Thread 718130082

>the ultimate display tech for gaming is 100 year old technology
Why haven't we created anything better?

Can't beat perfection.

>VINTAGE GAMING MONITOR
>$800 I KNOW WHAT I HAVE

>>718130082 (OP)
Not much in today's modern world is better than it was 30-40 years. Quality and craftsmanship on everything is basically non existent at this point and what replaced not only wasn't an improvement but an ultimate downgrade

>>718130253
I think this is a big reason why so many people in their late 20s and up are so depressed now is that we lived a lot of our formative years going through a era where every year or two everything seemed to improve in some way. This gave us a sort of blind enthusiasm for what the future would hold and quite obviously for the last decade and a half shit has stagnated and is either the same or somehow totally worse and it feels like we live in bizarro land. and if things today are better it’s in these absolutely worthless ways like a game being totally boring to play with shitty characters and no content but the graphics are ultra realistic. computers are more “powerful” but the OS is totally dogshit in a variety of ways or 20 times as invasive as it needs to be compared to what we had before that just worked and was reliable without extra bullshit involved. Consoles are way stronger but there is a fraction as many good games for them as the consoles before so it’s basically useless. We have the ability to stream movies and shows instantly and 99.9% of it is derivative boring garbage and usually full of weird identity politics crap in it which contributes nothing to the story. Everything is a monkey paw today.

>>718130450
>computers are more “powerful” but the OS is totally dogshit in a variety of ways or 20 times as invasive as it needs to be compared to what we had before that just worked and was reliable without extra bullshit involved.
Just use linux why would you continue to get assraped when you can just not

>>718130082 (OP)
I wish i lived in Brisbane so i could go see this guy and get my LG Flatron repaired.
I still have a Sony Wega, and a Wells Gardner arcade monitor.... but the LG was on another level entirely.

https://paulridgway.wixsite.com/arcade-creations

>>718130615
I don’t know what disto to start with or how to know I’m getting it from a reliable source/hasn’t been tampered with or packed with something I don’t know about. I think I used Linux cinnamon or something a few years back for a bit for like an hour just to figure out how to run it from a flash drive. needed it to try and recover some old projects from an old hard drive. (I used to make primitive videogames) What would I get if I just want to check emails and browse a couple websites and don’t care about videogames?

>>718130082 (OP)
>"umm excuse me but ancient technology was not advance.....ACK!"

>>718130450
Well said

>>718131948
>What would I get if I just want to check emails and browse a couple websites and don’t care about videogames?
Debian. Their entire philosophy is being as stable (I.E: having no crashes or bugs) as possible. The tradeoff is that you're seldom getting updates that aren't security related, so that cutting-edge driver people are fussing about might take years to arrive on Debian.

>>718132110
Post the original

>>718131948
Just use mint

>>718133589
hey i have a jvc :)

Nobody here even owns one anymore

>>718130082 (OP)
Going back to these made me really appreciate the motion clarity. Modern day emulators are great, but they just don't compare.

>>718130450
furthermore optimism or pessimism about the future is exaggerated because it's extrapolated because it's in the future and therefore exponential, if you are expecting things to improve 10% per year then in 20 years you think life will be 6.72x better than it is now. Likewise if it is going down 10% per year your brain extrapolates that it will be 6.72x worse in 20 years or 2.6x worse in 10 years.

>>718135047
The only good thing about this phenomenon is that if we hit 3 consecutive years where things got 10% better each year then society will have been largely remoralized and optimistic again. But I don't see that happening.

>decided to spend around 10 dollars in cables so I could fuck around with an old CRT I have
>working but I need to calibrate it
>laziness decided to hit and now it's collecting dust once more

>>718134598
I'm browsing on a 19" CRT monitor right now.

>>718130450
Not me I've always been a pessimistic cunt and I've been riding the told you so waves to the moon.

>>718132110
>>718133589
>aperture grille and shadowmask correctly applied in both images

>feeling nostalgic for when technology was more clunky and complicated than today
Okay here's your analogue computer.

>>718136369
The crazy part about it is that not only it works for it's intender purpose after so many years is that it will never ever fucking fail,no blue screen, no spyware, no OS.

>>718130082 (OP)
it's crazy how much better sonic 2 was over 1.

>>718130450
>>718131948
ironically, your own post hides the actual secret behind what you're describing. the truth is that everything IS better today, but everything is now more accessible than ever, and zoomers are lazy pieces of shit that don't want to do any work on their own ever and need to be spoonfed absolutely everything because they've grown up in a world that's constantly shoving dopamine down their brains for doing nothing.
windows was always shit and the world we live in today where it's easier than ever for someone to jump into linux is absolutely fantastic, but retards like you act like everything is shit because you're too fucking dumb to do literally any reading about it yourself.
there are still good games being made! but retards like yourself likely cant be bothered to seek them out, meaning you likely only see whatever latest slop is being massively marketed with some "woke" controversy, which is of course spoonfed to you by your algorithm.

>>718130082 (OP)
I had a 21" Hansol flat screen CRT. It was fucking huge and heavy, I sold it on Ebay 15 years ago but miss that nigga like you wouldn't believe. It would have been too much of a pain to come with me when I was between houses a lot back then.

Can /v/ just tell me if CRTs is some type of mental illness now? The CRT meme seemed plausible 10 years ago, but now there are thousand dollar OLEDs with 240 hz refresh rate.

>>718135036
motion clarity has to be the fakest "issue" i've ever seen when it comes to displays
there's a reason everybody moved on from plasmas instantly, it's because no one gave any fucks about muh "motion clarity"
name 3 games that it makes any difference in

>>718136147
nerd

crt is not needed anymore since 2004
today, hardware are powerful enough to output 8.3 million pixels at dozens upon dozens of fps

>>718136950
Sorry anon, I don't play games on postage stamps

retrotink 4k + oled 4k > emulation + shaders > your shitty poorfag crt

>>718137053
As long as you enjoy yourself anon
I hope you don't mind analogue noise at 4K

>>718137184
yeah
just don't come here calling your stinky old shit superior just because you are poor or are too dumb to setup a shader on your pc.
therefore, keep having fun on your sorry ass crt, buddy

>>718137053
I’ve got a tink 4k and a crt and while the larger image is nice I mostly play on the crt. The blacks and the subtle blending of pixels plus the motion clarity and 0 lag just beats the tink for me, but maybe it would be different if I had a high refresh rate oled or if I had the patience to fuck around with filters

CRTs SUCK ASS
FUCKING ZOOMERS, YOU DONT KNOW SHIT

crtfags the vegans of vidya

>>718137783
>dark souls on switch

>>718137783
>Bang&Olufsen
nice one

>>718137421
Whatever makes you feel better

>>718137896
What’s wrong with that?

>>718130450
Gotta say you make a lot of good points.

1.the enormous costs in R&D and supply chains aren't worth the niche benefits crt offers. motion clarity is a second order priority when most media consumed is either the 24 fps cinema standard where motion blur is a feature or 30fps disposable youtube videos. making videogames and livesports look marginally better in terms of motion clarity doesn't meet the high bar. oled is only barely viable because of it's similarity with lcd production.
2.crt's main strength is also one of its biggest flaws, flicker allows for motion clarity but it also directly contributes to giving people headaches from staring at a screen too long. for office workrs lcd was a godsend in usability
3. they never figured out how to reduce crt size to match larger dimensions. well to do middle class people want giant 70 inch screens to watch netflix on and at that scale the mass of crt goes from an annoyance to a hard problem you have to deal with.

>>718138380
if you're a retard i could see how you feel that way yeah

>>718130082 (OP)
plasma was an actual improvement. same response times, same glowing pixels (just a helluva lot more of them) without any uneven bleeding lamp bullshit

>>718137896
Eh I wanted to play it on the go. It’s not my preferred version but it runs pretty well on switch 2

>>718130082 (OP)
at the end of the day marginally superior motion clarity just isn't that important, not to the scale of the supply chains and R&D cost in keeping around a significantly divergent alt display technology(let alone at a level that would be viable for consumer purchase). most media people consume is either the 24fps cinema standard where blur is intended or a disposable 30fps youtube video where it doesn't matter, any real world technical examination of motion occurs frame by frame.

>>718130082 (OP)
>Why haven't we created anything better?
Why would you solve panel tech when you can just keep adding more letters and dashes to "LED," tell people JUST TWO MORE GENERATIONS, and keeping stringing them along the road of planned obsolescence??

The problem with crts (especially consumer grade ones) is the low colour volume.

>>718130082 (OP)
OLED is superior.
>muh burn in
So get a new one after 4-5 years when it burns in. You being poor is not a fault of the tech.
>b-but muh scanlines
240hz+ OLEDs can emulate CRT almost perfectly if someone cares to implement it.

>>718136985
That's the actual size you play the game, retard-san. You'd know that if you actually played games instead of spending all day larping about how shitty old monitors are great.

>>718139953
>That's the actual size you play the game, retard-san
Resolution isn't size "retard-san". You'd know that if you had more than double digit IQ

>>718138521
based contrarian

crt is cool
oled is cool
>soon™
microLED will be cool

>>718137053
>pay $750 for a worse experience than the average RGB Trinitron
lmao

It would be interesting how a flat monitor with low native resolution, but big size could feel and look for gaming.

But this kind of product would certainly piss off the hardware companies since you would no longer need insane requirements for calculating 4K resolution pixels.

>>718130082 (OP)
OLED is better

>>718142058
Have you played a 3DS XL or DSI XL?

>>718142058
It would look like shattered glass with so many sharp edges.

>>718142093
DSi XL looks incredible but 3DS XL looks ass for some reason

>>718142220
It could just be you don't like the look of 3D at low resolution
CRT's definitely help with that

>>718142275
Probably yeah. They look fine on the smaller models but you can really make out the jaggies on XL. And the 2D stuff on there has some sort of blinear filter going on its not as crisp as DSi

>literally the reason screensavers became a thing
>le ultimate technology

>>718142446
That doesn’t sound right?
Unless you are playing DS games on 3DS

>>718130450
You know how retrofuturistic movies like alien have extremely primitive computers even if they can do amazing futuristic shit like the blade runner 1 photo scene with a 1 million x 1 million resolution photo? We thought that was such a quaint misunderstanding of the future but I'm beginning to think that it's way smarter than the holographic future. Completely debloated software and hardware that can handle 100 years uninterrupted use in an industrial spacecraft, not a fucking java webpage that is orders of magnitude less efficient than a webpage from 30 years ago.

>>718144265
Some older computers had their OS on a ROM chip integrated into the motherboard. Thing just worked.

>>718141063
that's blurry as fuck, can barely see those 9999 ammo

>>718146381
I'm a gaymer, not a photographer.

>OLED
>cost 2x as much
>dies 10x faster

how's that geometry on your "LE PERFECT MOTION CLARITY" meme screen?

>>718130082 (OP)
CRTs suck. You can posture as a grayscale chad and pretend you're owning me all you want, but CRTs were big, yet with tiny displays, heavy, prone to burn-in (hence screensavers) and they were uncomfortable to look at for extended periods of time. Their only real advantage in current year is that retro games look better on them, which is niche as hell. People jumped on LCDs as soon as they could, despite their early pains, for a good reason, and nobody makes new CRTs anymore for also a good reason. Nobody wants to bother with an inferior, clumsy technology when superior replacements exist.

>>718147350
All SD content looks better on a CRT, including DVD’s
Only two kinds of people hate CRTs, women and rentoids

>>718130082 (OP)
There's just things LCDs aren't really capable of doing that phosphor guns can.

Analog is just that: a continuous stream of data that accounts for everything within its range. There are compromises when working with analog, sure (such as the susceptibility to distortion), but the infinitesimal amount of values that can be captured in an analog signal are impossible to match digitally. Digital output has to have some precision cutoff, it's the very nature of it.

>>718130082 (OP)
Same reason why lightbulbs are not immortal anymore.

>>718130082 (OP)
Now show 2048x1536 at 240Hz.

>>718130082 (OP)
this is hipster shit for zoomies.

>>718149025
If it kept on going that way 4K would’ve been standard much earlier
>>718149278
Not in the slightest

>>718147249
warped, just like how I view reality.

>>718136774
It makes a difference in literally every game. Anyone who cannot tell the difference is not even sentient.

>>718139090
> marginally superior
Its not marginally superior, its near perfect vs completely unusable.

CRT only looks good if you're standing 30 feet from from the screen.

>>718151392
What?
Where do you people come up with this bs

>>718151712
my eyes came up with it

>>718152670
POV: you’re about to get ripped off

Wish I never got rid of my old pc, would love to see the old files and screenshots on there

>>718149793
You always sacrifice resolution for refresh and vice versa with a CRT, and the screens would have been tiny. The biggest screen (not counting CRT rear projection) was 40" and like 400lbs. I'm on a 55" that's like 40lbs without the stand (91 with).

>>718130082 (OP)
so what the fuck is the solution?
>CRT
too large. I need muh flat screens.
>IPS
dogshit.
>OLED
only lasts for 3 years.

>>718145138
>>718144265
anons did you know that there are still these things called embedded systems? of course you fucking didn't. You need more than the base functionality required to count 500 poptarts on a conveyor belt

purpose built software for specific hardware that isn't connected to the internet is still a thing. They still make it. YOU as a general consumer likely have little use for it due to their extremely niche uses. You can also still set up any computer you want, shove some OS on it, and never connect it to the internet. WOW!

>>718156312
>always
Like I said, if the technology kept going it would have advanced

>>718156392
>only lasts for 3 years
Is every Vita 1000 unusable?

>>718156832
what's a vita 1000? (yes)

>>718130450
nice blogposting you psued.
all you had to say was.
>why am i paying more for a inferior product ?

>>718142220
Pixel density = sharpness. Games look much much better on the small 3DS models

>>718136762
A high quality crt monitor doing 1440p at 85hz is incomparable for video games. Anything with a lot of motion I play on my CRT with almost no exceptions. Sadly these don't really exist anymore so people have no idea what they're missing.

>>718137896
That's one of the best versions retard

>>718157290
You're still limited to 85fps if you don't want tearing (and there will still be tearing with vsync), and 85 is unacceptable.

>>718157654
>>718157290
>tfw no 144hz 1440p CRT with adaptive sync
FEELS BAD

>>718142058
crt lines are such a cope, you could always see the pixels, and the image was blurry as fuck