Thread 717960975

Why did gamers collectively decide that they were done with this franchise for good?

>>717960975 (OP)
Cause they spent more money on Mario and Zelda and Kirby games.

>>717960975 (OP)
Gamers? You mean Miyamoto jerking himself off behind the Nintendo HQ cuck shed every night over how every new game must have a new gimmick or it'll never be made? Tell me how exactly you make this game and not have it bomb and still be unique when all previous titles have been middling.

>>717960975 (OP)
The only good one was on the N64. That's why.

>>717960975 (OP)
cus it sucked

>>717960975 (OP)
When Nintendo decided Star Fox was no longer about cool galactic wars in space and on planets, but about furry faggots running around in an FPS and collecting Sonic crystals and saving damsels.

>>717960975 (OP)
sex with the vic viper

>>717960975 (OP)
Because there hasn't been another starfox game since 64

>>717961434
>INTRODUCING
>THE SAME GAME YOU'VE ALREADY PLAYED 5000 TIMES
>NOW IN A FORMAT THAT WILL MAKE YOUR NVIDIA RTX 99080 CHUG
>NO NEW GAMEPLAY

How would a modern game for the PS6 even work?

>>717961519
BASED. Sell it to me NOW!

>>717961519
Yes.

>>717961473
Does Star Fox 2 count since it technically came before 64 but was only "officially" released a few years ago?

>>717960975 (OP)
Fuck it, I'll take Nintendo turning Star Fox into a furry Mass Effect at this point

>>717960975 (OP)
every single starfox game past 64 has been a huge disappointment
it's impressive how impotent nintendo has been at making a decent rail shooter

>>717961519
If it adds content on top of the existing stuff in a meaningful way I'll buy it.

>>717961729
Just give me the first Star Fox for SNES on Steam, maybe with achievements and mouse controls and I buy it. Fuck new content.

>>717961859
why not just download an emulator and the rom?
i was doing that 20+ years ago and it works just fine.

>>717961605
In good faith no since it was made and completed before star fox 64 happened but officially it is the last star fox game released.

Starfox already appears in games though

All they had to do was make Starfox 64 2 and everyone would have loved it.

>>717961658
Mass effect hasn't been relevant for a decade.

What accent would modern Starfox have?

>>717962594
Is this lancer webcomic any good?

>>717960975 (OP)
Nintendo has been outsourcing it for nearly 30 years and shelved it permanently when Zero shat itself. It's over.

>>717962809
>goes nowhere
>same face syndrome

>>717963342
Are the females at least hot?

>>717963420
females?
you mean female?

>>717963587
She looks like a more censored but less hot Krystal whose a cat now.

>>717963729
>Star Fox is a wolf now
>Falco is a moody bull
>Krystal but cat

>>717960975 (OP)
Because the series peaked with 64 and everything else has just been anything from middling to absolute trash. Some aspiring indie is going to do us all proud and make a Starfox spiritual sequel that captures everything we loved about 64, and that indie is me.

>>717963895
>flop 64 (2030)
yawn, i'd rather have a more serious take on space battles in the same universe not more gateslop

>>717963953
Good for you, you're in the minority.

Just make a Star Fox more in line with musou games. I want kill counts in the thousands PER STAGE

>>717964072
>you're in the minority
yeah and is that why they've made more gateslop? oh wait, no one likes gateslop so they haven't made a new game

I played Starlink exclusively as Fox with the Arwing and was kind of upset at how it's the closest we've gotten to a new Star Fox since Zero and the beat we'll probably ever get again. The game wasn't even that good.

>>717964829
I want a game like Starlink but better and only Star Fox.

>>717960975 (OP)
>Why did gamers collectively decide that they were done with this franchise for good?
When rail shooters died and FPSs took off. Also, making each game with gimmicks nobody asked or wanted also ruined it for a lot.

Because they made a few bad games

>>717968980
Literally all they need to do is make an open world space combat simcade game set in the Star Fox universe in a similar vein to BotW and they'd be golden... But the brand has been damaged by this, and many of the remaining fans being obsessed with gateslop.
>but star fox HAS TO BE muh gateslop
Starfox 2 was developed before 64 and had a more open and less linear pathing system. Adapt this general game but expand on the plot and make it more open world and emergent. It'd be that easy

>gateslop
what the fuck does that even mean?

>>717969345
all of SF1/SF64 were built around tori gates to anchor the rail shooter mechanics that they had to be designed around because of hardware limitations. If they had of made SF2 on the N64 that would have been a lot more memorable and iconic.

>>717960975 (OP)
I wanted to like starfox assault but those on foot sections were retarded
why's it so hard to just keep starfox in a vehicle?

>>717960975 (OP)
>gamers collectively decide that they were done with this franchise for good?
Miyamoto decided that, and you nintendr*nes obeyed.
/thread

>>717962873
But wasn't Metroid Dread outsourced too?

>>717960975 (OP)
TwinBee is a clear ripoff of Opa-opa. Sega should sue.

>>717969513
>all of SF1/SF64 were built around tori gates to anchor the rail shooter mechanics
still not sure what the hell you mean by that, they're just rail shooters.
also starfox 2 feels too repetitive and kinda boring, the open structure is a detriment

>>717969989
Nobody actually likes rail shooters.

>>717960975 (OP)
I don't even like shmups and I've played/beaten 5 of these. I don't know what that says about me

>>717969513
>all of SF1/SF64 were built around tori gates to anchor the rail shooter mechanics that they had to be designed around because of hardware limitations.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Is your critique of the game seriously that it has arches you can fly under during planetary missions? With the exception of the rock arches on Corneria it all ultimately amounts to fucking aerobatic maneuvers that don't have any impact on the game beyond "oh cool, an extra silver ring".

>>717960975 (OP)
I have this on a T-shirt.

>>717970816
you have autism

>>717960975 (OP)
>Why did gamers collectively decide that they were done with this franchise for good?
Just the result of having each game be different from the last one with Adventures to Command, and then going back to basics twice in a row.

>>717973330
sexy bird

>>717973421
We know, Katt. We know.

>starfox: technically impressive but aged badly
>starfox 64: goated
>starfox adventures: not actually a starfox game
>starfox assault: hurr durr let's have on-foot missions in our spaceship rail shooter
>starfox command: hurr durr tactics map
>starfox 64 3D: good remake that actually adds something of value to the original, depth perception is amazing
>starfox zero: hurr durr normal gameplay on the TV but cockpit view on the gamepad, almost as big a blunder as Metroid Other M forcing you to hurriedly change your wiimote grip during action-packed gameplay

HOW COULD THIS AMAZING FRANCHISE WITH ONLY ONE GOOD GAME 30 YEARS AGO HAVE FAILED? WHY AREN'T THEY DUMPING MORE MONEY INTO IT?

>Make a traditional starfox game with branching paths and multiple endings
>different endings unlock new arwings/landmaster types for new games or multiplayer
>Make an online multiplayer mode that is pretty much Starfox 2's star map meets Helldivers 2 with persistent campaigns

>>717973742
No it's current year so a Starfox game would have to be procedurally generated open world slop with base building and starship fuel scarcity but with cartoon animals

>>717973504
I'm not a woman eww

It's actually your fault for not spending $400 on plastic spaceships, this was your last chance to prove you gave a shit

>>717973982
>$400 vinyl figure integration
Gimmick
>Rail shooter
Gimmick
>Rail shooter (upgradaed)
Gimmick
>On-foot sections in my space game
Gimmick
>No spaceships in my spaceship game
Gimmick
>Motion Controls
Gimmick
>No gimmick
No game
Fuck you, Miyamoto

>>717960975 (OP)
nobody cares about ships. it's the reason no one gives a shit about games like gradius, raiden, etc. people want real flesh and bones characters doing something. it's the reason samus is remembered
anyway, star fox is done. nintendo is too kiddy to do anything interesting with it. at this point they'd be better off rebranding them into the minty breakfast gang, a band of renegade heatlh nuts on a mission to protect people's pearly whites from the wicked doctor decay's nefarious plans to fill the entire galaxy's smiles with cavities through junk food and unhealthy habits

>>717975378
>nintendo is too kiddy to do anything interesting with it
Why did Famicom Detective Club get a revival after 35+ years of dormancy then?

Shmup thread? If not, convert it into one
Slightly better chance to make it past 100 posts.

Krystal Ball

>>717975378
>nobody cares about ships.
I do.

>>717977354
Wolf's Wolfin was always my favourite and I never figured out why.

>>717975378
>people want real flesh and bones characters doing something.
That's why they give them talks, cockpit protirts, and VAs for the characters in the ships. You can have both in a series, which Star Fox has done before.
>nintendo is too kiddy to do anything interesting with it.
tbf the Star Fox outside of a few moments aren't the darkest things in the world. So it should be pretty easy to make the team fit modern-day Nintendo, at worst, they write it off as the 3rd party dev for it going too off script and call it a day.

Miyamoto fucked it all up

because you don't get better than this

>>717960975 (OP)
they keep releasing short games as tech demos to push whatever system they're on instead of either making long but cheaply made games or going full furry and embracing the appeal of the characters.

>>717979637
Looks cool

>>717979619
Why is Fay blushing like that?

>>717979680
nintendo doesn't want any of the following
>war and its horrors
>warcrimes, bombings, and genocide
>relationship faggotry. just look at how they recently turned mario into peach's beta orbiter
>morally ambiguous characters. star fox are touted as heroes despite being on a legal grey area, being private military contractors and doing corneria's dirty work
>adult people stuff (bills and taxes, diplomacy and politics, character drama and exposition)
it's kind of hard to write about war and the exploit of a team of mercenaries if all that is off the table. and if you just make it pure gameplay like a shoot'em up it won't be enough for an full-price aaa game

>>717981580
See >>717975727

>>717975727
>>717981658
it's a jap adventure game for weebs, so it's dirt cheap to make and the bar for sales is accordingly very low
star fox would be aimed at the entire world and have much higher expectations placed on it, with numbers as good as metroid dread expected on the low end

>>717981580
The only issues here for Star Fox are the War and Horrors bits since the Lylat wars clearly had a big effect on characters like Fox and Peppy (and the less said about Aparoids horrors the better) along with relationship stuff as seen with things like Command and Goodbye beloved Falco.. Star Fox has never once treated Fox and friends as working in a grey area so that's not an issue, and the only time Star Fox talked about adult things is when Team Star Fox was broke or that one time in Assault Falco confirmed he used to be a space biker.
>it's kind of hard to write about war and the exploit of a team of mercenaries if all that is off the table. and if you just make it pure gameplay like a shoot'em up it won't be enough for an full-price aaa game
You could have them just fight weird alien monster again but less scary. Besides imagine if they did write a game about the exploits of a team of mercenaries like they did with old Star Fox games, I think it would still be gameplay-focused since Nintendo usually focuses on that in there games.

>>717982136
>gameplay-focused
pure gameplay as in, say, raiden or metal slug, where you skip from one level to the next without as much as a textbox or a hint of dialogue? forget it

Literally all I fucking want is the original Super Nintendo Starfox in 4k and 60fps. It's a perfect game. A P.E.R.F.E.C.T. game.

>>717982526
I'm surprised there hasn't been some kind of fan remake, keep the style but update it for modern times.

Bring back the Krystal trilogy (Adventure - Assault - Command)

>>717982716
How would one go about updating SNES star fox for modern times?

I tried Ikaruga once. It proved to me that I just don't have the reaction speed or patience to git gud at shmups and I definitely don't now that I'm older and my reflexes are even worse. Never got past the second stage and the few times I got even that far were out of sheer luck. Really liked the atmosphere and aesthetic though.

I still don't understand how did anyone not call out Miyamoto for coming up with the most unintuitive control scheme ever for Zero.

>>717963953

>yawn, i'd rather have a more serious take on space battles in the same universe not more gateslop

I don't know if I am the only one, but my tiny child's mind interpreted the original SNES game as dark and horrifying. Dying in space combat is scary as shit, and my imagination filled in the gaps between the very primitive 3D graphics and the creepy puppets on the cover of the game, and I concocted my own dark version of the StarFox universe. It was scary as shit. I imagined that Fox and his teammates had their biological legs amputated and replaced with robotic legs to allow them to pull higher Gs. It was a brutal, violent universe. I was scared by it, but I loved it. And somehow I managed to grow up without becoming a furry.

>>717982969
There is another thread for any other shmup series.
Also stop using your age as an excuse, the genre is literally boomer salaryman core.

>>717982847
Start with Star Fox 2, make it an open world Lylat system and it's zones, give it a melodramatic war story like Ace Combat. If Nintendo is still angsty about such stories, make the villains even more unambiguously evil, avoid greys, and maybe make Star Fox part of the Royal Cornerian Navy.

>>717973982
It's still hilarious how utterly lukewarm the reception was to this Skylanders shit. You could find this bundle for like $20 just a couple months after it released. The actual game would have flown completely under the radar if not for the Star Fox tie in.

Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

My heroes.

The series peaked at 64 and every subsequent game is a sloppy attempt at recapturing that lightning in a bottle. It doesn't help that Miyamoto demands a gimmick in every game that always, always holds it back.

>>717983041
It's proven that you start experiencing marked decline in reflexes and cognition as early as 25.

>>717983929
Doesn't make it less of an excuse to git gud at shmups.

>>717960975 (OP)
The games are like an hour long and people expect more content from a full priced game now.

>Fox Trilogy
Star Fox -> Star Fox 2 -> Star Fox 64 (Andross rebooted the timeline with his newest invention, this is his 64th reboot attempt)

>Krystal Trilogy
-> Adventure -> Assault -> Command

>Star Fox Zero
Andrew activated his uncle's old reboot machine to not get usurped by Andross's grandson and rebooted the fucking franchise again

The Star Fox Timeline.

>>717982808
>Bring back the Krystal trilogy (Adventure - Assault - Command)
I think we will at least get Adventures and Assault, given they just made GC on NSO a thing. Just got to play the waiting game now
>>717984367
>Andrew activated his uncle's old reboot machine to not get usurped by Andross's grandson and rebooted the fucking franchise again
>Andrew stopped evil Dash from happening because he was salty that he made Venom a superpower before him.
lols.

>>717961187
Show up at project Aces' studio with a briefcase of money and some cocaine.
Then wait.
>but how will it be unique?
It'll actually be good for once.

>>717969176
>open world space combat simcade
This. All Nintendo needed to do was copy Rogue Squadron and keep refining it.

>>717984678
what about space combat but with space muppets? add some chatter and dogfights in-between objectives

Assault was perfectly serviceable and would have been a 10/10 if not for the on foot sections. With them, it's a solid 8.

>>717960975 (OP)
the Raiden ship is the most beautiful design in this bunch

>>717985437
no it wasn't. it was some crappy multiplayer game with tacked on single-player.
>on-foot bad
it would have been ok if you had a lighted path to follow without dropping your combo as if you were on rails

>>717961519
It's why I backed EX-Zodiac
>Besides monkey procuring artist Nitro working on the designs.
More Starfox slop please.

>>717961658
>Still no Captain Falcon bounty hunter game where he can beat the shit out of people, use his trademark pistol, and run evil over with his Blue Falcon in a gritty cyberpunk Mute City ridden with crime and obviously gambling.
I mean I'll take furry mass effect too.

>>717975378
>it's the reason no one gives a shit about games like gradius, raiden, etc.
I only fuck with games with multiple ships.
>Einhander, APB, R-Type Final and Final 2, Dariusburst Chronicle Saviors
Luv me ships, luv me varied gameplay. Simple as.

>>717981580
Explain Fire Emblem.

>>717988537
fire emblem is a fantasy waifufaggotry simulator and a weeb franchise, and any politics stuff is superficial at best, just final fantasy-tactics stuff.
which saves it. star fox is basically a sci-fi saturday morning cartoon, which has fallen out of favor hard