it shares with Chariot and Gold Experience

>>717769965
Netflix' batch release for part 6 played a huge role in that, but so did internet culture just changing a lot from the 2010s to now