Thread 717854154

>no boss select
>no boss weapons
ngl, this feels pretty underwhelming from my first impressions. it's not mega man anymore.

>>717854154 (OP)
There is a boss select but you can only select four at a time and you have no idea which one you're picking until you've played the game prior. It's still Megaman but not very good Megaman.

>>717854154 (OP)
>it's not mega man anymore.
Correct, it's zero.

>>717854154 (OP)
The sequels are better and more similar to classic Megaman
The main difference is that you don't get powers from defeating the bosses unless you fulfill a requirement first, in Zero 2 and 3 it's getting an A rank, in Zero 4 it's playing with difficult weather

>super high effort art
>for smudgy GBA pixels with no backlight

>>717854994
ever hear of a worm light moran

Boss select isn't really any different than stage select, but they do give you the boss portraits back starting from the second game. Zero getting new weapons is the exception and not the rule though, that's Megaman/X's thing, he gets different attacks for his base moveset instead.

X perfected the formula and they kept fucking up more and more
>picking between powerups bullshit
>hostage bullshit
>rank bullshit
>grinding exp for weapons bullshit

>>717857867
Inti doesn't know what they're doing when it comes to game developing. That's why Capcom dropped them.

>>717854154 (OP)
Use the elves and get new weapons from the scientist

>>717854829
This.

ok but Fairy Leviathan tho

>>717858420
>Grind crystals for hours
lol

>>717858420
Fuck that, just skip this game and play Zero 2 instead.

>>717854154 (OP)
>No boss weapons
Second game sort-of gets them, but they're not guaranteed. You need to beat the major bosses while maintaining a high enough grade/rank for them to unlock.

It's hilarious seeing how many staples of the series they changed in MMZ from Classic/X just for the sake of it, only to realize how dumb and detrimental it was and turn it back in the sequels.

Am I the only ever autist to stick to the xbuster and zsaber almost exclusively even for bosses?

>>717858607
Yes.

>>717857867
Only the first two games had weapon grind and Zero 3 was so lenient with ranks that you have to be total dog shit at Mega Man games to even complain about it

>>717859672
>Zero 3 was so lenient with ranks that you have to be total dog shit at Mega Man games to even complain about it
You could only take like 3 hits of damage before your S rank is completely voided and that's IF you've done the mission objective that the game doesn't tell you about.

Zero 3 is the best and you know it

>>717854154 (OP)
The rods were fucking cool and deserved to come back.
That's my entire opinion of the Zero series.

>>717860024
If you're going for S ranks then you wouldn't be complaining anyway since you have to be a scorefag to want S ranks. You only need A ranks for the EX weapons and Zero 3 made A ranks lenient compared to Zero 2. The Zero games also only take into account your total rank, which is an average, so if you do the early stages well enough then you can afford to fuck up the later stages without it tanking your score too hard.

>>717860024
Actually it's 6 hits so even if you play like shit you will get A rank which gives you the bosses weapons

>>717860725
You are missing out on content if you're not S ranking every stage. Just because you don't need to doesn't make it any less of a valid criticism.

>>717859672
Ranking is garbage no matter what, if you want to punish the player for getting hit, implement one-hit death instead of a health bar.

>>717860810
>6 hits
6 damage. Which is about 2 or 3 hits before you start losing points.

>>717860964
I thought the damage limit was like 15 hp (Assuming perfect scores on the other criteria)

>>717860909
>Xtranny got filtered
Just git gud, it's not that hard, don't get hit, kill stuff and finish the stage fast.

>>717861235
No, it's 6 bars to get 100p.

>>717861359
>Yeah just don't get hit from shit that aggro'd on you off screen that you can't react to.
lmao

>>717861235
>In MMZ1, you first lose 1 rank point for taking 4 points of damage, and then 1
rank point for every 3 points of damage onward.
>In MMZ2, you first lose 1 rank point for taking 6 points of damage, and then 1
rank point for every 5 points of damage onward.
>In MMZ3 and MMZ4, you first lose 1 rank point for taking 7 points of damage,
and then 1 rank point for every 6 points of damage onward.
Note that in general attacks do more damage in the later games, so it's not necessarily as more lenient as it looks at a glance
I slightly misremembered how strict it was so just getting A rank shouldn't be to bad.

>>717861432
Does that aspect get better from Z2 on? I almost S ranked Z1 (Dropped at the boss rush) and i loathed how much rote memorization I had to do for each enemy rushing out of nowhere

>>717861627
>Does that aspect get better from Z2 on?
lol no. Hell no. That shit carries on into ZX.

>>717860909
If the stages were long I’d be mad about the ranking, but in Zero 2 and Zero 3 the stages are the perfect length to constantly retry from the start imo. My complaint would be that lives are worthless because I’d rather start over from the beginning of the stage rather than from a checkpoint.

>>717854154 (OP)
>No boss select
Game lets you choose from multiple stages after the 2 opening stages

>>717854994
Daily reminder that Nakayama tooru drew loli scat hentai prior to this

>>717858726
You don’t need to grind at all, i beat the game with just the pistol and the basic elves
>>717858817
Every game after Zero 1 is piss easy

>>717861953
Lolicons usually have highly distinct art styles when they’re tasked to do games. Himukai Yuji and Takehito Harada are the other artists off the top of my head.

>>717861359
>defends speedrun garbage
>calls others tranny

>>717861953
he's real good tho

>>717854154 (OP)
that's because it's better than megaman, it's megaman zero, the apex of the franchise

>>717854154 (OP)
Z1 is the worst game in the series. Zero is also the worst series in general. Fucks with the formula and makes it too chuuni and autistic. Still, even the later (still shitty) ones are better than Z1.

>>717854154 (OP)
I still remember the weird interconnected map they did for Z1, which nobody liked. And then they brought it back for ZX1, which again nobody liked. Were they trying to make Metroidvanias?

>>717862465
i loved it, i wish they committed to it instead of bitching out, the sequels are uninspired slop compared to the original zero

>>717861953
And thats why hes one of the best artists that worked for the series.

>>717858420
>>717858726
>>717859672
There is no grind in Z1. Just because you can do it doesnt mean you have to because you can always just get better and try to clear the stage with what you have which is completely possible.

>>717860024
>the mission objective that the game doesn't tell you about.
Maybe read the dialogue you dunce

>>717862465
ZX was at least better than Zero 1 though.

>>717860909
How are you being "punished" for getting hit? Like what is the "punishment" exactly? Be very specific.

>>717862719
>Maybe read the dialogue you dunce
Dialogue doesn't tell you anything about the objective other than story narratives. For example: you're never told to hit all the switches in >>717854994's stage to lower the water for 100p objective. You just have to kinda figure that out.

>>717862465
ZX is great. No idea what they were going for with Z1 but ZX was aiming for Metroidvania territory for sure.

>>717862838
its megaman... the objective is get to the end of the fr*cking level..

>>717862754
A lower score, duh. Try THINKING a bit first.

>>717863495
You're not very literate, are you?

>>717863898
says guy who needs instructions on how to beat a megaman game.... have u tried shooting the boss until it dies??

>>717863565
That's not a punishment. That's just an assessment of your performance, based on various goals used as markers.

A punishment would be something bad being done to you for failing to meet the goals.

>>717864301
Oh you're retarded. Carry on then.

>>717865061
"ur retarded" - guy who doesn't know how to move right in a side scroller

>>717863484
>but ZX was aiming for Metroidvania territory
And failed miserably

When I tried to play this game it took me forever to beat the first boss and I immediately fell into spikes afterwards and game over'd. Haven't touched the game since.

Zero fights on in my heart

>>717857867
X has all of that

>>717861791
>>717861627
>>717861432
lmao you must suck at games.

The Zero series is consistently decent but that's it. The only one above a 6/10 is Zero 3 and that's a 7/10

>>717854154 (OP)
And that's a good thing. Part of megaman's problem was how many games they dumped out that were basically copy pasted clones of each other until everyone was exhausted. Then they fucking killed him until they did it all over again and now he's basically dead in the water.

>>717861953
I did NOT need to know this

>>717854154 (OP)
Zero just has zealot fans that got addicted to overly punishing game design and screen crunch. Inticreates have never made a good game.

>>717868456
>overly punishing game design and screen crunch.
which youtuber did you get this from

>>717854994
I only played the collection on my dsi where all the art was on my bottom screen to admire. Where did you see it in the original GBA versions?

>>717869007
I'd like to know too because he's absolutely correct.

>>717854994
>Build autonomous, breathing robots
>build more autonomous, breathing, eating robots to build more autonomous, breathing, eating robots
>build more robots to do literally everything. We need robot cooks, we need robot waiters, we need robot onions, we even need robot judges. We need like eight robot judges.
>Wait why did the world run out of electricity
They deserved it. They deserved all of it.

Zero 2 was my favorite due to how fucking fun and sadistic stages could get.

Which game lets me fuck Leviathan

>>717868456
Zero games aren't even that hard. The only punishing one is Z1 but all the other ones are really easy Z3 being the easiest due to access to the shadow dash.

>>717854154 (OP)
boss select is the mission menu
It's like Megaman and Bass where beating a starting guy unlocks another guy after him

>>717854154 (OP)
git gud fags
https://youtu.be/-ZOwiB1qWXY

>>717873261
I'm not learning speedrunner tech for a kusoge, get the fuck outta here with that garbage.

>>717873316
>unwilling to learn basic combos
>whines about difficulty
lmao filtered

>>717873403
>whines about difficulty
I'm not whining about difficulty. These games are perfectly doable but that doesn't excuse the retarded amount of bullshit in them.
>lmao filtered
Not an argument.

>>717873630
>redeemer
Saaar I'm not being filtered saaar

>>717873630
>retarded amount of bullshit in them.
Such as?

>>717874384
Such as bullshit aggroing onto you from off screen, having upgrades that punish your ranking for using them, weapon and elf grinding, the screen crunch. That's just some stuff off the top of my head. If I were to nitpick every glaring flaw each game had then I'd be here all night and I do not care enough about MMZ to do that.

>>717874661
and yet here you are

>>717874661
Other than the dogs in the temple in Z1 are there even other enemies that do that?
>punishing for "upgrades"
Yes, if you use easy mode your rank decreases, what's wrong with that? Z4 added baby mode cyberspace for gamejourno tier gamers like you.

>>717854154 (OP)
Just play the game retard

>>717873630
fake and gay

>>717874661
>having upgrades that punish your ranking for using them, weapon and elf grinding, the screen crunch.
All of those are baby mode and you're not supposed to abuse them hence why those decrease your rank. Why do you think hard mode just keeps your weapons at lv 1?

>>717874790
>Other than the dogs in the temple in Z1 are there even other enemies that do that?
Off the top of my head, the fish enemies in Z3. There's a lot of enemies that do that, especially in Z1. The wheel things are notorious for it.
>Yes, if you use easy mode your rank decreases, what's wrong with that?
It's not an easy mode. You don't select it before you start the game. It's bad game design. Again, I don't need it. >>717873630
You fags need to find some other response to parrot.

It warms my heart that there isn’t a single Mega Man sub series where people don’t bitch and moan endlessly about:
>what the best game is
>which series is objectively superior
>if the series is even good to begin with
>if Mega Man in general even good to begin with
Every thread, without fail. For a franchise where only ONE (1) GAME OUTSOLD DMC2. It’s amazing.

>>717874945
>The wheel things are notorious for it.
The wheels you can oneshot with your saber? How fucking bad are your reflexes?
>I-I don't need it
You probably just abused save states like a bitch lmao
>I-It's not easy mode
It certainly isn't available ik hard mode lmao

>>717862059
>>717862719
If you casually play you'll maybe have enough to use a few small, mostly useless elves by the end of the game. You absolutely have to grind if you want to use them, but then if you do they completely negate all the challenge. The elves were strangely implemented.

>>717875046
DMCtranny yet again cannot go one thread regarding a Capcom title and making it about DMC

>>717875084
>The wheels you can oneshot with your saber?
You cannot one shot them unless you mean charge shot. A single swipe isn't going to kill them.
>You probably just abused save states like a bitch lmao
You can't save state in the legacy collection, retard.
>hurr durr I'm fucking retarded
We know.

>>717875130
calm down retard, it was a joke about how Mega Man games have never sold well

>>717875412
Jokes are usually funny and don't require the punch line being explained

>>717875454
Not my fault you’re a hysterical retard who needed a joke explained to him because he lets some other franchise live rent free in his head

>>717874945
>waaaaah mommy I can't just press pause and kill everything in the screen waaaah
Go play your classic slop then.

>>717875712
>hurr stop critiquing the only game I could afford growing up in Mexico *shits aggressively*
What did he mean by this?

>>717875231
>you cannot one shot them
Jump slash then do a reversal and you one shot them retard. See how learning the basics of combos and techs is useful?

>>717875770
>filtered fag is brown no sabo kid
kek every time

>>717875789
Again, I don't like this game enough to invest into tech. Get the fuck over it. I can quick kill every boss in OoT with tech, that doesn't mean that I expect the average player to learn it no matter how easy it is. That's fucking retarded.

>>717875747
These shit heads are pretty easy to manage once you learn to jump slash instead of just dash slashing.

>>717875908
>OoT
FIgures you only like casual baby slop lmao is it really so hard for you to do a jump slash and then press left right in a quick succession?

>>717876042
I don't know. Is it really so hard for you do a jump slash and get ISG?

>>717875908
>retardbro needs techs to beat Ocarina
kekekekek stay mad brownoid