>>717944418 (OP)
you can't be a fan of a show or movie if you've never watched it so i don't see why video games are any different.

The people have spoken.

Can you be a fan of pussy if you've never had it?

>>717944497
You can watch a videogame though

>>717944545
Most /v/irgins seem to think so.

People "love" FF7 but don't even play their free games.

There are people losing their shit over this, aren't there?

>>717944545
judging by the amount of 'male allies' on Twitter and BlueSky I would say yes

>>717944497
you can watch a game tho
basically same experience

>>717944593
I wish someone loved me as much as Barry loves FF.

>>717944576
if it's a VN sure (not a real game) but watching a playthrough and actually playing a game are two different experiences.

this generation was such a fucking mistake

What happened to calling people like this posers?

>>717944607
not really. especially if the game is mostly gameplay.

>>717944517
I wish someone loved me as much as Larry loves Persona.

>>717944607

But you don't interact with vidya by watching it, you interact with it by playing it.
This is like saying can you be a fan of mcdonalds if you've only seen pictures of mcdonalds hamburgers or can you be a fan of sex if you've only watched porn.

>>717944749
>or can you be a fan of sex if you've only watched porn.
this will be the norm for men eventually.

>>717944418 (OP)
Football, baseball, basketball, soccer, chess, ping pong

>>717944418 (OP)
no and I hate that some people say yes. this is why our IPs are dying

Oh look, the subhuman finally got his intentions out.

>>717944517
Executions.
I'm no longer joking.

>>717944870
Chess is so easily accessible though, you can right now type chess.com in the adress bar and start playing

>>717944870
oh so you're a fan of esports then?

>>717944418 (OP)
Can you be a fan of a band you've never listened to?

>>717944951
No, nor a fan of any of those. Just answering the question.

I love the legacy of Kain franchise and the only ones I actually played were Soul Reaver 1 and defiance. I just watched the others on youtube

>>717945038

You love the franchise so much you won't even play its games?

>>717944951
I am however, a fan of dwarf fortress despite barely touching it

>>717945072
I played 2 of them

>>717945147

Why not the others? Do you find them boring?

>>717944418 (OP)
No, that concept is for moviegamefags, and smoothbrains that have nothing else better to do than watch nobody's play ramdom shit or moviegames
Gen 7 onward has been and is the worst thing to happen to gaming

>>717944990
women actually cry now about when people ask them about band tshirts they're wearing when they don't actually listen to the band. genuinely hilarious. this whole "you can be fan of x without experiencing it" shit is insanely woman brained stuff. zoom zooms are an entire generation of feminine men.

>>717945038
>the only ones I actually played were Soul Reaver 1
Thats the worst one to play unless you like doing 50000 block puzzles but really none of them are worth playing anymore. In hindsight I don't know how the fuck I tolerated beating them all multiple times.

>>717944990
I can be a fan of an instrument I've never played, with my listening to certain music being symptomatic of that fandom

>>717944418 (OP)
You can appreciate elements of a game you never played and don't really have any intention to.
Like finding an OST of strategy game really good despite disliking strategy games, liking an artstyle, writing, whatever element of a game you don't care about as a whole package.

But how the fuck can you be a fan of something as a whole if you never actually experienced it?

>>717945282
soul reaver 2 is actually the worst one to bother playing as it is a straight line cut scene simulator. there really is no reason to bother playing soul reaver 2 vs just watching it

>>717945353

I've never seen someone say "I love piano" but be unable to play it.

>>717945370
I feel like there's a lot of people who say they're a fan of a game (even one they have played) when they in fact have an affinity for one or more of the elements of that game, which they bring up if you ask them to elaborate. Someone being a fan of a game in its entirety with no notes seems rare whether they played it or not.

>>717945508
I have. Anectdotal deadlock.

>>717945196
the gameplay in all of the legacy of kain games is pretty boring. the writing and story and voice acting is the good part. the devs should just make an audio book sequel to defiance.

>>717945508
I love the piano and can't play it so there.

>>717945508
I enjoy piano despite not being able to play anything more complicated than chopsticks.

>>717944418 (OP)
me on left

>>717944418 (OP)
But why would you be a fan of a game if you never played it?
That's one thing I can't understand.

>>717944517
I wouldn't exactly consider them people.

>>717945897
clout. it's all zoomies care about.

>>717945897
The same reason posers exist

>>717945475
I don't mind the puzzles or even the forced combat sections in that one for whatever reason, I can basically speed run the game. Same applies to blood omen 2 which I still replay because I like kains vampiric sadism even though I don't really count it as part of the series. The other games are too tedious for me to enjoy anymore especially SR1, those block puzzles are too much.

>>717945897
There are all kinds of things I don't fully understand anon, but that doesn't stop those things from happening

>>717944418 (OP)
You can be a fan of the story, the art direction, the music, but a fan of the game as a whole? Hell no.
I like Frank Zappa as a person, I think he's an interesting guy, but I'm not a fan of his music because I've never listened to it. There's nothing wrong with making that distinction.

>>717945897
zoomers in all their feminization have adopted the female characteristic of performative interest
they can't or don't differentiate what they actually like versus what they pretend to like so that they can fit in on social media
assuming there's a difference between the two for them in the first place

>>717946151
>but I'm not a fan of his music because I've never listened to it.
why... don't you? it takes no effort.

>>717945897
Zoomers just like women feel the need to be part of everything without actually participating in anything.

>>717946207
This. Zappa is also pretty great, and he gets weird.

>>717945275
Women have been bitching about "name three songs" guys since 2006 wtf are you talking about?

Overwatch is my favorite game and I've never played it
I'm also a huge fan of League of Legends, Street Fighter, Resident Evil and Baldur's Gate 3 (no I have never installed any of them)

>>717946591
Well gatekeeping anything you had no hand in creating is pretty unattractive, regardless of gender, in my experience.

>>717944607
Only on fagstation

>>717944418 (OP)
Being really generous here, you can be at most a casual fan. By consequence your opinion should also matter less than those that experienced x franchise/installment fully.
But the reality is that many of those casual fans want to feel equal to the older fans/true fans.

>>717946591
i haven't had a full conversation with a woman unrelated to me in my entire 33 years of living. i only heard about this recently.

>>717946761
zero gatekeeping is part of why everything is shit nowadays. zoomies never lurked and it shows.

>>717944418 (OP)
how can you really be an enthusiast without engaging with the primary medium especially in something like vidya where player interaction is the whole point? I suppose it's possible but what's the point

>>717944418 (OP)
>>717944517
>I'm a big fan of sushi!
>No I've never eaten it, why?

>I'm a big fan of Metallica!
>No I've never heard their music, why?

>I'm a big fan of Van Gogh!
>No I've never seen his art, why?

>>717944721
When "gatekeeping" became a bad word.

>>717947254
Yes yes, the younger generation has made everything terrible just like every younger generation before them has been accused of doing

>>717947396
there was a very obvious change (for the worst) when zoomies came of age and took over 4chan and the internet at large.

>>717947503
Well that was bound to happen. The newer generation always takes over. And that's just gonna keep happening. It's just a part of life. Every generation will be more retarded than the last so don't expect things to ever get better. Especially when the old guard starts dropping from old age.

>>717947698
the legacy of literal boomers will be the most evil and greedy generation to ever exist in human history so there's that at least.

>>717947503
Change is among the most fundamental forces in the universe. Humans experiencing its inevitable march like to have scapegoats, and the differences you notice have as much to do with your own perception as it does outside forces.

>>717947905
Imagine the documentaries about how fucking badly boomers ruined everything.

>>717947503
>when zoomies came of age and took over 4chan

This is something i don't get. Zoomers are the most corpo bootlicking generation since the baby boomers. Why aren't they just using reddit or bluesky?

>>717948401
they use those too. who do you think makes all the leddit and twitter threads?

>>717944418 (OP)
Yeah, I'm a Touhou fan

>>717944418 (OP)
Only if it's something like a Telltale game or Life is Strange.

>>717944418 (OP)
Obviously, otherwise the Silent Hill community would've died in the 2010s.

>>717948401
They do, 4chan is the edgy dark web with the silly greentext stories that get millions of upvotes

>>717947905
True. Their selfishness will be remembered for a long time.

>>717945508
I love the pipe organ despite never touching one in my life

>>717944418 (OP)
Why can't people just play games? I can understand if it's brand new and you can't afford it but old shit that you can just emulate for free on a fucking potato you really have no excuse.

>>717949513
I'm too busy shitposting on /v/ to bother playing vidya

>>717945897
Because nowdays people care more about characters and story.

>>717949513
Emulating is scary to zoomers, that's why they needed to make Tik Tok videos about it.

>>717944593
>People "love" FF7 but don't even play their free games.
OG ff7 and dirge of cerburus are the only goof parts of ff7 the rest suck.

Those are called posers. You can't be a fan of something unless you engage with it in some meaningful way.

>>717949835
if that were true they'd engage with media far superior at that kind of thing than video games unless they're retarded or something

>>717949513
>Why can't people just play games?
They don't like games all they want is to part of a community and talk gamers where just the most accepting.

>>717949513
Maybe if it gets a remake unc

>>717950063
Nothing more pathetic than 'videogame' posers when videogames are already considered a loser activity

>>717949513
Most old shit is horrible to play though. It's not a good experience if you aren't used to it and even if you were around for it originally it's hard to go back. I'm not surprised some people want to be included in the "culture" around it but not actually play the thing because it is in fact not very good in terms of gameplay.

>>717949513
Brainrot from social networks (including this shithole)
Dual screen usage
Non exclusive phone usage
Tech illiteracy despite growing up with smart phones

>>717949513
You do realise half of them dont even know what emulating is right? You can go a decade back and these are the same people who would rather buy an iPhone and all the paid services than an Android

>>717950156
video games have been normalfag tier for like 20 years unc.

>>717950075
lol, have you seen the absolute state of books? Written fiction for example is so far down people are calling it a potential crisis.

>>717944418 (OP)
Yes. I'm a Silent Hill fan and I've only lightly tried the first 2 games over the years, they're a mixture of too scary or boring for me but I recognize they're probably good.

In spite of that, I keep considering myself a SH fan and I think most people do, it's a horror brand that pulls people with the name but I very much doubt most have played it, much less completed it.
The super scary town, music, and overall story are enough to love without playing the games.

Same for the Souls franchise, it's probably too hard for most people and I dropped Elden Ring at the middle but God knows I'm an Elden Ring fan.

>>717945353
Quit the pseud bullshit and name three songs.

>>717944418 (OP)
Hotline miami fans be like

>>717950156
Grandparents had Radio. Parents had TV. We had games. This Zoomer gen has mobile games and tiktok shite.

If you're a fan of something why wouldn't you want to personally experience it?

It's the equivalent of wearing a band's shirt or merch without listening to their songs. Sure you can be a fan of it but fan here means "generally like" rather than "fanatic"

>>717950383
BWV 911
BWV 912
BWV 913
What now, faggot?

>I love sucking cock
>"have you ever done it?"
>Nope.

>>717950514
>What now
Answer the original question like a normal person instead of a midwit.

>>717950506
No it isn't. Thats just fashion or random brands. Same as wearing a T Shirt with a Nike logo.

>>717944497
Star Wars. I find the movies severely bad and/or lackluster except for Episodes 3 and 7, those are the only ones I'd consider good movies.
Yet I'm a fan because it's epic. all the Skywalker turning into Darth Vader stuff, the Jedi order, the Sith..
No I haven't read the comics nor watched the cartoons. Though I did play the ps2 games. I'll call myself a Star Wars fan even while disliking how the movies were done, but that's what we have.


I think I'm the person Remakes are made for. I wish the first 6 movies got remakes by actually competent directors and writers, telling mostly the same story and characters without looking so cheap and the dialogue being so corny. I'm a fan but the right product doesn't exist yet for me to enjoy it.
Thinking about it, the remakes did that for Silent Hill 2, it made the game I love playable. It probably also happened to the RE games, I'm sure a lot of kids back in the day dabbed with the ps1 games and enjoyed the movies but couldn't fully get into the gameplay, but now they can enjoy the safer remakes.

>>717950614
Are you wearing Nike without being a Nike fan? Poser.

>>717944418 (OP)
>>717944497
>>717944517

We called them "posers" growing up

>>717949513
zoomers care more about the social currency that being able to talk about video games brings them than actually playing them which is why they just watch videos and streams about video games

>>717950576
>Doesn't know bach
Lel

I consider myself a fan of LA Noire and I've only seen the cutscenes. I think that's fair though since it's such a story-based movie game

>>717950663
Just wearing it because its a decent top. Thats it. The argument is moot anyway, funny thread though

>>717950731
Why won't you answer the question?

>>717944418 (OP)
Asked the earthbound and persona fans

>>717950757
> The game with driving, shooting and finding clues and conducting investigations, reading NPCs faces so you pick the right dialogue choices and solving mysteires is "A MOVIE GAMEEE BECUASE I WATCHED CUTSCENEEEES"

Zoomers should be brutally raped.

>>717950802
I did answer the question.

>>717950514
NTA but a classical composition is not a "song". It's a piece. A music piece needs vocals to be considered a song

>>717950718
This. Its just their entire generation has grown up online, so it's FOMO. They HAVE to be included some how or pretend to be. Like someone said earlier its just being a poser, except now social media gives them an even higher platform.

>>717950862
This but unironically, I don't want to spend 100 hours with an rpg but the music, characters and concepts are amazing

>>717944418 (OP)
Yes. I'd even go so far as to say that the prerequisite of being a fan of a game is only interacting with it via second hand. As soon as you're personally involved you become the actor/player.

Most Three Houses fans don't own a Switch.

>said "fans" of the series who never actually played it but just watched the cutscenes online

I have a friend who is a Type-Moon fanboy, his favorite character is Archetype-Earth, the guy plays only FGO, in japanese, he doesn't know japanese so he just checks the wiki for the story or something like that.
It shocks me despite how much he likes Type-Moon yet he refuses to read a single visual novel.
He knows Arcueid from what the wiki says, I know Arcueid from what she told me in the game, what I experienced from her.
Some people are just like this.

>>717944517
Rumao.

>>717950881
I am 1000% certain I am missing literally nothing by not engaging with the gameplay of LA Noire. Its open world and driving are notoriously empty and bare bones and no one plays LA Noire for the fucking shooting

>>717950918
I said "answer the original question", which you still won't do.

>>717951006

You're a fan of L.A. Noire yet you hate every single aspect of its gameplay?

>>717950946
Insane that a frognigger is the smartest character in this shit thread.

>>717950993
Me. Probably most in /fgog/.
Some are Fate fans and haven't even watched the anime

>>717950614
Except Nike's clothing is not auxiliary media, it is its main media. Now if you're buying Nike-themed cars then that's totally different.

>>717950983
Most online fandoms/ communities are cringe. They attract posers/fake fans who wear the community like a skin walker does an elk's skin, and autists who want to be liked by the posers.

>>717951082
But I did.

>>717951112
It's a story game. The point is the story, not the gameplay. It's hardly a step above a Telltale or David Cage game

>>717950657
>episode 7
Why not consider 4 good instead?

>>717951194
I made the mistake of scrolling through the Silent Hill reddit and it was all about concerns for "the fandom". We "can't let millenials gatekeep the fandom". Encouraging emulation is "bad for the fandom". Developers need to "listen to the fandom".

I hate this word.

>>717950983

>>717951420
These guys sound fucking based

>>717950156
Who told you that? Your bully or something?

>>717951205
No, you didn't. It's a simple yes/no answer and instead you muddied the waters.

>>717951420
Guess I'm glad I found the original PS2 game boring as shit.

>>717946312
recommend me something

>>717951673
Listing 3 songs isn't a yes or no. Your question has been answered. Cry about it.

>>717946591
And it should have stayed like that. Women ruin everything they pretend to take an interest in

>>717944418 (OP)

>>717951758
>ORIGINAL QUESTION
>>717944990

>>717951380
I don't understand their logic how "encouraging emulation is bad for the fandom". Is the "fandom" merely a branch of consumerism?

>>717944418 (OP)
The correct terminology would be, "poser."

>>717950194
Smart phones have a direct hand in making everyone tech illiterate. The easier something gets to use, the less you have to use your brain

>>717944517
I am a fan of 2hu because I like casually learning lore of the games and its characters. I will NOT play a saga of bullet hell to "be a true fan". Period.
I don't have a speedrunner level of masochism. :v
>>717951829
True. Trial and error is unbearable in this game. It's basically RNG every time you use your stupid coins. At least the game's story is interesting enough to make it worth watching.

>>717944418 (OP)
Yes.

>>717951852
Why are you talking to a redditor?

>>717950958
can confirm. am three houses fan and actually played the game at 4k 60fps. Nintendo hasn't recieved a dime on my account since my parents bought me a wii

>>717944418 (OP)
>>717944497
I'd argue you can be a fan of the world/setting even without having played the game/read the book/watched the movie. For example, I consider myself a fan of W40k but I never played the actual tabletop.
Maybe that zoomer read all of the GoW novels and fanfics in the world and played with Kratos action figures his whole life?

>>717944418 (OP)
>>717944517
Just proves my long-held theory that calling yourself a "fan" is retarded.

You can enjoy stuff without having to attach your identity to it. In fact that's probably preferable.

>>717949513
desu I kinda understand it a bit. They were born into the internet with the entire wealth of human history and art at their fingertips, and they have about 5000 different voices telling them what's good or bad or essential to consume so no shit it kinda fucks them up and they feel the need to watch movies at double speed or maybe dabble in a popular video game just to say they've played it. One thing everyone seems to have ignored in the globalism debate is that humans are only designed for living in small tribes and weren't meant to be this connected. Our desire for social validation gets fucked by the million other voices out there around the world that we suddenly have instant access to.

>>717950983
>>717951420
no torture would be too gruesome for these fucking faggots

>>717952179
You could make them play the games, and then they wouldn't be allowed to tell anyone they played the games.

This discourse got more retarded when Let's Plays became easily accessible.

Yes, people have always been "fans" of games they couldn't play, especially due to lack of English release or just being poor. I remember reading every Shenmue walkthrough I could get my hands on in 2000.

>>717952832
People nowadays have no excuse though, emulation and piracy have never been easier.

>>717947347
>I'm a big fan of sushi!
>No I've never made it, why?

>I'm a big fan of Metallica!
>No I can't their music, why?

>I'm a big fan of Van Gogh!
>No I've never recreated his art, why?

>>717953113
Its slowly becoming a lost art though, kids these days have no idea how to pirate etc. Unless it was passed down or they go out their way to self teach.

>>717953240
why are you equating playing a fucking video game to cooking and making art/music? playing a video game takes no effort while those other things take effort. just play the damn game little zoom zoom.

>>717953332
Japan is well known for being a progressive paradise.

>>717950657
i have never watched star wars
i enjoy the games and the aesthetic
so i wouldn't call myself a star wars fan per se but like...

>>717944418 (OP)
I like watching Starcraft tournaments but don't own the game. I just think it's impressive. Am I a fan of the game? Is someone who likes watching boxing but has never boxed a boxing fan? Or are the only boxing fans actual boxers? What does that make people who just watch it?

>>717950479
From what I gather from this thread, they like just some aspects of a product and aren't interested in everything else, so they experience the former how they can and put aside the latter. They like the former so much they thus define themselves "fans" of the product.

I don't really find a problem with that in itself, I don't do that myself but I do remember playing
some games of which I only liked the story and not the gameplay. If I could've experienced the story alone, maybe by watching a playthrough, I don't think I would've missed much.

They also define themselves "fans" to intregrate themselves in the community surrounding the product. Why else would someone define himself a fan?

The problem is: do these fans come out in the clear about how they experienced the product? Or on their lack of knowledge of some parts of the product? I mean, do the people that only watched a video on Silent Hill 2 actually come out and say "I'm a fan of SH2, but I only watched the game being played on a video?" when they interact with the community?

If they do, everything's fine and dandy, all is clear and the community is free to react accordingly. But that's not usually the case, is it?

The problem with these "partial" fans is that they almost never come out in the clear, they always try to pass themselves as someone who experienced the product as a whole. They do it in places like 4chan because, well, no accountability. Maybe in places like Plebbit because they know the hivemind is on their side. But in places exclusively dedicated to the product? I don't remember ever seeing these people ever come out in the clear, despite being able to tell by their opinions they didn't play the whole thing through themselves.

I think the crux of the problem is this: not why someone would define themselves a fan of something they didn't experience completely, but that they lie about it. As some other anon said, back in the day these people were simply called "posers".

>>717953309
That and depending on what you need emulated, there are still cases of abandoned or out of date emulators with few or no alternatives.

>>717949513
They're legitimately too stupid and scared to install an emulator and download roms despite it being one of the safest times to download old roms.
Plus they have hardly any motivation to play something unless it's the new thing everyone is talking about.

>>717953240
Each day I come here and it gets harder and harder to tell who is baiting and who is genuinely stupid.

>>717953652
At least you can be blissfully unaware of how fucked the story has become.

>>717953375
Im just playing devils advocate.
>why are you equating playing a fucking video game to cooking and making art/music?
literally read the fucking post im replying to moron. Anyway, I don't watch streamers but I find arguing over the OP topic pointless. Since the dawn of media you have had posers, this is no different.

>>717953375
>why are you equating playing a fucking video game to cooking and making art/music? playing a video game takes no effort while those other things take effort

Playing a videogame takes no effort FOR YOU because you've literally wasted most likely 100,000+ hours of your life on videogames. It's a skill like anything else. You just chose to focus on and lionize a skill that is virtually worthless in real life. Sorry!

>>717953880
Half the board is bots. Give it another decade and there'll be no point in going online

>>717953657

He respects the game so much that he will never know it, as playing it.

>>717949513
Actually sitting down and playing something doesn't give as much dopamine as constant tiktok videos, social media posts, etc. Its far harder to sit down with something, sit through its highs and lows, and to think for yourself.

>>717944517
"people"

>>717954058
The Steam discussion forums have a similar feature... that is promptly ignored both by the poser and the people that interact with him.
Such is life in the world of vidya.

>>717949513
Sorry unc I'm playing 6 gachas I don't have time

>>717955330
zoomers making fapping and gambling for anime titties their entire personalities is insufferable to be around.

>>717955407
fr I want to play da classics but fartshit impact and horseshit simulator just released summer skins I need to get them ong bussin the rizzler

>>717944418 (OP)
Most people have never read or played any form of 40k media outside of consuming Youtube videos about it and call themselves fans of 40k.

If you can be fan of something like 40k while being a secondary, why not games?

>>717944418 (OP)
I'm a fan of overwatch and will specifically not play it ever.

>>717944418 (OP)
Depends.
>product is exclusively a game
No.
>product is a multimedia franchise
Yes.
You can be a Warhammer fan without touching the tabletop or a Pokemon fan without playing the games.

>>717951363
I mean, perhaps. I remember it was nicely structured at the start, and for its time the spaceship battles were impressive, but the Obi Wan VS Darth Vader fight was quite disappointing.
Also too much pew pew before inside the ship..


Actually I'll concede it might be good, but the originals really weren't my cup of tea, they just devolve into Power Rangers laser pew pew too often for my taste (not fully sure if 4 was like that, but I do remember there were storm troopers with terrible aim)

>>717951363
>>717957235
Oh wait, you probably meant it as "it's just copying 4 so 4 is better". I found the Kylo Ren to be far more engaging and it stands up as a standalone movie (just pretend it never got sequels).
You have this imposing villain, who I think the temper tantrums really humanize, one of the old protagonists is his father and he's trying to bring him back to the light, will he or will he not..? Also the stormtrooper deflecting was interesting. I just found it way more engaging, the story presented to us and the character conflict. It helps that it's not trying to establish a new universe, but starts off strongly from the get-go because we already know the franchise.
It having 40 years of film-making and technology over Episode 4 also helps, that final duel on the snow looked amazing and we all wanted Kylo to go down after killing his dad, Chewbacca fucking shoots a hole through his torso and he jumps pumps himself up, that was metal.

>>717956947
Being a fan of a franchise is not the same as being a fan of a game of that franchise. You can be a fan of Star Wars, but if you've never played Republic Commando, then you can't be a fan of Republic Commando.

>>717949513
Shut up you gatekeeping bigot

/v/ is chock full of faggots who quote youtube 9 hour reviews and shit they read off of here instead of just playing a game
the answer is always no