Thread 717833430

>Dynasty Warriors: /v/

What are the main factions you can play as?

Oldfags
Resetera Invaders
Soiteens

man shu your bitch ass up
what's the wei to wu some chinese bitches

>>717833527
nigga black... yousa a peasant nigga

For me its Qing dynasty because they exterminated dzungars with impunity

>>717833430 (OP)
>Ancient China only had 5 cities
Wtf?

>>717833430 (OP)
Cao Cao, Liu Bei (bandits), Sun family

>>717833574
>Liu Bao lasted longer than Lui Bei as the king of Shu.
Did the other kingdoms waited for their defeats or what?

>>717835850
Liu Bao was a chieftain of the nomadic xiongnu, hardly worth mentioning in the grand scheme of the three kingdoms at least until his son comes into play

>>717833430 (OP)
Da dudu! I bring dire news!

>Three Kingdoms thread
is pic related any good bros?

>>717836276
BAOOOOOOOOOO

I'm not racist against the chinese but jesus fuck what the fuck is that Ching Ching ming mong language Holy shit you nasally addicted slant eyed fucks speak with your fucking mouth not your noses what the fuck
>Haha gweilo go adfgasdfgcddaaseddcf
Go lu bu your lulu

Are there any other bosses like Lu bu? Apeears in an easy stage and is guarranteed to kick your ass the first couple of times?

>>717833430 (OP)
wei board

>>717833430 (OP)
>Three kingdoms
>Image shows four
Fucking Chinese.

>>717836667
Bolt from Last Raven

>>717836445
Yes, I recommend highly

>>717836931
???

>>717836976
the illustrious kingdom of Key, with the capital of city/capital

>>717833430 (OP)
Wei>>Wu>>>Shu

Wu because despite being absolute side characters they fuck shit up for everyone else, keeping Shu a bunch of faggots and absolutely castrating Wei.

At least, I think. Listening to an overview of RoTK. So far it’s all Liu Bei this and Cao Cao that. Sun Jian ran off with the imperial seal then managed to get his head caved in, the absolute mad lad.

>>717833430 (OP)
Imagine alternate history modern Three Kingdoms FPS would it work

Would a Kingdom Musou made by Omega Force be good?

>>717837478
Fuck yee
gimme

>>717837372
No. RoTK works because it’s ‘history’ after being embellished by over a millennia of over tradition. You could try to artificially recreate that with an alternate history, but the fact is the world does not have good enough writers to pull off such a feat.
>t. Has been soul searching on what a Romance of the 13 Colonies might look like.

>>717837269
Wu job insanely hard post chibi, they're only moments of glory are betraying shu for no reason and failing to take one castle 12 times

>>717833430 (OP)
faggots, niggers, and anti skubfags

>>717837627
Damn, I've been on a Battlefield binge after recent events and thought He Fei brought modern with blazing battleships as a background would be awesome.

>>717837737
I'm glad we all agree that pro-skubfags are either faggots or niggers.

Who is your DW waifu? Or if you'd prefer, who is your DW husbando?

>>717836276
>>717836446

What show can I watch that adapts The Three Kingdoms pretty well?

>>717838759
either the 94 show or the 2010 one

>>717838790
Thanks. Got a preference?

>>717838790
94 covers pretty much everything in the novel but it can be pretty rough to get through based on video quality, 2010 is a great adaptation but does take some liberties on certain aspects of the stories. I do recommend both.

>>717838835
The 94 show is more faithful to the book, adapting entire passages directly, but it shows its age. At times it feels like a theater play, which might be your thing. I also think it had better directing in general.
The 2010 focuses a lot on Cao Cao, has fast pacing, but it doesn't show certain famous scenes, and the battle scenes aren't really good. The music can get very repetitive, too.

>>717838294
#BringHerBack

>>717838759
The 2010 series is great.

>>717838965
>>94 covers pretty much everything in the novel but it can be pretty rough to get through based on video quality
Look up "Gentlemen of the Han", they are a group that subs a 720p version (iirc), which should be enough for such an old show

>>717839035
Literally the perfect woman

>>717838294
Zhang Chunhua is the perfect woman, alas she belongs to another

>>717839104
They’re still uploading pretty regularly, right? I got up to a number of episodes then kind of forgot waiting on them

>>717839129
>alas she belongs to another
Cao Cao has a curious fetish...

>>717838294
>Or

>>717839197
They only have one batch left. It should be done within six months. We just got done with Zhuge Liang's Northern Expedition a few months ago.

>>717838759
I think only 2010 is fully translated. The 94 translation is somewhat close to complete, but you'll have to wait.

>>717838790
>>717838965
>>717839029
>>717839053
>>717839104
>>717839278
>>717839293
Thanks for the info. After reading Journey to the West last year and absolutely loving it, I've been thinking about Romance of the Three Kingdoms. With how many characters there are and such I thought watching a show of it first would be best.

>>717839425
The book is not fucking around, man. Events just blitz by, and they are described dryly and brutally.
It's also really fucking funny

They recently (yesterday or the day before) finally removed the 2010 show from YouTube. So this is a reminder to download unless you own the dvd like me. I guess ccp finally got wind of it. Weird they would remove it tho I would think the show just increased interest in chinese culture and history. Also Yuan Shu was the rightful emperor he had the seal!!! Also also the 94 show is superior in everything except battle scenes. Zhang Fei at the bridge scene is so epic. Ripperino to the actor he died last year.

Spring and Autumn > Three Kingdoms

>>717839425
>With how many characters there are
The show is actually pretty helpful in that respect, usually presenting a subtitle with the character's name when they first appear in a given episode.

>>717839536
>except battle scenes.
2010's frenetic cuts make smy brain feel weird

>>717839536
Yuan Shu is a lolcow

I never enjoyed dynasty warriors.

>>717839581
we're not ready for this conversation

TODAY IS IDIOT DAY

>>717839669
Good news, you'll love Origins!

>>717839536
>Weird they would remove it tho I would think the show just increased interest in chinese culture and history.
>give me free product, it's in your best interest!
Are you a journo or an '''influencer'''?

>>717839536
It's been removed before, I'm sure it'll get reupped
If anyone is looking for different chinakino in the meantime this guy's channel has two Ming and Qing dynasty shows I've been watching lately.
https://www.youtube.com/@ChineseShowsTranslated/playlists
I liked Ming Dynasty 1566 a lot out of personal preference but I think Towards the Republic is objectively really good, better than Three Kingdoms 2010. Its only real flaw is the scenes with foreign actors.

>>717839768
I like both. I miss the characters/extended story of the older games (not you, 9), but Origins is absolutely smashing too. Interested to see what DLC they're going to release for it, praying it's not just a custume set.

>>717833495
>>717833430 (OP)
>Oldfags
Fan favourite faction. Probably the best aesthetically and most fun to actually play, with their extremely powerful OC capability and being the only faction who can use Ascii Art. (especially the powerful triforce) They start from the best position, but degrade overtime as their mid and lategame power can't catch up very well with the other two factions, especially in terms of sheer manpower, and they generally need to close the game early if they want to win. Most likely to ragequit in disgust.
>Shills
Easily the strongest faction in terms of raw resources and manpower - explained in the story as receiving funding from factions external to 4chan, but can't use those resources very well and can't really create any threads with much effectiveness; they're more reliant on subhorning existing threads, which doesn't always work. Units are generally inflexible and can't adapt to changing circumstances, but can usually brute-force victories if they're willing to expend a lot of resources to do so. Overall competent but not super fun to play since winning requires using gimmicks like abusing the ban mechanics and moderator corruption (which the game explains badly) to win.
>Shitposters
Opposite to the Oldfags in that they have the weakest starting position but the potential to rapidly snowball and run away with the game. If the other players allow them to unlock the "soijak" technology they basically win. Not as much manpower as you may think but their units have a lot of bang for their buck; a 'schizo' unit can destroy an entire thread singlehandedly. Only real weakness is the ban and mod mechanics, and if those have been eroded (which, the shills can do as part of their gimmick) then they can basically run wild. Considered to be overpowered, and the playerbase have been asking the devs to nerf them for years, with no luck.

>Wei and Shu
The STRONGEST
>Wu
zzzzzzzzz

9 wasn't that bad
Discuss

>>717840384
Wrong.
/Discuss

>>717840384
It's the worst. Worse combat system than DW6 even.

>>717840563
Worst musoukino>>>>>everything else

>>717840384
Come the fuck on now.tiff

>>717839784
No I'm just a guy who thinks it's weird. It's not like there are any outlets that lets me buy the show so money goes to the ccp either.

>>717840384
The CHADpen world FILTERED MILLIONS

YELLOW SUN RISING!!
FREEDOM AND PROSPERITY SOON FELLOW TURBANS!

>>717840384
>play DW9 Empires
>marry Yuanji a month in without even fighting a single battle
>I achieved heaven on earth and there is no point in playing it anymore

>>717842020
RRRRRRRRRRRR

What's the most fun one? I head the first Zelda one is the one for most grinding but I tried it and the lack of mounts and instead the 'run after a few seconds' was weird to me

What's the second grindiest one?

COW COW YOU VILLAIN!

>>717842352
pick between 3, 4 and 5

>>717842402
He said fun not tedious slow walks through 5 stages time 20.

>>717842576
Yeah, I know, which is why I said 3, 4 and 5, which are fun walks full of murder and slaughter. Retard.

>>717842352
Three Hopes

>>717833430 (OP)
I don't care for most of his allies but I love this guy like you wouldn't believe

>>717842913
Why? I always felt he was such a joke of a character in the novels. He has like one singular cool moment when he is first hired and refuses to work. But then he just willingly goes to his death instead of just.. not doing that. Also he is known for being ugly. Him and kongming's wife are the only ones I know of that have their ugliness pointed out.

>>717842913
>ugly gremlin
>mid tier at best
Don't get it

>>717839864
Thanks for the rec my guy. I'll check it out. I'm a fan of Qing but know nothing about Ming.

>>717843140
>>717843234
I can't explain why it's just in my soul
overall I'm more of a wu man myself but can appreciate a lot of wei

Rank Empires

>>717843324
1. Yuan Shu (whatever he called himself I dunno. And although it didn't last long)
2. Wei
3. Shu
4. Wu (I still respect them though, it's just the way it dissolved at the end is so pathetic (extremely petty infighting), even more so than how Shu ended.)

>>717843556
I think anon said Empires spin offs

I like 8 the most due to combat.
9 Empires could've been interesting if it integrated open world with real time territory changes but this is KT, the maximum retards. So they've decided to remove the open world where it made sense and kept the one button combat lol

>>717838294
DW3 Sun Shang Xiang, DW7 Wang Yi, and DW8 Xing Cai are the hottest girls

>>717843556
I meant the empires games but I appreciate your assessment

I forgor how 6 and 9 play, quick refresher please

>>717844110
They don't

Instead of "sorry for lying," say this: >>717838882

>>717843556
>Yuan Shu (whatever he called himself I dunno. And although it didn't last long)
He supposedly called his faction Zhong but it's been pointed out that this may have been a stylistic name and not an intended state name and that despite the infamy of his supposed usurpation, Yuan Shu may not have actually finished the formal process to officially declare himself as Emperor of a successor state to Han.

For instance, 200 years earlier, Liu Xuan's group was stylistically called Gengshi (Another Beginning) and Liu Xiu was at once point called the "Tongma (Bronze Horse) Emperor" along the way to making the formal claim of being "Emperor of Han" of a restored Han dynasty.

>>717844850
Fucking saved

>>717837629
>betraying shu for no reason
They had a pretty important reason: they wanted to make a play for the big chair too.

The problem with Shufags is that they just naturally assume that everyone is just supposed to naturally want a Han restoration, and that no one is allowed to act in their own interests. Sun Quan always wanted to make his own claim to founding a successor state to Han, and to be quite honest he'd pretty much already de facto ended his alliance with Liu Bei in 217 when he officially surrendered to Cao Cao-controlled Han.

>>717837629
>for no reason
jing is rightful wu clay and guan yu was being a colossal faggot

>>717845487
GOD Yu is correct however

The three kingdoms series was great. I fucking love imperial court settings, but it's hard finding good series using the setting.

>>717845487
The idea of "rightful" clay is ridiculous because theoretically all the territory belongs to Han/Han's official successor state.

That said, I do pretty consistently see Shufags insisting that Wu was stupid to attack Shu in 219, saying this guaranteed the eventual victory of Wei. This is a stupid position to take because it treats acting in your own interests as stupid and acting against your own interests as smart. Wu's goal isn't Han restoration, Wu's goal is becoming Han's successor, and with that in mind, capturing Jing as soon as possible absolutely is the correct decision for that long term goal. This is verifiable just by looking at the trajectories of other states based in the Wu region in other periods of Chinese history. Every state that went with the "north first" strategy ultimately lost, because they eventually get overwhelmed by enemy states who control the high ground in the Jing/Chu region even if they do succeed in conquering the Xu region to the north. Wu admittedly did eventually lose with its "west first" strategy, but at least managed to hold out for nearly 60 years in the process, technically longer than either Wei or Shu even lasted. And one other state that started in Wu did succeed from the "west first" strategy where they conquered the Jing/Chu region first: the Ming dynasty.

>>717844954
Thanks my knowledgable guy, appreciate it! I knew, but had forgotten. Do you also know what happened to the seal? Cao Cao destroyed or kept it?

>>717846374
After Sun Jian found the seal in Luoyang and eventually gave it to Yuan Shu, who kept it. After Yuan Shu died and his would-be state collapsed, some of Yuan Shu's remnant followers ended up surrendering to Cao Cao, where the seal was returned to the Han Emperor. The Han Emperor then transferred to seal to the Wei Emperor as part of the ceremony of the Han-Wei transition, and then again to the Jin Emperor in the Wei-Jin transition.

After the chaos of the collapse of western Jin, the Seal's history gets uncertain, especially because it appears various factions commissioned the carving of replacement seals. By the end of the Southern-Northern dynasties period, the unifying Sui regime had an Imperial Seal that was probably a different one from the original Han one because the records of the inscriptions no longer match. That one was probably the one Ran Min gave to Eastern Jin and was used in the succession of the Southern dynasties, which then came into the keeping of Sui when the last Southern dynasty Chen surrendered to them.

Some real knowledgeable niggas in this thread. What got you guys interested in Chinese history? Dynasty Warriors?

>>717833430 (OP)
Who is the Lu Bu faction of /v/?

>>717847083
ikki tousen

>>717847083
I first got hooked on the setting when my cousin lent me a romance of the three kingdoms game for snes

>>717840186
>all this oldtroon wank
yikes...

>>717833574
>almost a century civil war
oh china!

>>717833430 (OP)
Who is the Lu Bu of /v/?

>>717847759
Nothing out of the ordinary. Look at the bongs and the frogs.

>DW 8 Xtreme Legends
>Ultimate difficulty
>Recapture of Chang'an
>this started to play
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyfdGpRhRzM
Holy cum.

>>717847883
how did the bongs fumbled it so bad?

The fact that the second world war deaths don’t come close to the Taiping rebellion always blows my mind.

When i was very young i played the one where two dudes fight while their ships are being sucked by whirlpools and 1st mission is like at some house/dojo looking place.

>>717847083
Knew some of the basics from dynasty warriors, then watched the 2010 show which changed so much of the "lore" that I got curious as to what "really" happened and whether dynasty warriors or the show were more accurate.

Now after 10+ years of study and looking at how terribly inaccurate record keeping can be even in modern times, all I can say is we can never know what "really" happened, just acknowledge that the historians of the past did the best job that they could with what they were given.

Total digression, but I shudder to think how the history books of the future will represent our own time. Doesn't matter how honest and upright the historians try to be when the raw data they have to work with has been so badly mangled by either incompetents or outright bad actors like journalists who have no problem shamelessly lying with out any care for what it will do to posterity.

>>717833574
did the entire kerfuffle start because of the yellow turban rebellion? if so then its funny how 200 years of war was caused by a group who didnt even last 5

>>717848031
Taiping rebellion was 3 times longer.

>>717848067
>Total digression, but I shudder to think how the history books of the future will represent our own time.
I'm living in our time already and even people right now can't get things right. Look at all the media coverage of 4chan for the last ~18 years. God only knows the future and God only knows the past!

>>717833574
Lu Bu didn't last very long.
He wasn't even around for the 3 kingdoms.
Why is he so important in dynasty warriors games?

>>717848142
still 30-40 millons death with just old cannons and guns is insane desu

>>717848070
Hard to necessarily say "because" as that leads into the whole problem of alt history, but the consequences of the rebellion did contribute to the setup of Han collapse: increasing decentralization of political power, large scale damage to Han infrastructure, increasing militarization on local levels, increasing loss of faith in Han legitimacy from even metaphysical and religious perspective

>>717847983
>that part where Cao Cao and all of his guys trap you inside the city while Liu Bei and all of his guys ambush Chen Gong
Literally everyone comes barging in to try and stop you. It felt great.

>>717848023
French specced into crossbows and had God mode hax.

>>717848269
A lot of it was starvation due to sieging and cutting off routes.

>>717848259
At the very least we can hope for some honest scholar like Pei Songzhi to leave a comment "the story as told makes no sense," or maybe even get lucky enough to find and present an alternative account that's more accurate.

>>717845487
>Chinese chants intensify

>>717848536
I wanna buy one of those laser printers and a bunch of rock/steel slabs to print random misinformation onto. Those future history nerds will seethe so hard at eachother and the sources kek.

>>717848498
This. Starvation and disease are the real killers.

Circling back to 3K, even the Wu records acknowledge that the majority of the damage done to Cao Cao's army at Chibi was from disease, not battle. Cao Cao had enough of a surviving fleet left to burn himself when he needed to retreat back north.

>>717848265
Let's be honest, most of the Three Kingdom stories that people care about are from before the three kingdoms actually formed. Reminder that the era didn't actually start till Cao Cao died and Cao Pi ended the Han Dynasty.

>>717846314
>Shufags insisting that Wu was stupid to attack Shu in 219
Well you said it yourself. It's just the biased Shuggots. The eternal victims.

>steals land from cousin
>tries to steal jing
>grandslams his son
why is this big eared sandal making nigger the BENEVOLENT one

>>717848797
There are some pretty cool stories in the period proper, but they're also kind of depressing. It's almost all stories of talented men giving it their all just to fail spectacularly.

One thing I noticed recently while rereading the period of Zhuge Liang's death is that his nephew Zhuge Ke's main career pretty much started the same year that Zhuge Liang died, so if someone wanted to tell a longer scale epic story, they could do a transition from Zhuge Liang to Zhuge Ke, portraying Ke as kind of like Liang's successor. But you can't because Zhuge Ke's story then ends in an anti-climax where he utterly fails a year after coming to power.

trannies, normalfags, incels

>>717848070
Somewhat. The yellow turban rebellion itself didn't directly accomplish a whole lot but the actions the government took to put them down did. It empowered the local warlords who gained status and fame and then used said status and fame to carve out their own kingdom.

>>717847083
I got a hand-me-down copy of Age of Empires II as a kid, later on I played Europa Universalis 2 and eventually got into other historical games. I think if you have a general interest in history you eventually become interested in Chinese history, their history is so long and well-documented that it's hard to ignore. You also end up there if you're interested in Japanese history because really they were just LARPing as the Tang for centuries.
There are other ways of getting into it too, like being interested in WW2 history then learning WW2 really started in China and the war of resistance is pretty interesting. Or getting into wuxia/xianxia shit and then wanting to see what the actual historical culture was like.

>>717849780
>It empowered the local warlords who gained status and fame and then used said status and fame to carve out their own kingdom.
It's actually interesting to see a sort of "generation gap" with regards to this. There's a story that after Huangfu Song successfully crushed the rebellion, someone told him that he should use his military power and prestige to replace the incompetent Emperor Ling Liu Hong, but Huangfu Song immediately dismissed the idea as insane. Years later, when Dong Zhuo seized power in a coup and summoned Huangfu Song to Court, removing him from his position of military power, someone advised Huangfu Song to refuse the summons and instead lead his armies against Dong Zhuo, but Huangfu Song insisted that raising troops against Dong Zhuo would be rebellion against Han, and therefore gave up his military command and went to the capital.

In some ways, yellow turbans was not just setup for the collapse of Han, but also the last gasp of Han competence, to have been able to crushed the rebellion relatively quickly and effectively.

>>717847983
DW8 was KINO all around. Last time I had fun with DW.

The ultimate DW game would be

>Empires
>DW battles (without the shitty player-army-always-tiny-and-sucks design choice)
>Mount&Blade style real-time overworld & simulation (officers collecting troops, armies being formed, no anti-player bias/very limited ai cheating etc)

It would be such a good combination

>>717850179
This is such a peak moment in games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYHuWg56CE
8 had really good cutscenes overall.

ENTER!

>>717850179
dw8 had the most linear/scripted battles in the whole franchise were you just get thrown new objectives every 30 seconds and if you personally don't deal with it your side basically does nothing.

It's not kino in the slightest

>>717850368
Eternally based.

Was 9E as bad as the steam reviews suggest?

>>717850580
>dw8 had the most linear/scripted battles in the whole franchise
DW7 was worse in that regard. Much worse.

>>717850580
I don't care what AI mooks do. I play this game to kill everything not depend on the CPU to carry battles like some cuck.

>>717849809
I wish Indian history wasn't just "make an empire, decentralize too hard, get shitrekt, repeat"

>>717851093
To be fair to the Indians, you can oversimplify almost any history to that cycle. What's interesting is the details of how the empire was founded, how it decentralized too hard, how it got rekt, and how someone picked up the pieces, not the overall cycle

Obviously GODrigins is the game in which you are by far the STRONGEST, downright invincible even, but aside from 1 (lol), in which one are you the WEAKEST (relatively obviously since even the worst move sets are comically overpowered when compared to any other game)

>dw1
It doesn't count
>but
it doesn't count

>>717850762
It's not bad but it is a missed opportunity

>>717852031
>in which one are you the WEAKEST
DW2. Limited moveset and you get annihilated by peons if you're alone. You're basically an upgraded peon.

After DW2 it's DW4. You're not necessarily weak but the enemy officers are chugging buffs every second.

>>717833430 (OP)
>waifustan
the faction is comprised entirely of female officers, and while it has many troops it rarely expands its territory because they spend most of their time finding the best angles for photos instead of fighting

>doomers
rarely hold any land of their own, instead they spend their time in other factions land making shit up to spread strife

>adventure feelers
well meaning, this faction wants to do good in the world but find themselves frequently seeking new territories and then abandoning them when they don't live up to the "feel" they eternally seek.

>boomers
>large & powerful, they've seen every rise and fall in the land of /v/idya. While large, internally there's factions pulling it in different directions from those that have almost given up hope for the land to those that wish to impose their will upon all others no matter the cost

>zoomies
large, but struggle to find a coherent vision for the land due to varying views and a lack of leadership & willpower

>>717850179
>"Chen Gong, you are capable of seeing that which I can't. I expect you to continue providing me with that service."
Peak and heartwarming coming from him

>>717849780
This happens a lot of times in Chinese history. Rebellions have to be put down, governors/generals/viceroys are given leeway to do this, then they become warlords and tear the country apart. Or the rebels themselves become warlords because the military is too weak. The Tang and the An Lushan rebellion, the Yuan and the Red Turban Rebellion, the Ming and Li Zicheng's rebelllion, the Qing and the Taiping/Boxer rebellions.

The most interesting thing is they were self-aware about this. Chinese officials studied history obsessively and knew this all happened several times already. Yet they kept falling for it, like there was no other choice. They knew peasant revolts ended dynasties, yet they never actually met the peasants' needs or addressed the root causes of their rebellions. They knew military officials became warlords and seized power, yet kept relying on them anyway.

Only the Ming chose a different path, knowing how dangerous the military could be if generals amassed their own power base, they kept it chronically underfunded and marginalized. But this only meant they became so corrupt and worthless they couldn't even stop their own peasant rebellion. They never even made it to the "warlord" phase, they simply folded to the peasant king Li Zicheng, who founded a new dynasty that lasted about four months, before the Manchu swept them all away.

>>717850179
>>717853560
Play as Lingqi at the Battle of Dingtao sometime, goose bumps

>>717833430 (OP)
>Bought total war 3Ks on release day
>played it for 30 minutes
>uninstalled
I had never done this with a game before, such a waste of money.

>>717835850
got to give him credit for lasting so long considering he was surrounded by all sides.

>>717833574
>Gongsun Du
based

>>717833430 (OP)
>then the 7 princess happened, that ruined everything and ended up getting raped by barbarians and mongols.

and these chicks still have the nerve to call themselves "HAN" chanciness.

>>717851093
That's the history of every empire. Across Eurasia most of the world shares this same cycle of history, western Europe is the only exception because it never saw another empire after the Roman one collapsed. Except the brief attempts of Charlemagne and Napoleon anyway. This is also why western Europe ended up modernizing first and colonized the whole world, they were in constant intense competition and created perfect conditions for things like capitalism and modern weapons industry to appear.

>>717839864
>the scenes with foreign actors
Absolute kino thoughbeit
The whole series is excellent, I'll second your reccomendation

I'VE TAKEN OUT AN OFFICER!

>>717847983
>everyone can kill me in one hit
>i can kill everyone in a few hits

adrenaline was pumping hard.

>>717854309
Pipe down Attila the Moor.

>>717853687
Cool posts bro. /v/ can be pretty good sometimes.

>>717853687
>The most interesting thing is they were self-aware about this. Chinese officials studied history obsessively and knew this all happened several times already. Yet they kept falling for it, like there was no other choice.
Sometimes, when the critical choice comes, you might realize that "letting nature take its course" is actually the best thing to do because trying to avert it is just going to create more problems. So sometimes you actually had accelerationist types who would try to push toward the next phase of the cycle.

>>717854309
>FODDERumi
Not even All-Stars peon level.

MusouChads are bvlls and barasissies are cucks but what are the ripoff players

Is this proof that /v/ is filled with chinks?

>>717856715
DW has been going for 25 years, it has always had a smallish but loyal western following since the ps2 days long before the recent rise of gaming in the east

>>717856715
Chinks barely know anything about their history.

>three kingdom slop
the Warring States period was better

WU GODS

For the Origins DLC, if there's only 1 hypothetical route will it be Lu Bu or Yellow Turbans?

I'd guess Lu Bu, but I thought his presentation in Origins was just...OK? standard Lu Bu, with only his death cutscene being a standout (and by standout I mean maybe the best cutscene of any DW game). Zhang Jiao in comparison got such a glowup, it would be interesting to see how his rise would play out.

>>717855107
I think it's more that the system becomes so powerful and self-perpetuating that even if you try as hard as you can to oppose it, no one man is able to fix the problems. These massive empires require incredibly stable systems but they're so stable they become terminally rigid and moribund. The crushing might of institutions stomps out will to reform. The late Ming shows this perfectly. Zhang Juzheng and Qi Jiguang were so aggressive in trying to reform the country that they made enemies of everyone. But in the end they could only chip at the margins, and once they fell from power the corrupt system continued as usual.
It's less like humans letting nature take its course, and more like humans being powerless against the course of nature. Of course we'd then rationalize this as somehow a virtuous and purposeful choice. Maybe glorify inaction and isolate ourselves like the Taoist Jiajing emperor, or appeal to morality like the neo-Confucians in the late Qing trying to resist change.

I think of this when I look at our modern societies' problems. Lots of people have screamed about change since the Great Recession, good or bad, but nothing ever seems to fundamentally change. One book about the late Ming says
>If the dynasty did not collapse at this point it was largely because no alternative to it existed. In an immense yet noncompetitive empire such as ours, the establishment continued to exist through mere inertia.
Sometimes I wonder if we're also just rolling forward on inertia, waiting for some disruption to forcibly rip the rotten foundation out from under us.

>>717857665
Yellow Turbans deserve some justice after the decades of humiliation.

>>717836931
>>717836976
There sort of was a "4th kingdom" for about a year or so when Gongsun Yuan declared independence from Wei

>>717833430 (OP)
They've all got great generals but I always start out with Shu just because Zhang Fei is my favorite

>>717839236
>work hard to earn a place in lord Cao Cao's army
>become a prodigious warrior, general and strategist whose accomplishments are recorded in history books
>centuries later you are depicted as a flouncing girl-man who ice skates around fighting with big claws

>>717858973
Karmic retribution for betraying Yuan Shao

>>717856715
DW is unironically Japanese clay

>>717853687
>yet they never actually met the peasants' needs or addressed the root causes of their rebellions
Literally how

Reminder that ancient Chinese rulers were Indo-Europeans from the steppes. This is why they're forbidden to look inside the tombs.

>>717859625
gene testing keeps turning out the same result:

>>717859625
>>717859693
Shang archaeological sites show that the Shang regularly warred with the Indo-European steppe peoples, and captured Indo-Europeans were regularly turned into human sacrifices.

>>717859625
w-we... WE WUZ CHANGS??

>>717856715
This is proof that you're a newfag nigger.

>>717860216
We wuz Shangtsungs

>>717859425
Redirecting some of the absurd excesses of the upper class to basic relief would be a start. Or successfully redistributing land. It all boils down to rolling back wealth inequality, which always happened at the start of a dynasty but always re-concentrated itself by the end.

The founder of the Ming was famous for purging nobles, parceling out the estates of big landowners, cutting taxes on the peasantry, and demanding austerity from the officials. But by the end of the dynasty his own descendants formed a new class of parasitic nobles, landowners had consolidated property again anyway, low tax revenue left the treasury empty, and the officials made money through corruption rather than their starvation-level salaries. The common theme is concentration of wealth. It always leads to rebellion which either spells doom, or leads to warlords that spell doom later.

>>717859413
Made in Japan for China.

>>717861047
IIRC this nigga tried to implement some neat reforms, beneficial for the peasantry. His brothers burned him though.

I haven't gotten around to playing Origins yet, how was it?

>>717861489
Pretty great mechanically but lacking in some crucial features. Maybe wait for the DLC before you play it.

>>717861489
Beyond Elder God tier if your fav weapon made it in

>>717861721
Depends. Some weapons play like shit. Like podao or fists. But some are indeed godlike, like sword and staff.

>>717861081
>Steam/PC is Chinkland
And water is wet, anon. Congrats on finding out.
The sort of person that plays these games in Japan isn't part of the modern youth that got roped into buying a PC like their favorite Vchuubaa.

>>717862153
Podao and Fists are kino and God tier, staff is the only merely great weapon

>>717856715
I’d wager that the East Asian history dorks here are 90% white

>>717862297
Sure, that's one way to cope I guess. What's next, KT's ROTTK series is also mostly played on cucksoles by the Japanese?

Dunno why "mostly Chinese buy 3K games including DW" is a controversial statement. Especially now when they're promoted on ChinaJoy and getting marketed with Chinese dubs. Do you feel dirty there might be Chinese ITT and have to appeal to fake weebmutts like >>717856715?

>>717856715
History buffs come in all shapes and sizes dude. I'm as white as they come and I love all sorts of history, but in particular Rome, chinese and scandinavian. Chinese being my big fascination the last 10 years. The philosofies and how they shaped the culture there is mad lit. As in mad literature! They were bonkers. (much like other socities, but still that's what makes it so interesting.)

>>717833430 (OP)
Wu

DW threads are great because it invites both musou and historians into one place. Perfect harmony.

I'M AN AXE MAN
YEAH I'M AN AXE MAN

Every time I think of Romance of the Three Kingdoms or something related to it, I like of that really hot scene from Prison School when Mieko crushes the nerd's fancy chinkaboo statue with her enormous ass.

>>717865318
>dies to some officer
Not the kind of end I expected for a man like him.

>>717865440
everyone jobs out to illness, an arrow wound, or death from some random. that's just how it be.

>>717833430 (OP)
For me, its xu shu

>>717865440
>>717865550
Xu Huang died of illness as an old man in 227.

>>717847759
It happened in rome too, wars only sped up thanks to industrialism

>>717865550
Not EVERYONE

>>717865386
me too sometimes heh.

>>717865671
Right, it was Zhang He who got arrowed

>>717839536
Figured I would just post the clip since it's on youtube. I love this scene like you wouldn't believe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KmvU0VxES4&ab_channel=ThreeKingdoms

>>717866242
Based on a historically recorded event, but as an autist I feel like all the embellishments of the later folklore retellings end up undermining it.

>>717848748
You're going to trigger something like the 'Old vs New Edition' controversy during Han dynasty times.

Yeah, even in the Han dynasty there were history-archaeology scholarly controversies. Some guy supposedly dug up and found old alternate versions of a bunch of classic texts, triggering a whole intellectual war over those who believed these were authentic older versions and the received ones were inferior reconstructions or censored versions, and those who believed the received ones were authentic and the discovered ones were forgeries.

>>717856715
I'm Chinese american, but the only part of chinese history I'm into is 3k. Otherwise, im a huge fan of 1800s to 1939 europe b/c of vic 3

>>717856715
i'm just some cracker who likes DW

>>717833430 (OP)
I loved 3 as a kid, but only ever played it in liked 12 hour sessions with a buddy at his house. Was 4 a good upgrade on ps2 or should I stick with 3?

>>717833430 (OP)
This thread is claimed by Eastern/Sun Wu.

Sometimes I accidentally read xanxia or wuxia because people don't tag their shit.
There is something fucking weird about them. Just the way they do their world makes it always seem like a fever dream. The world only exists within the immediate vicinity of the protagonist.

What is about the chinese that causes this? Usually its just crap writing but this seems to be a defining characteristic of this genre.