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How did stardew valley pick up so much traction when this franchise has been out for 20+ years and has atleast a dozen games in it that are objectively superior?

Are zoomers just dumb and just go
>oohhh shiny new thing on steam I can play multiplayer on

>>718041330 (OP)
It wasn’t on pc

>>718041734
99% of harvest moon games you cam emulate on the PC tho.

Who is playing SNES harvest moon, Harvest moon 64 or friends of mineral town on original hardware.

>>718041330 (OP)
Didn't they stop localizing Harvest Moon games or something?

>>718041330 (OP)
I'm blinded by nostalgia but even I recognize how good Stardew Valley is. No one goes back to play older games and part of the reason it got so popular was that there was nothing better or cheaper than the slop that Natsume or whoever the fuck owns HM were putting out, plus it wasn't on pc

>>718041801
>>718041734
I mean yes I understand your point and I suppose you are right. Thats just another example of how fucking stupid younger gamers are.

>>718041816
right but emulated SNES, 64, or GBA harvest moon is still objectively better than stardew valley.

Hell even a wonderful life was better than stardew.

I recently played HMSNES on NSO and loved it.. until the end of year 2. I had done everything there was to do before the end of the first year and it felt like I was just waiting to finish it. I tried HM64 because it's so well regarded (both it and HMSNES never came out in Aus) and it was fucking unfiltered dogshit. Why are all Harvest Moon games so buggy and unpolished? (yes I know about the SoS HM split, calm down cunt and yes I know about Mario 2 actually being doki doli panic) I used to like them so much but they're so shit going back.

>>718041928
play friends of mineral town and the gamecube one.

The DS has like 5 of them, but only one of them is good, forget which one it was.

>>718041330 (OP)
Harvest moon is transcoded stardew is the straight mans farming game

>>718041907
>choose not to marry
>"Sorry, son, but you're going to have to leave our town."
I just wanted to profit.

>>718041928
Continued.

FoMT gets jerked off something fierce too but it's fucking abhorrent to play if you don't have any nostalgia for it. The outdated controls (why the GBA didnt have 4 face buttons is beyond me) and ugly fucking presentation. I just want to play a GOOD HM game.

>>718042129
wonderful life
>but it only lasts 4 years
Do you need to play longer?

>>718042129
back to nature on the ps1 was apparently pretty good.

>>718042112
You mean the ending that only happens in one game and is so easy to avoid that you practically have to do nothing but sleep for three years straight in order to see it?

>>718042112
why would the town want to live with an asexual social pariah?

>>718042308
Maybe because he's single handedly keeping their economy afloat?

>>718042308
He took a vow of celibacy for increased fertility of his farm.
Who's the mayor to get in the way of his relationship with the God of Grains?

>>718041801
Are there cheat mods to make days longer for 100% purpose?

>>718041330 (OP)
Harvest Moon hates women, who are the primary players of those games. Literally if you get pregnant in one of them the game ends.

Harvest Moon games usually end after 2 years or so.
Stardew Valley lets you keep playing around but time doesn't really *progress* after year three and that's good enough.

I don't know how people aren't instantly repulsed by Starjew Valleys shit RPGmaker WEG tier character art

>>718041330 (OP)
Normalfags reject anime artsyles especially back when Stardew released.

>>718041801
Me bitch

>>718041330 (OP)
>a dozen games in it that are objectively superior?
Such as?
I'm a Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons fan, but gameplay wise Stardew Valley mogs the shit out of any HM or SoS games, so much so that they FINALLY started to innovate the gameplay by copying what Stardew Valley did.
The only thing I'd say that Stardew did worse are the villagers, but that's kind of subjective.

>>718042516
>Harvest Moon hates women
based
> Literally if you get pregnant in one of them the game ends.
giga based

>>718041330 (OP)
>objectively superior?
Story and art style, yes immensely.
However, Stardew Valley added tons more depth to the genre, and Harvest Moon hasn't innovated a single thing in its series in over 20 years.

>>718042652
I don't think it's terrible but something does seem off about it

>>718042723
snes
n64
friends of mineral town
back to nature
wonderful life
that one ds one
that one 3ds one
the rune factory series was kinda alright

>>718041330 (OP)
all i hear from harvest moon/story of seasons fans is how the series was going to shit and deserved to be shown up by one dude

>>718042652
I wish it was a WEG.

>>718041330 (OP)
>game tells me I have to talk to every NPC in town to progress
>talk to every NPC in town
>still won't let me progress
what am I doing wrong?

>>718043985
go to the beach or the mountain and chat with the NPCs there dumbass.

>>718041330 (OP)
stardew valley isn't pozzed, nu-harvest moon is, simple as

>>718044323
>the most recent 10% of the series is pozzed therefore the whole series is worse than stardew

>>718041815
After the Wii, the developers of Harvest Moon grew to be able to publish and localize their own games but Natsume still owns the trademark of the localized title. So Harvest Moon devs call their games Story of Seasons and any game called Harvest Moon since the 3DS is American-made shovelware that doesn't release in Japan.

>>718045181
>the developers of Harvest Moon grew to be able to publish and localize their own games
any good ones you recommend?

harvest moon isn't a chill game because it has a time limit.
stardew valley is chill as fuck

>>718045235
Only like 5 of them have a time limit.
Also in those games with the time limit, most of them the time limit is more than long enough to 100% the game. If you just want to playing a farming simulator all day with no time limit and just playing that over and over again literally just play farming simulator.

>>718045295
or you can play stardew valley lmao
learn how to read

>>718045235
>time limit
Fags like you are why Atelier games are trash nowadays.

>>718045338
>just play the pozzed gay tranny slop
no thanks

>>718045441
I'm a fag because I'm capable of answering a question? You sound like such a fucking moron.
Just kill yourself faggot, seriously

>>718045205
I'm only familiar with Harvest Moon Back to Nature/64 which I've been playing recently. I saw a lot of Trio of Towns threads when that released and I assume it's /v/ recommended.

>>718045529
You're a fag because you cry about time limits.
Also your mom is dead and you never called her during her last year of life. Why is that?

>>718045503
learn how to read pajeet
fucking retarded dirt monkey

zoomers
>harvest moon has a time limit? yikes thats gay as fuck
also zoomers
>wow classic 2.0 is coming out? literally why would people want to play a game a third time

>>718045571
I literally never cried about time limits
why do stupid fucking esl faggots like you insist on posting on this fucking site?

>>718042652
There are a billion mods to change that.

>>718045645
Fucking retard
>>718045235
>harvest moon isn't a chill game because it has a time limit.

I mean this all seriousness: Why didn't you call your mom as she laid there dying?

>>718045731
imagine getting this heated over a discussion of harvest moon games

Stardew valley players are all fucking trannies and ragebaiters.

>>718045731
yes, you are a fucking retard, glad you can admit it pajeet
>>harvest moon isn't a chill game because it has a time limit.
so this is what crying looks like in your homeland pajeet? Answering somebodies question is crying? You are a fucking retarded dirt monkey who will never accomplish anything in life.

>>718045816
You're making the assumption, in error, that a game can't be chill and have a time line. That is what I am calling a faggot for: Not answering the question.

>>718045815
I've never truly played Stardew Valley. I played, according to Steam, 1.6 hours of it. I got to the mines, realized how awful its combat was and stopped. Then I went back to play RF3.

>>718045953
>You're making the assumption, in error, that a game can't be chill and have a time line
no, I'm answering a fucking question.
If you're crying over the rhetoric of my answer you're a literal mongoloid faggot who should immediately kill yourself.
>That is what I am calling a faggot for: Not answering the question.
no, that is not at all what you said. Which once again, I question why an esl faggot like you thinks he should be talking on this site. FUCK OFF PAJEET

>>718045953
learn english

>>718046031
You talk about ESL and don't even know how the word "you" can be used. (You) really are retarded. Stay in your second world country.

>>718041330 (OP)
Because it has ugly tumblr characters and tumblr trannies are the main audience for "cozy games"

>>718046135
oh look another meaningless fucking post from the dirt eating monkey person. It doesn't even realise that it's not making any fucking sense.
enjoy raping little boys you absolute subhuman mongrel

>>718041330 (OP)
>

>>718045562

i liked trio of towns a good bit. solid 8/10 harvest moon

a higher rez version with included dlc and it would be a super solid overall game

>>718042652
>Cannot imagine people playing games for the gameplay
Saar...

>>718046236
I mean this in all seriousness, not trolling or jesting at this point in the conversation: Do you honestly know how the word "you" can be used in the English language? It's a queer example of "memorize, not learn."

>>718041330 (OP)
Gaming journos colluded against Harvest Moon to erase it from history to push Stardew Valley as a unique and original product because they were paid off by the game's publisher.

>>718046365
or
>>718041734

>>718046314
I mean this in all seriousness, not trolling or jesting at this point in the conversation: Do you realize that what you are saying makes no fucking sense? Do you realize that I know that if you could speak fucking english, you wouldn't currently sound like an actual retarded fucking monkey person?

>>718046437
Okay so overtly you do not know English that well:
You can be singular. One person. You can also be plural. Multiple people. Are you with me thus far?

>>718046365
source?
I believe you, but the people I tell are going to need sources.

>>718046313
Bet you love all the AAA shaved head fridgewomen games too. Having aesthetic standards makes me a jeet? That's the street calling the toilet shitty.

>>718046590
its called the royal you, sometimes you can use the royal we.

The royal you or the royal we does not refer to multiple people. It refers to individuals in an abstract committing individual decisions.

You did not use the royal you correctly. This is most likely because you are ESL.

>>718046590
Keep acting like you speak english you subhuman garbage. Literally everybody can see you're a fucking third worldie. YOU AREN'T MAKING ANY FUCKING SENSE MORON.
YOU SINGULAR FUCKING YOU
YOU THE FUCKING MONKEY PERSON
LEARN
FUCKING
ENGLISH

>>718046590
your race is below that of humans
never try to act like a human being again

>a dozen
HAHAHAHAHAA
ahahaha
zoomers

OP is a faggot zoomer
only 64 is good
everything after was shit
there aren't enough 'a dozen' mediocre HM games, much less good ones
get fucking real

>>718046770
But if I'm above you in terms of humanity, what does that make you?

>>718046723
You made a typo. Please correct it.

>>718046714
I'm not a member of the monarchy so no, it doesn't apply here. If you knew basic English you'd know this.

>>718046958
you are subhuman
stop acting like you're a human
you don't speak english
stop acting like you do

>>718046986
Then you are sub sub human are you not?

Harvest Moon?

>>718047010
learn english
you are subhuman

>>718046690
No because they have bad gameplay.

>>718046958
>I'm not a member of the monarchy so no, it doesn't apply here.
the royal you/we is both a literary device and a thing monarch used

Things can have multiple uses/conventions.
Sorry your ESL teacher never taught you this.

>>718041801
you don't get it, normies only play pc games if they're on steam, otherwise they may as well not exists
downloading programs from other websites is "scary :(" and "could have a virus!" because they're so tech illiterate

>>718047025
But you are below me on the humanity scale. So what does that make you...?

>>718047086
learn english
you are subhuman

>>718047072
No, it changed its usage years back, much how we dropped second world and began to use first world and third world to refer to developed and undeveloped countries or began to speak what the Euroeapn nobles called "peasant speak" as we dropped the French pronunciation of words. These are all basic things taught in middle school.

oh my fucking GOD why does nearly every fucking thread these days have two sub-human brown retards arguing over which one is less shit colored? You're both brown, fuck off

>>718047079
yes I guess this is true.
Didn't realize this board has so many normies now.

>>718047227
>normies
did you mean NORMALFAG, tourist-kun?

>>718047197
more proof you don't speak english
>>718046135

>>718047294
You seem angry you don't know basic rules. "Memorize, not learn."

oh heaven's no, I can't say the F-word; the automoderation on Tik Tok will ban me! Lands and stars!

>>718047216
It's because the retarded monkey people can use AI to feel like they're speaking to actual human beings. They don't realize how fucking obvious it is, and they refuse to just shut the fuck after being called out. They double down instead and get angry like every indian spammer ever.
subhuman fucking monkey people

>>718047342
you are subhuman
you do not speak english
EVERYONE can tell

>>718047445
But you are below me on the humanity scale. So what does that make you...? A nigger, of course.

>>718047487
you are subhuman
you do not speak english
EVERYONE can tell

>>718041801
>on original hardware
Most did, years ago

>>718041330 (OP)
>objectively superior?
People view Harvest Moon with rose tinted glasses, each subsequent entry after 64 is worse than the next.
Friends of Mineral town started the nonsense where you pay a bunch of midgets to run the farm for you, completely removing the farming aspect of the fucking farming game and instead wanting you to do the tedious sets of bullshit mines, two different ones I think that actively encourage savescumming because of their rng nature.
BtN/HoLV had even less emphasis on farming as the main pull of that game was doing all the miscellaneous sidequests to get the good endings.
Wonderful life was rock bottom as farming was the most tedious and least lucrative money maker. Tilling/watering was slow as dirt and there was no reason to do anything but trees. Cows were mind numbing as they could only be milked after pregnancy and were useless shortly after, once again in a game about farming, farm work was the shittest option when you could just fish all day for significantly less effort and three times the profit.

>>718047559
yes obviously.

I did not say "who played"
I said "who is playing"

Played, which again as you can see I did not say, is past tense.

Who is playing is PRESENT tense.

Present tense means today.

Fucking ESLs.

>>718047648
You do realize most farmers have both crops and animals they tend to right?
Yes ranchers exists who specialize in animals, and yes crop farmers exists who specialize in crop farming.

But most general farmers, have both crops and animals.

>>718047648
>Friends of Mineral town started the nonsense where you pay a bunch of midgets to run the farm for you
Ok. Then just ignore that option. It didn't force you to use it.

>>718047759
Do you know why?

>>718047648
>farm work was the shittest option when you could just fish all day for significantly less effort and three times the profit.
Say that you never played a wonderful life without saying you never played a wonderful life.

The real meta was growing a tree and putting it into the seed converter to sell the seeds.

>>718047817
you brought it up as a criticism against the game, so enlighten me.

They simply fucked up by not being one of the firsts to bring this type of game to PC. Stardew Valley stole all that thunder. Although great with technological advancement, Japan is usually behind the curve when it comes to breaking routine and tradition in other business areas. I also think they were dealing with exchanging the rights to the name to another company or some complicated corporate/bankruptcy shit.

No emulation does not count. Newer generations want the new shit, conveniently on Steam or similar service. Stardew came and finally offered them the product where and how they wanted.

>>718047914
Actually I did no such thing. This is the first time I am talking to you.

ok uhhh besides the tards arguing...

just realized a grand bazaar remake is coming out soon. never played the original. does it look any good? i just watched that 1 min 30 sec trailer and it looks okay to me- but nothing really to get excited about unfortunately

>>718047648
>criticizes harvest moon for having both crops and animals (ignoring the fact that almost all farmers have specialty heirloom crops, followed by your generic run of the mill cows, chickens, and whatever other animals they want)
>doesn't apply this same criticism to stardew valley
wow didn't realize the publisher was still paying people to shill his game.

>>718047972
>stardew valley is a product you can play on your PC
>harvest moon SNES is a superior product that you can also play on your PC.

>no emulation does not count
???

>>718047510
But you are below me on the humanity scale.
So... what are you then?

>>718047759
How is that remotely relevant to anything I stated?>>718047812
It was if you wanted to save your stamina/time for the stuff that needed doing
>>718047869
If you knew how to read you would see I specifically mentioned the trees one sentence earlier also suck my ass
>>718048017
>>criticizes harvest moon for having both crops and animals
What in the actual fuck are you smoking?

>>718042794
yeah it did. and concernedape didn't just show them up, he fucked their faces and assholes so hard they probably have wanted posters of his dick on their office walls.

>>718047648
>>718048182
>the farming game doesn't have crop tending as its main objective
Most farmers spend a minority of their time tending to their crops.

Crop tending and farming are two different things.

>>718048919
What do most farmers do then?

>>718049095
Do you think they wake up at 4 in the morning for the crops? They literally spend most of their waking hours dealing with the animals.

Yes crops take up a lot of time, but its only one small fraction of being a farmer.

>>718049159
>Do you think they wake up at 4 in the morning for the crops?
Maybe? I don't fucking know, I'm not a farmer. That's why I ask and I thank you for your explanation.

>>718041330 (OP)
I've been playing HM since PSX era, and no. They're not superior. SDV is the more polished, better game.
And HM / SoS gotten worse by each year.

Every HM game post Natsume split is dogshit, so I won't even bother talking about them. I skipped alot of titles as well.

I tried playing FoTM remake a few years back. While it's very faithful with minor QoL changes, the game feels dated and very bare bones. I wouldn't even buy this if not for the nostalgia factor.
SoS AWL is literally the same game as the PS2 release with newer graphics, FemMC option, and another faggotry romance.
At this point I knew the franchise is dead and gone. It's just reheated nostalgiabait cashgrab with modern sensibilities crammed in.

Same thing with RF. Though at the very least RF gotten better with their latest release, or maybe because 5 is just really bad that anything looks better in comparison.

Anime aesthetic won't be able to save the franchise. Especially since SDV got a huge modding community to replace their tumblr style.
Feels like the last HM/SoS game I actually enjoyed playing was ToTT.

Maybe I'm just too old so the magic is gone. Maybe their games is bad, maybe it's both. Idk.

>>718049209
>I've been playing HM
That's cheating. Nobody who claims HM is vastly superior has actually played one in the past ten years.

>>718046365
still waiting on a source.

>>718041330 (OP)
I know it makes games like this "too easy" but I actually miss that SNES HM would not KO your character at 6am or whatever the fuck and you could literally just work all night until you chose to go to bed. I'd always spend the first night clearing the field and getting it prepped up

>>718048919
I was using farming to colloquially refer to actions that are considered to be work done by farmers such tending to both crops and animals, I figured that was pretty obvious to anyone who knew how to read.

>>718050201
Farmers that have access to a river or lake with fish in it will spend time fishing if they deem it economical.

Animal Parade was the last one with actual effort put into it.
>huge bachelor(ette) rosters with a taste for everyone including even barafags and lolifags, still kept cool "secret" ones like Witch and Goddess
>multiple outfits and customization back when that was still new
>seasonal outfits for love interests
>rival romances
>rival children and they even go to school together with new events
Everything that came after was mostly a downgrade, thank GOD it seems Animal Parade or ToT is the next remake they have in store

>>718050594
the art style is trash tho.
Surely there must be a good harvest moon / sos game made in the last 15 years?

Is FOMT, wonderful life, SNES, 64, and that one DS game, truly the only good options?

So who’s picking up the Grand Bazaar remake and do you have faith in Marvelous again after Azuma?

>>718041330 (OP)
What's that? An ARG game like the evil farmer thing?

>>718055801
>doesn’t know Harvest Moon
Begone zoom-zoom

>>718041330 (OP)
>How did stardew valley pick up so much traction when this franchise has been out for 20+ years and has atleast a dozen games in it that are objectively superior?
The best HM/SoS game is FoMT

I love SNES HM/SoS but it's simply too barebones, Stardew Valley combined a lot of strengths from various HM/SoS into a single package. Stardew Valley is not perfect, but it's a superior product compared to all HM/SoS

>>718041928
>I recently played HMSNES on NSO and loved it.. until the end of year 2. I had done everything there was to do before the end of the first year and it felt like I was just waiting to finish it.
That's every single HM/SoS and subsequently Stardew Valley

>>718047972
>They simply fucked up by not being one of the firsts to bring this type of game to PC.
You are retarded if you actually think SoS/HM would sell well just by putting on PC before Stardew Valley.

The majority of HM/SoS are janky shovelware trash. Games still need some level of quality to sell.

>>718056803
>The best HM/SoS game is FoMT
It’s not even better than it’s original superior BTN version let alone it’s parent HM64

cause natsume/marvelous never really grasped what sort of appeal they really had, both in the design of their games and in the clut following they unknowingly gained. they just continued to make bare minimum farming games for their targeted audience which was middle aged japanese housewives, refusing any chance to innovate from their initial formula for nearly 30 years. dont try to feed me some bullshit like how story of seasons is the real one, no fucktard, both marvelous and natsume are making trash farmsims.

>>718053730
after azuma, im convinced that marvelous can make games, they just cant for the life of them make farming games. their brain is just wired against it somehow.

>>718055801
>an alternity reality game game
I don't why I even responded to you, I'm 9/10 sure you're baiting.

>>718057082
What quality does stardew have that isn’t tranny pandering which none of the hm games have

>>718058024
Music
Artstyle/Pixel Art
Gameplay

It's not to say that HM/SoS don't have these but more often than not, it's worse than Stardew

>>718058260
Ok what gameplay features does stardew valley have that hm does not.

Because the first two you listed don’t matter for anything practical.

>>718058447
>Because the first two you listed don’t matter for anything practical.
Yes they do matter, I'm not gonna play a game that looks like mobile shite

>>718058526
Ok sure, the more modern ones look like shit
Can you stop avoiding the question and tell me which gameplay features stardew valley has that hm does not, or that stardew valley does better.

>>718058582
Moving around with your character in Stardew Valley feels better than in most HM/SoS for a start, moving your character is something you will be doing for the vast majority of the time in the game.

Picking up crops in Stardew Valley is also much more satisfying and less janky than most HM/SoS, another thing that the player keeps doing for the vast majority of time.

Fishing minigame is fun in SV

Dungeon Crawling and combat in SV are a nice deviation when farming gets too tedious. While the combat in SV is very barebones it's serviceable.

Harvest moon
>that old grandma in town? She dies in the summer of year 2
>work too hard in the rain? You get sick
>stay up to late and go to bed at 5am? You oversleep
>neglect your wife and focus on farming? She leaves you

Stardew valley
>like the movement is more fluid and it’s less janky to pick things up, also that one mini game is fun


So you just want the game to hold your hand for you?

>>718041330 (OP)
>Co-op
>Combat
>No time limits
>On PC and moddable

Just some reasons why.

>>718058024
>tranny pandering which none of the hm games have
Fortunately SV has none of that either, trannies have been begging for non-binary shit in the game for years and Ape just keeps ignoring them

>>718058997
Do you have any real actual gameplay features that are better in sv or non existent in hm, or are you just a casual who wants hand holding slop

>>718059108
Meant to quote this with my post

>>718059118
Every harvest moon game is on PC
Can you name one harvest moon game you can’t play on PC

>no time limits.
Yes because there is just so gosh darn much you can do before the game becomes stale less and repetitive

>>718059128
I didn’t mean tranny in the literal sense more so about being able to play as a board and the plethora of gay characters in a town with such a small population.

>>718041330 (OP)
>Stardew releases in a massive farming romance sim drought where the only new entries are literal dogshit scraped off the street from Natsume and mediocre shit from Marvelous that fail to beat their old games
>wow why do people REALLY like Stardew? Why do people know about it more???
You should be aware, but it was agonising how slept on the genre was for a decade. The only reason you're having this discussion is because Stardew was made and released to begin with.

>>718041330 (OP)
Because HM hasnt had a good game since BtN/64/FoMT, and most of the content across all HM/SoS falls off after the 1st yr. AWL is the stand out there and sadly it has so little to do that it drags those yrs out that you'll likely quit after yr 1 there too.

Series just lacks real longevity in its games unless you really like the farm building which you tend to be able to break early and if the town/chars are nice they run out of material within that 1st yr as well. Rune factory was the best thing to happen to that series and thats dead too

>>718059310
>>718059371
Right but all those people who played stardew could have just emulated n64 snes gba or GameCube harvest moon and would have had a more enjoyable experience playing a better game

>>718059108
>>718059164
>shit graphics doesn't matter
>shit music doesn't matter
>controlling your character doesn't matter
>i know what really matters
>small gameplay features
>small story telling

Epic. No wonder Marvellous kept churning dogshit HM/SoS, with fans like you it makes complete sense why the quality of the games keep decreasing with each and new entry.

>>718059557
Who listens to ingame music instead of just their own music
And I already mentioned modern hm games look like crap but the series has 30 years of games and you are just cherry picking the worst ones

>small gameplay features and story features
You mean soul?

Epic. No wonder stardew valley is doing so well. People like you need the game to hold their hand for them

>I get sick if I work in the rain or stay up to late what kind of burdensome cumbersome crap is this

>>718059371
>Because HM hasnt had a good game since BtN/64/FoMT
Retarded boomer, both AP and Trio of Towns were great and better than FoMT at least. Bokujo ACTUALLY hasn’t had a good game since Trio all the way back in 2017

>>718057535
>Story of Seasons
>For middle aged housewives
Not anymore unfortunately, seems like their new target audience is literal toddlers considering all the censorship they’re doing and the Japanese text containing furigana for every kanji never before seen in Bokumono prior to 2019…

>>718059549
>Right but all those people who played stardew could have just emulated n64 snes gba or GameCube harvest moon
You're putting the cart before the horse.
Stardew is a majority of younger peoples first farming romance sim. It's a long lasting game, it's on every single console and on PC. It gets tons of updates.
For "older" players 25+, this could be their first taste of the genre, or they could be rediscovering it after Rune Factory, HM DS or a gamecube/wii version and find it to be better and more up to date than games that released when they were children.
You're essentially saying
>wow why didn't these people whose entire interest in the genre came from this game just play a 20+ year old game instead via emulation???

>>718059965
>objectively superior product exists and is playable for 20 years
No one wants to play
>inferior product comes out
Omg this new farming game on steam looks so kawaii! Let’s buy it

Like I understand your point but that’s more to do with the stupidity of normalfags than it is a metric for which series is better

>>718059965
>via emulation
You say that as if it’s burdensome or cumbersome to emulate

You can download and boot a room quicker than you can punch in your credit card info to steam

>>718058024
>>718058582
Pretty ironic considering newer SoS/HM features type A/B shit and gay marriage. Nu-SoS/HM are the one who panders to troons and fags.
SDV features playersexual NPCs, but the dev still use male and female instead of pushing pronouns/non binary retardation like in the newer SoS/HM games and other newer clones like Mistria and the like.

Point is, if you think SDV is "woke", then the newer SoS/HM releases is a liberal propaganda in comparison.

>"Just emulate the older games, lol!"
Why? Stardew has:
Better mining
Better fishing
Better ranching
Better progression
Equipment system
Combat system
Crafting system
Minigames, Casino
Farm editing / free building
Snappy, responsive, and faster gameplay when compared to HM/SoS
Barely any loading
Runs on potato
Significantly bigger world
Multiplayer
Has been updated plenty of times with additional gameplay features for free (no DLC BS)
Very Moddable with huge community (Very important: endless replay value, can be tailored to your liking)

It's significantly better than older HM games, and still better than most newer SoS/HM games. Why should I emulate when I can play the superior, newer game?

But from the looks of it, you're just slurping on Marvelous' cock, and hating SDV for the sake of hating. And you always try to deflect it with the most retarded excuse.
>"SDV music is better"
>"I mute the music when I play the game, so it's irrelevant"

At this point, I don't know why I even bother writing this when you argue like a child.

>>718060119
Very few people go digging for 20+ year old games. The idea that someone's thought process would be
>new game came out
>oh I like it
>let's emulate a 20 year old game now
just isn't happening for 99.99% of people.
This isn't limited to harvest moon either, there are tons of good games released from 2000-2010 that can be emulated or have a steam release that don't get many people playing because unless it's heavily recommended to them by someone, younger players just aren't going to know to look, and are going to default to the thing they invested a lot of time in or the newer thing.
Someone isn't stupid for playing stardew valley over a 20 year old game. It just won't enter their thought process to pick up older games on dead systems. Especially with tech literacy dropping. And it's an extremely hard sell because Stardew has tons of QoL and a much more expansive end goal.

>>718060198
Majority of people do not emulate.

>>718060347
Did I ever say the newer games are good?
Show me one post where I suggest that

I said the older hm games are all better than stardew valley

>>718060380
>hmm I want to try playing a farming simulator instead of looking up on the internet what my options are let’s just wait until a new game comes out and I see an advertisement for it

Because
1. People asked for Harvest Moon for PC for a while
and
2. The series has always been hit or miss in terms of quality and especially got kinda rough at the time of SW release.
Ape was just fortunate enough to be the first one to answer to the demand for a good PC Harvest Moon game and benefited greatly from it.

>>718060492
>oh what's this on the front page of steam? Stardew Valley? Oh I liked harvest moon when I was a kid let's check it out
Completely normal behaviour genuinely yes.
>hmm I want to try playing a farming simulator
Very, very few people think like this and even if they did, 99% of their results would be stardew valley being shilled anyway kek

>>718060380
>people are not stupid they are just tech illiterate
That’s literally the same thing. Especially for younger people, less so for older people

>>718060492
You think you're making a joke but the average person nowadays actually thinks like this. They won't even google shit they're actively wondering about.

>>718060457
older games are not better than sv
t. 30yo who started with snes hm

>>718060550
Harvest moon has always been on the PC.
Every harvest moon game made in the past 30 years had been playable on the pc within a day of its release

>people don’t know how to emulate or think it’s bad for their computer
Not an argument

>>718060607
>games that hold your hand are better than games that do not hold your hand

>>718060680
who are you quoting?

>>718060347
You forgot to mention that all nu SoS and RF games are overpriced as fuck. Pic related is 60 fucking bucks, for example. Like holy shit, Marvelousfags must really be fucking retarded and blindly loyal to happily pay AAA for a 20 bucks rehash with fewer features than SDV. And rather than criticizing Marvelous and holding the company to a higher standard, they would rather bitch and moan at a 10 bucks indie game made by 1 developer.

>>718041330 (OP)
It's the Emily difference!

>>718060556
>hmm stardew valley? That looks interesting before I spend my money let’s see if there are any other games in the genre before I spend my money. Oh what’s this, there is a game series called harvest moon, and I can play it on my PC and it’s free and everyone online are all saying the snes gba 64 and GameCube versions are all better than stardew?

desu the satanists deserve to enslave the planet if modern consumers are going to act like the way you are suggesting they should act

>>718060781
Who the fuck pays for video games? How is price even an argument when every game that isn’t on an un emulateable console can be played for free

>>718060802
OP here
Thank you for finally answering the question

>>718060804
None of the older Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons games have co-op, you insane autist.

That's why a lot of people buy Stardew Valley, playing a comfy farming game with friends makes it even comfier.

>>718060804
>let's see if there are any other games in the genre before I spent my money
>Oh what's this, some old game that looks like shit?
>Everyone says it's shit?
>Well guess I'm playing Stardew instead of this moon harvest game

>>718060804
Completely delusional

>>718041801
>99% of harvest moon games you cam emulate on the PC tho.
You but normalfags can't and won't.

>>718060903
>co-op
Lol casual loser
>>718060952
No actually I didn’t say that. I said people said there were better
>>718060986
go check yourself. Everyone outside of Reddit, the stardew forums, and the shills in this thread all agree the older games are all objective better games than stardew

>>718061067
Not an argument anymore than
>why fix the satellite myself when I can just call the guy and pay him 500 dollars to climb up on the roof and reangle it a few degrees
is

Ok bros, you can stop replying to the baiting autist now

>>718041816
>How good stardew valley is
I could never even download it, the characters / art looks ugly, the dialogue is cringe. The game overall seems shallow. I'd need a total remaster.

>>718060903
>>718060952
>>718060986
Nta

Stardew valley is better than any hmsos game in the last 15 years.

BTN is questionable

SNES
N64
AWL
FoMT

Are all objectively better gaming experiences than stardew valley, and it’s not even close


The point about player accessibility and marketability while valid, are more a criticism of the modern generation than it is a criticism of either game.

>>718061468
As an example tap water vs bottled fiji water, no matter how many people buy fiji water that never makes it a more practical choice than tap water unless you live in a third world shithole or flint Michigan

>>718061468
Aren't N64, FOMT and BTN literally the same game?

>>718061620
No of course not. They have different maps, different characters, different in game features.

In order for them to “literally” be the same game they would have to be ports

They are similar sure, but saying they are literally the same game is like saying final fantasy 1 and final fantasy II are literally the same game

>>718061157
>Not an argument
But it is why Stardew grew so much more successful.

>>718061770
Weird, I always had the impression they were the same game, but remade/remastered/ported. With that being said, I personally disagree that N64/FoMT/BTN are better than SV.

You can't just make an excuse for a game saying "well it's old what do you expect" when plenty of old games are still superb to this day, Super Metroid still being considered one of the best Metroidvania ever made due to how polished it is.

I really should try AWL though and the Grand Bazaar remake actually looks like Marvellous had more than a single McDonalds Hamburguer of budget and effort.

>>718062015
>I personally disagree that N64/FoMT/BTN are better than SV.
You didn't even know those games were different from one another just a second ago, you're just assuming shit now.

Wait, do people really think that the games with time limits can't be chill?

>>718062013
Plumbers make more money than Albert Einstein.
Is that a good reason to hope your kids grows up to be a plumber over a cutting edge physicists who creates new paradigms for mankind to improve with?

Is financial succes the only metric that matters?

>>718062172
I did play N64(didn't like) and FOMT(liked) though, considering the time BTN released it's not that much different from these two. Also considering Marvellous effort throughout the entire series it's fair to judge BTN without even playing it.

>>718059665
>Who listens to ingame music instead of just their own music
Absolutely plebeian opinion, you are not allowed to talk about soul with taste that shit

>>718062289
>it's fair to judge BTN without even playing it.
You should get a career in game journalism. You would do very well there.

>>718062210
The time limit argument was always retarded, gives the impression that the game only gives them like 10 minutes to do everything and not a gorillion years.
>villain: mwahaha! you have 2 years to make 50.000G or else we will destroy this village!
>already have 100.000G by the second month from just playing normally

>>718049209
As an RF game, Guardians of Azuma is lacking in a lot of the unique features of previous titles. It's still vastly superior to 5, but 5 is really just that weak of an entry.
It's a 7/10 and it gets the characters right, at least. The worst bachelorette is also from 5, so there's that.

>>718062343
>video game creators know what kind of music I want to listen to better than I do. I am not a pleb

If the music or ambiance has an affect on gameplay (audio cues) then I obviously don’t do that.

Harvest moon stardew valley music has no relevant audio cues.I think I know what I want to listen to better than those developers.

I bet you let people into doorways before yourself. Pleb simp

>>718062248
>Is financial succes the only metric that matters?
If the question was
OP asked a fairly specific question which calls for fairly specific answers.

Are you saying you've got some alternative explanation? I bet it's detached from history/reality.

>>718062470
So it's just retards being retards then. Got it

>>718041330 (OP)
Harvest Moon was in a state of irrelevancy due to Natsume constantly fumbling and tarnishing the series reputation with budget titles and rehashes. Stardew came in and gave longtime fans of farm sims what they wanted all along and also introduced plenty of new eyes to the genre. Don't blame zoomers, blame the suits.

>>718062610
The correct answer to OPs question involves a direct criticism to the ignorance and stupidity of the modern generation and end game consumerism.

The correct answer has nothing to do with the criticism of the older harvest games and why they are better video games than stardew valley

>>718062717
But the majority of stardew player base are not former harvest moon fans. Harvest moon series has always been a rather indie series.

The majority of stardew players are normalfags who were just sleeping on the harvest moon franchise for decades.

OP was asking what was up with that

>>718062717
>>718062817
To add
It’s not that ape made a better game (he did but only the post wonderful life games did he make a better game)

He was just better at advertising to normies and was in the right place at the right time and lucked out due to the harvest moon series stagnating

If normals were actually smart and not incompetent consumers, upon learning about stardew valley, 5 minutes of research would lead them to learn about the superior options (snes,n64, fomt, wonderful life)

>>718062512
you keep quoting shit people never said it makes you look very schizophrenic desu

>>718041330 (OP)
Because stardew valley is a pretty good farm sim that had multiplayer which helped people get their friends into the genre. It also came out when the genre was at its low point and anyone who loved the genre in past was probably wanting something new.

>>718062991
>he doesn’t understand greentext jargon
Lurk more faggot

>>718062947
>If normals were actually smart and not incompetent consumers, upon learning about stardew valley, 5 minutes of research would lead them to learn about the superior options (snes,n64, fomt, wonderful life)
Do any of these have co-op to play with friends or your wife/husband/gf/bf?
No?

What a sad story!(raughs)

>>718062998
Read
>>718062817
>>718062947

>>718063071
>co-op makes an inferior product superior
Because simcity 5 was sooo much better than simcity 4 due to the heckin co-operino

>>718062817
Like I said, Natsume had been dropping the ball for years by the time SV came out. Assuming they even knew what HM was in the first place, the average person would see that the most recent games ranged from pretty mediocre to actually bad. Why the hell would someone bother doing a deep dive into the series to find the older gems? SV is good enough for them.

>>718063143
I see, so normal people are dumb cattle because they want a feature that the games you keep praising about don't have

>>718063225
So you agree simcity 5 was better than simcity 4 because coop?

And I am the dumb cattle

>>718063189
>why the hell would anyone do 5 minutes of market research before making a purchase.
It’s called being a competent adult

>>718063268
Never played Sim City 5 so I can't judge, maybe it's better maybe it's not, who knows

>>718063325
>who knows
People online
It’s called market research
Fucking zoomers

>>718063505
The who knows is referring to "who knows if I'll think 5 is better 4"

>>718041330 (OP)
It’s due to design
HM SNES was built around doing as well as you could within a time limit
Other HM have similar kinds of limits, with essentially fail states for not getting married in time or not building a successful farm
These aren’t “game overs” per say, but they do result in periods of waiting for the next story beat or just having to restart like in the SNES game
Combined with older titles in the series having some obtuse requirements for unlocks and endings, you get a series that seems very comfy but in reality turns a lot of “le cozy” normalfags off because they think they have to minmax and end up spending more time reading guides than actually playing
In reality, HM is just about living life and accepting that sometimes your choices are less than optimal, but sticking with it and maybe trying again on a new file will lead to greater success

Stardew on the other hand is pretty much foolproof
Yes there’s a main story and requirements to reach an ending depending on if you help the town vs Joja, but the game is designed without hard time limits and a lot of the unlockable systems can be found without too much trouble, leading people to essentially just play however they want knowing they will progress somehow, be it through basic time progression or slowly building up your savings and resources
Miss a romance chance? Just wait
Miss a crop or event? Just wait
That alone makes it far more enjoyable for most people who use it as a chillout type of game, almost like an idle clicker type experience

Tl;dr different design philosophies, different preferences and expectations

Personally, I think non-modded Stardew is one of the ugliest games I’ve ever played. The sprites and look of the game are horrendously amateurish. Id much rather enjoy the pastel pastoral look of HM

>>718042794
Farming games reached their peak in rune factory 4. Nobody has been able to top the sheer amount of content in that game. Story of seasons and rune factory franchises both went downhill. RFGoA is better than RF5 but not 4. Harvest moon is a joke even though they seem to be trying to be a good franchise. But stardew valley only manages to eclipse the oldest SoS games. It is a heavily flawed game though still impressive for being made by one man and supported for how many years now for free. Stardew also has better modding support.
Every other indie farm game is trying to make stardew but worse, so the entire farm game genre is in dire straits. You have harvestella and farmagia which aren't even real farming games they just use farms as a gimmick.
Hopefully RF6 is an improvement from GoA, but with more standard gameplay.

>>718063304
The average adult is an incompetent consumer. They buy off impulse, not research, and convenience is king. They wouldn't even do 5 minutes, they do a 2 second google search. Try for yourself, google farm sim games and you'll see the first option, ignoring farming simulator, is Stardew Valley. That's the broad extent of research they'll ever do. Maybe if Natsume weren't too busy huffing glue all day, HM could have remained relevant as a series but that's just how it is on this bitch of an Earth.

>>718063962
>it’s natsumes fault that stupid people make stupid decisions
No it’s the consumers fault for being so incompetent

Stardew being more financial successful has nothing to do with either developer.
It’s because consumers are stupid

NDS emulation with the two screens is normalfag poison. GBA games look and sound like vomit. Stardew Valley in 2016 was effectively a dirt cheap 20-year reboot of SNES Harvest Moon to me, so I played it in 2016. I don't know how it works as a locked-in ecosystem in 2025 though.

This image has done irreparable damage to the Harvest Moon franchise.
They just look at it and assume the worst, when in reality it's actually super fucking easy to avoid, the girl with the highest affection always confesses to you. So every single girl must be at 0 affection in order to see it. Talking to a girl once already nullifies this ending.

>>718060626
People hoped for a native pc version.

>>718062947
>snes or gba harvest moon are superior than SV
I played old harvest moon years, YEARS ago when it was still a niche genre. You're full of shit. Saying FOTM is better than Stardew is braindead.

>>718064713
>native pc version
>emulating a snes gba n64 or GameCube game
Literally what’s the difference other than one takes a credit card punch in and a download button and the other one takes two download button one for the emulator one for the rom

>>718064787
Ok tranny enjoy your crude art slop

>>718064708
>talking to a girl once nullifies the ending
Ahhh this explains all the neckbeard neets shilling for stardew because of co-op

>>718064812
That its an actualq pc version and not ugly emulated gameboy/ds shit.
>>718064859
>crude art
Looks better than 2d harvest moon.
Also harvest moon let your character to troon out and had at least one character without a set gender. There are no transgenders in SV.

>>718065094
It’s already been established the second half of the series is trashed

We are discussing the superiority of the first half over stardew

>>718065094
>emulation degrades the quality of the graphics
lol
Don’t talk about things you know nothing about

>>718064787
I noticed how you cherry picked n64 and wonderful life out of your quote

>>718041330 (OP)
I've tried to play the Harvest Moon games, but quit after 5 or so minutes of it.
I've finished Stardew Valley multiple times.
You say objectively superior, but I subjectively believe they are not.
If you enjoy Harvest Moon, that's cool, I'm glad you do.

Which HM game would you recommend if I'm interested in trying some old ones? I've finished Stardew plenty of times, enjoyed RF4 and loved Trio of Towns.

>>718041330 (OP)
Because all of these games have something that sucks major ass due to lack of QoL
Also the whole harvest moon isn't harvest moon anymore or whatever that bullshit was about

>>718065179
There's zero objective way in which harvest moon snes is better than stardew.
>>718065257
N64 also looks bad
Wonderful life also is far from the best quality for gamecube

Emulating for people here might be simple but for the average normie it takes a lot of time and effort to do. People just can't be assed to go through all that. It doesn't help that its illegal and that will put off a lot of them.

Meanwhile on steam you press buy and play game. Simple as.

>>718065990
>emulation is illegal
Fucking lol
When you pay for old nintendo games or these "collections" on Steam you're LITERALLY paying for emulated ROMs.

>>718064812
Plays natively on the personal computer
KB/M control scheme

>>718065649
Original HM on SNES and FoMT

>>718066784
Thanks.

>>718065649
Back to Nature PS1 is mostly a better FoMT but with one fatal flaw - pretty common loading screens breaking the pace every two seconds.

>>718067823
Oh yeah, I remember playing this back in the day and I never got to finish this.

>>718067858
I picked it up not too long ago as someone who had only ever played FoMT and it was a very pleasant surprise to see more events that give the non-bachelorette villagers more life, something I thought was sorely missing from FoMT. I can look past the loading myself but I can see someone else bouncing off it hard. Also FUCK the summer swimming event.

>>718068114
I'm used to way worse loading times but this is the game where storms can BTFO your hothouse right?

>>718041330 (OP)
stardew has coop

>>718068306
Yeah, thats right. Also worth noting that storms never ever bring in small stones so if you don't store away at least one stone you are permanently cucked from a full recipe book.

>>718068805
I'll keep that in mind, thanks.

>>718068409
I've seen a coop in every HM game I've played.

>>718068913
lol

>>718068409
So does every Harvest Moon. Where else would they keep the chickens?

>>718062732
>The correct answer has nothing to do with the criticism of the older harvest games and why they are better video games than stardew valley
If Harvest Moon was shit, the normalfags wouldn't be retarded for swarming Stardew instead. So the fact that the Harvest Moon games were always great is indeed relevant.

>>718041330 (OP)
It didn't, anon
The majority, aroind 98-99 percent of 'sales' were free keys given away on here
ConcernedApe still randomly does threads of 500+ keys and then counts them as sales

It's quite sad, really. The game is known mostly to only cater to coomer fags and simfags so that's why

>>718070110
>>718070031
>>718062732
meds

>>718060347
wouldn't just playing RFfrontier with in emulator with max runeys would give a better expedience since frontier has
Better mining
Better ranching
Better progression
Equipment system
Combat system
Crafting system
Snappy, responsive, and faster gameplay
better art style
when compared to sdv

>>718041330 (OP)
Still the best one idc

>>718041330 (OP)
Only the first 2 games really feel like they go forwards, the 3rd improves but it also goes sideways.
I think the key issue is that Marvelous streamlined the series so hard that the earned comf that was at the center of the IP was removed and it became more just a hollow life sim, even visually the older games have more charm, they do more with a lot less, new characters are overly detailed with minor features everywhere, visually it's not interesting, whereas compared to the old look they had a lot of broad space with little detail with minor details that captured and drew attention.
Stardew Valley is legitimately not good, it lacks the charm of Harvest Moon and it just goes ham packing in any and all content regardless of how it impacts the game itself.

>>718041330 (OP)
Doesn't Stardew Valley feel like more of a successor to Friends of Mineral Town than any of the modern games?

I think changing the series name from "Harvest Moon" wasn't a good marketing idea either.
and not to mention the 3D models people probably don't like

Fields of Mistria gets 20x more sales than "Story of Seasons"
I just think the series must have been usurped in popularity

>>718074462
is this the pronouns game

>>718074582
I have no idea. Did Twitter tell you something

>>718074582
Yes it is.

>>718074923
Just click none and be done with it

>>718046313
>playing Stardew Valley for the gameplay
Yeah, right. People just do it for the vibes, romance, and comfy feelings. Girl games never have any worthwhile gameplay because it'd drive girls away.

>>718072201
It just needed more to do in its little town, the villager stories were neat but due to the pace of the game you just kinda get it drip-fed to you, same for developing the kid

>>718075783
meds

>>718061429
>never played it
>thinks his opinion matters
Let me guess, you saw a vtuber play and made your opinion from there?

>>718045205
the only good harvest moon i can recall is DS cute JP

>>718075783
>he doesn't think plowing the fields and growing CROPS is peak gameplay
I will plow your mom next

>>718041330 (OP)
and Stardew Valley is fucking boring

I don't get it

A game about time management for work

yikes

>>718079160
>a game about countryside life, owning land, growing CROPS and spending your evenings fishing with a beer in your hand before you come home to plow your wife
It's the ultimate white male fantasy

>>718041330 (OP)
Stardew Valley was a labor of love with a very long development, Marvelous shit out games continuously with no detectable improvements. Pretty obvious.

>>718079160
All video games ever can be reduced to resource management.

>>718075783
Ok it's literally the exact same gameplay as HM tho so you're just saying that's also a bad game.

>>718041330 (OP)
>objectively superior

>>718079512
Hi ape

bump

bump

>>718041330 (OP)
Yeah it makes me sad because I always loved Harvest Moon growing up and it seems like it just disappeared. The SNES version holds a special place in my heart. The N64 version was okay as well.

I blame "It's a wonderful life". That was the last Harvest Moon game I heard about before I just stopped hearing about the series.

>>718041816
Mario if he real

What are the best HM games in history?

>>718042112
They're not going to just allow so unmarried dude to live in their town. He could be a faggot.

>>718088662
This
The mayor was just being polite and trying to avoid a hate crime lawsuit

>>718085815
>>718088372
Why are you bumping instead of engaging in conversation with any post in this thread?

>>718090578
Because I like the thread and don’t want it to die
Why are you policing the content of other peoples posts? Are you some Reddit mod?

>>718062210
Some people don't want pressure they just want to do their own thing at their own time. Time limits add a sense of urgency and might force some to use guides as to not "miss anything"

>>718090890
Read>>718062470

>>718065990
People understand this they just refuse to listen because they've been using emulators their entire lives they can't understand not using them.

>>718089704
He was really looking out for dudes desu
>>718090578
This thread needs to stay on here I want it to still be here when I get off of work in a few hours.

>>718091119
>stupid people are actually in the right
>it’s the competent people are who are tech literate who need to step down to the incompetent level

>>718090951
Doesn't matter, people still don't want ANY thing outside pressing on them they just want to play.

>>718065990
>Google snes emulator
>go to link
>click on sub link link
>click download button
>using the same site type the name of the rom you want to download
>click download button
>open emulator
>open rom

>>718091119
>you need to understand emulators are too complicated for some people, why are you being so obtuse about this

>>718091349
one of them is buying games and making sure that games as an industry continues. You faggots keep crying about Denuvo but then pirate everything forcing devs to use it. If you all actually supported games we wouldn't be in this mess. It's one thing if it's a super rare indy game from 20 years ago or you're poor, but if you have the money you should just buy the game on sale

>>718091512
Think of literally the most complicated thing on earth and I can turn it into a 10 step list like you did

>>718091529
My single contribution does not keep the gaming industry afloat, therefore I am not going to lower the amount in my debit account to play a game unless I have no other options but to pay for it

>wont someone think of the poor multinational billionaire dollar corporations

>>718091872
If everyone thought like you they'd be out of business. Also it's a bit more involved emulating games from the past decade or so vs retro games.

>>718091943
>if everyone thought like you
Yes but they don’t so this point is moot

>>718041330 (OP)
>>718042652
The power of streamers will do that to a generation. Crazy to think any game franchise can be outright replaced and forgotten thanks to some shitty streamer shilling some Indie game.

>>718091635
Actually it was 8 steps and that step list could be done by a 5 year old

>>718041816
Pretty much this OP.

>>718041907
Bruh. I was born in '90, I spent an entire summer playing A Wonderful Life when it came out and I absolutely loved Harvest Moon. Its still not objectively better than the much more polished Stardew - Stardew is less awkward, moddable, multiplayer and has virtually everything that HM did back then. This is one of those rare cases when new wasn't trash, it was just popular and popular doesn't mean bad - its just that most popular things are trashy because most people are trashy. Correllation does not equal causation.

>Who is playing SNES harvest moon, Harvest moon 64 or friends of mineral town

No one. Didn't need to specify what platform. Nobody is playing those games aside from a few retro vidya enjoyers and you certainly can't think they have mass appeal? I love Harvest moon: save the homeland, but I'm not going to pretend that everybody wants to play that, because lets be real, most people forgot/don't know it exists. Stardew is easily accessible & has tons of content, even moreso than my beloved harvest moon games

>>718094901
>missing the point
5 minutes of market research would allow normies to pick to play the superior game.

>>718079160
>yikes

>>718095398
I don't think I've missed any point. You're deluding yourself if you think emulating old ass consoles will ever be mainstream. Retro games are a niche mostly enjoyed by older gamers, younger people have a lot of trouble adapting to dated games.

>>718045235
I can't believe nobody pointed out that Stardew also has a time limit? have none of you played games?

>14 minutes of daily time, a strict time constraint to get things done
>only 2 in game years to "complete" the game (grandpa's judgement)

>>718095705
not a criticism of the game a criticism of the person

Any competent person would learn that the older HM games are superior to stardew after 5 minutes of internet research

>>718042652
It's better than the alternatives games in that genre..
pic related, My time at Sandrock

>>718096110
game is kino though and only zoomers care about MUH GWAFFICKS
fucking zoomer

>>718096168
What? Not liking a game that came out in 2022 makes me a zoomer? I think maybe you need to turn the looking glass onto yourself.

It's not a graphics issue moreso a character design issue. Why would I want to romance any character that looks like a discarded outtake from Handy Manny.

>>718095991
>only 2 in game years to "complete" the game (grandpa's judgement)
They got rid of that a long time ago, you just need to bribe grandpa with a diamond to get another chance.

>>718045571
>>718045580
>>718045816
>>718046236
>>718046723

OP is having a melty in this thread, derailing every post with his own opinion, and screaming about monkeys. He's probably dealing with some insecurity. Shit thread, don't bother replying

>>718096891
Im the OP and none of those were (you)s
Stupid pajeet

>>718096701
I didn't know ape used they/them pronouns
faggot

>>718041907
I own a copy of SNES Harvest Moon from when the game was brand new and it is NOT better than SV. It's tedious as absolute fuck.

>>718097606
>games that don't hold my hand are tedious.

>>718095991
stardew valley is way less chill with the shorter days and heavily limited stuff
play friends of mineral town, its great

>>718041801
Stop pretending like normalfags humor the concept of emulation.

>>718047648
>Friends of Mineral town
BtN already had the sprites.
HM3 had an npc helper too.

>>718097709
You clearly have not played the damn game.

>>718097880
stop pretending like that is a problem with developers and not with incompetent consumers not understanding technology.

>>718098058
I clearly have
What you are saying is that JRPGs are better than dark souls, because dark souls doesn't hold your hand and JRPGs are less tedious.

>>718098135
Plenty of people refuse to emulate for moral reasons thoughever. But that doesn't suit your narrative does it?

>>718097419
>SDV was developed by a single guy.
Huh I did not know that, I thought it was a team.

>>718041330 (OP)
I've never seen anyone give a shit about Harvest Moon since the release of fucking Farmville, but whatever I hope your attempt at being the next schizo contrarian spamfag goes well or something.

>>718041907
They're really not. I replayed those three since they're the only ones that work on my PSP for travel and they're all quite dated.

SNES is fairly bare, half the game you can't even really do any farming. Social mechanics are light and focused entirely around the girls. Farming and ranching are the only two real activities you can do with foraging in the mountain cave and fishing being fallbacks incase you run out of money somehow.

64 and GBA are better with more expressive NPCs and more things to do especially on the ranch, but even they don't have as fleshed out of world as SDV. Even if I like 64's characters more than SDV, they're just not as detailed as it. Furthermore, 64's timer for days is pretty short.

I picked up SNES HM in 2000 and 64 a little after when I got an N64, I grew up playing them and really liked them. SDV is a superior game though, being one of the few games that actually eclipses the source material it's based off of mostly because Natsume doesn't care and the original devs can't innovate anymore.

>>718041734
This, normalfags don't know how to emulate

>>718098368
>refuse to emulate 20 year old games due to moral reasons
lol
lmao
cuck

>>718041330 (OP)
First, because it's Western.
Western games tend to do much better than Japanese ones, even when their quality is a complete disaster. Take Sky Force, for example, which has 2,000 reviews on Steam, while an infinitely superior game like Natsuki Chronicles has 200...

>>718041816
Stardew Valley certainly has more things to do but the characters and dialogues ruin it for me and I'm just too lazy to look for the right mods.
Back to Nature and FoMT were still great though even if they don't have as many activities and bachelorettes look like little girls which is a big plus for me.

Is there a stardew valley mod that will make the game look like original harvest moon with its pastel colors?

Also a mod that will add personality and soul to the characters like HM does?

>>718074923
>All
>None
kek

I don't get the argument "but starjew has better gameplay" come on nigga if you wanted real farming gameplay you might as well play one of those autistic german farm sims. the real reason anyone ever liked harvest moon was the atmosphere and the dating sim mechanics with the waifus and starjew turns both of those aspects into a disgusting circus mirror version of the original.

>>718044558
To normalfags and zoomers old games don't exist, only what's available on PC or current consoles, same reason zoomers pretend zelda games before BotW don't exist

>>718100626
this

Modern SoS tried too hard to take cues from mobile gaming, gimmicks, and casual shit when they should've stuck with what they were good at, or at least a focused experience
I played pretty much every SoS (except Olive Town, not even I'm that much of a masochist) and the modern ones focus way too much on a slow beginning and time gating
The shit-tier RNG mining and overreliance on makers and crafting for everything are the worst perpetrators of this system

>>718049209
How the fuck did you derive any enjoyment from Tale of Two Towns? Legitimate question

>>718102496
I understand why the modern HM games are trash and why SV is better than those.

I am asking why stardew took off the way it did when objectively superior games existed before it did, and no one other than an indy cult following played them.

>>718041330 (OP)
>games in it that are objectively superior?
???

>>718102885
Think about it, Anon
Harvest Moon was in a slump since the start of the gimmick era in like 2007
Obviously there were a few exceptions but most of the HM games that were coming out were weird games with weirder gimmicks that turned a lot of people away
The audience for this niche grew over time as the gaming audience in general grew, but HM was squandering it. People did not really want Grand Bazaar, ToTT, A New Beginning, or the first SoS, they just wanted a basic HM game, one that hadn't really come out since Animal Parade
And Stardew Valley delivered on that desire with the original audience, and word of mouth and the mobile port did the rest

>>718102885
>objectively superior
zoomerchan...

>>718102885
>when objectively superior games existed before it did
What game or games in the genre are you suggesting are "objectively" superior? Please show your data to support this statement.

>>718103978
anyone who was played
n64 hm
snes hm
gba gm
gamecube hm

and stardew valley

Can confirm the first 4 I listed are better games.

>>718104183
Absofuckinglutely they are not. Insanity. I was assuming you had some obscure title to surprise me with, I didn't figure anyone would be stupid enough to suggest that snes harvest moon is a good game.

>>718104341
its better than stardew valley

>>718104430
You are entitled to that opinion but you used the word objectively. There is no objectivity in what you are saying.

>>718041330 (OP)
Because they spent 20 years shitting on their customers refusing even the most basic QOL improvements. Every entry since the first just barely upgrades the next entry while usually also downgrading it in some obvious and annoying way.

Also it sure was fun to only be able to carry one item at a time for 10 years because they were lazy bastards. And when they finally allowed you to have a backpack, they still made you go into the menu and manually equip each item you want from there.

Fuck them. They got what they deserved.

>>718041801
None of them. People need others to know what they're playing. So when they hop online on their online platform of choice and start playing, it'll announce to everyone what game they're playing.

>>718103978
not that anon, but I would say that Animal Parade is superior to Stardew Valley, gameplay wise
In fact, it's pretty clear that AP was one of the main inspirations for a lot of SV's mechanics in general, especially compared to the other HM games
AP has
>mixed seeds
>1 seed is 1 plant (unusual at the time for a HM game)
>fertilizer
>a similar item quality system to SV
>gemstones need to be appraised, they're in "geodes" by default
>the bells are literally proto-bundles
A bunch of little stuff, really. There's more that I'm forgetting
AP main failing is the horrendous loading times on the Wii and its atypical art style. The gameplay itself is rock solid

i like rune factory 4

>>718041330 (OP)
Harvest Moon hasn't been good since the Gamecube. That's how. People were dying for a fully featured HM style game that wasn't gimped to shit like it had been. Hell, today Story of Seasons, the actual descendant of HM, is inarguably better than HM now as well. Even Rune Factory is better.

>>718041330 (OP)
I will never play stardew. But I do still play story of seasons and rune factory.

>>718105421
>today Story of Seasons, the actual descendant of HM, is inarguably better than HM now as well.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Of course the games made by the people responsible for the series originally branded as Harvest Moon are going to be better than games developed by the people who just hoarded the rights to the name. Story of Seasons isn't a "descendant" of Harvest Moon, it's the exact same series with a different name in English.

bump

>>718077489
No I just saw from the images that the characters were kind of ugly, and then I saw some screenshots of cringe dialogue.
So yeah, never played it. Never gonna.

>>718041330 (OP)
>and has atleast a dozen games in it that are objectively superior
The problem is that isn't true. I say this as someone that enjoyed the games quite a bit. Not only that, but Natsume fucked up the localizations quite often. The DS game was one of the most egregious with this, outright making two chicks completely unavailable due to broken code and sometimes just corrupting your save randomly. Iirc the GBA game had a bunch of typos and the lumberjack guy would occasionally just start speaking Japanese.

>>718105121
>In fact, it's pretty clear that AP was one of the main inspirations for a lot of SV's mechanics in general, especially compared to the other HM games
Ape has said multiple times that SNES Harvest Moon was the main inspiration behind Stardew, I have no doubts that he researched and salvaged whatever was good in the series and made it into a single game

>>718107745
FoMT is filled with typos galore and the text bleeding offscreen for Manna while she prattles. Don't remember any missed translations but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

>>718044558
yep

>>718042402
They have a wife for that too

>>718107745
Also this gem from Hero of Leaf Valley.

>>718041330 (OP)
This
>Are zoomers just dumb and just go
>oohhh shiny new thing on steam I can play multiplayer on
and>>718041734
this

>>718107948
fucking jej
there are amateurs fan translations that do this for free while the hacks at natsume were being paid by marvellous

>>718042794
That is 100% accurate. Natsume's split of Harvest Moon never should have happened and everything they make is absolute dogshit. Story of Seasons is the original devs, but even they weren't great at QoL in their games. Concerned Ape single-handedly demolished all of them by making damn sure his game had the polish the genre severely lacked.
Karen best wife

>>718047648
>tedious sets of bullshit mines, two different ones I think that actively encourage savescumming because of their rng nature
I loved the mines, but you are completely right that there is no reasonable way to do them without savescumming, since often you'd get no path down at all.

>>718108259
>Natsume's split of Harvest Moon never should have happened and everything they make is absolute dogshit.
Why not? Natsume is only the publisher and they are responsible amateur dogshittery like this >>718107948 and this >>718107745

>top tier selection of wives
>only games they appear in are shit
>the one decent game they're are in, they look like babies and their characters are flanderized
real shame. sugar village was one of my favorite settings in the franchise.

What harvest moon games should i start with? Looking for 2-3 games to start with.

T. Diehard Runefactoryfag if it even matters

>>718109095
Boring picks, but FoMT and AWL cause those are the only ones I played as a kid, and I loved them so much, but everyone recommends them.

>>718042675
Underrated post. Stardew is visually a lot more palatable to an average westoid.

>>718041330 (OP)
>Enjoy SDV gameplay, but love HM art more
>Google sdv hm mod
>Find someone who took FoMT and turned it into SDV style instead of the other way around
I'm going to puke. what fucking serial killer freak thought this was a good idea.

Kill farmerfag gamers, kill harvest moon fags, kill story of season fags, kill stardewfags, kill

>>718060781
>Pic related is 60 fucking bucks
God damn that's horrible. I wouldn't even pay 5 for it.

>>718109691
there's this at least
https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/7443

>>718109808
Garbage, just reeks of modern day indie

I'm so desperate for some kind of comfy farm sim that I'm willing to buy into SoS Grand Bazaar hype. It's so fucking over

>>718109838
That's the HM DS style for you

>>718110084
Not even close. Everyone has the exact same eyes in the mod, men and women.

>>718109095
To start with Back to Nature/Friends of Mineral town (they're almost the same game) or HM64 is best. Good follow-ups include A Wonderful Life (divisive but memorable), Animal Parade, and Trio of Towns.

>>718103718
>People did not really want Grand Bazaar
So why are they remaking it?

>>718041816
mario if he real

>>718111406
They've added a bunch of shit to the remake which is honestly what it needed
GB was super barebones