Thread 717973767

Why was it so poorly received among fans of the series?

Is the splinter cell series dead?

>>717973767 (OP)
1.) All the marketing pointed to it being a third person shooter rather than a stealth game.
2.) No Ironside playing Sam.

>>717973767 (OP)
Autistic fanbase that will hate on anything that's not Chaos Theory.
Blacklist was a decent game and a massive improvement towards the right direction but no one gave it a chance and the franchise is now dead.

>>717977905
>a massive improvement towards the right direction
Hard disagree. Turning a slow and methodical stealth game franchise into a 'stealth is optional', clear the room like John Wick action game is not the right direction for Splinter Cell. Sam Fisher was an out-of-retirement spec ops that had to worry about his back acting up. Conviction and Blacklist tried turning him into Captain America

man I miss spies vs mercs

>>717978190
Stealth isnt optional though, many missions required stealth,

>>717973767 (OP)
1) No Ironside.
2) Deemphasis on pure tactical and methodical stealth and more emphasis on action and killing; what older style stealth/ghosting is there was clearly just thrown in because of the back lash against Conviction.
3) Conviction caused people to be wary of the series, and Blacklist showed it was more like Conviction than previous entries and it kept older fans away.
4) The aesthetic went from a realistic/grounded Western tacticool style to an anime/comic booky Sci-fi tacticool style.
5) It's an Ubisoft game.

>>717978580
Same.
Also which was the splinter cell where it was just a shooter and you were killing dozens of russians in the white house?

>>717973767 (OP)
Gameplay wise it's the best game in the whole series and nothing came close but the character of Sam was beyond retarded. The story was dogshit. And casting an very obviously 30 year old dude as a grizzled and abused veteran who is supposed to be in his 60s was the final nail in the coffin. That is what killed the game.

>>717973767 (OP)
where the fuck should start? how about the fact instead of the mouse wheel speed scrolling from almost every other SC game they gave you two options, awkward slow walking and awkward slide-ish running with automatic vault/climb like assassin's creed?
how about the fact that ironside wasn't there after voicing sam for the entirety of the character's existence, despite having helped the character's writing process?
how about the fucking stupid forced combat sessions that we should have left in SC1?
how about the fact that the entire game is a fucking complete character death for both sam and grimsdottir?
the stupid fucking upgrade system, the stuff locked behind DLC that you couldn't play unless you modded the game, half the content being locked behind coop
how about the awkward stealth where darkness never truly hides you unless you are behind some cover like its a fucking uncharted game or something, and even then if you're on the edge of the cover they still somehow see you?
>>717978190
>>717978735
also exactly what these anons said.
despite what you faggots say about conviction, it was a much more grounded game that at least knew the direction it wanted to go to. Blacklist failed at both the older style and the Conviction style.
>>717977905
I notice your fucking faggot ass trying to push this opinion in every splinter cell thread and I suggest you fuck off already, nobody thinks you're cool for being a contrarian you fucking dimwit. You don't get fucking upvotes around here for talking crap about chaos theory or going on rants about how "LE EVIL CHAOS THEORY PLAYERS ARE OPPRESSING ME" or how "LE BAD GAME WAS LE GOOD ACTUALLY".

>>717979085
it's the same class of people who fetishize far cry 2

>>717979214
>I hate these people who love a good game, they're just like people who love another good game
holy shit, what a fucking massive faggot you are. what the fuck did this board do to attract halfwit contrarians like you? I get that blacklist was your first splinter cell and you're too much of a fucking sperg to put your pride aside and just accept chaos theory is the best in the series but why do you have to announce to the whole board you're a fucking faggot? If you're so starved for attention why not go to one of those steam ID threads or some shit like that?

>>717973767 (OP)
i thought it was okay if fun at times
multiplayer was fun
ubisoft jumped the shark with the FPS shooter missions in campaign though

>>717979374
lol

>>717979440
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>>717979514
unless you think fc2 is a good title, I thought I was agreeing with you. take the red out of your eyes for a second lol

>>717979085
>where the fuck should start? how about the fact instead of the mouse wheel speed scrolling from almost every other SC game they gave you two options, awkward slow walking and awkward slide-ish running with automatic vault/climb like assassin's creed?
What's wrong with that? You don't need to walk at a snail's pace when the main focus of the game is action stealth
>how about the fact that ironside wasn't there after voicing sam for the entirety of the character's existence, despite having helped the character's writing process?
Ironside was dealing with multiple cancers at the time.
>how about the fucking stupid forced combat sessions that we should have left in SC1?
They're not stupid and Sam doesn't participate in them
>how about the fact that the entire game is a fucking complete character death for both sam and grimsdottir?
The stroy has never mattered in Splinter Cell
>the stupid fucking upgrade system, the stuff locked behind DLC that you couldn't play unless you modded the game, half the content being locked behind coop
The upgrade system is great and facilitates multiple different styles of play, far more modular than the original limited loadouts in Chaos Theory
>how about the awkward stealth where darkness never truly hides you unless you are behind some cover like its a fucking uncharted game or something, and even then if you're on the edge of the cover they still somehow see you?
Makes sense to me, at the edge of cover, they'll see your head

>>717973767 (OP)
It was a great game but unfortunately most people who play Splinter Cell are mentally ill autismos like this
>>717979085
and you just can't win with them

>>717978190
I mean, it is more stealth-focused than Conviction, in that sense it is a step in the right direction, even if not enough...

>>717979674
>What's wrong with that? You don't need to walk at a snail's pace when the main focus of the game is action stealth
so the game isn't a fucking splinter cell game, retard. it's a reskinned assassin's creed game with guns.
>Ironside was dealing with multiple cancers at the time.
I know. So the game shouldn't have existed. If it really did have to exist, why the fuck is Sam a cocky 25 year old?
>They're not stupid and Sam doesn't participate in them
Yes they are. And he does.
>The story has never mattered in Splinter Cell
nice job outing yourself as a fucking retard. the entire reason sam was such a unique character was because of his dry humor and how he valued the "human-side" of things more than just "doing the job", canonically disobeying lambert's order at times to do things like save the downed pilots in south korea and so on.
>The upgrade system is great and facilitates multiple different styles of play, far more modular than the original limited loadouts in Chaos Theory
the choices don't matter much when the fundamentals of the game are shit, you retard.
>Makes sense to me, at the edge of cover, they'll see your head
you retards really say anything for replies
>>717979736
how many more fucking times are you going to samefag your opinion for fuck's sake? you are literally the only guy on this board who is a contrarian for blacklist.

>>717973767 (OP)
Fans? You mean chaosfag who think their shit braindead game is the best stealth game ever?

>>717979736
>>717979846
>>717979908
most obvious samefagging ever kek

>>717979893
>so the game isn't a fucking splinter cell game, retard. it's a reskinned assassin's creed game with guns.
The slow paced steath had already reached its peak in CT, there's nothing more with evolving the series
>I know. So the game shouldn't have existed. If it really did have to exist, why the fuck is Sam a cocky 25 year old?
>nice job outing yourself as a fucking retard. the entire reason sam was such a unique character was because of his dry humor and how he valued the "human-side" of things more than just "doing the job", canonically disobeying lambert's order at times to do things like save the downed pilots in south korea and so on.
It's a soft reboot
>the choices don't matter much when the fundamentals of the game are shit, you retard.
The fundamentals are great though and it's a fun game

>>717980034
>The slow paced steath had already reached its peak in CT, there's nothing more with evolving the series
yes, it was perfect and there was no reason not to keep it that way.
>It's a soft reboot
yes, and it's retarded.
>The fundamentals are great though and it's a fun game
no argument kek

>yes, it was perfect and there was no reason not to keep it that way.
There's no point in making a new game if there's nothing new with the gameplay
>no argument kek
You never provided any reasons as to why the fundamentals were bad to begin with

>>717980384
>There's no point in making a new game if there's nothing new with the gameplay
a game doesn't need to reinvent the wheel everytime, anon. that's what leads to bad sequels. they should've stuck to the formula from the trilogy and that's that.
>You never provided any reasons as to why the fundamentals were bad to begin with
oh, I didn't, did I? What's this?
>>717979893 "it's a reskinned assassin's creed game with guns."
What's this now? Not an argument because you decided to ignore it?
I can already tell what the fuck your next post will be.
>um, what's wrong with assassin's creed?
you get worse with every post, and frankly I should have known better than to argue with a retard, it's a completely moot point.

>just gets up and leaves
fucking kek
if there's any new anons in the splinter cell threads, do us all a favor and don't do the mistake I just did. don't feed the blacklist tranny. he has no arguments, he just likes to be humiliated.

>>717981182
still lurking here, faggot? thanks for the bump.

are we just going to forget that the early splinter cells had mandatory action segments or that chaos theory had assault loadouts?

>>717981228
>are we just going to forget that the early splinter cells had mandatory action segments
just about one of their few flaws.
>or that chaos theory had assault loadouts
it did, and the AI was better than whatever else we got later.

>>717980473
>>717981103
I'm still here though?
>a game doesn't need to reinvent the wheel everytime, anon. that's what leads to bad sequels. they should've stuck to the formula from the trilogy and that's that.
A game also shouldn't be the same thing everytime
>oh, I didn't, did I? What's this?
>>>717979893 "it's a reskinned assassin's creed game with guns."
Except Assassin's Creed during this time did not have the same gameplay at all
If anything, AC copied from Blacklist

>>717977905
Chaos Theory is one of my favorite games ever and I liked Blacklist and replayed it at least 3-4 times. You can still go full stealth if you want so I dont see the issue. And just like the first game ever, it has some forced combat scenarios so even hardcore fans cant really say that Splinter Cell is not being "true to itself".
And the casuals now have the option to run and gun all they want which doesnt affect stealthGODS in any way.

>>717981438
okay, anon. my last reply indulging you.
you wanna play that dogshit game? fine. you wanna be an autist and spend the rest of your time in splinter cell threads fighting over it? fine.
but for the love of god, at least stop trying to convince people chaos theory was bad. you are just making yourself look like a goddamn retarded monkey and frankly, you are slowly becoming a lolcow in the SC threads.
>derrp! not as much as chaostheoryfags! XD
sigh

>>717981683
Where did I say that chaos theory was bad?