Thread 717991801

Who is your favorite Pegasus rider?

Her sister

Florina.

>>717991801 (OP)
I love scrimbling Florina in Lyn HM to get an extreme mage killer

>>717993436
>scrimbling
Is this some hip new term for babysitting?

>>717991801 (OP)
Fee.

I remember back in 2003 when I got Fire Emblem I got Florina and didn't know what to make of her since she was weak as fuck.
Then I just made a team of beefy dudes slowly but surely mowing down maps. Oswin, Raven, Hector, Hawkeye etc.
Only later I found out rescuing and movement had a lot of potential.
It was more than 20 years ago. Feels bad, man.

>>717991801 (OP)
ANDARON SAGA!!!!!!

Chloé!

>>717993518
it's a version of the term where you funnel every single resource into the character that started with the relays because some relayers obviously played in a way that benefited their favourite character

>>717993779
Did you know about the peg triangle?

>>717991801 (OP)
Shigure.

>>717991801 (OP)
The pegasus knight who pretends to not be one, despite her promotion always being one in two different games.

Cutesythea

>>717991801 (OP)
I like almost all of them a lot, so it's a hard pick. My pick is between Shiida, Tate and Vanessa.

Marriage with Marianne!

Are knights ever good?

>female Pegasus riders
haha they fuck their own mounts

>>717993973
Her default outfit is hotter than this

>>717995537
There are like 4628281463728 knight subclasses and they differ from game to game

Fiora of course, always and forever!

>>717995537
Knights are good if
>they don't have decreased mov compared to other foot classes
OR
>they actually have more bulk than everyone else AND the game is designed such that a defensive wall is actually useful
otherwise no

>>717995537
They are often good, they just also get some real stinkers sometimes.
>Doga
>Oswin
>FE9/10 knights
>Prepromote GKs
are all good, plus quite a few knight also get good when treated like the average unit and actually gets exp.

Let's be honest here, scrimblo lost what little meaning it had when people started applying it to every unit. Florina doesnt even need that much help, just a robe or a ring.

>>717995904
An engagement ring?

>>717995904
>Florina doesnt even need that much help
>just two rare ass boosters that are also arguably the strongest
(lol

>>717995904
Shut up, Ravenfag. Raven is consistently worse than a trained Lowen or a Lyn mode Sain or Kent at this point by far. He doesn't even reach Harken's bases. It's absolutely true that he's a scrimblo.

>>717992421
FPBP

>>717991801 (OP)
Ezpz

>>717996132
I love comparing apples to oranges too

>>717996181
>B-BUT SHE COSTS 10K GOLD
Funny how gold doesn't matter until you decide to spend it on a brand new unit, no matter how good they are.

>>717996315
The only thing you love is Raven's dick in your mouth.

>>717996092
>Angelic Robe in 7
>Rare and Strong

>>717995904
it's about personal preference, not whether it's an Est or a bad unit

>>717996132
I would love to prove you wrong, but recruiting Raven is apparently impossible according to past experiences in the relays

>>717996492
That's retarded.
Based relayfags though coming up with exciting new ways of shit stirring.

>don't use a robe on your early flier
>use it on your cleric instead, like /vfeg/

>>717996369
I’m not Priscilla

>>717996492
Scrimblofags are the ones forcing their personal preferences, warping the run to force their unit, whether it be by arena grinding, dumping stat boosters, wasting tons of the runs resources so people have to get by for 2 chapters with 10 Heal Staves and barely any gold when they reach the shop anyway or using strategies that take 2 hours to feed every single kill to one unit so nobody else gets any progress.

>>717996367
not a single person has ever said money was an issue in FE7

>>717996470
>Statbooster on HHM
>That gives out +7 HPz enough to turn a deficient stat into a good stat
Yes, it is rare and strong.

>>717996367
>10k
Try 20k. Farina is solid but probably already trained up Flo/Fiora/Heath.

>>717996618
HP is the one stat FE7 has in spades for a lot of units due to them either having a high base or a ridiculous growth (and/or promotion bonus).
Its just Lyn, Mages, Isadora and Florina who have sketchy HP.

>>717996612
I don't see much bitching about it here tbf, but the "community" commonly bitches about recruitment prices in general especially when it comes to Farina. I don't get how you ever don't have a massive excess of gold by that point desu.

>>717996132
>He doesn't even reach Harken's bases
incorrect

>>717996792
I have two theories.
>scrimblofags united need all the gold they can possibly get to train their bullshit
>it's just one guy arguing against it sowing chaos for no particular reason

>>717996792
If you actually play for ranks, Farina eating 20k is annoying. Then again ranked runs mean that Dart and Matthew/Legault cant promote so...

>>717996916
FE7 ranks were a mistake.

>>717996763
There's no unit who doesn't want +7 HP, the hell are you talking about. Even units like Marcus and Pent are competing for the robe, since it turns their mid hp into massive hp, it's by far the best booster.

>>717991801 (OP)
Archanea = Palla
Jugdral = Erin
Elibe FE6 = Tate
Elibe FE7 = Fiora
Magvel = Tana

>>717996916
Funds rank is the easiest rank in the game since every single purchase with your Silver Card essentially doubles your funds. Buying Farina helps you for the much harder to attain Exp Rank, so the 20k is a great investment in the context of ranked runs as well.

>>717997098
>Marcus
>Mid HP
>When a bunch of units dont even MEET his HP base before they promote

>Lyn x Florina
>Hector x Farina
>Eliwood x Fiora after Kent defloration

>>717993921
REBELLION SAGA!!!

>>717997312
Mid is in the context of the enemies you face. Comparisons to other units aren't that relevant since it's just what they're relatively capable of. What does matter is what it lets them do against the enemies stats.

>>717997098
>NOOO I NEED MY CARRY TO CARRY HARDER
It's weird we have a term like scrimblo but nothing for fags that obsess over overstuffed carry units.

>>717997312
>before they promote
That's the important part, his hp is mid by promoted standards. Admitting that a bunch of units don't meet his mid 30hp before then also shows that the Angelic Robe has massive competition for it.

>>717997375
Marcus has anything but mediocre personal bulk in the context of 7. If you're that worried about him, a shield would do better since that's -2 damage against most engagements.

>>717997492
He's gonna have even better bulk after the stat boosters. Fuck your 8RKO shit. I want 16RKO.

>>717997384
juggernauting is one hell of a drug

Are cavs ever bad?

>>717997702
Yeah, Fiona sucks.

>>717991801 (OP)
Threesome with the Ilia trio

>>717997384
I don't like these fags either and I call them metaslaves myself, but my point was to show that the Angelic Robe is far from being an uncompetitive booster in FE7.

>>717997702
As a class? Awakening Cavs are only so-so, 3H cavs that aren't bow knights are honestly pretty mediocre compared to fliers thanks in part to bad growths.

>>717997757
Florina is underage sicko

>>717997459
Marcus has 31 HP/10 Def/8 Res at base.
15/1 Sain (aka the overstuffed Lyn Mode one) has 32.8 HP/11.2 Def/3 Res.

Sain has what's basically a dracoshield on him in physical bulk while Marcus has nearly 3 talismans on him on the magic side. Marcus does not have any pressing need for a robe.

>>717997905
Growths mods are irrelevant (wow, +1 str in 20 levels tier shit). Fliers are better in 3H because some map have assblastingly bad terrain.

>>717997905
>thanks in part to bad growths.
It's more people want to spend their time from 10-20 outside of Cav classes and so few people end up training Lances as a result, which the only appeal of Paladin is it's the 20-30 class with Lancefaire. This is relevant for Frozen Lance spammers but even physical women also have the option to wait for Falcon Knight at 30 so they can suffice with a quick Wyvern cert until then. There's a lot of things working against being in a Cavalier class outside of Valkyrie (DLC) or Dark Knight for mages in lategame. I do think it's nice to be in a mounted class if you plan to go into Bow Knight because it takes a lot of mounted EXP at A rank. It saves some time, but then there's some real trade-offs between Archer/Sniper and Cavalier/Paladin for enemy phasing for someone like Leonie too.

>>717997989
All that I'm getting is that Sain also would want the robe. That sure ain't Lowen or Raven.

>>717997757
Me on the left

>>717991801 (OP)
Est. The Whitewings are still the best peg knight trio.

>>717998179
It's about *effective* bulk.
Raven might have more HP but he also was worse def and luck.
Marcus has a very poor def growth, so a shield matters more for him in the long term. Adding a shield to most pegasi is pointless because their HP stat isnt high enough for it to matter.

>>717997734
Only cause of availability. Her growths are good.

>>717998175
Bad growths, bad capstone skills, stiff competition, it all adds up yeah. To be fair though it can be worth fielding at least one cav anyway because the mobility can be nice on early maps where you might not have a better option yet.

>>717998175
That's providing that the girl doesnt have axe banes. Bernadetta prefers Paladin advanced ecause its less effort and you get more batts to use.

>>717998563
It's not just because of availability, pretty much every map she's featured in is hostile to cavalry.

>>717997342
HELL YEAH REBELLION ANDARONG SANGAg!!!

>>717998595
Yeah, Bernadetta is another one that might want to spend time in a mounted class to get EXP for Bow Knight, if that's the route you want to go with her.

>>717998446
>worse def
His defense stat is pretty good actually, outmatching Sain's once they're both promoted.
>Luck
That's why he gets the Goddess Icon, which actually does have little competition for it. Either that or you give him one of any support.

>>717998704
>His def is pretty good
It's decent.

>>717991801 (OP)
Florina
nostalgic bias i guess. raising her from weakling to monster in my first FE game will always be a fond memory

>>717997329
I prefer Fiora to reach A support with Eliwood before her B support with Kent personally

>>717998446
>Marcus has a very poor def growth
Same for his HP growth, which is why the robe is very valuable for him, especially since one of his selling points is commonly taking on mages and physical enemies at the same time.

>>717998860
She never becomes a monster too low str

My biggest problem with Florina isn't even her base str or her bulk, but her spd of all things. What kind of sorry excuse for a pegaslut doesn't even have double digit speed at base?

>>717999464
People told me the same thing about Lyn, but mine turned into a killing machine.

>Robing Marcus
Look, if you want to do this goofy shit, be my guest, but understand that you're defaulting from the discussion as a rational person. No one does this, not metafags, not casuals, not ironmanfags - NOBODY does this.
A booster investment that offers no functional/noticed advantage to an already strong unit can therefore be assumed to go to a unit who a) WOULD functionally benefit from it and b) who offers a strong return for the investment.
Incidentally this is why it's dumb to hold Spirit Dusts against units like Odin, fucking one else needs them, so it can be assumed that if he's in play, his actual mag stat is higher than his average.

>>717998175
>>717998595
Even then the physical girls and even some of the magic girls are better off taking levels in pegasus knight.

>>718000019
You only go Pegasus Knight if you want Darting Blow. If your damage revolves around CAs then it is not that important.

how did a bald norwegian rapist make a better fire emblem game than nintendo developers...it shouldnt be possible...but it happened...

>>717995537
The real issue with knights in a lot of games is that the games they're in are too easy to need a giant wall of DEF. Why bother trudging your 4 MOV 16 DEF wall of *dink* through a map when your Jagen or axe bro has enough bulk to sit at a choke and kill everything?
Now, if there were fewer, scarier enemies that could blast your Marcus off the map in two hits, suddenly The Wall has a purpose. Though only if you don't pair those physical threats with mages, or make knights less hopeless against magic, or give the player plentiful Pure Water/Barrier staves.

>>717999975
Not much different than scrimbloing Florina, she lacks bulk overall and benefits less than Marcus does from the Robe. You don't get to pick and choose which units are acceptable to scrimblo or not.

>>717991801 (OP)
probably her and tana

>>717999975
>Incidentally this is why it's dumb to hold Spirit Dusts against units like Odin, fucking one else needs them,
That depends on your plans for the playthrough. Maybe you want to use Ophelia instead. Maybe you want to play Horse Spirit Corrin. The point is he doesn't always get it.

>>717999464
never had a problem with that.

>>717999975
>actually +7 HP for your strongest unit does NOTHING chud, it just doesn't ok?
it's 100x more useful than whatever retarded shit you will probably suggest like using it on some healer

>>718000671
>She lacks bulk
>Benefits less from the robe
Florina having worse bulk as a physical combatant is the reason why she benefits MORE from it relative to Marcus.

>>718000907
You might even want to give it to Camilla so that she has stronger 1-2 range, to a magic weapon spammer or to Nyx if you want to make her nuke more consistently. His example really isn't good and assumes that everyone plays the game the same way, ironically.

>>718001150
Yeah, pretty much. What gave me so many playthroughs of Conquest was rotating around units and using different ones. Odin himself can be used as a physical unit too, and he has surprisingly good growths so he ends up pretty good a lot of the time. The better thing to say is that Odin can do great work with those Spirit Dusts.

>>718001134
>She can take 1 round of combat instead of 0 with the robe, isn't that worth it?
>Giving it to your main frontliner who takes on every enemy in the game so that he can keep being agressive? No one does this goofy shit
(lol

>>717991801 (OP)
Cynthia and Tana

>>718001107
Going from 8HKO to 9HKO is a waste of a robe. You might as well put your shields on knights, rings on axe users and wings on memedons.
>>718001150
Dusts arent that hotly competed for in CQ because you're going to dump them on your primary mage and pair with someone like Maid Felicia or whatever for even more magic and spd/bulk.

>>717996867
I named my cat Harken when I was a kid because of how cool he was. So you're argument is in fact invalid.

>>718001385
>lists like 5 examples of plans that would love Dusts which is not close to comprehensive
>"Dusts aren't hotly competed for"

>>718001464
You only have one horse spirit/calamity gate and those are the most important tomes in the game. CQ by its nature encourages you to pick a magic unit and dump everything into him/her.

>>718001385
+def boosters are best on already high def specifically because of this point that you want to pretend doesn't exist, every extra enemy you can take is an extra bit of flexibility on your combat unit
and before you go on some useless tangent, I don't even disagree that robes are good on low HP fighters like fliers, but the point is that they're good on both types of units, and marcus makes use of it perfectly fine

>>718001649
Because of that I can have one person Horse Spiriting around while another is using Calamity Gate to counter hidden weapons on C25, for example. You'll say "lol why play that map", revealing that you're a fag who doesn't actually like playing Fire Emblem. They can also trade these items around, allowing people to use the same weapon multiple times in one turn.

>>717991801 (OP)
I hate Pegasus riders, they're fucking stupid. Sure the mov and spd are nice, but they can neither dish out nor take any damage. Glorified APCs.

>>718001801
They'd have to be able to take some hits to fulfill the armored part of that acronym.

>>718001801
Use Shiida and lose your biases. You will learn how to use pegasluts and see how strong they really are.

>>718001385
>>718001681
If your unit’s defense is too high in CQ to the point they take next to no damage, enemies will just ignore attacking that unit and beeline for squishier units. Not a great tactic.

why yes I would let any of the pegasus knights peg me

>>718001873
Caeda is just a Winged Spear delivery system.

>>718001921
that's cool, now show me where I brought up conquest at any point

We need a new weapon type.

>>718001987
I was very clearly replying to someone else as well since you both were replying to the same person who was talking about CQ, you retarded nigger.

>>718002031
They literally add a new one or multiple every entry, what more do you want

>>718001987
You were speaking about general practices for investment of stat boosters in Fire Emblem, which Conquest is a part of that series.

>>718001681
>Every extra enemy
Here's what you don't understand, there is a point where the hypothetical extra bulk stops mattering. Once you have enough to tank and spank the enemy phase, then the extra bulk is nice to have but irrelevant. Its the same reason why knights are frequently seen as outclassed.

>>718002031
Gun

>>718001979
Shiida is a beast even without it, as seen in FE1-3.

>>717991801 (OP)
I love Chloé!

>>718002219
Jean…

>>718002154
Knights are not seen as outclassed because of anything relating to bulk except ironically lack of bulk.

>>718002197
>5 base STR
>20% growth
Is she? It's been a while since I played FE3 but that doesn't look promising.

>level 15
>5 str

literally indefensible garbage

Elise, Nyx and Ophelia all ram their magic caps. Camilla + 3 dusts only has like ~24 magic at 20 as a Malig.
It's really just Odin and Leo desu.

>>718002154
He already said he wants to see Marcus go from 8RKO'd to 16RKO'd. He has no concept of diminishing returns. Dude lives in a fantasy land where you're taking on 16 enemies per turn in FE7.

>>718002031
No, they just need to bring back hidden weapons and light magic.

>>718002352
Knights have a lot of def but it almost never matters because Paladins and Wyverns have adequate bulk but with better everything else.

>>718002445
>you're taking on 16 enemies per turn in FE7
You're not?

>>718002501
Of course they aren't. They don't know how to invest in their units.

>>718002154
ok anon, now tell me the difference between 5 damage x5 and 3 damage x5
you always put your dracoshield on the unit that sees the most combat because the boost rises up exponentially with every physical enemy they fight, even if it's not the difference between life and death, often it'll be the difference between being able to go another round or needing a vulnerary or nearby healer
otherwise who else are you using it on? your healer who will never see combat in the first place? your 6 def mage who will fight maybe 2 enemies at most and will still get 2 rounded by them anyway?

>>718002407
It's not even that Camilla can't benefit from them - 24 mag is definitely serviceable after additional boosting. But like, to pretend she's a serious contender for all 4-5 spirit dusts, when she does perfectly fine with pure physical.
Leo doesn't need them either, incidentally. Brother is a nuke.

>>718002501
Show me a single enemy phase in FE7 where 16 non-reinforcing enemies can reach you at once. I'd be impressed if you found one with 10-12, frankly.

>>718002658
Cogs and the Limstella map, easily.

>>718002407
>Caps
Not only is that a dumb thing in CQ where units struggle to get exp once promoted, but it's not even true. Only Elise reaches her cap because strategist has a low cap compared to sorceror.

>>718002692
Bullshit. You're overestimating the density here. It's not even SAFE to take on 16 Cog enemies, and no robe will help with that.

>>718002765
Maybe a bit, but that example of doubling from 8RKO to 16RKO was hyperbole to begin with. Like you're admitting here, at this point in the game it's much more like 4RKO, and even earlier you probably aren't getting to silly things like 8RKO without these defensive investments, which is a more realistic amount of enemies to be tackling in a single turn.

>>718002573
>Le put the shield on a healer or mage meme
I'm telling you to put it on a melee combat unit who'd benefit from it more than the one that already has sufficient enough bulk to tank enemy phase.

>>718002658
False Friends

>>718002879
Yeah, so it's a total waste to robe Marcus. That is logical the conclusion of this discussion. Early game he's not struggling to survive off his base HP/states, lategame a robe won't even be felt. Meanwhile a robe to Florina early game can set her up to be another juggernaut.

>>718003025
In order to definitively do that, we'd have to demonstrate when and where an Angelic Robe and Dracoshield lets Marcus reliably tackle more enemies. Instead we can appeal to the fact that not every scenario is perfect, sometimes Marcus will be going without healing, or get crit, and the extra bulk can often be felt in the bad scenarios. Marcus getting stat booster help will mean he doesn't fall off, he can continue to be used for supports and worst case he can Rescue.

>>718002901
and my point doesn't have anything to do with that.
read through my post again, understand the points I'm making, and ask yourself whether you think I put the dracoshield on seth or on duessel, considering the fact that I said at the very beginning that it should depend on who sees the most combat

stat boosters are gay and if you use them you didn't beat the game(s)

>>718003301
Oy vey, this is Annasemitism

>>718003301
If Charm is a stat, I'm gonna pump that on my women.
Make their lips and breasts drip with appeal.

>>718003196
Marcus has 8 Luck at base. Unless the enemy has 18+ skill or a +crit weapon like the infamous killer javelin, its not a common enough scenario to worry about.

>>717995641
Chloe looks so good in cosplay gear.

>>718003119
My favorite unit was and amazing murder machine after I babied them, fed them all the exp I could, and gave them every stat booster in the game! They’re really good! I promise!

>>718003714
Ironically the first instance where a robe might seriously matter (Zoldam) is one where you can't give him amyway.

>>718003196
Why does he need to rescue? This isn't a discussion of Marcus's utility or goodness versus Florina - we know he's good and can do many things. It's a question of whether he meaningfully benefits from a robe. You don't need to mathematically, you can use some common sense.
Marcus has 8 base luck/30 growth, he's not very likely to get crit during his prime because an enemy needs 18 Skill to display 1% on him or a weapon with crit on it, both of which are highly unusual to say the least. And you can just avoid high crit rates, it isn't some great ask.
You can also just...you know, heal any damage he does take with a staff.

I feel like anyone would balk at the notion of robing Seth, but it's virtually as silly to robe Marcus. He is an incredibly potent, naturally durable unit for most of the game, and you notice functionally no benefit from robing him. I think everyone can understand the idea of making "the good better," it's just that Marcus is not that unit ffs - the effect has to be *felt*. I'd robe Erk before Marcus.

>>718003923
Why does he need a robe to rescue*

>>718003715
>>717993973

And fetish gear.

>>718002116
More. I want more.

>>718002031
bring back proper weapon triangle and introduce new weapon - cock
Nothing beats cock and it deals effective damage to peg knights

War elephants, yes or no?

>>718004540
Only as a flavor thing. Like that would be some kind of cav-armor Great Knight unit for Almyrans or Plegians.

>>718004450
Female units also become incapacitated for one turn as they gyrate up and down on the battlefield in broad daylight.

Claire
>Cute as fuck
>Great personality
>If Tobin dies cheers up a drunk and depressive Gray proving that she is an amazing wife

Remember to give your pegasluts the Steel Blade

>>718004692
She's pretty alright.

>>718002360
Karin was the MVP in my ironman until I lost due to lack of keys/thieves at the very end

>>717991801 (OP)
the male one

>>718002360
bro your strength growth boosting scrolls?

>>718002360
>dismounts
>uses Magic Sword

>>717999975
Plenty of units could use more magic, especially in a game like Fates where you unironically have people jerking off over skills like +2 mag.

>>718005058
But anon, if you give that unit the stat booster, then when they hit 20/18 in Chapter 26, they'll normally have capped that stat already, so you'll waste 1 point of that stat booster for the rest of the game (2 chapters). Pay no mind to the 15 chapters where you had +2 MAG. Give it to this scrimblo instead.

>>718002360
Skill issue

>>718005058
>>718005201
Yes, you should give them all to Camilla who barely has better base magic than the supposedly worst mage in the game.

>>718002360
>No strong weaponry on her
Do you even pegaslut?

>>718005421
My favorite mage in the game is Corrin. Corrin doesn't usually get good 1-2 range so it's an attractive option.

>Odin is good if you just give him your spirit dust!
>And your speedwing!
>And a Nos tome!
>And a second thunder for refine so he can benefit from his prf!
>And a secondary seal.
>But if you do those simple things he'll totally be almost as good as your other magic units!

>>718005421
Camilla has big speed, flight, trample and defensive stats. Not to mention, she has tome rank and forges to work with as well.

>>718004540
As a class not sure though the Elephant and Camel riders were interesting in FE Storge.
But I think they could be interesting as a monster type enemy unit.
Have them being rode by several long range units each with their own turn.
Then after defeated the animal goes berserk and then you have to beat it.

>>718005347
do you save and re-roll before every level up?

>>718005421
As someone that isn't even meant to be a mage that's not the own you think it is.

>>718005595
anon thracia gives you a ton of growth boosting scrolls that stack

>>718005591
That's a very creative idea, I like it

>>718005695
And even beyond that, just Capturing some Magic Sword guys then giving her some Pure Waters will really change your outlook on what she's capable of. Karin's really good.

I am fucked, am I

>>718005579
I too like to make shit up.
>>718005584
>Shitting on the guy who brought up caps and mentioning Trample in the same conversation
That's also a late game skill for everyone not named Felicia and Jakob

>>718005772
This chapter's worse than it looks unless you play aggressively.
>>718005798
Camilla has internal level 15 at promoted 1 so she does reach Trample earlier than other people, especially with some knowhow.

>>718005772
it's either a pretty tough map or a really easy one

>>718005835
This chapter looks worse than it is*. Good lord.

>>718005772
Arguably the easiest map in the franchise. It's only "hard" if you try to get every reward.

>>718005772
The green units will be at your position soon, don't worry

>>718005664
9/0 Odin has ~10 Mag, Base Nyx has 12 Mag. Camilla has 11 at what's functionally level 15. Any other magic user would be better

>>718005772
the green units are EVIL and will attack you

>>718006153
Odin and Nyx have the durability of wet tissue paper, especially Nyx, Odin can take a hit most of the time at least. Camilla's the tankiest unit on your team and she loves good 1-2 range.

>>718006153
Camilla also has like double their speed, double their defense stat and flight though. Hell, reclass her to sorceror and suddently Camilla doesn't even have bad mag

>>718006312
Yeah, that's +3 to her base so she's tying 17/0 Odin. Odin still has 3 levels to go to get that +3 MAG from promo.

>>718006312
>Reclass her to sorc
Then her bulk tanks and she loses flight.

>>718002139
The debate is about 7, conqueer

>>718006153
Camilla isn't a mage, she's hybrid at best. The fact that she's still arguably a better recipient of a magic boost is more indicative of how bad Odin is.

>>718006513
Odin also has a higher STR than MAG growth if not for being in Dark Mage.

>>718006436
She actually has arguably better bulk as a sorceror, as she gets extra res and access to nos, plus the passive bonuses of sorceror. Losing flight is the real stinker.

>>718006513
Odin's growths are also mixed, he defaults into a magic class. She is flatout worse than Odin at taking the dusts.

>>718006575
Cool, so he's also capable of being a bad physical unit.
>Why yes I do want to waste my heart seal on fucking Samurai Odin

>>718006754
People do that pretty often for Vantage Ophelia, yeah.

>>718006513
>>718006623
>>718006754
Vantage!Sorc > whatever Camilla can do as a mage.

I know people were joking about it when the Switch 2 was revealed, but we may unironically need a Three Houses Switch 2 Edition at this point. The game's fucking ugly and unoptimized. If a Switch 2 Edition existed, what would you like it to add?

Odin should never get the dusts. Even Felicia is better with them.

>>718006689
Odin doesn't double anything while Camilla consistently doubles. The dust is a +4 on Camilla compared to Odin's +2 that he gets.

>>718006689
Magic dust gives Camilla, a fantastic unit already, a slightly better secondary option to her primary "hit shit with an axe"
Magic dust makes Odin slightly less awful.

>>718006849
You do get a Flame Shuriken early on in Conquest and it's a solid weapon. I think Felicia and Jakob are cool for being able to learn late-game skills early. You can make them strong if they get the right classes from their partners.

>>718006824
War of the Heroes prequel with Rhea as the lord and the other dragons as your units. If IS made the DLC then we would have gotten something like that

>>718005732
Wonder if monsters have become staples now.
Monsters as in several tiles big guy that is an obstacle.

>>718006803
Sure, but that's an investment for Ophelia, not because Samurai Odin is actually worth a shit on its own merit.

>>718006821
>whatever Camilla can do as a mage
Lunge mages are pretty insane, you really have a one track mind. Must be from all the wiki fagging and eceleb cocksucking, I'd guess.

>>718006892
>Having problems getting units to double in conquest
What is this 2016?

>>718007013
>talking about conquest
>debating Odin scrimbloing
Yeah it must be

>>718005595
It was my ironman so no. She got blessed super early with some of the shittier scrolls and then the later ones and promotion bonuses helped carry the momentum a bit

>>718007000
I've had Odins that do well but they were blessed. Which isn't that uncommon with his pretty good growths in Samurai. He has one of the higher growth totals in the game. That's mostly what Gen 1 comes down to in Conquest for me. If the unit got good levels while I was using them to get their kid, I keep them. If not, they're a backpack at best. And Odin as a +SPD backpack in Samurai isn't bad either. It's far from a waste of a Heart Seal, though yeah, you're likely not giving him your first one.

>>718006824
- More unique maps with side objectives
- Rescue drop mechanic
- Playable Jeralt, Rhea and Shez
- Voiced Byleth supports
- More unique maps with side objectives
- Revamp holy knight so it does not suck anymore

can you fags shut up?

>>718006375
They should do something like this with a recurring boss who you always beat like the hounds and then they promote in game and now they are Black Knight tier.

>>718007000
>Odin can do the exact same shit as Ophelia as a mage but he's a bad unit while she's a good one
Lmao

>>718007013
Considering that Odin has among the worst spd bases in the game as a dark mage, it is a problem especially when his mag isn't even good either. I do not want to invest all my resources so that he can do something that Camilla can do naturally or with a single tonic.

Odin doesn't do a bad job with the first Heart Seal though. A ton of the early enemies you're fighting are Axe users. He can go left on C10. C9 is mostly Axe users. His join chapter has a ton.

>>718007010
>lunge mages
>ecelebs and wiki unprompted
Reaching

>>718007013
In lunatic you absolutely have to be mindful of double thresholds.

>>718007245
>All my resources
Maids give Mag/Spd, Adventurers give a lot of Spd and some movement. Break away from the generic Odin/Elise pair and let him run with Nyx or Felicia instead if you really need the speed.

>>718006824
an actual fucking comprehensible plot

>>718007306
>Needing to spend the first heart seal on Odin for 10 when Nosferatu handles the Onis with Nyx pair up

>>718007194
Ophelia has good growths, Odin has bad growths. Simple as that.

>>718007565
I wanted to say Felicia hobbles Ophelia but surely there's some nice things to be done here. Like passing down Shurikenbreaker.

>>718007361
>The skill that allows to break the most dangerous enemy formations in the game
>Off a rare reliable 1-2 range unit type who targets the lower defensive stat
>Off a unit who can tank, nostank and double enemies
>Reaching
(lol

>>718007642
I don't need to spend the first Heart Seal on anything. But I've used it on a lot of different things, since I've replayed this game a lot and you might as well fuck around with it.

>>718007565
That still isn't enough to make him double stuff, it just makes him avoid being a slowmo who gets doubled by everything. It also gimps him of his mag, which he also needs because he's deficient in that too.

I will never play Conquest, Three Houses, or Engage.

>>718006824
Everything this guy said >>718007160
but also
>weapon triangle (make it a toggle, or enabled in Hard mode and higher)
>add in some of the Heroes alt outfits, like Dorothea's Plegian outfit for Rhea's Valentines outfit
>Shez as a student in the first half, and has to be saved/re-recruited in the second half from Epimenides
>more differentiation between Verdant Wind and Silver Snow

When is the next FE game?

>>718007647
Ophelia can also have way better magic growth depending on who her mom is (i.e. the three obvious go to options)

>>718005058
>especially in a game like Fates where you unironically have people jerking off over skills like +2 mag.
Yes, it's valuable on MAGES. Of which there are not many. It isn't valuable on Effie, Arthur, and Xander. The reason Spirit Dusts are not hotly contested is because there simply are not that many natural mages who even need the help. Most natural mages have high enough magic to reach 1RKO thresholds without the assistance, so it isn't useful on them either.

>>718007665
>The skill that allows to break the most dangerous enemy formations in the game
which ones

>>718008005
when the next devil survivor game comes out

>>718008067
>Most natural mages have high enough magic to reach 1RKO thresholds without the assistance, so it isn't useful on them either.
How convenient.

I played conquest and I used all of my spirit drops on Malig Knight Belka because I dislike Camilla and I thought it would be funny

>>718006824
60 FPS and whatever high resolution can sustain that.
Less muddy textures in general assuming they still have the source assets for them.
Way to streamline the Monastery more, ideally so it could be done all through quick menu-ing.
Maybe some new maps and content but I'd rather that effort go towards a new game at this point.
New in-engine FMV cutscenes since Three Hopes showed they can look quite good.

>>718008308
>take your crit tank
>make them a mage
Retard

>>718008067
>Nyx and Leo could always use more damage for mid game
>Camilla could use it to be a better Hybrid
>Corrin, Felicia, and Nina could all get good use out of it
>Elise might need it if she promotes early

>>718008214
When is the next devil survivor game coming out?

>>718007837
Maid!Felicia: 3 Mag/5 Spd
Maid!Elise: 5 Mag/4 Spd
Adventurer!Nyx: 3 Mag/6 Spd
Its more than enough to get him to start doubling.

>>718008308
I always promote her to wyvern lord also beruka a cute

>>718008349
>Way to streamline the Monastery more, ideally so it could be done all through quick menu-ing.
they should just replace it with small war camp in part 2
It is stupid that your army keeps marching back and forth between every single mission
We captured some important bridge? Nice, now let's go back to the monastery and plant some tomatoes

>>718008349
>New in-engine FMV cutscenes since Three Hopes showed they can look quite good.
I imagine we'd have had more of this if Koei had time. 3H was their first proper FE game, and it was made in only two years.

>>718008114
Both sides of the Ryoma map can be broken with Lunge, for instance. The only reason why a flier can't do it is because there's bows put there to prevent that strat specifically, but a sorceror doesn't have to worry about that.

>>718008505
I was only playing on hard anyway and she was a prime time defensive wall. Her access to horse spirit was especially fun

>>718008229
I mean, yes? It's great that the game is balanced so well, and spirit dusts are so utterly uncontested, you have anons (niggers) pretending that Camilla - a wyvern rider - needs the spirit dusts. That's how far we have to reach to make a scrimblo look bad in Fates. The fact that ONE base-class mage needs them, and all the rest are fine without them is an example of good balance. And yes, it is very convenient.
Now that's settled, then.
>>718008506
>Nyx and Leo
We're pretending we're using Nyx now lmao. Get the fuck out. Also Nyx literally never needs a single mag booster, and precisely needs a booster in everything else.
Leo is also perfectly fine nuking shit without even a +mag pair-up for most of the game.
>Felicia
is ASS. Total meme. Don't waste this shit on her. Flame shuriken is a joke, and she has no bulk.
>Nina(??????)
>Corrin, Elise
Just stop, anon

>>718008767
Magic Corrin is good. I'm not backing down on this.

>>718005772
It's fucking awful, like one of the worst in the series if you play like me and impulsively get every item. If you don't it's not bad

>>718008525
How slow do you think CQ enemies are? Odin barely has 15 spd at 16/1, we're not talking about a fast unit here. Even the unpromoted ch11 enemies struggle to get doubled with a +6 spd pairup at that level, Odin's speed is ass.

>>718008767
>Retard Odin nigger can't even defend his shitty scrimblo without shitting on other, better units
Odin and Arthur fags are both like this, I wonder why.

>>718008605
When I did the ryoma map last time conquest hard the ninjas literally one turn like every fucking unit, unbelieveable. I couldn't bait them at all. I ended up just reloading until I beat ryoma and didn't explore the map at all

>>718008767
>>718008931
+Magic Corrin is arguably the best mage in the game, vastly better than Odin.

i love when we pretend like fates isnt a game where you cant give any unit +10 spd through pairup+dance+tonic whenever you feel like it

>>718008792
That's also true. The spirit dust is both immediately useful on Camilla when she uses tomes and useful down the line once she uses the very strong Bolt Axe. With all the Bolt Axe Elise memes, you would think that giving the weapon to Camilla would be a no brainer

>most optimal male MU in FE12 is a pirate
man... i just wanted a mage self-insert...

>>718009209
I've used +SPD, +MAG and +HP Horse Spirit Corrin and it always kicks ass. Does take some time to get it running.

>>718008931
Magic Corrin is insane, in fact. So you pick a magic boon, pair them with Gunter or Felicia, and blast shit to smithereens for the entirety of the game. She never needs even a single booster to do this effectively. Suggesting Corrin should get a spirit dust is like that meme with the fat man drinking all the drank while an emaciated skelly is dying underneath his girth, getting only a single drop.
You guys sure like to overfeed already OP units.
>>718009117
The thrust of this conversation - that has manifested in multiple forms, namely Marcus v. Florina, Odin v. Camilla - has nothing to do with which units are better and worse. Not primarily, anyway. It's about efficient, reasonable distribution of resources. Giving a spirit dust to Leo or Corrin is inane. Giving a robe to Marcus is absurd. You are imbecilic.

>>718009291
Horse Spirit has 4 MT and she wants to use it most of the time. Every bit of MAG helps.

should I train this shota mage? he's currently being mogged by linde and I fear merric will just replace him whenever he shows up

>>718009263
For me it's +Mag -Str, makes for a really strong dragon abuser until you can finally pivot to full mage.

>give Orochi the only two speed wings in Birthright outside the paralogues (didn’t S support anyone)
>still can’t double a single enemy including generals due to wary fighter
What the actual fuck

>>718009384
No he sucks. His sister is good though.

>>718009423
Yeah, +MAG gives you a lot of great opportunities for one-shots with the Dragonstone.

>>718009242
>Yoo don't get it! Just spend money, glue a high rank support partner and dance every turn for Scrimblo and his stats won't look absolutely horrible!
(lol

>>718009506
The only reason the scrimblo is even getting used is because he has a kid. He should be happy he gets this much.

>>718009372
I'm unconvinced Corrin needs a single spirit dust to 1RKO the vast majority of enemies with HS, and a Gunter pair-up. She's fucking cracked, I can't overstate this enough. She literally has everything going for her and you want to give her even more.
Leo there is kind of an argument if you have no one else in line, and even he really does not need the help.

>>718009506
150 gold and "a high rank support partner" are not hard things to get in fates

>>717991801 (OP)
But actually, the real objective true answer is all pegasus girls are best girls

>>718009431
Horse Spirit + Sage/Ninja pair up.
You're welcome.

>>718009084
You're overstating the speed of enemies in Conquest. They're not THAT fast.

>>718008582
I just mean you have the option of walking around the Monastery and doing things normally or using a "planner" feature to pick out activities for the day which then all resolve at once without actually cutting away to show each respective activity in action. This would mean nerfing the tea time activity in some way since it'd need to be done automatically but they could replace it with a generic activity that just raises motivation and support and leave tea time as a separate thing for fan service.

>>718002360
>complaining about stat growths in Thracia
Literal skill issue. Always throw scrolls on people to level. If you aren't capping str/mag and speed on everyone you bother using, you are wasting the exp.

Any expectations for the CYL designs tonight?
Male Byleth is probably about to get a quick surge of fanart, but do you expect Jeralt or Sothis cosplay?

>>718009847
>a "planner" feature to pick out activities for the day which then all resolve at once without actually cutting away to show each respective activity in action
Is this feature online only? Never heard about it before

>>718009737
She has horse spirit and she’s A supported paired up with Kagero already. She maxed out magic on her own and she never misses due to getting good skill growth on level ups but she still can’t even ORKO a single general due to their maxed out health and she get destroyed like a wet piece of paper. I love her but shit she’s actually genuinely useless as a unit.

>>718009529
His kid is such hot shit that metafags feel like they have to pretend that Odin is good instead of admitting the truth that using the shitty father is the investment required for her.
>Only reasonable access to Horse Spirit and Calamity Gale is through her paralogue
>Strong ass unit
>Hot as fuck
Just admit that you want to bang Ophelia already

>>718007951
Because you can't afford them?

We know

>>718010068
It's not a feature. It's how I would try to implement streamlining options for 3H's Monastery.

>>718002360
there is a reason of why Shartcia sucks

>>718010191
ah, I see
something like that definitely would be cool on replays

>>718009084
21 AS doubles everything except for like Ninjas, Samurai and Hinoka.
https://imgur.com/a/tMI60

>>718010259
Which is half the map, plus the mages that also don't get doubled. Considering that it's at the high investment of level 16 promoted with a max spd pairup for an early map, that's garbage.

>>718010189
>can't afford them
That doesn't even make sense, emulating them is piss easy.
More like can't afford wasting my time on such fucking garbage.

>>718010168
Everything that makes Ophelia strong as a unit comes from daddy (Dark Mage, Vantage and Life and Death). He can do the exact same shit if you bother to use him.

Odin is like level 11 in C11.

>>718010423
and yet you are here shitting your pants

>>718010124
She’d unironically be a better unit in CQ since Nohrians generally have higher res and Hoshidians have lower res

>I only play the games my toaster can emulate
>The recent games? W-who wants to play that shit

>>718010543
I am in fact shitting
shitting all over these trash games.

>>718010458
Ophelia is good because out of the box she's a fast mage that hits like a truck. Having access to those other tools elevates her but as can clearly be seen with Odin those tools mean jack shit if you're bases are bad.

>>718010458
It’s a matter of stats and investment, dummy. Ophelia will more than like have better stats due to her mom and access to two very valuable scrolls for free from her paralogue alone. Odin has average stats in everything like Subaki making him good at essentially nothing.

>>718010168
Here is the thing. Ophelia is "good" in that she has very high potential thanks to the LaD+Vantage meme. Which Odin can also do.
On her base merits, she's not even necessarily better than Leo. Just another Dork Knight. Kinda bad HP and bulk, but better speed. Nothing noteworthy.

If you're doing the LaD memebuild, that's when she stands out. But you only need a magic stat for this. Ophelia is better than Odin at because her mag tends to reaches critical kill thresholds unaided (by boosters), with a good mom. But as we've established, the spirit dusts are not that contested, so...Odin can actually do the same thing. If you're not using those for anything else.

Is he worse? Yes. Is he garbage? No. If anons didn't want to fuck the chuuni slut and tried it with a male (ew, yuck), they'd see he can more or less do it too.

>>718010747
>But as we've established, the spirit dusts are not that contested
When was that established? Reading this thread, you just want to assume Odin gets scrimblo'd by default when that isn't the case at all.

>>718007160
Three Houses doesn't have rescuing?

I always thought Ophelia's Vantage/Vengeance shit was a gimmick. She's a solid blaster though.

I like fire emblem old men

>>718010406
You need 13 Spd for Onis, 16 for Archers, 18 for Mages and 19 for Pegasi.
I don't know what world you live in where 21 is less than 18 but I'd like to be there.

By the way, 10/0 Odin with Maid/Butler and Tonic has 13 AS to double Onis. If you're at 15/0 with the same setup then he has 16 AS for the archers.

Nice try though.

>>718010950
Not him but conquest does have a lot of spirit dusts. So many that people were giving them to Camilla during the relays just for bolt axe memes

>>718011003
>Pass down vantage
She can naturally reclass to samurai
>right mom
Even a Ophelia with a bad mom mogs Odin
>Accuracy
She does not have issues there
>Master of Arms
Just to break the game further.

>>718011085
Only as a white magic spell
You cavalry units can't rescue anyone

>>718011085
No. The closest thing we've had to Rescue again was Shelter in Fates and you had to go out of your way to get that skill and there are much better skills to pick up so no one uses it.

>>718011226
>>718011253
Does it not have weapon triangle either?

>>718011172
>>Pass down vantage
>She can naturally reclass to samurai
You aren't reasonably getting Ophelia 2 levels as a Samurai by the time you can recruit her.

>>718011172
>Even a Ophelia with a bad mom mogs Odin
Lol no shot. If it isn't Nyx or Elise her magic won't even be considerably better than his

>>718010950
Then offer a serious contender, because Camilla ain't cutting it, anon. I know you you don't give Cam the dusts, you use her with an axe. No one gave Camilla a single dust during the ~7 relay attempts, but when it comes time to talk about Odin's needs, suddenly Bolt Axe Cam is everyone's favorite strategy. Curious!

>>718011279
it has skills that emulate it but you need to learn and then manually equip them

>>718011003
>already using odin as a scrimblo
>thinks pressing confirm for the s support when the time comes for an otherwise useless mom on just about anyone else after he learns a skill you get at level 10+ unpromoted is a major investment
Lol retard

>>718011321
>No one gave Camilla a single dust during the ~7 relay attempts
Yes they did and it was a waste

>>718010716
>>718010717
>Out of the box fast mage
She grows into one (assuming Elise is the mother) thanks to her getting 75 Mag/60 Spd. But that comes at the cost of inheriting the terrible bulk and accuracy that Elise has.
She's just Nyx with better PR.

>>718011172
>Accuracy
>She does not have issues there
she does if her mom is felicia, elise, or nyx

>>718011419
>heart seals arent a major investment
you dont play fates

>>718011279
No, just breaker skills.

>>718011440
Nyx is a bit underrated in this regard. I agree Ophelia and her are similar. Their performance on PP is not drastically different.

>>718011431
Maybe it was in one of the attempts that occurred before I started participating. I agree it's kind of a waste on Camilla. I mean, obviously it can work. Tons of things can work in Fates, and mag kill thresholds are low. It's just so aggressively...frivolous. Truth be told I don't even love the bolt axe esp. on a damn wyvern. You want to be using Horse Spirit and Calamity Gate as much as possible and Cammers sucks ass with those.

>>718011321
>i’m a schizophrenic that makes up scenarios in my head the never happened and pretend like they do
Curious!

>>718011418
>>718011509
What the fuck is this garbage. I didn't think it would be that bad.

>>717991801 (OP)
EnGAYgies BTFO!

>>718010747
If I wanted to do it with a male I'd just pass Sam to Leo.

>>718011541
>Their performance on PP
i'd like them to give a performance on my PP if you catch my drift

>>718011498
>pretending you’ll have enough S supports grinded up in Conquest for heart seals to be a competitive commodity
Lol retard

>>718011093
Firsr off, you need 5 AS to double in Fates, so that's already all your numbers being wrong. Second, onis are the rarest enemy on the map, so treating them as common is disingenuous to say the least. Third, now you have to include tonics because you are just noticing that Odin still isn't doubling with your bad calcs and with your suppositions while trying to pretend to be impartial, so that's just cope.
Just admit that your scrimblo is a scrimblo.

>>718011654
Flies and shit, anon.

>>718011087
Best boys.

>>718011730
thats not how heart seals work so thanks for proving my point

>>718009242
I don't use tonics. They're gay.

>>718011654
>list has to exclude Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Smash, Donkey Kong, and Pokemon to make FE look good
(lol

>>718011773
Must be especially dire if Engage is shit specifically made to cater to weebs and otukus and still can’t draw them in.

>>718011654
Shut the fuck up, Anti-Engage schizo. We're arguing about Odin

Odin is a special unit. He's special in that he's a very mediocre unit who is also both the only real nos abuser you get in the early game (outside of Corrin maybe) and a lot of really strong things are locked behind him or rather his seed
You use Odin, but it's absolutely a "you use him because you kind of have to" rather than a "you use him because he himself is a good long term investment". Does that make him a good unit? I mean maybe, it's an edge case where this whole retarded conceit of good vs bad units starts to fall apart. But in the traditional "kills stuff good or keeps your army alive" sense he is probably going to perform worse than most units.

>>718011938
I try not to use them because I'm cheap but if I game over on a map a couple times I'll buy some to help people reach some thresholds.

>>718009242
Every Fire Emblem unit debate is just some degree of pretending stat boosters that do exist, don't exist. Shit is annoying. It feels so disingenuous that the free stats are right there and I KNOW you're hoarding them, but you have the nerve to pull a
>erm, but you can't do that

>>718011843
>waste a bunch of resources on a bad unit to make them mediocre
O:

>use a single item to make a good unit even better right out of the box
):<

>>718012015
>Engage is shit specifically made to cater to weebs and otukus
nah

>>718011763
Why are you responding to me when you can't do basic math? The enemy stats were linked in an earlier post.

>>718012140
>But in the traditional "kills stuff good or keeps your army alive" sense he is probably going to perform worse than most units
Right that's how I'd describe the guy who easily solos half of the map in ch 10. Certainly no carry like Arthur

>>718012161
>the free stats are right there and I KNOW you're hoarding them
but what if i need them LATER

>>718012161
Yeah, I hate pretending that I have to give Florina the Angelic Robe when I could give it to a good chunk of my army as well. It really is annoying to try to lock players into your autistic playstyle.

>>718010998
>Well structured critiques of a deeply flawed female character:
>"AHHHH YOU JUST HATE HER BECAUSE SHE'S A WOMAN YOU CHUD"
>Fans harass and seethe at a real woman for imagined slights:
>"..."

>>718012307
You are free to waste a robe on Marcus. I'm free to mock you.

>>718012310
>imagined slights
Imagined? Imagined??? Anon she's the reason Fire Emblem is shit now.

>>718012202
Who else do vtumors cater to?

>>718012210
>Onis have 9 spd
>You need 13 spd to double
Go back to elementary school

>>718012161
I almost always use my stat boosters right as I get them. Conquest is one of the few exceptions, where I save a Speedwing or two you get before (I don't remember exactly) for Xander, because it makes a huge difference on his juggernauting capabilities and I think this is a reasonable assumption given Xander is your best 1-2 range unit by far. Many other people agree he's worthy of the investment of a few Speedwings.

>>718012254
Nigger standing in a corner and beating 4 axe units before retreating because a ninja spawned is not "solo'ing half a map"

>>718011763
>Odin is too slow to double with +6 AS from an S Support
>show him doubling with +5 at a reasonable level
>IT DOESNT COUNT
Anti Odinfags are dishonest.

>>718012458
That's assuming he tanks those axe units btw, which he doesn't. His defensive stats are also bad.

>>718010998
>The writer who saved Fire Emblem

*kneels*

>>718012161
>Every Fire Emblem unit debate is just some degree of pretending stat boosters that do exist, don't exist.
Fire Emblem unit debate is stuck in PoR era where we pretend that bases are the end all be all and that reclassing and skills and pairup and tonics dont exist

Komuro defenders are so weird man. Even most of us who like Fates and Engage still fucking hate her and wish she was fired.

>>718012419
>Odin is too slow to double even with a massive speed injection from pair up
>But what about base speed Odin
The eternally shifting goal post.

>>718012535
>Everything about your post is wrong, from the math to the enemy distribution of the map. Don't sneak in new shit to try to make him look better when we're already being generous to him btw
>REEE YOU'RE AVOIDING THE ARGUMENT
Odinfags are dishonest.

>>718010998
>Saves the series.
>IS is honour bound to support her for her contributions.
>Retards imply she fucked someone and screech when the line doesnt go up.

>>718012161
>Every Fire Emblem unit debate is just some degree of pretending stat boosters that do exist, don't exist
It's moreso a debate over how much bang for buck stat boosters will give you, other than obvious strawmen, of course.

>>718012570
I use the strat anon is jerking himself off over, it's very heavily contingent on Odin hitting mag benchmarks he might not hit and on Nyx providing artillery support (NOOOO THAT STILL COUNTS AS A SOLO THOUGH AHHHHH). He also wants a Selene backpack to have any chance at doubling.

Round 4 of castle defense. Lookin' toasty

>>718012813
One side is arguing the only usage of the stat boosters is Odin and everyone else is arguing that you can in fact do other things with the stat booster.

>>718012752
Onis, not Odin. Not only are you lacking in elementary level map, but apparently your brain isn't even developed enough to recognize a sequence of symbols.

>>718012683
I dont.
Fuck off poser.

>>718006375
>3-13 archer looks like THAT?

>>718012570
It's virtually impossible for Odin to die to the onis assuming a) relevant tonics are purchased, b) defensive or mag pair-up is used (e.g. Nyx, Effie), and c) the player makes reasonable decisions - i.e. always attack at range, pay attention to guard meter on paired onis, preferentially target onis low on HP to finish them off.
Virtually impossible. Genuinely. It may actually be literally impossible, with a base Odin. There's no real RNG in this strategy.

>>718012647
>>718012795
>Saves
This is like saying Steve Jobs saved the internet by introducing normies to it with the smart phone

>>718012992
>Defensive or mag pairups
But now you're no longer getting the totally foolproof spd pairup. I though that doubling was free in Fates...

Big tited girls from H3

>>718012458
Literally just not how it plays unless you're retarded. He's unkillable if you tonic and give him a good support, and makes the map significantly easier

>>718013309
How so? Tons of people can do that room and many of them easier than him.

>>718012884
>>718012813
It's literally pointless to point out that a boost, an item, an effect is "contested." We know that Fire Emblem games contain multiple units in them, all of whom are candidates for training. I seriously think this is the dumbest, most hypocritical argument FEfags have always made. You probably don't like it when it's applied to Mozu or Anna's heart seal, for example. I'm not even a Mozufag, but I've never liked that argument against her.

The baked-in assumption in bringing up stat boosters in unit discussions is that you ARE using the unit in question. So given that, the the real question is this: what does the unit offer you when you make them a part of your team and invest stat boosters in them, as you logically should? Is it worthwhile? No?

It should never be "um, but I actually don't want to use Odin/Mozu/Anna in the first place, because someone else needs that resource." Entertain the notion in good faith, and then point out the flaws in it.

>>718013174
He's using a Nosferatu he can't double anyways

>>718012254
He absolutely does not do that.

>>718013413
>Miss

>>718013393
>do that room
Im sorry what? I'm talking about ch 10, not this free ass map you're referring to

>>718013402
But I'm only arguing with them since they're claiming it's the only use of the stat booster. I don't have a problem with assuming Odin gets the Spirit Dusts if you're using him. I have a problem with the claim that it's the optimal and only choice that you can do with them.

>>718012992
>It's virtually impossible for Odin to die to the onis assuming a) relevant tonics are purchased, b) defensive or mag pair-up is used (e.g. Nyx, Effie), and c) the player makes reasonable decisions
That’s some “shoot the cyberdemon until he dies” tier advice right there.

>>718013485
>what is heartseeker
He has like 100 hit even at WTD against the spear fighters retard

>>718012889
>>718012786
>One anon says 9 + 5 = 13 and the other one is claiming that 21 AS isn't enough to double 13 Spd enemies
Neck yourselves. You can make anyone double in Conquest unless you're incompentent. Mages more so when they get 3 extra from horse spirit.

>>718013562
I do assume people attempting to play Conquest well have at least 95 IQ.

>>718013558
I just pointed out that nobody else needs them that badly. You won't feel their loss too much. I didn't say it's the only use for them. I've used the damn things on Peri before.

>>718013652
>claiming that 21 AS isn't enough to double 13 Spd enemies
Who claimed that? The only claim was that most the enemies on the map (aka not all) weren't getting doubled by a 16/1 Odin with a max spd pairup.

Fire emblem

>>718013659
Too bad you don’t even live up to your own standard

>>718013809
Fuck off, attentionwhoring retarded tripfag

>>718013932
Is it really that hard to know you should pair up, use tonics on training prospects, and kill weakened enemies? Do I have to dumb down my argument for the absolute lowest common denominator, lest I offend someone?

>>718014096
Fire emblem

>>718013558
Elise/Nyx tend to want bulk and hit
Leo usually wants speed (he's barely faster than Odin).
Odin has better bulk than the girls but his magic is subpar in comparison.
Consequently, he cares more about the dusts than someone that might go from 18x2 to 20x2 on a 30 hp enemy.

>>718010998
>America out of nowhere
Obsessed, rent free, etc.

>>718014106
I might need that 600 gold later to buy a bronze lance or something

>>718013797
>Who claimed that
The one who claimed that it couldnt double the mages.

>>718012365
>now

>>718013795
You've argued against every other example brought up, and there's no actual calculations against enemies but you still insist that Odin needs it while nobody else does. If we're going just by words then the counterargument of everybody else does need it is just as valid.

>>718010998
she literally consistently writes better material than anything in kagaslop

>>718013402
>I'm not even a Mozufag, but I've never liked that argument against her.
Nigger that is THE biggest issue with Mozu and the merits of going Archer Mozu vs Wyvern Elise or anything else are still hotly debated. Hell, Mozu wouldn't be anywhere near as popular if Joker were always an option.
Also don't compare Mozu and Odin, Mozu doesn't need as much babying as Odin to function.

>>718014106
Holy fuck, you genuinely are too retarded to have basic reading comprehension. Saying, “you won’t die if you don’t play bad and get killed” isn’t revelatory commentary, you dumb motherfucker.

>>718014316
>Mozu doesnt need as much babying
Me when I lie.

>>718014240
Of course I argued against every other prospect. I don't think they're very good. I never argued it's because "the spirit dusts are contested" and "I don't want to use that unit." That's the shit that is dumb and annoying, not merely having an opinion about things.

>>718014219
Yes, now. Well, "now" being since 2012.

So when are we going to scrimblo Nyx as some secretly god tier unit after investing every single last resource in the game into her?

>>718014389
You argued it's because the Spirit Dusts AREN'T contested. What a massive difference.

>>718014338
You have to be a vegetable to get Odin w/ Nos killed against Ch. 10 onis. I'm sorry to break this news to you.

>if you let your enemies kill you, you win
This is the famous 3H writing

>>718014428
retard

The rare fire emblem thread with actual discussion about the game. Let's do this again sometime /v/

>>718014478
Nyx and Elise have cripplingly bad bulk, making them kill enemies harder isnt going to solve their primary problem.

>>718014349
Baby Mozu for her opening map and she'll be online for Ice Tribe. No drug pumping or backpack required to do her fucking job.
Baby Odin. That's it, if you use Odin you constantly have to baby him from recruitment until end game. Pump him with stat boosts and drugs and modifiers just to get an ok mage.
t. I have used both units extensively. Mozume almost always has a spot on my end game team, Odin does not.

>autosage
Guess the janny got btfo in this argument and decided to sage the thread

>>718014478
I feel I have to say this reflexively precisely because some idiot always tells me "b-b-but what about Camilla?" I don't actually think it's relevant to the topic. Yes, you can use them on someone else. I'm more interested in if it's even helpful to do that. I use Xander every playthrough and I've never given him a robe or a shield. Not because they're contested, it's because he's...Xander.

>>718014623
The real strat is baby Odin a little bit to get him to have good skills for ophelia, the drop his ass and use the actual good version of him with tits

>>718014606
Your argument comes from the exact same place. You're saying the Spirit Dusts are useless on other units. They're saying the Spirit Dusts are not useful on your unit and are more useful on other units. You're two sides of the same coin here.

>>718014637
More like Anti-Engage schizo got mad people ignored his bait and decided to sage the thread

For the record, Arthur does more with less investment and people call him "bad". He even has his own busted kid as a unit, even if he's not a cute girl like Ophelia is.

>>718014637
>>718014730
>general on /v/ gets autosaged
>must be the work of some butthurt janny

Castle defense is looking good. Shiva is almost unhittable

>>718014316
>Mozufag
you lot are a riot

>>718014767
No one's talking about generals, you retard. We had a brief discussion about knights at most early on in the thread.

>>718014623
Yes, Mozu has a spot on your endgame team because you're a waifu fag, I get it.

>>718014690
You can just say Odin is good if you feed him some Spirit Dusts and demonstrate how that helps him instead of all this nebulous bullshit.

>>718014879
general thread, you punny retard

>>718014602
weird how the schizo"s" arguing 3H vs Engage were completely absent for hours and then all show up at the exact same time

>>718014730
You mean Nowifag tranny janny mad this isn’t some gooner Engage spam thread with actual discussion which always get necrobumped to 500 replies, meanwhile actual conversation thread always mysteriously get autosaged?

>>718014767
>>general
Bro nobody brought up generals in the entire post chain

If you got something to say about them save it for the next thread

>>718014716
>Other units
But most of those other units are people like Nyx and Elise who we generally agree have more pressing matters to attend to. Its literally just people saying to give Camilla all the dusts for the Bolt Axe.

>>718015005
too late slowpoke >>718014879
still a shit joke the second time

>>718014901
Nah, best girl is Flora and I know she's ass, I'd never argue that she has any real merit.

>>718014767
sucks that generals are weak against sages

>>718015059
You argued against Corrin as well who is a fucking force deploy in every chapter.

>>718015005
Alear bikini OP please!

>>718014902
If I say that without a million qualifications and caveats (and even then), then it's back to "LMAO ThiS UniT gOOd wHeN StaT bOOsteR." You truly can't win.

>>718015081
It's funnier the second time, party pooper

>>718010998
are japanese mutts? they hate her the most

>>718015118
If you show the match-ups where it helps, then demonstrate how the other mage options don't need it, with actual comparisons to enemy data, then you start having a really solid argument that people can't refute. What you have right now are a bunch of words. People will concede if you go to those lengths.

>>718015195
>are japanese mutts?
is the pope catholic?

>>718015208
>people will concede if you go to those lengths
No one has ever conceded anything in these threads. Literally never. Believe me, I bring out my best arguments.

>>718015113
>Corrin
I dont think Corrin really needs the dusts beyond it being nice to have. She does really well with Gunter or Felicia if you're male Corrin.

>>718015304
That's not true because I know I've conceded points.

>>718015118
I swear by Arthur regularly as a unit and I don't need to constantly try to pretend everyone plays a certain way or that you're dumb if you don't like him. Literally just show the merits of your arguments and let people decide for themselves if said unit is worth it.

>>718015118
If you can't win it might be because your premise was faulty to begin with. You'd be better off taking the more reasonable stance of "Odin is kind of dank ass but he's also kind of your only bulky mage until Leo and he can do the job well enough to justify investing in him".

>>718015339
Feed Corrin the dusts and she'll have an easier time one-shotting for longer with the Dragonstone which can make a notable difference in clearing. Dragonstone's main disadvantage is you can't double, but that doesn't really matter if you ORKO.

>>718015416
Honestly I just think you're unreasonable. I guess I'm biased, but I feel I shouldn't even have to point out the "contested" thing. It should just be how all discussion operates by default. I'm right on this one.

>>718015467
You need more magic than the +4(6) you get from S Ranking Felicia?

>>718015550
If discussion should operate like that by default, then you shouldn't bring up whether or not he deserves it to begin with. You made the discussion about that when you did that. Somebody would have replied to it like that anyway, sure, but you are under no obligation to engage with it.

>>718015603
>S ranking Felicia
I'm marrying Azura, though?

>>718015674
The whole thread is about that, nigga. It's so dumb. Yes, you should give Florina a robe*, for fuck's sake. She's fragile as shit and it literally fixes half her problems right there. How is this even controversial?

*don't give her the robe if you're not using her or if you had plans to give it to someone else

>>717997757
>panty outline

>>718015674
I think his point is harping on an item being contested is stupid as its a given. It should be more on, does giving Odin +2 Mag transform his combat more than giving it to insert random other unit here.

>>718015603
Sometimes yeah. You also don't actually want your units paired up constantly, especially in CQ where simultaneous time sensitive objectives and moments where you need to clear waves asap are common.

kinooo

>>718015887
I know you dont always want your units paired up. Its just that some units are fine being pair up fodder because them being unpaired doesnt really make a difference depending on your team comp.

>>718015936
Is this avatar a reference to back when Roy and Ike were the same person in Maiden of Darkness?

Anyway you're gay

>nowifag janny nukes another thread because he’s assblasted everyone called him retarded this time for his chosen schrimblo
Many such cases

At this rate, we'll reach the bump limit anyways

>>718016009
Running more than one or two dedicated backpacks is a waste of deployment in the first place.

>>718016073
You would know, fruity boy

>>718015603
The first Spirit Dust is in C11. Let's look at C12 enemies. The lowest amount of RES is 6 on one enemy. Most have at least 7, many more have 8 and 9. 26-28 HP. Minimum 33 ATK to kill. Corn has 10+16 for 26 at level 16 which is pretty high but whatever. That's not enough with a Tonic, and even with it misses on some enemies, or some damage boosting skill that you probably don't have at this chapter. And you have to exactly be on your average MAG and overleveled.

Give the spirit dust to Niles and reclass him to Dark Mage. Trust me on this

>>718016240
Yeah, because everyone pairs Charlotte with Xander to use her.

>>718016253
I feel like you should be swapping over to Levin or something at that point since OHKO thresholds get increasingly too high to keep up with.

Marcus is a better robe user than 90% of the FE7 cast

>>718016416
But they're not if you give her that fucking Spirit Dust, and you can see that, you nigger.

>>718016385
I'm actually grown much more fond of the Selene backpack for him. Res helps him more that Str and she provides a lot more utility with rally and flying movement

i dont care about 1shotting trash mobs in the easiest part of the game though

>>718016551
Then Odin doesn't need the Spirit Dusts at all. Nice try.

>>718016551
I do

>>718016530
But what about that Seigbert paralogue nobody does for a unit that nobody uses? He really benefits from Charlotte’s +7 strength modifier!

>>718016669
I do that chapter and it's AIDS every time.

Thread is about to die so no one will see me admit that I've never gotten past Conquest Lunatic Ch 9.

>>718016712
Anon...

>>718016712
HAHA

>>718016712
You suck nigga that's like the easiest map in the game

>>718016712
How? you can just be a coward instead of mooncalfing if you want an easy clear.

>>717997342
Characters switching portraits upon promotion is actually pretty cool. That is one thing I will thank Mangs for.

Conquest.....is gay.

>auto-saged at 400
>nearly reached bump limit anyway

Sex with fe boys!!!

Fe is gay

relay?

>>718016982
Gay

>>718017095
Relays are dead.

>>718017001
You are gay

Charlotte is canonically wild in bed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgHj4ZjcxYo&t=440

Last for femui sex

not last eat shit waifutard

>>718017185
>localization
I'm sure whatever she said in Japanese was 10x more risque.