Thread 717985446

How do we solve the cheating problem?

No more crossplay with pc

>>717985446 (OP)
region lock asia

>>717985446 (OP)
>cheaters
>bf6
does not exist

prison sentences

>>717985446 (OP)
Hardware level bans. Actually have real employees (not some sweaty tranny 'hired' over paypal via discord) monitoring gameplay for cheats.

>>717985446 (OP)
IDs and more government control.

>>717985446 (OP)
And the other 50% are the cheaters.

>>717985508
okay, that removed 20% of cheaters. Now what?

Region lock play specifically to regions based on socioeconomic reasons.

>>717985631
region lock eastern europe and turkey

>>717985446 (OP)
>>717985508
True just ban Asia from playing with other servers including Russia.

>>717985446 (OP)
>game only allows set inputs
>plsyer inputs are outside the threshold of humanly feasible inputs
>banhammer
wew

>>717985446 (OP)
We will never be able to solve it 100%.
The closest we can come I think, is cloud only games (streamed video), paired with serverside anticheat.

>>717985446 (OP)
single player games. you don't need to play multiplayer slop, and if you do, just play with friends

>>717985717
Totally no Chinese cheaters in PUBG. Every single death I was killed by a Cheater who then proceeded to as I spectated them to not get any kills afterwards despite locking into people to not get caught on recordings, bunch of pussy rat shitters.

>>717985495
This. Free of us consoles and their unholy combination of autoaim and undetectable hardware-based cheats and we'll have a golden age. No more crossplay and I don't care how many console players complain about not having lobbies.

>>717985840
That is the only realistic "solution" yes.
Public multiplayer will always have cheaters.

>>717985871
>free consoles of autoaim
hmm

>>717985568
I hope to god those are shills

>>717985935
Nah, normalfag cattle are that brainwashed.

>>717985446 (OP)
Make good anticheats. BF anticheat is a joke. The best anticheat I seen is ACE, it can even detect DMA, the chinese are in another level.

>>717986260
> ACE is a good anti-cheat.
lol, its a fucking joke. I've played one of their shooter games and its full of cheaters even with that on. They can't detect AI-based cheats.

Rangeban China and Russia.

>>717986330
You have no idea. The thing with ACE is that it starts weak, but after you get some reports it starts encrypting shit and detecting DMA. Cheating for more than a week becomes really annoying

>>717985446 (OP)
you need a breakthrough in networking, then all games will be played through the cloud. clients simply connect to the cloud to play, gaming pc's would become irrelevant

>dont make your game free to play because that opens the gates to turd world brown hordes to make a profit from cheating software
force the cheater and these brownoids to buy the game every time they get banned preferably at a price that they have to sell their ass to buy them say 60 dollerinos
>have a well trained moderation team and tools that can record the player's gameplay to determine wheter or not the player is cheating
>NEVER imediately ban the cheaters just match them with other identified cheaters
only ban them in mass after a week or two so you can better identify them throught their faulty software and inflict massive debt to their operation in one go
>ALWAYS issue a permanent ban if the player is cheating regardless of their rank, ban history and microtransactions bought

problem solved... but we all know these game companies make the cheats themselves

>>717985446 (OP)
Troll suspected cheaters, find a subtle way of testing it like those ghost players, if they lock onto them, make their guns have 500% projectile spread without telling them, or only count 1 in 5 bullets for damage. Give them bootleg attachments with misaligned sights, have the mag randomly drop out of their gun.

>>717986586
> More than a week.
Yet those ACE games never lose players because their players are autistic as fuck and they will cheat 24/7 even if they have to reconfig their whole fucking set up and burn through fake IDs and burner phones to get shit done.

>>717985446 (OP)
I solved it by only playing single player titles. Humans are terrible and you’re adding an extra negative element to your games by playing with them.

>le ban russia and china XD

You are not playing with russians or chinks you fucking retards they would have like 500 ping if they did

>>717985446 (OP)
Stop playing competitive multiplayer slop.

>>717986630
We also know they will never go after the illegal cheat companies and they have a whitelist on people allowed to cheat on their servers.

>>717986675
You are wrong, Chinese/Russian pings are only max 130-340 to US servers, it doesn't affect them it affects the local players more.

>>717985446 (OP)
Multiplayer is a waste of time.

>>717986754
making cheats in the great usa is not illegal you communist pig

>>717985576
More like 70%. Cheaters don't like playing against other cheaters.

>>717985446 (OP)
just use ai to write an anti-cheat thingy duh, how hard can it be

>>717987376
Goes against Terms of Service to manipulate, alter and modifications of the product clause you are using. Illegal use of the product means the corporation has the right to sue your ass for selling cheats for monetary and competitive integrity based harm.

>>717987376
if they can DMCA private servers i don't see why they can't do the same against these cheating companies

>>717987561
>>717987457
these companies take bitcoin only, and we have this thing called freedom over here. you might not get if your in the eu communist shithole

>>717985446 (OP)
play single player games

>>717987792
> Noo freedom is you are allowed to commit crimes and get away with it.
US used to be about killing the criminals and living legally on your own land and not tolerating pieces of shits like you who's probably a 3rd/4th generational russian/chinese migrant.

>>717985558
This is the point where a cheater comes and points out that avoiding that is "easy" and would only hinder "legitimate" players from playing because they have bought used equipment, but reality is that it is an extra step they will have to take in order to avoid getting automatically banned again after getting caught, but without even such simple measures it is no wonder it is so widespread.

>>717985568
>kernel level access does nothing to prevent cheating
>here take my actual id even though in the modern era you already have it through purchase platform, payment method and IP address leasing

Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security.

>>717986630
Anon the cheats cost like $600 buying new game keys isn't going to do shit.

>>717985840
>just invite 63 friends to play with you

>>717985495
FPBP

>>717988061
> Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Please get the quote right when you are quoting the man.

>>717987937
the biggest couldn't get good cope

>>717985446 (OP)
At this point I really don't care about cheaters since Cod, pubg, cs2 are full of cheaters aswell
I just want a military kino and not a zoomer slop fps like cod and cs2.

>>717988061
>play sportballs
>break all the rules
>get kicked out and reeee about freedom
lol

>>717985446 (OP)
we chop their fingers off or smth idk

>>717988252
Nigger can you even read?

>>717985446 (OP)
Play single player games only or games where cheating doesn't mess with you like Helldiver's 2

>>717985696
>region lock eastern europe and turkey
and immigrants in general. There was a scandal in Face-it CS:GO some years ago that got next to no publicity where a bunch of Arabs in Sweden were rigging games in the second highest tier, effectively deciding who got to progress or not with the chance of becoming a paid professional. One of the cheaters in that team had over 4000 matches behind him on the platform.

>>717985446 (OP)
Identify cheaters and isolate them to cheater servers.
region lock China and Russia. They can play with each other.
Also bring back private servers and server browsing.

Dedicated servers with customized IP filters and banlists.

>>717985446 (OP)
Haven't played an online shooter since like BLOPS 4. Not because of cheaters just sweaty tryhards who have to make every match some sizzle reel for their MLG debut

Get rid of gift cards and other anonymous payment options and make bans tied to your bank account.

>>717985446 (OP)
bring back private owned servers
allow us to record/spectate and do demos of supsected players
remove rootkits masked as anticheat cause we and server admins always dealt with cheaters in 10 minutes

>>717985446 (OP)
TTD

>>717985446 (OP)
Before you can start the game for the first time, you must send your pc to the devs. The devs will then scan it for cheat software and put a lock on the system to prevent you from installing programs without their permission after you get it back. Shipping costs for both ways obviously paid for by you. No compensation for potential damage.

>>717988541
never gonna happen, no one knows how to use a server browser in 2025. if you have nothing to hide why do you care about rootkits?

>>717985446 (OP)
Make it so that Chinese, all former soviet countries and especially India can't join online games.

>>717989031
They dont work, anon. They have never worked. They fail to work so consistently it makes most people wonder if they were ever intended to work as advertised.

Kernel access "anti cheat" that gets beat before the sun goes down on day 1 has become the industry standard.

>>717985446 (OP)
The solution is obvious.

>>717985919
pretty sure he meant "free us of consoles and their unholy combination of autoaim"

By accepting that cheating is impossible to solve, not installing intrusive anti cheat software, and if you're gonna play online you just don't care.


Oh, you could also just play community servers.

>>717989167
No shit and actual female cheaters in FPS games.

They need to add bans to payment details. Nobody is going to create another bank account every time they got caught cheating.

>>717989363
I wish LAN didn't die.

>>717989396
account sellers exist

>>717989363
>cheating is impossible to solve

No, it isnt. It never was. Aimbots can be caught by watching for a few minutes. Same with wallhacking. Same with the more outlandish shit like full auto infinite mag RPGs.

But that requires a person and people cost money. A long time ago, back before you were even born probably, a group of bean counters figured out they make more money by pretending to fight cheating than by actually fighting it. And then the rest of the vidya industry caught wind of that and thet followed suit.

>>717985446 (OP)
If your a filthy casual who only plays games with matchmaking and jumps from game to game every month... suffer
If your an autist who has an attachment to a game that you'll play for years and has dedicated servers and a server browser, just find and join a community that polices for this kind of shit.

>>717985446 (OP)
>headline about cheaters
>posts some random engineers getting clowned on all game by infantry while hunting vehicles
For what purpose?
>absolutely none of them are using engineer weapons
God this game fucking sucks.

>>717985446 (OP)
Player hosted servers. The admins just ban the cheaters.
Sure, there's a fair share of false-positives, but that just leads to there being different servers dedicated to players with different skill levels.

>>717989651
>But that requires a person and people cost money
No they don't. In the time before that guy was born people were doing it for free because they cared about their own servers.

>>717985446 (OP)
Quitting is beta behavior, just cheat too.

>>717988061
>Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither freedom nor security.

You're retarded and underage, you can't even fly without showing your ID and get completely body scanned. The state can see anything and everything you do on your phone for 5 months or more. But you would cry about ID checks in gaming.

>>717985631
Atom Bomb India

>>717991381
>YES PLEASE BIG CORPORATE DADDY VIOLATE MY PRIVACY FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN
>KEEP MAKING ME EMPTY PROMISES ABOUT FIGHTING CHEATERS WHILE DOING NOTHING TO FIGHT CHEATERS AND DEMANDING MY DIGITAL BUSSY IN RETURN

Medieval peasant genes are strong in this one.

>>717991890
>>YES PLEASE BIG CORPORATE DADDY VIOLATE MY PRIVACY FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RETURN

What privacy do you have that is important to keep secret in your small room anon?

>>717985568
Cheating has all but killed my desire to play online FPS games. I know just how retarded it is, but I'd actually consider IDs for this shit so people could be ID banned. Cheaters are fucking scum and should kill themselves.

>>717986260
Anti-cheat doesn't fucking work. Bring back servers with admins who can just ban these faggots when they show up

>>717991948
Its mostly the "for absolutely nothing in return" part that concerns people that aren't leasing braincells, anon.

Demanding kernel level access and then failing to do the one thing you used as justification for said access should make you at least slightly mad.

>>717991948
Not the concern of a private entity, anon. I need to fly if im going to travel, i dont need to play a video game that requires my ID.

>>717991948
I don't want them to permaban me because I did an OK sign with my hand once

>>717992082
I've stopped almost completely, TF2 is the only one I still play and cheating is still rampant.

>>717985446 (OP)
Just play single player games bro. It’s that easy.

>>717992201
>>717992292
>>717992326
There are 8.2 billion people on the planet, only 0.1% care about you. You are complete irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, stop crying about this. ID's in gaming would 100% stop cheating more.

>>717992326
>you now remember /pol/ memeing the ok hand symbol into being a white supremacy symbol

Those were interesting times.

>>717985568
>a study by experts

>0 (zero) actions towards xim niggers
if on pc game detects using a controller and if on console game detects using a non official controller, instant ban

>>717992452
don't care, those 0.1% still aren't getting my ID to play a video game

>>717992541
The 0.1% is your mom you fucking retard. Do you think a gaming company like EA who gets 5 millions players on the beta would give a shit about you?

>>717992452
IDs cant stop 18 year olds from getting into bars you fucking retard. Youre surrendering personal data in the hopes that big daddy vidya won't misuse it while he makes you the same promise he made when demanding kernel access to your PC.

Indian scammers love people like you.

>>717992606
>0.1% x 8.2 billion = 1

>>717992617
>IDs cant stop 18 year olds from getting into bars you fucking retard

Yea, they do, what the fuck are you talking about? No barkeeper would give you any alcohol.

>>717992730
my fake ID i used from 18 to 21 and a general laizze faire attitude from hole in the wall bars would disagree with you

>>717992452
everyone is irrelevant until they aren't. it's the constant rolling gacha of life.
at the end of the day this shit will only be used for companies to report you for hate speech to the government while hackers/ban baiters keep buying IDs from the entire country of india and buying new hardware and changing their ISP to keep their mental illness going

>>717992946
>the guy who used fake ID's is against real ID in gaming

So what's the problem, you turbo faggot?

>>717992730
No, they dont. If they did, fake IDs wouldnt be so prevalent.

Youre a fucking moron. You were promised cheat free games in exchange for compulsory 3rd party anticheats. The 3rd party anticheats didnt work. You were promised cheat free games in exchange for proprietary & built in anticheats. The proprietary & built in anticheats didnt work. You were promised cheat free games in exchange for kernel level access to your PC. The kernel level anti cheats didnt work.

Now you want to dox yourself to a faceless corporate monstrosity - completely oblivious to what kind of risk this opens you up to - and youre telling yourself THIS TIME theyll fulfill their promise?

Youre a battered woman convinced this time he'll change. Except all thats going to change is next time hes gonna beat your ass to death for being dumb enough to trust him.

>lmao just ban Russia and China
Anyone who says this is a Swedish cheater.
Swedes are the top cheaters of Europe. Do not let them shift blame and get away with it.

>>717993037
Because surrendering your privacy to a private entity for the sake of convenience is really fucking gay. I's bad enough the government wants to constantly have a hand on your balls, now you want to freely give it to a private company that will 100% give that data to the government the moment they snap their fingers. You sound like you say "if youre innocent you have nothing to hide" unironically.

>>717985446 (OP)
no more PC ports

>>717993304
>You sound like you say "if youre innocent you have nothing to hide" unironically.
you're not a kiddy fiddler, right?
>>717993218
unironically all the big company spy on you already and the USA government does it everywhere.

>>717993496
If corporations spied so openly why cant they ID ban already, dipshit.

>>717993581
Do you know how many people you would need to hire to do that?

>>717993704
Then what good is giving them your ID going to do?

>>717993738
deterrent

>>717988216
They can't, the quote doesn't apply 99% of the time it's used when you actually use the full one or know the context at all.

>>717993816
Do you know how many people you would need to hire to do that?

>>717993816
Deterrents only work if they're used at least once you dumb fuck. By your own admission its unfeasible to hire that many fucking people to parse through IDs. Worse, they'll outsource to some overseas Indian firm who will have all of your information at a snap. Then again with how much you seem to like licking boots you'd probably have no problem with that either

Return to tradition
Server admins are the only solution

>>717988224
>wanting to play in the same field as faggots, shitskins, underages and normalfaggots
yeah sure thing buddy, I'd rather play alone, thank you

>>717985446 (OP)
>Pretty good at fps
>No problem reaching high ranks or topping scoreboards in any shooter I play
>Genuinely can't remember the last time I felt like somebody else was cheating
I honestly don't get it. I feel like I'm playing a different genre sometimes.

>>717985446 (OP)
>How do we solve the cheating problem?
Buy your games on GOG, play them trough virtual lan with friends. No more multiplayer matches with random shitheads.

>>717985871
> I don't care how many console players complain about not having lobbies
I will never understand this cope. In all my years of playing games I have never had trouble with getting matches in any game on console.

>>717989956
>Player hosted servers. The admins just ban the cheaters.
Yeah, this is the solution. This way the servers basically get dedicated people to deal with this shit rather than the studio trying to police the entire playerbase alone and also without being hands-on with the servers at all.

>>717988484
>for their MLG debut
Ok, grandpa

>>717988238
Arma reforger

>>717986630
>force the cheater and these brownoids to buy the game every time they get banned preferably at a price that they have to sell their ass to buy them say 60 dollerinos
this sounds good in theory but it doesn't work. in world of warcraft there are more bots than real people and every single sub is $15. paying for the game doesn't change shit for cheaters mass ban waves and IP banning asia and africa from NA/EU servers do.

>>717994746
I routinely top the scoreboard when I do play and still run into cheaters frequently, it entirely depends on what game you're playing at this point.

>>717995081
Bots make money anon. Every bot has an RoI threshold it has to break before it gets caught and banned in order to remain profitable. Cheaters dont have that.

Banning cheaters and making them - or letting them - rebuy the game incentivizes game companies to ban cheaters but never actually fix the cheat as it becomes an increased source of revenue for them.

>>717985446 (OP)
It will never be solved.
Before the cheater problem can be solved, AI will advance to the point where people prefer to play vs AI than vs other players.
Multiplayer games will die before cheating does. And then cheating will die, like a parasite without a host.

>>717995118
What games do you play where you're constantly running into cheaters?

>>717985568
...how would this prevent cheaters?
even the top FPS streamers are notorious cheaters
just find and ban the cheaters that wiggle their way into the top leagues
cheating has literally never been a problem for me. just leave the game?!?!?!