Thread 718163085

Starcraft customs thread

Remember when custom games had soul?
What were you favorite ones and which ones did you play until 6 am?

this is basically continuing talking about sc customs from that roblox thread but that threads dead and I care more about sc customs than roblox

EVOLVES

Golem mass attack was one of my favorites
It was always imbalanced though because some people knew the recipe/execution of making the good golems while others had no clue

>8 civvies
>2 in each beacon
>Get a carrier and automatically win basically

>>718163085 (OP)
blessed pic

>>718163085 (OP)
>build bunker
>put marines in bunker
>have fun
:)
vs 2025
>forced into public lobby with predators
>meet up with 13 yo friend from Roblox
>get beheaded

>>718163530
Are you getting preyed on by 13 year old muslims?

>>718163085 (OP)
Y'know, people say that RTS died because:
>something something gookclick something something build order etc.
But UMS maps on Brood War were always the highlight for me, shit like Tank D, Special Forces, DBZ All Sagas, Helm's Deep, Heaven's Last Stand, etc., you could basically just turn the base game into borderline whatever genre and story you wanted, and things like bunker stacking, 255 upgrades, unused units like Aldaris, etc. blew my mind as a kid

>>718163085 (OP)
Never forget they took this away from you

>>718163085 (OP)
For me it was RPGs. My favorite to this day is elemental RPG and it isn't nostalgia talking because I went back last year and played it alone and with buddies and it was still fun clearing the maps different areas, getting XP, making progress, upgrading your unit, clearing trials, and of course the endgame section and fights and then doing it all over again as a different element and seeing how that plays
Element TD 2000 is the best but the other versions are great too

>>718163697
They fucked up UMS on SC2 and essentially killed the whole scene
The only games on there were like nexus wars and some other promoted bullshit instead of random variety.

I’m surprised there’s no autismcore deep dive video explaining the intricacies of the map editor in SC1 and the 3rd-party tools they used to get more stuff that’s normally not available in the base editor

>>718164397
I remember those 3rd party star edits where people were importing models like gundams and digimon and shit in and making the utter craziest maps out there at the time

>>718163085 (OP)
LOTR last alliance was fucking awesome. we'd spend an hour building huge armies and getting all the secret characters then crash the game attacking mordor

>>718163085 (OP)
sunken, evolves, dbz were probably my most played.

Anyone up for some Diplo?

>>718163085 (OP)
i remember playing that dbz rpg game and naruto arena and freeze tag

and that zergling race game that had a sum41 song playing in the background at high pitch

bout to give the biggest nostalgia shock up in here

I just got one question for you /v/,
Can you do 25 Tricks?

>>718164723
and special forces, how could I forget those.

I miss /v/starcraft

Godzilla
Sim city
Resident evil
Fuck you guys are going to make me redownload and play these again

What's the best way to play original SC/BW that isn't paying blizz for remastered shit?

>>718165151
that's the only way iccup and fish don't exist anymore

Is there a way to play these games with /v/ros like what people did for WC3?

>>718165151
Raccoon City

>>718165151
>What's the best way to play original SC/BW that isn't paying blizz for remastered shit?
wasn’t OGBW made officially free? I thought you had to shell out money only if you wanted the remastered graphics

Turret defense stack

>>718165384
This.
>>718165215
>>718165151


>StarCraft and Brood War content are free to download and do not require any DVD or activation code. This can be installed through the Battle.net desktop application.

>A Blizzard account is required to log in. Once the application is logged in with your account, navgiate to the Starcraft game menu using the icons available. An install option will be available there.

Haven't played starcraft custom maps in over 20 years. Did they ever increase the unit/projectile limit?
Or let mapmakers make custom units?

nuke the whales

>>718163085 (OP)
>check out SC2 custom games
>Literally only the same 5 ones are played
>everything else is dead as fuck
>check wc3
>Its "relative" alive but looks much healthier than SC2
What the fuck happened?

>>718165304
>>718165386
Fuck I love SC1’s art direction, from the graphical style to the really distinct limited color palette used for things like map names, it’s so cozy

>>718165636
Blizzard

>>718165636
basically
>>718164186

>>718165519
I could’ve sworn there was some patch that tried to fix the bug where Valkyries didn’t fire if there was too much stuff happening at once, but I’m not sure if it actually works

>>718165476
>A Blizzard account is required to log in.
Gay

>grocery store wars
>that chrono rpg

Post more

you guys must be pretty old if you remember this stuff

>>718163085 (OP)
Protect the president
LOTR helms deep
The strip X random anime girl games where they show up on the mini map
Special forces

Most of these maps were probably shit, but the nostalgia goggles are too powerful so I consider them kino

I miss frozen throne custom games like you wouldnt believe.
I hate that blizzard completely fucked up reforged and were so assblasted at losing dota they changed the eula to fuck over anyone creating a custom game.
Starcraft 2, for whatever reason, never reached the same heights as wc3/FT custom scene. Oddly enough, Halo 3 had a much larger custom games scene than I would have ever imagined. The variety was surprising.

>>718169730
I was playing RP maps long before 95% of /v/ current was shat out of their parents sex chute.

>>718169730
Old, but not that old. Honestly I usually forget how old I am and still think im 20.

>>718169730
WDYTYA

What makes the user made custom games in games like starcraft and warcraft different than the random games in roblox and why is one okay on /v/ but the other frowned down upon?

>>718165519
It's fixed

How did SC2 fuck things up so badly?

>>718164989
I never learned all of them, sadly. I think the arbiter cloaking was usually where I got stuck

>>718171973
Wasn't that the first trick?

Man, I fucking love Special Forces

>>718163085 (OP)
There was a brief resurgence when the remaster came out. I played so much Crash RPG and Grocery Store Wars

>>718172214
Maybe there were different version of that game, but I think it was fairly late in the map. After the drone floating, glitching past minerals, using a landing building to kill a unit(?), and a lot of other things I don't even remember anymore

>>718169730
Average age of /v/ is late 20's early 30's or atleast still 30%+

>>718163085 (OP)
I wish I knew Korean so that I could try out those crazy Korean RPG maps, those look like they have an insane amount of effort put in

>>718172573
I remember the first trick being cloaking a ling with an arbiter which filtered so many people
It might be different versions

>>718173206
Any images or videos? How did they break the limits of the Staredit scripting?

>>718169730
Most phone games were at some point, a warcraft 3 map that somebody made for fun.

>>718163368
Dark archon says hi

I didn't ever get into sc custom games but I always loved peon olympics maps on wc2

>>718164960
>>718165204
What the fuck were they doing to people in that Academy?

>>718174626
>implying people knew how to get one

>>718174775
>academy needed to make medic
You do the math

>>718163085 (OP)
What happens when you grab graphic animations from 12 different RTS games and shove them into 1 mod of Starcraft 1?

What happens when you pay SC1 experts to play your mod while people are gambling Twitch money in the chat on who wins?

https://www.youtube.com/c/pr0nogo/live

>>718174775
Ghosts practicing their death screams.

>>718174827
Are you kidding me? Everyone always did lurker for kills then dark archon mc wars with some mixture of reavers for the kill.

>>718174964
How many percent of ghosts understood that most of them die via the own nukes they targeted for launch?

>>718165519
it's fixed, valkyries are fixed, units not firing are fixed

>>718175109
So stacked TDs can realize their full potential now?

>>718174775
torturing them and pumping full of drugs to create obedient and skilled soldiers

>>718175186
yes. In fact koreans made such advancements in map making these maps are basically directly manipulating the engine. Crazy shit like God TD could not exist in the olden days

>>718175456
Damn that sounds crazy
I need a way to find and try these

I'm watching some games from several years ago.
Who the FUCK thought it would be a good idea to let rapid solo cast. He's SO fucking bad.

>>718171025
Nobody spent or made any money on Starcraft maps. If you were making/playing a custom map, you were doing it for fun and not to make a number go up.

>>718175740
True soul
We'll never ever get this back

I like that stuff like Poker D still gets updates to this day

>>718163085 (OP)
>What were you favorite ones
golems

>>718176670
Wait what how?
I remember playing that on SC AND WC3
Fear the reaper!

Jungle Race is peak
Koopa Clan Wars too

>>718174125
Maybe I'm the one misremembering, and I used to get stuck on the very first trick before finally breaking through. I know I learned at least 12-14 tricks, but I don't think I ever saw the ending

>>718176974
Poker D was really fucking popular for a while, and exists for SC, SC2 and WC3

It’s been a real long time since I actually sad down and played a custom map online (for some reason the older I’ve gotten the more I can’t bring myself to do online play anymore), but I’m curious, how much have the limits been pushed in terms of mechanics these days? Can you do things like give Terran/Zerg units Protoss shields? Can you change how fast Zerg units/buildings regen their health? Can you upgrade building and worker attacks? Can you give nonattacking units attacks from other units? Those sorts of things, I need closure for my childhood

>>718163697
Based Heaven's Final Hour enjoyer.

>>718179059
I recall back then when there was things like max damage caps at 255 and stuff and you had to fudge it with upgrades that also capped at 255. It was funny

>>718179059
you can do all of that, but it involves korean black magic and afaik some equivalent of realtime hex editing

Anyone played the Spellsword RPG

All I remember is every custom map being impossibly hard, and if the game is a group effort someone will fall and the rest will die soon after. Maybe if there was some sort of difficulty curve instead of a sheer cliff the community would have lasted longer.

>>718179059
At some point they discovered a overflow exploit called EUD (Extended Unit Deaths), which works by overflowing the integers that hold the numbers of deaths for each unit type for each player in order to modify other values in memory. This allows you to pull of some wild fucking bullshit. We're talking replacing the siege tank turret with a goliath turret, giving shields to non-protoss units, giving marines ghost weapons, making anything upgradeable to 255, giving a drone a yamato cannon skill, and so on. It's almost like having access to the WC3 editor for the original StarCraft. Some Korean even made a fucking side-scrolling Mario game with physics

https://youtu.be/JUQcozMPL8I

>>718179998
There's a map called Zombie Hunter 2 that saves your data between games and is basically an MMO co-op top down shooter with Starcraft units using EUD maps. The shit they can do now is crazy. You have a blink and all sorts of shit.

>>718179946
Sadly that's the fate of most online communities. People get so used to playing the same map that they want more of a challenge, and so you get v2, and then v2.1, v3, vFINAL, FINAL GOLD v2, XTREME GOLD v1.3 FINAL, etc. At some point they're just trolling the player with one-shot damage and spawning 500 ultralisks on top of the player

>>718179998
Holy shit

>>718179946
>Maybe if there was some sort of difficulty curve instead of a sheer cliff the community would have lasted longer.
Nigga, while it's nowhere near what it was in the early 2000s, it doesn't change the fact that you've been able to get a custom game in all sorts of different game modes for almost 30 years, you still can today and people continue to make maps.

>>718180139
Neat, I didn't know you could save data. I played quite a few Sniper maps during the Remastered resurgence, and some of those maps have a ton of custom skill. It's honestly crazy what they pull off, when they used to just rely on you pressing A and clicking the enemy unit as soon as it appeared because auto-attack was turned off

>>718180319
It uses an external database program to do it that was built for this sort of thing called SCA but it's pretty cool nonetheless.

>>718180319
I recall in the original sniper maps they forced that by making everyone civilian sided or something so that autoattack can't work you have to click. I also remember huge use of terrain and even trees to cause misses in that. It was brilliant for its time

>every other custom game eventually turned in to a full game.
>Except Life of a Peasant.

Then again, I remember winter maul wars was huge but I haven't seen a fully game in that style. Are there any indie games that attempted tower war customs?

>>718179998
Here's an example of a map that uses custom abilities and shit

https://youtu.be/GGiHSHAgMko

>>718180706
How do you turn LOAP into a full game?

>>718180460
I think they just forced everyone to be allied to everyone else, since auto-attack only works against enemy units. And yeah, the original maps were PvP and terrain was a huge factor. It was basically capture the flag meets hide and seek

i remember playing a MOBA custom for SC2 which essentially became HOTS

>>718180893
The one that had generic unit heroes? I remember thinking it was really doofy for a guy to be rolling around as a protoss carrier.

I remember DOTA2 had a map maker that was hyped up as being the next big thing. Whatever happened to that? Why did it die?

I've played a warcraft 3 custom game that was a platformer. You played as the little maplestory mushroom and jumped on things. It didn't control like warcraft 3, it controlled like a sidescrolling platformer. How the hell did they do that?

When are they going to turn Cat Vs Mouse into a stand-alone game?

>>718180976
I just remember playing as Raynor

>>718180993
Black magic

>>718181118
I fucking knew it

Remember ORPGs?

>>718180993
The WC3 editor was pretty flexible with custom scripts and imports. Even GUI had some solid legs with only minor cleanup scripts for leaks.

>>718174775
Nothing. It was a post-graduation scream of joy.

>>718181151
It was actually easy to change the camera in WC3. You've probably played a turret-defense map that had a camera mode that followed the enemy wave. Importing custom models was also easy. Reacting to keystrokes can easily be done through abilities, since they can be triggered by key presses. I couldn't tell you how the physics of it worked, though

>>718181202
the anime fight maps with custom sprites and skills and shit were a real showcase of how far people took worldedit and its extensions

I wish I had played SC2 and Warcraft 3 ... what did I miss out on compared to SC1 UMS?

>>718181202
>>718180993
Pretty cool to see in wc3
Completely whack insane to see in SC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL0RQJb10Mo

>>718180993
W3 Map editor allows you to do some crazy shit if you take your time to learn the triggers, it's can basically be used as a standalone game engine. Look at this for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyKDEiwUSFs
I've also seen some prototypes of an FPS map a long time ago, not sure if it was ever finished.

>>718181462
WC3 customs were a golden age and I lament for anyone that missed out before Blizz axed the community's soul.

>>718181516
Man that's so cool, how the hell do they do that

>>718181570
Blizz didn't axe war3s soul, it did that for SC2 when they fucked up the UMS maps discovery so only the same maps would ever show up and you wouldn't find any new things
War 3s soul got fucked by people botting dota and wintermaul hosts so no matter how many times you refresh those are the only things that pop up with the occasional mafia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-8g_yUevP0
I had to look past a few videos to find one without some guy's face or voice, this is the mushroom game I was talking about. I've never seen the metal slug or shmup customs before, people are crazy with these editors.

I feel like Volcano Escape really could have been a great genre if a talented map maker evolved the genre but as it was it was really dogshit, just like how there were no Harry Potter maps but plenty of LOTR maps of different genres.

>>718164186
yeah i played so much sc/bw, gave sc2's custom map scene countless chances and it just never worked

>>718181516
Holy fuck what am I watching?

>>718172554
that was a spectacular month

>>718182219
A truly phenomenal month. Now gone, like a fart in the wind.

>>718181841
Damn this is awesome too. My god to think these games could go this far. This thread has my mindblown

>>718181462
I always prefered SC to WC3, but SC2 just felt like a pale comparison to either. There were definitely some great WC3 games though, and it's sad Blizzard killed the community completely

>>718181841
This reminds me of Everybody Edits a bit.

Who's the killer where everyone is a civilian (Hey! How y'all doing!) but one person at random gets a DT and like 5-10 minutes to kill everyone and when the time is up people have to guess who was the killer

IT

WAS

PEAK

>>718182725
Probably the first social deduction game I ever played, and might even be the inspiration for a lot of the ones that came later. Stuff like Vampirism or whatever they were called in Wc3

>>718163085 (OP)
I played a shit ton of phantom mode in sc2. Enough to never want to play any Mafia type game ever again.

>>718182809
There was basically perfect clone in WC3 which was also by the same name
Instead of a DT you get an invisible gargoyle

>>718182994
I've played a lot of Phantom in Brood War, but the meta there is the Phantom rushes. When people didn't rush, our clique would go around killing people until we found the Phantom.

>>718183231
Usually what ended up happening is that everyone waited around too long and let the phantom scale up too much.
I always had fun making only banelings and when fighting started happening picking the player I didn't like and sending everything in at them.

>>718163085 (OP)
I use to have 3 vs 5 cpu titled "ALL NIGHT LONG" It was always a blast and sometimes, you'd get those games where your team mate turns off shared vision.

>>718183798
>bro why are you building so many photon cannons in my base?
>extra protection dude, we're a team and we have to be prepared

>later that game
>green is no longer your ally

>>718169730
My name is Oldman but I'm not that old, man.

>>718171025
Because it's the definition of soul vs soulless

>>718171025
warcraft and starcraft are cool and roblox is gay tranny groomer rotten dogshit for children

>>718171025
Mostly just the monetization aspect.
There are good games on each but that's not here or there.

Hey /v/, DON'T FUCKING MOVE

We always talk about the good games we enjoyed on Starcraft and Warcraft but as a twist what about the bad games you can remember? What were some you tried and never wanted to touch again? Can you remember any?

>>718186334
while we're talking about script and editing magic how did those maps work? Also with the don't click maps that would crash you if you did? Some editor exploit no doubt but how?

>>718185865
This.

>>718179998
Wizardry

Raccoon City... Home.

>>718163085 (OP)
GOD I fucking loved old Battlenet defense maps. I also enjoyed skit maps people would put on for each other. The porn maps were also good for a wank.

Good times... Simpler times.

Stacking thousands of bunkers on top of one another was more fun than it ever had any real right to be.

>>718163085 (OP)
>>718163697
I fucking miss it bros. You could pop on at any time and find a map you'd never even heard of before.
>>718164186
The fact of the matter is the poor UI in the old battle.net ended up a boon. The most recently made game automatically at the top of the list made it so literally anyone could get people for obscure stuff.

>>718182028
Didn't blizzard literally and unironically claim their EULA gave them exclusive ownership of anything made with SC2's mod tools as part of an attempt to ensure another DOTA couldn't get out of its hook nosed clutches?
Its like if Photoshop claimed you couldn't monetize any digital art made with it because they owned all the artwork any artwork made with it forever. No wonder that shit never took off, who wants to slave away for their shit to be owned by some billion dollar corporation

>>718189265
What utter sorcery did they use so that you didn't have to load them all with Marines/bats/ghosts manually? It's always so crazy looking back

>>718189695
Pretty sure most maps had them either load automatically or had the bunkers already with guys in them once they were placed. How did they do it? I have no clue, I never could make a map to save my life.

>>718163085 (OP)
The og Dawn of the Dead and Raccoon City were the fuckin goat. Some versions of swat were fun, but most were horribly unbalanced.

>>718189659
This didn't help but really what killed it is they refused to listen about their godawful browser and when they finally changed it, it was far too late.

>>718190117
>they don't let you join sex any more
Sex was where child me learned about all sorts of things they really shouldn't have.

>>718186334
I cant remember, but didnt you just have to spam stop to win?

>>718190716
Frankly I think people have forgotten that part of being a child is occasionally finding and doing things you really shouldn't.

Tug of war, evolves, special forces, sunken D, tower D. Damn they were all fun.

>>718190978
There's certainly that component, but the extent that a child can do things they shouldn't today is on a bit of another level than what it used to be before the internet. I can't imagine it isn't going to have an effect on children's development.

I want lotrish maps with no arbiter easy mode.

Parasite broa ww@
>social deduction whodunnit game but also you are in an Alien movie

>>718180730
Maybe it’s just copious but I legitimately think that if a new RTS got made, but it had this level of customizable fuckery for custom maps, it could actually do surprisingly well as a throwback game

>>718180893
The big moba was Sotis, had a decent community but it dried up when Dota 2 started it's beta release due to the inherent input delay in SC2 being terrible.
I was part of the in-house community, and personally responsible for getting heroes nerfed, I forget the names but one was essentially Tiny and the other was kinda sorta Necro.

>>718164397
>autismcore deep dive video explaining the intricacies of the map editor in SC1
As an amateur dev who is making a shitty RTS and is kinda interested in giving it decent custom map support, I wish there was.
Mostly about the shit that actually made it successful, by comparison to whatever the fuck they did wrong with SC2.

>>718180991
we got auto chess
now it's the newest Chinese wc3 platform. Bastards only play angel arena and angel arena flavored stuff