Thread 718194043

Be honest
Will four niggas in a row actually save Final Fantasy in their future games?

11 was an mmo. 14 was an mmo. 17 will be an mmo.

>>718194043 (OP)
no, the writing has gone off a cliff as of late
13 was disappointing
14's dawntrail was awful
15 was disappointing
16 was disappointing (fuck you chaos)

>>718194043 (OP)
No. The people who were capable of creating the quality of games needed to save Squeenix are no longer there.

Have you seen Bravely Default 2?

>>718194159
14 makes way too much money for them to make another MMO to compete with it.

>>718194262
Man, I REALLY wanted to like 15. A bunch of bros on a car trip sounds comfy as hell in concept.

>>718194386
The trip part of the game was good. The problem was... everything else around it.

>>718194887
Yeah, that's my issue too. Road trip is great, but everything else about the game sucks.

>>718194043 (OP)
turd based sells like shit.

>>718194043 (OP)
The normies and YouTubers have spoken: turn-based is le bad and all RPGs must transition to rollslop combat systems

>>718194271
That's clearly not true, because the people involved in 7 and 8 and 10 have been there and never stopped making shit, it's just what they made before they all got shuffled into the remake project was shit like 13 and the 3rd birthday

>>718194043 (OP)
Gameplay is only half the issue if not less. The real issue is how the aesthetic and art style of Final Fantasy got worse after X and absolutely killed in XIII onwards. It's no longer a fantasy series. It's Sci-Fi garbage. Half the time it's modern day/futuristic slop.
>b-b-but Final Fantasy was always Sci-Fi! Look at the Amano art of FF1!
IT'S ABOUT AESTHETIC YOU TASTELESS MORON!

>>718194043 (OP)
Final Fantasy needs no saving. FFXVI sold more in a week than Clair Obscur or Metaphor has sold in a month.

>>718194043 (OP)
No, turn-based enjoyers are just a loud minority, normalfags who can actually massively boost FF sales don't really care and if anything probably prefer action combat. The real concern is having a good story and an actually finished, good game, which has not happened in a long time.

>>718195249
XIII has one of the best art directions in the entire series.

LMAO

>>718195392
I hate porcelain tech garbage and genuinely hope you kill yourself

>>718195249
>gameplay wasn't the issue with XIII
>it's the aesthetic

>>718194386
>Only one town and just a bunch of gas stations, fishing spots, and dungeons
Not really much of a road trip is it?

>>718195490
>gameplay is only half the issue
What part of that says that gameplay isn't the issue? Are you blind, retarded, or both?

the autistic screeching about turn based combat is just a distraction from FF being a fucking joke in a gaming economy where people want ball bustingly hard games with interesting worlds, something that XVI failed hard at by making its entire "world-spanning" saga a story of 4 open zones with nothing to do in them and something that VIIR fails at by being a skinwalking new IP pretending to be a remake

>>718195490
>>718195392
Like I said, gameplay was only half the issue. The art style and aesthetic of XIII being absolutely dog shit modern day/futuristic slop was a huge negative and arguably a bigger hit in quality for me.

>>718194043 (OP)
A true traditional FF4/6/9 style Final Fantasy with the highest budget Square can allow is something I always wanted since 2006.
The excuse back then was "WE CAN'T MAKE HIGH DEFINITION TOWNS!" which is why FF13 was a hallway simulator. FFS you can't even visit the big city in FF15 except late in the game when its already destroyed.

Silver: Dragons Dogma 2 and Granblue Fantasy
Bronze: metaflop and p3 demake

>>718195028
15 is a great game that doesn't actually have a functioning Final Fantasy component as we understood it from 6 onwards (movie games). They planned it out, but didn't have the time or budget to actually include it, so you just get 1/4 of a game where you hang out with your bros doing hunts, fishing, and cooking. It's comfy, but laughable in terms of what the brand should put on the table. The final boss and ending are kino at least, but everything between the Venice town to that point is a joke.

>>718195471
>The baby’s throwing a tantrum
Gran Pulse alone mogs every other Final Fantasy setting in terms of art direction and XIII isn’t even one of my favorite FF games. Deal with it.

Roblox

>>718195709
>the only good looking part of the game that you spend 3 hours in excuses the rest of it looking like the toilet and hot tub aisle at home depot

>>718195671
You just don’t like futuristic stuff so that’s on you. FFXIII has objectively good art direction, and isn’t even entirely futuristic. It has more naturalistic locations as well like the crystal lake, Sunleth Waterscape,
and the entire Gran Pulse.

>>718194043 (OP)
If the writing is shit? Definetly not.

>>718194386
>14 makes way too much money for them to make another MMO to compete with it.
Game is in a freefall, I can see them doing a spiritual sequel and give you some goodies if you transfer your 14 account over or something

>>718195786
No? You spend about a third of the entire game there because of how massive it is.

>>718195591
Sorry I forget /v/ has so many ESLs now. 'The' issue as in >51% of the issue.
See
>half the issue if not less
>if not less
>>718195671
see above. The game would have been received just as poorly with the same gameplay and a more traditional aesthetic.

>>718194043 (OP)
Now that Square Enix is dead and your stocks pics are meaningless, what's next for the genre?

>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

>>718195981
Counterpoint: Chadley

>>718195918
anon if you know why they made 14 in the first place you'd know they aren't going to get away with another 1.0 fiasco where they try and kill 14 just to get people to play another MMO that's exactly the same

>>718194386
>14 makes way too much money for them to make another MMO to compete with it.
yoshi-p basically came out and said "we don't have enough money to make new content"
>>718195576
he said in concept

>>718194386
>A bunch of bros on a car trip sounds comfy as hell in concept.
this is exactly why I didn't play 15 at all. no qt's = no buy. not final fantasy.

>>718195981
>flawless deep combat
literally the worst kingdom hearts games have better combat than this dreck

>>718195981
>staggerslop
>deep

>>718195981
>>Great characters
>>Great story
>>Great art direction

MY FUCKING SIDES

>>718194043 (OP)
Alone no, they need to hire some writers who have an actual vested interest and passion in writing, area design, character design. and combat design. The reason that 4 niggas in a row worked for years, was because new mechanics kept being added to make it interesting, but alongside it, the series kept growing.

There's 2 reasons, or...for what its worth, 2 people who are missing whose influence made final fantasy what it was. And at this point if you're still trying to deny this, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Uematsu was still floating around, him having a direct impact on the composing of songs clearly isnt there anymore. And Sakaguchi no longer being there is the largest influence that cant be denied. FF9 was his last game as producer, and its one of the best in the series even if you don't agree that its THE best.

tl;dr The main problem with Final Fantasy was that squaresoft stopped being squaresoft, and got rich. Instead of passionate nerds and even more passionate designers and composers making the games, its salary men trying to make the latest thing to appease shareholders. A humble and poor squaresoft is the best squaresoft.

>>718195981
I see you're talking about 13 and posted the wrong pic

>>718196070
You have never played a single KH or FF game in your life. You have never played a video game.

>>718195981
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
It's true, I still think to this day how retarded the time jannies are. Definitely memorable.

I might actually check it out at the very least.

>>718196076
there is literally nothing wrong with stagger and there are multiple masterpieces that use it as a core combat mechanic.

>>718196151
Whatever helps you get your shill money ranjeet

Final Fantasy is a dead brand.

>>718196264
*None of which are final fantasy titles

>>718196352
>ignoring the huge mtg drop

>>718194159
19 will be an MMO because it will be XIX

>>718196359
FFVII Rebirth is the highest rated single player FF game since IX, so nah.

>>718196447
>the game that appeals to the lowest common denominator does well

Say it ain't so.

>>718194043 (OP)
They need to do another FFIX, fantasy looking game with non-humans everywhere. It needs to be turn based too.

>>718196310
No, but I think it's hilarious that someone who has never played even one game in either series could claim with certainty that KH:DDD has better gameplay than any other action game ever made.

>>718196447
anon i...
please be bait

>>718196376
EOSing not soon enough like every other mobile game from SE.

>>718194159
Probably 18 will be the next mmo

>>718194043 (OP)
FF17 should have ff7 rebirths combat and two legendary waifus like tifa and aerith

>>718196495
You can say that about pretty much every game you personally don’t like.

>>718195490
NTA but got me it was the dog shit story

>>718196759
Once you go on the internet you will never stop wanting to beat FF7 fans to death with your bare hands.

>>718196625
Where’s the bait? It’s a fact that Rebirth is the most critically acclaimed single player FF game since IX, hence it is a masterpiece. I don’t like Elden Ring but the fact remains that it’s one of the highest rated games of all time.

If you want to deny reality itself just because of your personal feelings about the game then that’s on you.

>>718194043 (OP)
Bros... we need a banger or Atluschads are going to humiliate us again with Persona 6.

>>718196806
Because every game I personally don't like is bad.

>>718196076
What's the problem with stagger?

>>718196993

>>718195084 lol

>>718194043 (OP)
I didn't buy 16 because it had faggots.

>>718196013
The brutal challenges were fucking bullshit but I still like them
>>718196070
>>718196076
You didnt learn the game
>>718196116
Go back to your le heckin deep Last of Us 2
>>718196128
13 is good but not as good as the 7 Remakes
>>718196168
Trust the plan, part 3 ending will blow your mind and you'll be on your knees begging forvigeness for doubting

>>718195981
>Lots of content
Massive downside in this case.

>great story
Yet somehow worse than the original in the parts it covers.

>>718194043 (OP)
Their turnbased games sell like shit, they're not making the next ff turn based. Besides, gameplay is not even the problem with modern ff, it's taking years to make a game that at best is ok.

>>718196993
>Persona 6
lmao
that game is NEVER going to exist

>>718196495
Every FF has always been lowest common denominator, its how it even got big at all.

>>718197115
every game you play has a faggot ___you___

>>718196013
This desu, only thing that really annoyed me. They probably should have divvied out some of his roles to other characters
Maybe Kyrie doing the hunts or something, she'd only a couple of quests to her name otherwise

>>718196359
I wish it was be turn based too, retard, but it isn't. there is no precedent for the type of combat in the ff7 remakes, so if the combat is already action hybrid shit then there is literally nothing wrong with the game having stagger

Final Fantasy thinks it's still the 90s and they can just have the best looking cutscenes and that translates to tens of millions of sales when everybody else caught up to them by the sixth gen.

Four niggas in a row would at least mean they'd have to think about actual game design.

Also their stagger obsession is a cancer.

>>718194271
There is no Final Fantasy without Hironobu Sakaguchi. Square is lost without his vision for the games.

>>718197934
FFVII Rebirth’s combat has more depth to it than any of the turn based games they’ve made. You have to take materia loadout, party composition, positioning, enemy vulnerabilities, and specific synergy skills all into consideration, which involves far more strategy than what the original game offered.

>>718196867
why, whats wrong?

>>718198412
They think their game is the best in the series and everything FF has been catered to them since their game came out.

>>718194271
Like all Japanese companies there is still lots of glory days employees there they just don't do anything useful anymore. But for Final Fantasy in particular it's never going back to the Gooch (explicitly Fantasian was made on the belief it was likely his last game) so it's never going to be golden age Final Fantasy. But the only identity post-Sakaguchi Final Fantasy has is Lightning and Shadowbringers and they can't make anything out of those besides increasingly garbage XIV expansions.

>>718196121
Nojima has been writing Final Fantasy for a gorillion years and is responsible for both the most beloved and most fucking stupid shit in the franchise

>>718194043 (OP)
It’s been so long since they’ve done turn based combat so if it does come back it would feel refreshing. I honestly think Clair Obscur brought back their interest in doing it. I just want to see what a modern, big budget turn-based Final Fantasy could look like

Subhuman franchise for subhuman fans.

>>718198546
Nojima should have been thrown off a window after X-2, it would've prevented a lot of damage to the franchise

>>718194043 (OP)
If it also had charming, colorful character and world design it will. The biggest thing with 3-5 niggas in a row is that it's cheaper to develop, especially if you combine it with prerendered backgrounds and unrealistic anime graphics.

>>718196867
Eh that was true if you lived through the 90s early 00s internet. These days it feels like that specific niche in the internet ecosystem has been taken over by Personafags.
These days FF7fags are like a one-hit wonder showing up to a big music fest and struggling to fill out their stage time after they do their one hit.

Honestly would the franchise be in a better place if spinoff games like Bravely and Octopath had Final Fantasy in the title

>>718198976
X-2 is fucking funny because even in the pre-release promotional interviews he is so fucking butthurt about having to write it because he wants X to be a downer ending while Kitase is excitedly hyping up Tidus coming back. I don't even know how they thought giving him free reign to write X-2.5 would be a good idea, even Last Mission suffered for it.

>>718198976
X-2 was kino and the series would be better off if they stuck closer to it
12 killed the series.

>>718194043 (OP)
Bravely Sword will restore JRPGs to their former glory.

>>718199102
As a FF fan who loves FF1, I feel quite a deep hatred that FF7 has stolen what should be FF1's spot as the crossover glutton.

>>718196264
>multiple masterpieces
Name one

>LE 4 N-WORDS IN A ROWWWWW
holy fucking reddit

>>718199818
Um... Uh... I can't! Please forgive me Turn-Based-sama!

>>718199818
Sekiro is the obvious one
also Stranger of Paradise, which happens to be a final fantasy

>>718195576
And the dungeons were so bad but at least they were short compared to FF12's which were so long and tedious that the remaster came with a fast forwarding feature.

>>718195981
no no reddirbthed sucks it suck oh my gopd nooooop

>>718200380
to be fair literally every jrpg ever made even well paced ones benefit from fast forward

>>718197040
will never get answers because they just say things but can't explain it because they don't even understand it.

>>718196076
You're advocating for pokemon combat.

>>718196310
Why are you even this this thread when it's so obvious you don't know what you're talking about and have never played the game either? There isn't a single Rpg in existence right now that has better combat than FF7 Rebirth's and that is a fact.

>>718200715
Or they think its bad based on some nonsense set of rules they've created because they're a shmupfag

No Character switching and no focus on being an Action-RPG was what doomed FFXVI.

the DMC-like Battle System didn't help.

>>718194043 (OP)
Yes. I loved E33 and that felt like what I thought FF would be like in current gen all those years ago.

>>718201043
You are giving away the goose too easily anon. The bait is too plain to see.

>>718201087
What game has better combat than FF7 Rebirth?

>>718201241
Super Mario Bros. and Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden.

>>718201087
>>718201241
A year later and people are still finding tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB6cXaT_W_0

>>718201362
Wow! Still finding tech one whole year later! Such depth!

>>718201043
Lol

>>718197115
Dont worry, FFXVII will have a gay protag just like your gay SMTV

>>718201287
>>718201430
>>718201505
Such in-depth arguments. Totally not a bunch of low IQ 3rd brown worlders I'm sure.

>>718201287
>>718201430
>>718201505
Such in-depth arguments. Totally not a bunch of brown low IQ 3rd worlders I'm sure.

>>718196015
FFXIV successor is going to be a Genshin wannabe. The truth is that shit like Wuwa has been killing FFXIV and rendering the game irrelevant. All the hype moments which made FFXIV memorable can now be found easily in Wuwa.

Give us a turn-based game with the Amano shaders before he croaks.

>>718194043 (OP)
FF17 is being headed by Takatsugu Nakazawa in CS2 with Nozue as creative director on the new Luminous engine by Aramaki (new engine name pending, its an enhanced version of luminous engine headed by the lead programmer of luminous engjne)

>>718194386
14 makes no profit according to the latest financial report

>>718202606
Now all they need is a competent scenario writer and a director who isn't a fucking old fart with arthritic hands

>>718201241
FF7 Remake/Rebirth combat is basically Kingdom Hearts combat except more gamey and with steps to slow down the tempo. Kingdom Hearts 2 combat remains the GOAT even after all these years.

>>718197934
ff15 was the biggest launch in FF franchise history, beating 7 and 8 and 10s launch and is still the fastest selling FF to date

ff9 did low on ps1,
by 2018 ff9 had only sold 6m, it then gained 2.9m sales from 2018 to now through switch/ios/steam version sales

>>718202770
I only played KH1 and thought it was horrible outside of a few story moments. Is KH2 worth it?

>>718202667
ffxv requires more buttons to do anything than any other ff
ff7r is press nothing to win

>>718202606
The entire Luminous Studios got scrapped and merged with other studios bro.

>>718194043 (OP)
The time has come for something truly innovative.
The 17 niggas in a row JRPG.

>>718202846
KH2 is the opposite of KH1, the story is bad but the gameplay is amazing.

>>718194043 (OP)
a return to sprite based overworld/dungeon crawling will save the core audience not the cosplayer troon wannabe x western franchise shenanigans that's been infecting the series for the last several decades. it shud cater to shut in a dark room autists with too much time on their hands.

>>718202902
Hi Barry

>>718202912
No it didnt, Aramaki was promoted to head of SEs new Engine Development Division following luminous staff being reabsorbed as regular SE
He statsd at CEDEC 2024 he is director of SEs in house engine and in feb 2025 images of the engine show it is luminous engine which they're still doing active development for

the engine development division exists as its entire division that has unilateral input in every creative studio, they created a documentation tool for the engine in feb 2025 to assist in the engines rollout through out the company proper

>>718197980
>he needs to comeback

>>718194043 (OP)
>another concern trolling thread about FF
holy shit, give it up

>>718203114
Notice how that didn't kill the enemy and noctis took a bunch of damage and that's a full 5 man end game party and its still ineffective against a literal weak grunt enemy

ff7r is press nothing to win
hell ff7r hard mode is hold 1 button to win

>>718195709
>plains full of nothing
>derelict empty cities
>no NPCs, just quest markers and save point shops
>no story progress happens until you leave to go back to where you came from
I've played gachas with more compelling settings.

>>718202803
FF15 is still shit regardless.

>>718203114
requires more input than this

>>718202803
>ff15 was the biggest launch in FF franchise history
Yeah we all know why

>>718203315
Then why is it beloved more than slop like ff7r and ff16 or ff14

>>718203276
FF7R by CC2 was cancelled
FF7R canon tifa chapter cancelled
FF7R ps4 dlc cancelled
FF7R first soldier cancelled
FF7R gbike cancelled

>>718203429
>twitter surveys are shit, everybody know this

obviously you havent played it

>>718203429
>made people cry the most

KEK

13 has the best art style, graphics and music out of any entry in the franchise. Your opinion is automatically moot if you disagree because you just have shit taste.

>>718203368
nobody who bought xv has ever heard of versus xiii
xv sold based on its own merits and it showing the actual game in the 2 years lead up to release, with constant behind the scenes looks and open dev communication with fans and multiple gameplay demos to play and gameplay videos to watch of the game legit

xv then kept selling
xv is also the highest selling FF on steam despite that releasing over a year after its console version

keep crying retard

>>718203368
>on rails open world
>stoopid offscreen love story
>weak 3rd act, lame final boss
>FUCK YOU ENDING

>>718203580
YWNBAM

>>718203498
It wasn't a twitter survey idiot

>>718203548
yeah it's called having emotional impact and is things that games people love feel strong emotional attachment towards enough to cry

xv is also higher rated than ff16 and ff7 rebirth on steam

>>718203429
So Dragon Quest 11 is more beloved than FF15?

>>718203746
XV made people cry when they realized how much money they wasted

>>718194386
>A bunch of bros on a car trip sounds comfy as hell in concept

ends up being a gay as fuck selfie slop more concerned with boring activites like fishing, eating, fee fees

>>718203638
every ff is a corridor
ffxv isn't a love story
it has a stronger final act than any ff and the only main villain fans have actively begged SE to let them play as to the point he got his own playable prequel story solely due to fan demand
literally one of the most beloved endings in all of FF, it was just rated as being top 10 for RPG overall

>>718203746
I cried when I realized it was pile of doo doo
mwahahahahahaha

>>718203429
>Tales of Legendia
lol

>>718203856
stop trying to gaslight the goys kike

>>718203646
>2011 cg which Nomura changed in 2013
>2007 cg which Nomura deleted by 2011
>2006 cg which Nomura deleted by 2011
>2011 stella in game cutscene which Nomura deleted in 2012 and said would be replaced by a prerendered CG scene instead
>early gameplay doing stuff exactly the same way you can do them in the final game against the same exact fucking enemies too

are Nomura fantards just retarded on purpose?

>>718194386
>A bunch of bros on a car trip sounds comfy as hell in concept.
You play Final Fantasy for 'comfy' slice of life shit?

>>718194043 (OP)
Yes, but square will insufferably try to make it more actiony than need be, and insert all the other annoying modern AAA bullshit like ubitowers, QTEs, double digit minute long scenes, etc
I have lost all faith in square being able to do the right thing
>>718195425
A year and a half later and they still won't release rebirth's sales
I wonder what could've been, but we'll never get another chance, so I'll just kick back and enjoy how miserably th 7REEE project is failing
Also, who the fuck thought a poor man's DMC meets a poor man's GoT was a good idea? that just oozes LCD bullshit, and makes me wonder how many more failures until they stop listening to dumbass consultants and quit trusting their gut instincts, because neither are working for them

>>718203746
>xv is also higher rated than ff16 and ff7 rebirth on steam
It's very funny when you prop up FF15 over FF16 pointing out that it's rated higher (4%) and conveniently leave out FF7 Remake being 5% higher than FF15.

>>718194386
>14 makes too much to make a new mmo

11 was their most successful game ever, and was still making them bank when they made 14. It’s insane because they destroyed 11 when they made 14 in order to make people move over. Then it was such a flop they had to do ARR. SE is fucking retarded when it comes to MMOs

>>718203981
Nomura and his simps need to be chucked into an oven

>>718203661
Why does nobody like versus or 7r while everyone likes xv?

No. Square Enix has not had a properly paced final fantasy game since X, believe it or not it is part of what helped make the series popular. It's the "magic" that has gone missing

>>718203116
>directed forspoken
being fired is the absolute least thing that should've happened. ideally he'd be executed or at the very least homeless and starving

>>718194043 (OP)
Make it five

>>718203353
its like SE pulled mentally damaged bums of the street to playtest this. casualization really is the bane of gaming

>>718203823
DQ is more beloved than FF in japan in general

>>718203827
Here's what fans said praising the game so much its in 10th place for RPGs overall that made people cry due to emotional attachment

>The moment the ending ended and the title screen appeared, I burst into tears.

>・After playing it, I cried every time I saw the sunrise.

> The interactions with my teammates feel truly "alive" and they feel like real friends.

>-In a world where there are many stories about people going against their destiny, I was moved by the way the protagonist accepted his destiny and mission and fulfilled it.

>- Taking photos, camping...the many detours made it feel more like a real journey than a game.

>- The photo mode is really good, and when I looked back at the photos, memories of my trip came back to me, and the memories of traveling through this world stayed with me

>>718204090
>more people wanted Versus XIII than they voted on FFXV
nice self own.

>>718203843
notice how the only ones butthurt about xv are retards who've never had friends and tranoids

>>718204171
He's being forgotten making shit mobile games under a rock with Hackaguchi and soon Fraudjima

>>718203856
>every ff is a corridor
stopped reading there, kys disingenuous faggot

Everyone in this thread knows damn well SE is in free fall and that FF7 remake was their fallback for when shit was getting tough. Now its really fucked so chances are they scrapped the FFIX remake for a FFX one since that was next biggest entry that would be a safe bet. Any of the original 6 are gambles bringing them to full 3D status so it makes sense they're going to go for an almost guaranteed profit, not a risky bet.

>>718203893
But enough about ff7r being so shit you cried

>>718203823
yea? obviously
dq11 is good, ff15 is dogshit

>>718204218
>simping hard and baring his feels for a crappy game

>>718204001
the things ff7 is most praised for is the party vibing, not fighting shinra goons

>>718204014
ff7 rebirth and ff16 are both rated lower than ffxv on steam

xv sold more than ff7 remake and ff7 rebirth combined

>>718204326
havent played FF7R. but i'll have some wipes on hand just in case

>>718204285
Square could not survive the move to HD console standards. They coasted on blasting out a new entry every year where they could throw anything at the wall with minimal effort and investment, but that strategy does not scale and they got left behind at the 7th gen.

They will not let go of the notion that FF is a AAAA franchise and must compete with The Witcher, CoD and GTA, but at the same time they do not have the ability to match those games in scope or polish.

>>718204381
>fans typically say the game slows heavily after midgar for awhile
>when the party is on a "road trip"
I mean, the party vibes are there but the Midgar is 90% quality stuff and is purely shrina shenanigans. The escape is easily one of the top 3 parts of the game.

>>718204428
>leaving out Remake
Again, never stops being funny

>>718204171
forspoken is universally praised for its gameplay systems and parkour

the writing is what is criticised

even graphically forspoken mogs ff7 rebirth and ff16 and took less time to make than either

>>718204458
>The Witcher, CoD and GTA

these games are turds anon

No, because it'll still have retarded Japanese dialogue and anime grunts.

>>718204458
I'm not defending modern SE by any stretch of the imagination but this is not even close to being the reason why they're so shit now

>>718204249
That is a vote after the game released you retard, after they had played XV

are you incapable of reading dates?

>>718204323
>they just reskinned the Deus Ex 3 that was in development before they sold Eidos

>>718204283
world maps in older ffs are just glorified menu screens, not you actually exploring anything and you can't do anything on them
the only time anything actually happens is in bespoke areas which are all literally linearly designed

>>718204627
I don't get why they cancelled Deus Ex 3 and sold Eidos.

The games were great and sold well enough to be profitable. In a post Cyberpunk 2077, they could've had a real competitor to CDPR.

>>718204337
then why did ffxv outsell dq11

why did se say xv exceeded sales expectations while they never said that for dq11?

>>718204571
Yes so more people were hyped for Versus XIII than they were happy with the final result

>>718195709
>I LOVE THE CALM LANDS WITH EVEN LESS TO DO IN THEM
Shut up faggot XIII is and always was abysmal dogshit.
>inb4 you claim the MMO hunt quests which XII did infinitely better is”good content”

>>718204090
7 Remakes are loved by real FF chads, 15 isnt bad but most of it's fans have only played that FF game, it's for casuls and fujoshis

>>718204686
They were betting everything on NFT
Either supreme retardation or shorting their own stock for shenanigans

>>718204271
>anon thinks abt trannies 24/7 365 days...

Which final fantasy is best for girls to play?

>>718204271
Barry you got caught red handed watching tranny porn

>>718204478
the most famous moments in ff7 are aeriths death, sephiroth fight, Zacks death (which wasn't even in the original Japanese launch version of ff7 which is the version 90% of Japanese people played)

that is why crisis core is really popular in japan because most Japanese people play launch ff7 not international ff7 that added his death cutscene
so most people in japan first exposure to seeing zack death play out on screen is in crisis core not the ps1 version

while ff7 international was used as the western release of ff7 so all western people saw ff7s version of zacks death on ps1

Expedition 33 was better received than any final fantasy in the past decade because it had shit old final fantasy games had and modern ones lacked
-pacing
-a world map
-a decent amount of late game side quests
-Actual party members you can change between
-memorable music

I think the villain is weak in e33 and I don't like the writing by act 3 but I see why it was successful and people enjoy it. There are so many jrpgs these days afraid of convention that when a developer that grew up playing these games decides to finally make one with the conventions they enjoyed its no shock that people also like it

If they want an action combat system so bad why did they never just reuse the perfect one they already made?

>>718204503
ff7 rebirth is supposed to be an improvement over ff7r yet its lower rated than ffxv

>>718204856
YWNBAM

>>718202226
If they make an action rpg FF mmo it might unironically print money. It entirely depends on how they do or do not fuck up the execution.

>>718204930
saaaar

>>718198351
But I don't care about their weird hybrid. I just want an action game or a turn-based game.

>>718204940
its a sad state of affairs that a frog hack job of different Nip RPGS is praised so highly.

>>718204967
FFXV Royal was supposed to be an improvement over FFXV yet it got lower scores than FF12.

>>718194043 (OP)
how about just make a good fucking game like they used to?
the writing is the main offender of why modern ff is so shit.

>>718194262
13 was pretty good honestly, yeah it was linear as fuck but it was beautiful and the gameplay was pretty good once you got into it. The story beats were not bad at all.

>>718205101
Yeah, but realistically it's because every other series has massively shit the bed

Persona- enjoy waiting a decade for p6 lmfao
Trails- games are long and retarded with every other game now being a filler game with no fucking plot progression
Final Fantasy- longer games with worse pacing and worse writing
Tales of- always hit or miss and always too long


The state of affairs we find ourselves in is Toby fox's wip being praised to high heaven and a painfully 6/10 rpg with proper conventions being left to carry the genre, because every other mainline jrpg series is so abysmal its unreal

>>718204738
What's it like being retarded? the highest view ffxv trailer when ffxv released was the tgs 2014 ffxv trailer which showcases the roadtrip, it had 4 million views by 2016
the 2011 versus 13 trailer had only 1 million views by 2013 when ffxv was revealed and the ffxv trailers had more views than that versus one

its only after release after kh3 recreated scenes from versus trailers that it generated new views for that trailer

ffxv hype sold on its own merits
nobody has ever heard of versus 13

btw expedition 33 and lost soul aside were influenced by ffxv, not versus

>>718204727
Kys salesfag. let me guess, Taylor swift is the greatest musician alive in your opinion?

>>718204750
every ff is for fujoshi
its a fujo series

the ff7 house proves ff7 is the posterboy of fujos

>>718204750
remake is hated by real FF gigachads
rebirth is loved by real FF gigachads

>>718195981
I just couldn’t handle the amount of open world filler. I get they had to pad the game out to fill a trilogy but goddamn, just no.

>>718204810
>>718204858
what did i tell ya

>>718204858
every accusation is a confession from you yoshitpisstroons

>>718205101
>frog hack job
you didn't play it

>>718204337
It does seem that DQ11's user reception is a lot more positive. I think once I'm done with the games I'm playing I'll pick it up.

>>718205043
>>718205074
>>718205180
the xvipajeet has logged on

>>718205183
xv outsold ff12

VII won.

>>718205282
>nobody has ever heard of versus 13
sure alright. and nobody cried at FFXV.

>>718205289
according to her billions of fans yes
do you not know how popular things and sales work? people buy things due to them perceiving them to be of a quality they they find desirable and acceptable

>>718205508
ffxv made top 10 for RPGs that made people cry due to emotional attachment
keep coping
https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1956322788664647685?t=eQMN5AMpk4DDHfQAm08i5A&s=19

ff7r didn't even rank

also why lie? you can find countless videos of people crying at the end of xv

>>718205749
>faggy performative crying by some eceleb cuck and a fujo
fucking kek

X-2was the last time ff combat felt good and unique while still feeling like a main line game. To me anyway
12 was different. I enjoyed it but its very meh as a ff game.hated 13s combat and the stagger bar crap. Everything after that has been a pure abortion though.

>>718205470
>xv outsold ff12
a PS4 game in a franchise sold more than a PS2 game? Holy fuck!!!!

>>718205505
just so you know those numbers are mostly fake

SE just said a few months ago FF7 lifetime sales is 15.1m
Whoever made that chart is bullshitting and counted 6m SNES classic sales as being FF6 sales and counted the free trial accounts for ff14 as being sales too

ff10 also was stated to have sold 8.5m on ps2 bt 2013, and the hd port which is x and x-2 combined sold about 5.5m which puts ff10 at about 14m sales not 9.5

ff6 has only sold around 5m, same as ff4

SE just a few months ago updated ff9s sales as being 8.9m now as of 2025
ff15 was 10m in may 2022, its sales trajectory would put it around 12m by now

>>718205871
No seriously can you believe it? A PS4 game in a franchise selling more than the PS2 game? It's unheard of!

>>718205945
>>718205505
>data source: eldi13 Deviant Art
eldi13, you lying fanboy fuck.

>>718205840
FF15 outsold ff7r and more people cried at its ending because they were emotionally attached to it

keep seething retard
Maximilian dood even started tearing up again just from the ignis dlc he played after he beat xv too

even aerith va livestreaming it did too at the ending

i will never not be mad about them turning the Gi tribe to aliens who made the black materia because they can't return to the lifestream when they die, seriously fuck everything about rebirth the second you get the buggy and the entire second half of the game

>>718206019
I don't think I can believe it to be honest.

>>718195981
there's a good game buried somewhere in Rebirth. if you like the checklist style open world design, you're probably not a FF fan though.

>>718205749
If nobody was hyped for versus, then nobody cried at FFXV. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

>>718205871
>>718206019
ff13 outsold ff12
ff8 outsold ff12
ff7 outsold ff12
ff15 outsold ff12
ff9 outsold ff12
ff10 outsold ff12

ff10-2 outsold ff12

>>718206179
ff15 outsold ff7r

>>718206179
A PS4 game outselling a PS2 game, they said it could not be done.

>>718206237
Unlike you we have actual quantifiable proof that people cried to XV in both video format and polls asking what rpg you cried to the most

there is no proof anyone who bought xv did so expecting it to be versus, as if they were absent from the internet for 4 fucking years yet somehow only saw a trailer uploaded to the Japanese square enix youtube account and nothing else until ffxv released

why would they even buy ffxv? it's not called versus xiii you idiot
by your own logic lightning returns ff13 flopped because it had "xiii" in its title like versus xiii did" so versus was so bad it caused the latest xiii game to flop

>>718206152
>salesfag also relies on the metric of what made more people cry
let me guess, the titanic is the saddest piece of media ever created?
>Maximilian dood
fuck off zoomie nobody knows who your faggot eceleb is

>>718206152
>Maximilian dood even started tearing up again just from the ignis dlc he played after he beat xv too


Max is gigantic faggot

>>718206371
wanna explain why ff7, 8, 9, 10, 10-2, 13, 15 and 7r all outsold ff12

ps3 sold worse than ps2 yet ff13 still outsold ff12 on just its ps3 sales alone

>>718205589
>Taylor Swift

industry plant

>>718206493
titanic is widely considered an emotionally impactful movie yes

Maximilian dood was literally hired by SE to shill ff16, the ff7r dev team told him in person they watch his videos to keep motivated
he's the biggest youtuber engaging in final fantasy content to the point his fucking ff7r reactions have more views than the trailer itself
you cant be this fucking retarded

>>718206528
Max loves ff7 rebirth and ff7
he didn't like ff16 and said itd be a 6/10 now

we need to retvrn

>>718206574
wanna explain to me why FF15 has a lower user score than FF12

>>718206925
wanna exlain how ff12 with its 7.5 userscore is better than ff15 with its 8.5 userscore

>>718206925
if ff12 is so good whyd it sell worse than every AAA mainline ff until ff16

>>718206779
Max is still a fag

>>718206735
do I look like a zoomer subhuman to you?

>>718194043 (OP)
>Will four niggas in a row actually save Final Fantasy in their future games?
No.
Take the overall story of any of the past several Final Fantasy games and simply replace the combat with classic FF combat, and it still has largely the same problems (minus 16's problem of having zero party control, which 15 originally had the same problem until the DLCs).

There's a much deeper issue with FF games currently than what combat is used. I think a lot of the magic was lost with the absence of Sakaguchi. While nobody currently at Square is a full-on Uematsu, they still have a lot of good composers who are good enough to where music should typically be pretty good.

>>718206735
>Max is a confirmed shill with paid for opinions

>>718207301
you were literally not even old enough to post on 4chan when ffxv released so yes

>>718207269
Sounds like you're mad that ff7 devs know who he is yet will never acknowledge your existence

>>718194043 (OP)
Nothing will save FF.
People don't want to acklowedge this, but all decline began with FFX- when Sakaguchi stopped being nearly as involved with the games. FFX was already a preview for what XII and XIII would bring, but then his ultimate leaving basically sealed the state of FF.
The Sak was the sole reason FF games were always individual stories for one thing. He leaves, Square immediately needs money, so what happens? Fucking X-2. Compilation of VII. IV: The After Years & Interlude. Fabula Nova Crystallis.
Final Fantasy is no longer a franchise, it is many franchises. No longer is this cute stuff like "Oh, Final Fantasy 8 is probably in the same world as 3, isn't that neat" or "Final Fantasy 5 has a cool anime thing", instead it is direct "This is more of that past thing".

The four biggest projects talked about for Final Fantasy today really show why this is a complete shitshow:
>Final Fantasy VI Remake
>Final Fantasy VII Remake (Sequel) Part 3
>Final Fantasy IX Remake
>Final Fantasy X-3 OR X Remake
The series is done. Nobody will ever give a shit about the new games since every single one since X has been written by people who could not conceive of human emotions or struggle even with several lifetimes in their itinerary, and the combat system was never the issue. It was a symptom of SE's greater confusion over why people don't give a shit about FF anymore. Changing the combat system back will just lead to spergs deluding themselves into thinking "THIS WILL BE THE ONE!", like when XV showed off its "Roadtrip Vibes" or when XVI talked about how it had the DMC5 combat director. It's all noise distracting from the core that does not exist anymore.

>>718205408
>It does seem that DQ11's user reception is a lot more positive
You will very quickly find out that the majority of fans of that game never actually finished it.

>>718207338
max was hired to shill ff16 at its fucking launch event and literally paid to stream it, then after he beat ff16 he said he liked ff15 better, and said he'd give ff16 an 8/10, then a year later in 2024 dropped his score of ff16 to a 6/10

>>718207396
sori i'm not the simp trying to sell people on your gay eceleb.

>>718207491
lmao. that make this eceleb faggot even more untrustworthy

>>718207408
XV was the last time FF mattered, yoshitpiss killed it with his mmo slop and ff16 tarnishing the brand name

>>718194159
MMO is a shit genre. Only total retards play them. Same with gacha games. MMO mindset started with ff11 affecting ff12 making it boring as fuck and the same thing happened with ff14 affecting ff16 making it boring as fuck.

>>718207545
>omg this guy has paid opinions he's untrustworthy
>omg this guy shitting on a game he was paid to shill is untrustworthy

pick a lane retard

>>718194043 (OP)
Ff7 remake and rebirth build on the kingdom hearts foundations of action and atb fused together and honestly it’s really good. I wish all FF17 has the exact same combat as ff7r

>>718207556
>XV was the last time FF mattered
Maybe if the idea of mattering means embarrassing yourself on the world stage.
Nobody cares about XV. Or XVI. Or XI. Or XII. Or XIII. Or Type-0. Or VIIR. Or WoFF. People already stopped caring about XIV after several years of not caring about it followed by brief interest because the only other major MMORPG had a public suicide.
FF is in such a dire state that nobody really gave a shit about the pixel remasters despite the significance and importance of IV and VI. Nobody cares that VII, VIII, and IX are on modern platforms. Nobody cared about Crisis Core getting remastered. Hell, nobody cares that the franchise basically doesn't exist in KH anymore.
Nobody cares about Final Fantasy because it died 25 years ago.

>>718207492
aren't you the seamonkey gook ff14 tranoid yoshitpiss cum guzzling faggot?

>>718204175
Yeah.

>>718194043 (OP)
ff has been shit since 13 and there is no change in sight, it only gets worse

why the hell do all of you know so god damn much about these various e-celebs?
99% of what I know about them is from /v/, and none of it useful

>>718205749
most of these bitches never even touched an FF game. lmao Croc tears for views. jeezus fucking christ

>>718207556
nta, but FF15 killed Final Fantasy.
to the point that they weren't even allowed to finish the DLCs, and they canned the luminous engine and dumped all its former devs into anotehr unit to no longer lead anything.

>>718207719
>tranny obsessed anon loses his shit

>>718207653
>he changed opinions once the money stopped coming


try and keep up faggot

>>718197001
To impersonate Jack like that is abominable.

>>718207690
XV sold better than any ff at launch ever, ffxv is higher rated than ff16 and higher rated than ff7 rebirth on steam

ff14 embarrassed itself on the world stage when dawntrail lost to fucking forspoken

xv and ff7 are the two most popular ff on tiktok
ffxv memes and posts constantly go viral on twitter and tiktok
ff15 is the best selling ff on steam
ff15 gameplay vids made by fans on youtube the only ones still able to crack 1mil views in 2024 onward

nobody is making meme videos about any other ff that has even close to this much traction as ffxv meme vids

>HOW TO SAVE FINAL FANTASY
>Look at FFXV
>Don't do that again

simple.

>>718207854
yes they have what are you even talking about
you can literally find their playthroughs of other ff games

also why would they fake cry you retard

>>718207924
It's a known schizo who's obsessed with FF15. No use using logic with them, they honest-to-god deluded themselves into thinking FF15 was overall successful even with it being the only mainline FF that ever went unfinished in the end.

>>718204458
That's a harsh opinion, but I can understand it. I agree with you up to a point. X (despite X being easy) is one of favorite games and X-2 definitely has great gameplay in spite of an anime story and shitting on Tidus. Past those...I tried 13 and quit after like 10 minutes. The new ones besides FF7 remakes just didn't seem like the old ones from what I saw. I could argue the ff7 remakes have decent aspects, but I know some people just dont care to hear it. I'll say they're better than CoD by a mile though, and GTA lost its luster awhile ago as well.
>>718204930
>Zack's death
>a completely optional part of the game
I doubt that's a top three moment. The other two, sure. But leaving Midgar is when the training wheels come off, literally. Cloud drives a motorcycle after busting up the shrina building, showing you just how much a badass he can be. No way Zack's death is more memorable.

>>718207924
nah ff15 saved ff, its universally beloved and constantly ranking high by fans
https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1956322788664647685?t=XxuF71dfs4zJo0tOoHSQow&s=19

xv got all its canon dlc released in 2017
the only thing cancelled was a bonus round of non canon alternate timeline dlc that was never even initially planned and only got greenlit in 2018
and then only was cancelled because tabata left SE in September 2018 before any work beyond script on the 3 non canon dlc had even started, episode ardyn was only even getting made due to fan demand

the luminous staff literally got promoted and the lead luminous guy Aramaki is now head of the new engine developmrnt division and in charge of SE's in house engine which is Luminous engine
he's literally the head of the entire engine division and in feb 2025 confirmed they're still doing it with luminous engine

keep up

FF needs another series reset like FF9. Something safe that stops trying to be subversive and embraces the roots of the series.

See at least this Barry imitator is somewhat decent at aping his insanity.

>>718207930
says the xivtard
isnt this your god?

>>718208071
SE has continued to pay him to shill their games even after ff16 released you retard even after he said he liked ff15 better and that ff16 is a 6/10

>>718208280
Yep, I see what you mean now.
They're straight up delusional. Thx for the heads up

>718208447

>>718201083
E33 is too barren to be on mainline FF level. It almost have no NPCs or even sentient enemy aside from Renoir.

>>718208513
isnt there a remake of FF9 in the pipe? would rather see a new game done in a similar style though

>>718208229
They want to save FF not make FF flop
As soon as they stopped doing XV stuff FF flopped
FF only succeeded when doing FFXV

Final Fantasy will die before Barry does.

mtg making bank showed FF still has potential.
Too bad SE is the most retarded game company out there, so they wont capitalize on it.

Why even bother trying to discuss this fucking series on here when 90% of the time the person replying to you is a schizo obsessed with specific games.

>>718194386
>14 makes way too much money for them to make another MMO to compete with it.
MADE money. Dawntrail has been a massive bloodletting because of how crap everything was. The story sucked and everything in post patches is a markedly worse version of something that was already in the game in the past (Cosmic Exploration is a worse Firmament, Occult Crescent is worse than both Eureka and Bozja.) Chaotic raids are dead content. Forked Tower is Discord only, essentially. The only thing that improved was fight design, which is sorely welcome, but all the jobs are pretty mindless, and most of the player base complains it's too hard still.

I'd actually appreciate if they start wrapping it up.

>>718208447
anon... you can't be this stupid, you're obviously trolling kek

>>718208280
>>718208607
Kitase and Sakaguchi said FF8 is unfinished
Uematsu said every Final Fantasy he was main composer on is unfinished
FFXV is objectively the most successful FF
XV has an ending unlike ff16 or ff7r which are literally unfinished

>>718208607
What's the delusion you retard? you're being shown facts and reality while you are deluding yourself and pretending it's not true

>>718208280
ff16 is more unfinished than base xv

>no party
>no dungeons
>no cities
>no elemental affinities
>no status effects
>less rpg stats than any ff ever
>no exploration
>no minigames
>no backstory for 90% of characters
>characters never talk about practically anything that occured offscreen, so it dilutes the story even moreso
>unexplained events constantly
>most events occur offscreen
>cut content with party and leviathan and environments
>stuff just happens for no reason like the events were taped toghther with ductape
>no day night cycle
>no dynamic real time lighting
>no dynamic clouds
>no volumetrics
>no dynamic weather system
>no "party" interaction
>no weapon switching
>no manual finishers
>no directional inputs
>cannot jump on anything in environment
>chocobos cannot swim
>no environmental interaction
>no pilotable vehicles
>720p on PS5, not even XV hits that low on PS4

FF16 is more unfinished than XV

>718208763
top kek

>>718208823
nta, but a game not being feature rich is very different than being unfinished. ff16 is bad but completed
ff15 was stopped with the dlcs and remains unfinished

>>718208280
7R literally has no fucking ending
xv ended its story at launch so 7r story is literally unfinished while xv story fully wrapped up at launch
7r characters have literally no character arc or development while all main characters in xv go through a complete character arc and development by the end of the game, so 7Rs characters are literally unfinished while xvs are complete

7r has 2d jpg backgrounds in every fucking area which are all corridors and no optional areas or optional dungeons
xv has fully 3d rendered environment that you can fully explore and multiple optional areas and optional dungeons which all have better level design than any corridor shitfest in 7r so 7r world and level design is unfinished compared to xv
noct alone has more combat actions and abilities than the entire party in 7r so 7r gameplay is unfinished compared to xv

7r has fully baked static lighting in corridors with 2d jpg backgrounds while xv has fully dynamic real time global illumination lighting with dynamic weather and day night in a mostly open world so 7Rs graphics are literally unfinished compared to xv

literally everything in 7R is fucking unfinished while everything in xv is complete and finished and at much higher quality than dogshit 7R

Reminder that he spent almost an entire year manually creating between 3000-6000 different Metacritic accounts so that he could increase XV's score and decrease XVI's score, and the only reason anyone found out is because he kept bragging about it and periodically updating us about it.

>>718208656
well yoshitpiss killed ff so true

>>718194386
>A bunch of bros on a car trip sounds comfy as hell in concept.
It is untill you get to chapter 13. But everything before that is solid.

>>718208280
kek you really pissed him off with this, he's replied multiple times to this single post
he obviously deep down knows it's true or else he wouldn't have gotten that triggered

>>718208185
You are Chinese

>>718208738
Explain in detail

>>718209031
that's a solid troll follow-up and I appreciate the hustle

>>718194385
They fucked that one up by changing the way the turn system works. The first two Bravely games used a more traditional style of turn based combat, where you select actions at the start of a turn and watch it play out. The Default command took precedence over all actions, and there were abilities that go at the start of a turn, or at the end of a turn in exchange for higher power. BD2 has character turns come up individually. And also the counters that bosses had, completely punishing certain strats/jobs.

>>718208830
nice non argument

>>718208891
by this logic ff13 is unfinished because its dlc was cancelled
ff7r is unfinished because the ps4 dlc was cancelled
ff16 is unfinished because its cid and jill dlc were cancelled and playable joshua and dion was cancelled

all canon xv dlc released in 2017, its dlc was supposed to end there, but it was so successful a 2nd round got greenlit due to fan demand so in 2018 they decided to do a non canon alternate timeline batch of dlc but that got cancelled before they even started making it
it has nothing to do with fucking anything

ff7r first soldier getting cancelled has more to do with ff7r stuff getting cancelled than that did

>>718208938
Why did ff16 flop do hard
Why did thousands of 10 spam scores for ff16 get deleted?

>>718208823
do... do you not know what people mean when they say a game feels unfinished?

top kek
how hold is this schizo currently? he's been doing this for literal years

>>718209209
>by this logic ff13 is unfinished
if you throw out logic you mean. the 3rd game was the literal ending.
15 is the literal only mainline FF that remains unfinished

>>718209003
uh oh melty

>>718209093
So not even going to say anything to the fact that in 2024 Aramaki said he's directing SEs in house game engine after being the luminous director for years and also in feb 2025 confirmed the engine is luminous engine that they're still using

>>718194043 (OP)
Co-develop with Sandfall Interactive

its going to be the dark souls of Final Fantasy
Just play DQ if you want 4 niggas

>>718209358
I know, right? dude's been having a melty over that post he replied 3 or 4 times to it
and he's STILL going off on that subject he's so upset
he really wants to convince people that XV was successful so badly

>>718209287
FF16, ff7r, kh3, ff13 unfinished games

non canon alternate timeline bonus round dlc getting cancelled 2 years after xv released has nothing to do with anything

>the second game in a trilogy is unfinished
How do I achieve this level of retardation?

>>718209463
nta, but FF15 is the only unfinished mainline Final Fantasy at the moment.
why it's unfinished is up for debate (I think it had more to do with the director honestly), but the only confirmed thing is that it's unfinished.
Square really should've let them close it out instead of sabatoging the project. I mean, they even let them reboot FF14. Why did they just let 15 fail end not just let them conclude the damn thing?

>>718209295
Yet here you are schizoing out for a decade+

>>718209345
ff13 was not planned to have sequels you idiot
13-2 had to retcon the events of ff13 just to take place
also ff13 literally has cancelled MAIN STORY dlc
the ff13 drama cd was also ff13 main story cut out and released as a drama cd because they ran out of time

ff15s ending is in the game at launch you stupid fuck, dotf was a NON CANON ALTERNATE TIMELINE how are you this fucking retarded?

>>718209441
SE said XV mogged every FF

>>718209587
>gets confused
>calls other retarded for his own confusion
wew lad

>>718208938
>check out the usernames for all the users in picrel
>all of their reviews gone
wew lad

>718209645
lol

>>718209540
ff7r is unfinished
ff7r2 is unfinished
ff7r 3 will be unfinished


>>718209578
xv finished at launch
are you fucking retarded?

by your own logic every ff is unfinished

>>718208938
Jesus christ
So this Barry guy is actually real? I thought it was jsut memeing

>>718209578

https://youtu.be/XSW6vE6zfdQ?t=1482
>The theme is an ALTERNATE grand finale, of course we're not trying to overwrite the existing ending, the ending for FFXV is THE ending for FFXV, but like we did with Episode Ignis we want to give players a choice to see a possible different outcome.

SE dev literally said base game ending for XV is THE ending.
Cope

XVI is unfinished and has no ending

>>718209463
Yeah I don't think you do.

>a bunch of autists spamming sales numbers and cherry picked clips at each other in service of literally nothing
I SURE FUCKING LOVE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES ON /V/

>>718209660
So ff13, ff7r, ff16 are the only actual unfinished FFs

>>718209712
...okay, you're obviously too emotional to be having a logical discussion about this, so we can return to this topic if you calm down later on for how FF15 is unfinished. I'm actually with you, I think it was good enough and they should've finished it and it's bullshit that Square left it hanging.
But if you're just going to call everyone retarded because you're mad about that fact, then you're not ready to actually discuss.

>>718209705
>>718209706
>>718209758
Why did ff16 flop
Larry having a melty

I can't believe Barry is spamming 1 minute posts because he got mad that people pointed out that FF15 was cut off before they were allowed to finish it. Watch him have a melty about it until bump limit now.

>>718208938
>the only reason anyone found out is because he kept bragging about it and periodically updating us about it.
kekkkkkkk
when will Tabata's sandwich be free from Crystal Stasis????

>>718209771
>reddit

if ff7r is so finished why would questions like these exist

>1 minute
>1 minute
>1 minute
>it's totally finished, it's every OTHER FF that is unfinished!
this is unhinged

>>718209771
literally nothing mentioned there indicates xv is unfinished and one of those posts is a straight up lie
the monster was designed internally at SE by hasegawa not picked from from some asset farm
xpec are a 3rd party contractor not an asset house, they assist as an extension of the team by helping make assets following internal SE guidelines and designs

ff16 is unfinished as listed here >>718208823

ff13 is unfinished as listed here >>718209587

ff7r is unfinished as listed here >>718208932


Meanwhile XV was finished at launch
even ff13 had more cut content which kitase said ff13 had enough cut content to make an entire other game

>>718209930
Why do you keep samefagging and pretending like you aren't the xvitard who review bombed xv anx forspoken the day after ff16 released on pc because ff16 userscores were lower than ff15 and forspoken?

btw even averaged out xv still mogs ff16 userscores

>>718209943
>who was spehiroth
Lmao. It's a testament to modern retardation, just like the retarded schizo losing his mind over one of the worst fucking entries of a series that used to mean something. It's sad this franchise now attracts the dumbest motherfuckers around.

>>718210004
yes ff7 is unfinished we know

>he's now attempting to say cut content = unfinished, rather than the one game that is actually unfinished is finished
jesus christ this is funny

>>718210234
sephiroth is never explained in ff7r
you're expected to knock him only by playing og ff7 and watching advent children and playing crisis core first

>>718207408
>combat system was never the issue
True. Combat in Final Fantasy complemented the storytelling, obviously there was some effort put into creating the various systems but FF combat was never something you'd care to play if it wasn't embedded into a compelling story.

>>718210267
So how is 15 unfinished then when it has a definitive ending while ff16 has no ending and ff7r has no ending

you don't even know what you mean by unfinished

hey, remember when FFXV took every magic spell and turned it into a magic grenade?

nah, it's not the gameplay thats the issue it's the setting
most of the ff games that sold well take place in a sci-fi/modern setting

Hold up. Does this guy think that when people say games feel unfinished they're talking about the game ends? That despite FFXV coming across as a rush job by anyone who plays it that this is not the case and the game is in fact "finished" because it doesn't happen to have story content that follows after the launch ending? Am I getting this all right?

>>718210401
Hey remember how ff16 has no magic system or magic stat at all and no elemental affinities and its pathetic excuse for magic is literally just a fucking reskinned gun from DMC?

FF16 has no elemental affinities
FF16 has no magic stat
FF16 has no magic cost
FF16 has no mp
FF16 has no ethers

FF16 has no magic

FF15 has elemental affinities
FF15 has magic stat
FF15 has elemental stats
FF15 has magic cost through elemancy pounts and MP
FF15 has ethers
FF15 has 4 different kinds of magic function from warp, phase, elemancy to ring, plus magic elemental weapons which convert all basic attacks into magic damage instead
plus ignis magic
plus comrades magic
plus ardyn magic
plus party techniques which use ATB to perform magic skills like ignis's sagefire tech or giving prompto elemental guns so bullets deal status effects and elemental magic damage and stack on his piercer tech
or armiger dealing magical damage too

meanwhile xvi has no fucking magic

>>718210450
>Hold up. Does this guy think
Yes. Yes he does.

>>718210330
Exactly. That retard started with a sequel.
>>718210421
This.

>>718210450
Anybody who says "this game feels unfinished" and what they mean is "there's less content than I expected" are absolute retards.

>>718210450
So how is it unfinished?
ff13 has no cities to explore so that makes it unfinished
ff16 has no party so that makes it unfinished

>>718210450
>schizo comes up with his own rules and definitions and expects everyone to agree with this shit he just made up
A /v/ classic.

>>718210382
People explained multiple times.
You refused to listen, called everyone retarded, then made illogical arguemtns why other FFs were unfinished solely because you were made people pointed out the fact that FF15 is the only unfinished mainline FF in the series.

>>718210482
You can't even decide what you mean by unfinished you stupid cunt

he's really going to do it
he's going to have a melty over FF15 being unfinished all the way to bump limit kek

>>718194159
MMOs were a mistake to gaming

>>718194043 (OP)
If the rumors are true that they hired the French to make it, then maybe.

>>718210575
So how is it unfinished then?

>>718210591
You've never explained anything even once you stupid cunt

How is it unfinished
according to you having cut content doesn't make a game unfinished so it can't be that

according to you a game having a conclusive ending to its story doesn't make it unfinished so it can't be that

according to you a game not having content you expected doesn't make it unfinished so it can't be that

You keep flip flopping because you stupud yoshitpiss tards can't even decide what you mean by unfinished because you know anything you decide on would apply to ff16 moreso

>>718210680
He does that everyday, this is nothing special.

>>718210754
>according to you
nope.

>>718210680
Is that why ff16 is unfinished while ff15 is finished

>>718210480
it's still a good game though

>>718194043 (OP)
I don't know about save but after P5 they should have stopped being such major faggots and at least mulled the idea over a bit instead of doing whatever the fuck yoship did

Does... does he think the only people who recognize that FF15 failed and is unfinished are yoshitpiss fans? The hell is this cope?

>>718210784
See there again you never even explained what you think, you're just throwing random shit hoping it sticks

Explain in great detail how is it unfinished, and especially how is it unfinished in a way that doesn't apply to ff7r, ff16, ff13, kh3 etc?

>>718210802
then why did ff16 flop and is lower rated than 15 on steam and psn

>>718210858
considering you are a yoshitpiss tard abd are the only ones regurgitating that cope specifically to combat any negative opinions against ff16 its clearly what you are doing you dumb seamonkey gook

>>718210859
nope, you made a lot of false assumptions about me because you keep flailing. you're obviously mixing everyone up because you're too mad about this.
now go back up and read the posts.
or keep melting down, I'll just let you have your last reply if you keep refusing to do that.

>>718210957
And there you go again you STILL are incapable of explaining how it's somehow unfinished while ff16 somehow isn't

>>718210858
People aren't joking when they say he's a schizo. He's honest-to-god too mentally unwell to recognize that there is more than one person having a similar viewpoint about one topic, and they may think different things on others.

>>718210940
i never said a word about how successful or well received it was you buckbroken faggot. I said it's a good game. the best game in the series isn't in the top 10 sellers.

>>718209758
He's real. He's been doing this since 2012 or so. I can't post the collage because he spam reports it, but evidence exists.

Already explained, and you again refused to reread the posts.
I'll go ahead and take this as you conceding you can't refute the points and move along.

>>718211006
Where's your argument schizo? you're literally a ff14 shill proving my point

>>718211064
You replied to the wrong post.

>>718211010
its worse than 15 in fan reception and sales so no

>>718211034
xivfag self reporting once again

>>718211051
Where? Explain it if its so simple, link the post you explained it in

What point did you make? This should take you 2 seconds to link the post

>>718211117
No we know you're from Dreamboums xivfag discord

>>718210775
Maybe. I haven't seen someone get so mad about a post that they literally 1-minute rage post until bump, so it's new to me personally
Why is it so important to him that he needs to convince people that FF15 being unfinished is actually finished?

Do you think he'll eventually manage to figure out why the community collectively agrees that FF15 feels like the most unfinished FF through process of elimination?

>>718211253
Do you think that someone who has been doing the same exact thing for 15 years is going to just magically stop one day?

>>718211192
Oh. So it isn't that you technically replied to the wrong post, it's that you're actually a nutter.
My mistake.

why was ff16 purposely unfinished

>>718211252
Why are you so butthurt that ff16 is unfinished while ff15 is finished? you're still incapable of explaining how xv is somehow unfinished

>>718211280
He's been going that long? Now I feel bad.

>718211345
my dude, this literally reads like something my kid would say. "Nuh uh, my thing isn't X, this OTHER thing is X"!
this is childish. c'mon, I know you're a bit off, but surely you can behave a little bit more like an adult.

>>718211253
What community? 9 reddit posts that dont even explain anything while games like 7r and 16 are objectively more unfinished?

>>718211280
why are you discordfags always so desperate and incapable of substantiating a single fucking "argument" you try to make

>>718211285
>N-no we're just defending yoshitpiss and ff16 and ff14 for completely unrelated reasons while seething over xv, something predominantly only done by the yoshitpiss cultists who mald that it mogged xiv and xvi

>>718211486
I've done neither of those things, weirdo.

>>718211192
>adult
Lmao

>>718211438
Where's your argument? you STILL haven't linked the post explaining what you mean
Why are you yoshitpiss fags such pussies?

>>718211296
Because it's a AAA game made by a company that does nothing but chase trends, and the trend since 2006 is to make half of a game and then sell the rest of it to them again. Where the fuck have you been, retard?

>>718211551
what in the world are you talking about? i haven't talked about any of that

>>718211528
You did it just now

>>718211606
So now you're pretending you aren't saying xv is unfinished? Where's your argument?

>>718211608
Where?

>>718211651
The fact you're adversarial against me calling out your bullshit is admission enough that you're a yoshitpiss fag doing it because you're a buttblasted yoshitpiss fag

>>718211647
i said you're talking like a child. That was the entire gist.
So you can learn from your mistake here, or you can keep throwing a temper tantrum. I have my guess what route you'll choose, but I can at least hope I'm incorrect and you behave like an adult instead.

>>718211736
Your response to me asking where I did that is "I was mistaken, so I'll double-down now"?
Okay then. I'm going to take heed of the other posts pointing out you're a nutcase and leave the thread.

>>718211387
Yes, he has been doing this for that long. He just spent a year manually creating fake metacritic accounts so that he could hopefully use it in has internet arguments. It didn't work out that way though. He's never going to stop.

At the end of the day, the only truly unfinished FF is ff16, a mainline ff with no party or elemental system

nomura himself agrees ff16 is not a real ff because ff16 doesn't have elemental affinities while to nomura having elemental affinities is a prerequisite to being a ff

top kek
so booty blasted

>>718211740
Notice how you've continually backpedalled from your claim while still failing to link a SINGLE post that you said explains what you mean. Its been almost 30 minutes and you still cant do a single thing

>>718211975
I never backpedaled on you acting like a child. That was my entire comment, silly.

>>718210480
From what I can read, people weren't talking about abilities and such.
They were talking about the state of the story. That's why people generally say that Final Fantasy XV is unfinished.

>>718211972
it's more entertaining than actually playing FFXV.

>>718194043 (OP)
>Be honest
>Will four niggas in a row actually save Final Fantasy in their future games?
Nope. Problem isn't primarily the combat (even though combat might additionally be an issue for some of the games)
FF13: Convoluted mess with straight corridors everywhere and no town hubs.
FF14: MMO
FF15: Rambling mess of a story that was never finished since the DLC that was supposed to do that got cancelled.
FF16: Too serious and not enough hope and levity, the likes which hasn't been seen since literally FF2.

The sauce itself is lacking

>>718211805
No it was in the fact you're butthurt enough to keep responding adversarially to me in response to me pointing out xvi is unfinished and xv is finished

where's your argument? why can't you link it if you already posted it
are you fucking off because you lied and thought just by spouting a lie it'll sometimes be true?

xvi is unfinished as pointed out here >>718208823 which adheres to the nebula claim of what constitutes being unfinished

kitase and Sakaguchi both said ff8 is unfinished too


>>718211806
how many times are you gonna samefag?

>>718212053
and you're still backpedalling

>>718211972
but enough about xivtards

>>718212690
>backpedalling
You appear to not know what that word means. Or you're mixing up posts. Not sure which, can't read your mind.

>>718212331
If that was the case then FF7R and ff16 and kh3 and ff13 are unfinished in that department even moreso

the only way you can even learn joshua was in a coma for 5 yeats of the 13 years timeskip is through reading the japan only ff16 ultimania book
there is no possible way to learn that important information in ff16

>>718212394
anything is more entertaining than playing ff16
hell even ff16 is embarrassed of itself which is why its a snoy moviegame and not a video game

>>718212570
>FF15: Rambling mess of a story that was never finished since the DLC that was supposed to do that got cancelled.
kek, universally recognized for FF15 being unfinished

>>718212690
>how many times are you gonna samefag?
I have never samefagged in my entire life. I have too much integrity to do so.

>>718212840
>If that was the case then FF7R and ff16 and kh3 and ff13 are unfinished in that department even moreso
?

>>718212570
ff13 didn't finish its story since its main story dlc was cancelled and the drama cd are main story cut content

ff15 finished its story at launch and all canon dlc released

ff16 is unfinished with no ending

>>718212898
They're just saying it over and over again because they're still coping about how everyone recognizes that FF15 was never finished.
It's not supposed to make sense, it's literal schizo "logic"

>>718212937
Huh?

>>718212761
You're still unable to post a single link

>>718212867
Saying this while youre operating from a ff14 discord of Yoshi-P dicksuckers to damage control his slop

>>718213056
>You're still unable to post a single link
>>718211438

>>718212847
Why'd you samefag pretending to be a new poster who just happened to say the exact debunked lie from earlier in the thread?

>>718194043 (OP)
It would be a step in the right direction.

>>718213125
>samefag
>debunked lie
kek

>>718213056
>Saying this while youre operating from a ff14 discord of Yoshi-P dicksuckers to damage control his slop
I don't use Discord. I've never used anything to coordinate posts with other users on 4chan. I'm not a Yoshi-P dicksucker, nor am I "damage controlling" anything. All I said is that you've been doing this for nearly 15 years, because you have been.

>>718212898
>>718212973

FF7R literally needs ff7 and advent children to even begin to comprehend what the fuck is happening and is an unfinished to be continued slop job

ff13 cut out enough content to make an entire other game and its main story dlc was cancelled and the drama cds are cut content from the main story too

ff16 has so many plot points that you can't understand without reading the Japanese only ff16 ultimania and it still has no ending and shit constantly happening with no explanation while it has no party or cities or dungeons or elemental system etc

kh3 requires so much outside shit and sold its ending as a $30 dlc whos ending to that is in a fucking rhythm game released nearly 2 years after kh3 itself did while needing 4 cancelled mobile games worth of knowledge to comprehend anything with the fortellers and watching the bsckcover movie to get any inclination to master of masters and further for ephemer who shows up at the fucking climax of kh3 with no explanation

>>718212973
how is ff15 unfinished?

So real question:
Why DIDN'T Square Enix give them a chance to finish FF15? It couldn't have possibly hurt them too much to just let them finish it, right?
So why did they cut them off and disperse the team instead? Petty corpo shit against the director or something?

>>718213027
FF13 main story is in cancelled dlc and cut content drama CDs that only exist because they ran out of time

FF15 ends its story at launch and all its canon dlc released

ff16 has no ending

>>718213389
nta but ff7r is literally a trilogy. the 3rd game isn't out yet.

>>718213106
Linking a post that says literally nothing about how it's somehow unfinished? Where is your fucking argument?

>>718213463
You already posted that and didn't clarify anything, it still doesn't make sense

This is what you responded to:
--
>Be honest
>Will four niggas in a row actually save Final Fantasy in their future games?
Nope. Problem isn't primarily the combat (even though combat might additionally be an issue for some of the games)
FF13: Convoluted mess with straight corridors everywhere and no town hubs.
FF14: MMO
FF15: Rambling mess of a story that was never finished since the DLC that was supposed to do that got cancelled.
FF16: Too serious and not enough hope and levity, the likes which hasn't been seen since literally FF2.

The sauce itself is lacking

>>718213406
This is massive conspiracy theorist territory, but it's possible that XV was not as successful as the numbers would lead one to believe. We don't know if the separated the budget of Versus XIII from XV. Maybe all told it was not that profitable, if at all. It's also *HIGHLY* suspicious that there have been at least 2 random shovelware mobile games using the XV IP that have both done ridiculously well, for no real reason at all, possibly indicating money laundering either by the company who bought rights to the IP or by SE themselves.

With how successful XV was on paper, it really doesn't make any sense at all to cut the DLC for it.

>>718213532
You kept asking me to link to my argument. All I said was that you were behaving like a child (and apparently chose to continue to do so).
You're apparently still confused. That IS the link.

>>718213186
Yes
https://youtu.be/XSW6vE6zfdQ?t=1482
>The theme is an ALTERNATE grand finale, of course we're not trying to overwrite the existing ending, the ending for FFXV is THE ending for FFXV, but like we did with Episode Ignis we want to give players a choice to see a possible different outcome.

The XV devs outright state base XV is THE ending for XV and nothing is overwriting that

Where's your argument

Final fantasy is dead either way

>>718213578
People also tend to gloss over just how delayed and overbudget XV went, and how they needed to restart it.

>>718213285
More ff14 fag lies, i swear you ff14 fags are the israel of ff
all you fucking do is lie and subterfuge

>>718213617
top kek

>>718213406
Cause would a "finished" FFXV actually fix it flaws? How the open world is boring, the combat is a joke and how most of the plot happens off screen?

>>718213578
I bet it really was a matter of corporate reprisal. Anger at the director, refuse to let them finish the story they started.

>>718204047
This

>>718213406
they did
ff15 finished on November 29th 2016 when it launched

>>718213578
It was extremely successful
dotf was cancelled because it was NON CANON and because more importantly TABATA LEFT

SE didn't want to continue with non canon bonus stuff for xv when it isn't required for the story and without tabata did not want to keep doing xv stuff, that is why they pivoted to focussing on their AAA new ip which SE higher ups saw as a bigger potential than some short non canon alternate timeline bonus round of dlc for 15 that wouldn't have had any significance to the main game itself

>>718213661
It was not over budget at all it literally exceeded sales expectations at launch you idiot

ff16 was delayed and over budget and literally took longer to make than ffxv did under Tabata's team

>>718204047
>SE is fucking retarded when it comes to MMOs
Leaving it as "SE is fucking retarded" is a more accurate sentence
They did drop a bunch of projects as they tried to shift into NFTs until that dude got canned

>718213901
shh, non-shizo anons are having a conversation

>>718213491
and? ff7r is still unfinished

you can't even know who zack is or his significance in ff7r unless you already played ff7 or Crisis core

>>718213969
>and?
are you retarded?

>>718213548
It's literally the explanation? Are you illiterate or something? FF13 and 16 are both literally unfinished with cancelled main story shit
XV ended its main story at launch

>>718213606
So you're backpedalling

>>718214032
You are a bizarre fellow, anon. Way to refuse to clarify.
Have a good day.

>>718213675
Everything in my post is true.

>>718214079
No. Literally provided you the link, silly.

>>718213790
most of ff16s plot is offscreen
most of ff13s plot is offscreen
ff15 explains everything on screen

the combat is more developed than anything in 16 or 7r or 13
the world is literally more full of stuff to do and see than ff16 and 13 and 7r

hell in ff7r sephiroths entire fucking "legend" is entirely offscreen too

>>718213790
>Cause would a "finished" FFXV actually fix it flaws? How the open world is boring, the combat is a joke and how most of the plot happens off screen?
Sure, but it would've been more respectful to the people who made it and to teh few fans it had to actually allow them to complete the story.
Doesn't need to be a full game, just the remaining DLC that would've closed everything. Instead they left a blackmark on XV on it being the sole unfinished FF in the entire mainline series.

>>718213961
No you aren't you fucking retards, you're just ignoring actual reality so you can shit post and schizo post made up bullshit instead of accepting the reality

>718214278
shh, it's not healthy for you to project like that

>>718214005
So you're retarded
if you're going in ff7r blind then having a character you've never seen before show up during the climax of the game with no explanation will not only confuse you but won't tell you dick about what the fuck is happening or who this zack person is

>>718214370
>no u
riveting

metaflop sissy still shilling his garbage.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/hVFVaOE2A4sP2PKXrQF3ig/

>>718214370
>Empire Strikes Back just comes out
>STAR WARS makes no sense! It's unfinished!
Because part 3 isn't out yet....

>>718214080
Can you not read?
XV main story ended at launch, dotf is not canon and not main story so its irrelevant that it was cancelled

ff13 main story dlc was cancelled and ff13 main story was cut out for drama cd which they stated in the ultimania, so ff13 is unfinished by default and it has no cities or exploration or dungeons to find etc

ff16 is unfinished in every aspect and has no ending and requires a book released in Japanese only released months after the game just to understand majority of the shit
and it still has no ending or party or cities or elemental affinities or dungeons to find etc

>>718194043 (OP)
No, but it needs to be more strategic again and you can do that with action-combat as well. FF7R does find a decent middle ground. Though they likely could do it more so.
The problem is not the gameplay, the first remake sold like hotcakes after all.
The main problem is the entire structure:
1. Split up one game into 3 games
2. Saves do NOT carry over from one game to another (so start over at level 1)
3. Playstation exclusive

So most people are just waiting for the trilogy to finish and plan to then buy a complete collection, but the fact that those games don't combine into one super game ala Total Warhammer (meaning you can't return to old areas and progress isn't carried over) is a serious turn off for people to even do THAT.
Honestly I would like them to just copy i.e. Baldur's Gate 3 and then just make a new FF Tactics. So FF but now as a cRPG. I prefer being able to move and position guys strategically in battle far more than just FNIAR.

>>718214126
Are you fucking illiterate? Are you pretending now that this >>718211438 was your first post in this thread?

>>718194043 (OP)
This narrative needs to fucking die. Nobody is going to play it even if they switch up the combat if the story's are nonsense.
13 ends with Lightining literally in real-life France, how would four niggas save that?
I mean fuck, they didn't even bother finishing XV's damn story, how would four niggas in a row save that?

>>718214614
I am not. I would like for you to behave as an adult and at least pretend that you, yourself, are literate.
I told you my argument. You got mad. Demanded a link. I linked you my argument. You still get mad.
What part are you confused over?

Rebirth is a pile of shit with bad combat and a worse story

>>718214272
XV story was complete at launch, dotf is a non canon alternate timeline

saying that matters while igboring shit like ff7r first soldier introducing new characters to ff7r lore and new backstory for the main characters and villains just outs you as a hypocrite

ff13 main story dlc was cancelled and its unfinished
ff7r ps4 dlc cancelled and is unfinished
ff7r tifa chapter cancelled and is unfinished
ff7r first soldier cancelled
ff7r gbike cancelled
ff7r by cc2 cancelled

ff7r, ff16 and ff13 are the three actual unfinished ffs

count ff8 in there which kitase and Sakaguchi said was unfinished
uematsu said every ff he was main composer on is unfinished so ff 1-10 unfinished

>>718194262
>you will never get a chance to mff with your gf and Claire

>>718214849
Dude, nobody cares. You've been spamming this nonsense for awhile now.
People want to talk about theories on why Square wouldn't let them finish 15's story, it's an interesting topic

>>718205505
7 Remake is at 7 million now
>>718205749
Rebirth has a sadder and better ending than 15
>>718207556
15 isnt that good, 16 is worse but 15 isnt that good, the 7 Remakes and even Crisis Core Reunion are better than 15 and 16
>>718208185
Cod and Fortnite make a lot of money and are very popular that doesnt make them good, 15 has and inferior combat to KH honestly they shouldve gone with the Versus 13 KH copy combat
>>718208280
What's the lore behind this particular 15 anon?

>>718215069
>15 has and inferior combat to KH honestly they shouldve gone with the Versus 13 KH copy combat
I still remember how excited I initially was for 15, because even though I didn't like KH1 (felt clunky), I loved KH2's combat and I figured they iterate off of that

Then 15's combat felt like complete non-responsive ass
Why couldn't they have just copied KH2 combat? It completely turned me off from the game

>>718214334
FF16 under takai and yoshitpiss began in 2015
it released unfinished in 2023 after being delayed multiple times and they then released cut content dlc cut out from base game sold back to us in 2024 for main story of clive

ff15 began under tabata in july 2012 and he took over as sole director in December 2013, and it took only 3.5 years of development according to Noctis's Japanese VA
it had its ending at launch
in 2017 short parallel side stories were released that take place parallel to events in chapter 7, chapter 9, chapter 12 and before chapter 14 for characters who are not noctis, literally not the main story

in 2017 a fan survey was conducted and 500k respondents chose ardyn dlc as their no.1 pick with other stuff added in via royal addition like added combat stuff
in 2018 they then greenlit an ardyn dlc due to fan demand and then decided to also do a non canon alternate timeline bonus batch of dlc as a fun side thing, tabata then left SE only 5 months after it was announced and SE didn't wanna continue with xv stuff without Tabata's involvement
that stuff that was cancelled wasn't even outside of the script phase yet, ep ardyn kept getter made because its what won the fan survey itself and was mostly done when tabata left

that and SE higher ups saw greater revenue potential in a new AAA ip than in non canon alternate timeline bonus side dlc

not my problem you can't accept reality

>>718203429
>only 10th

>>718214420
Where's your argument

>>718214514
star wars was planned that way
ff7 was not and in og ff7 you never see zack that early for no reason either
ff7r just shows him for no fucking reason at the climax of the game and expects you to already be familiar with him and ff7s story to know its doing some multiverse shit

>>718214574
I'm not lying to you, anon. Everything I said is the truth. I don't even know why you decided I'm some XIV/Yoshi-P person. All I said is that you've been doing this for 15 years, which is true.

>>718214665
why are you samefagging? xv ended its story at launch
how didn't it?

>>718215371
literally in the post
then you went full retard

>>718215424
nta, but they cut off dlc before they could finish the story
they never should've done the weird multi-media/dlc approach to story, it bit them in the ass

>>718214720
Where is your fucking argument? Post it now, what is your explanation? You didn't link anything to do with the subject you linked some irrelevant post about you seething and calling others childish which has nothing to fucking do with asking you to EXPLAIN WHAT THE FUCK YOU MEAN BY UNFINISHED

HOLY FUCK

>>718215371
Anon, 7R is planned that way
Part 3 is not out yet

>>718215486
Literally here. THAT was the entire argument. I can't believe you're this confused.
>>718211438

>>718214913
Like I said before, youre just a backpedalling little pussy while desperately trying to deflect from the fact ff15 was finished at launch while ff16, ff13, ff7r etc are unfinished

you can't even explain how xv is supposedly unfinished

>>718215568
If you say so
Nobody cares.

>>718215069
rebirth has the worst non ending in the franchise
15 mogs 7r
15 mogs kh
15 mogs versus which was literally just an inferior version of 15

nomura himself said it didn't have kh combat and said there's no point in 2 unrelated games having the same combat system

>>718215198
I bought Type 0 for episode Duscae and that 15 build has a different combat, you made patterns, you pick weapon types and order them in whatever order you want, it was a little better than what we got but even Type 0 HD has better combat than 15

>>718215642
Rebirth ending was pure kino with schizo Cloud and ghost Aerith, I'm still hyped as fuck for part 3, 15 has and ok ending but not as good as Rebirths

Been awhile since I've seen a Ba7ry meltie of this calibre
Last time it was this
https://youtu.be/eXJFbsQBvLw?si=dwSbfrWM-skAg3BX

>>718215198
15 is more responsive than kh2s clunky floaty ass the fuck are on you on about

kh2 doesn't even have any hitstop or impact to hits and you just flail aroumd until you float and maybe hit the lockon

>>718215649
I think that's why so many people hate 15. They were expecting it to at least be as good as their ARPG combat in prior titles, just for it for whatever godawful reason to come up with that slop.
I've heard that it at least got a TINY bit better after the DLCs, but I was too burnt out from release 15 to even try it at that point

It doesn't really matter. Final Fantasy, and JRPGs in general, have been shit since the end of the PS2 era for many other reasons.

>>718215725
Consider I have a clue who's making this post, it'd be pointless to engage since it'd largely fall on deaf ears so I'll just leave it as "no"

>>718215315
>ff16 is 33rd
>kh2 is 34th
>ff7 is 24th
>ff14 is 16th

xv mogs those by being in top 10
cope

>>718215649
True. I did the same thing. Duscae was "hold circle to win" and I thought "damn, this sucks, but I just know the real game is gonna be better". Then the real game came out, they changed circle to square, and the combat was even worse. Type-0 does have better combat than XV, you are correct.

>>718215749
People hate 15 because it's straight up incomplete and broken on a conceptual level. No amount of DLC could ever fix this game, especially since they're completely disconnected from the actual game.

>>718214175
Dude everyone saw how you didn't even 100% ffxv

>>718215848
I don't think people claim it was "fixed" by DLC, but being ablet o switch party members at least alleviated some of the monotony

>>718215378
>defends ff14/16/yoshitpisses honor
>ummm who is yoshit pee?

btw nice self report that you've been damage controlling yoshitpiss since 2010

>>718215426
Where? point out what your argument is retard

Damn that indian is still broken by some mmo producer? Sad

>>718215960
...

>>718215831
I don't like any of those games Barry

>>718215921
>>defends ff14/16/yoshitpisses honor
I didn't do this though. I said:
>"Do you think that someone who has been doing the same exact thing for 15 years is going to just magically stop one day?"

>>718215642
>15 mogging anything
You are just flat our wrong.

>>718210480
Nobody plays FF games for that, they play it for handsome characters and cutscenes
If ff16 was multiplatform day one including PS4 and featured a party it would have sold x3

>>718215961
Well, in this particular thread he went absolutely nuts over people pointing out that FF15 was the only mainline FF that was unfinished
It was... something else to watch him go off the deep end about that

>>718215465
the story was finished at launch, why do you keep fucking lying about shit? dotf is not the story, it was a non canon alternate timeline bonus round of dlc
the dlc support was supposed to end in 2017 and it only got an extended year because A NEW ROUND OF BONUS NON CANON DLC WAS GREENLIT DUE TO FAN DEMAND AND THE DEVS WANTING TO DO SMALL NON CANON SIDE THINGS

HOW ARE YOU CUNTS THIS STUPTD

>>718216006
FF15 is so bad even Barry needed 6 months to get the platinum, and he didn't bother to 100% despite being one of the easiest games to do so
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/704888187/#704959767

>>718216051
>the story was finished at launch
no it wasn't
>why do you keep fucking lying about shit?
?

>>718216090
These pajeets don't like the games, they just latch onto some mid game (because they know nobody talk about those) and constantly ruin threads, see the Ednatranny in Tales of threads or the RS2 larper in SaGa threads, their job is to kill threads and most jrpg threads have one of these

>>718215510
FF7 was not planned to get a failmake 20 years later
ff7r was mot even decided itd have e parts when part 1 was being made
they only decided on it being 3 parts instead of 2 parts AFTER FF7R HAD RELEASED

also that is still not a fucking excuse for ff7r being unfinished with shit happening with no explanation like that zack shit

>>718216090
>XV is literally the only video game he has ever beat
>he has not finished a video game since then
It all makes sense now.

>>718216158
We're not talking about FF7
We're talking about FF7R.
It was planned that way.

>>718215552
Where is your explanation for how it's unfinished? Why are you a retarded faggot incapable of answering the question

>thread ruined by the same schizo
Damn hope the next one is better

>>718215620
You clearly do retard thats why you're still malding because ff16 is more unfinished than anything you can say about xv

>>718216198
Your question is nonsense. I'm pointing you specifically to what my entire argument was, you silly person.
And we're at bump limit. I'm sorry you refused to start behaving like an adult the entire time we conversed. I knew I would be right, but I'm disappointed that I'm right.
Have a good thread until it falls off, lads

>>718216151
>see the Ednatranny in Tales of threads
I'm not familiar with this person, but I liked Edna. What's wrong with Edna?

Tabata ruined Nomura's game, guy cut like 90% of content

>>718216251
>malding about

>>718216284
Nomura ruined Nomura's game by not being able to finish it. Tabata probably did the best he possibly could have and just pushed any game out. They both suck for forcing us to deal with Barry for the rest of his life.

>>718215649
>>718215843
>>718215749

why are you retards samefagging? type0 literally has the same hold to attack mechanic which is why xv has it too you idiot
also final xv is upgraded from EpD

Literally everything in epD is in the game though, why are you lying? EpD is a barebones version of the full game that just had a temporary auto weapons in it when they area comfirmed manual weapon switch was implementing in the actual luminous version of the game in 2014 and was just not in the demo the same reason aerial abilities, magic and most weapon types weren't in the demo either

The combat in the final game is better
Literally everything in ep duscae is in the final game combat wise retard
the entire weapon combo system is still there with opener, mid, finisher, counter and aerial which you now have full manual control of with weapon switching manually instead of only auto
you have literally more combinations in the final game than epd had you dumb fuck
tempest is still there on greatsword manual finisher, full thrust on lance Dinput etc, with far more combo action added on top of that
rhe gameplay is superior as is the shadows and shadow res, vegetation, draw distance, LOD, AF, texture res, AO, hq filtering, res, AA, ETC all being upgraded too.

The biggest feedback from ep duscae was to add manual weapon switching and to have abilities part of combos themselves instead of seperate which is what they added, alongside aerial combat, more weapon types, magic etc. the literally added more to it which they had stated was purposely left out of ep duscae because they weren't ready yet for the demo, manual weapon switching, aerial combat, magic, more weapon types, etc were always intended to be added, and all the attacks from duscae are in the final game

>>718216283
He is some tranny constantly roleplaying as Edna and sperging over lolis, then spamming BBC x Edna when bored

>>718216349
not reading that schizobabble.
rest of us are talking.

>>718216354
Damn, that sucks.

>>718215848
>>718215749
>>718215914
how is xv incomplete in a way that doesn't apply to ff16?

>ff16 has less to explore so less actual complete areas than xv
>ff16 has no hidden dungeons so less complete side content than xv
>ff16 has no actual party so already more incomplete on the party front
>ff16 torgal has less to him than literally any party member or guest in xv has
>torgal has no stats, no equipment, no level up, no skill tree, no link attacks, so already more incomplete than xv
>clive only uses 1 sword type so already more incomplete than noctis with over 15 unique weapons with unique combat styles
>ff16 has no magic stat, no mp, no difference between using magic or physical, no elemental weaknesses so its already more incomplete as an rpg
>ff16 is very linear and smaller than xv so already more incomplete than xv size or exploration wise
>ff16 has no Japanese lip sync so already more incomplete than ff15
>ff16 ironically wont let you summon any summons so already more incomplete than xv which at least you are able to summon even if its rng
>ff16 clive has less combat options and variety than noctis alone so already more incomplete than xv
>ff16 human ai has no skill tree or levels or equipment or weapons, accessories, stats or hp bars or able to even use items on them and they cant take damage or die so already more incomplete than xv
>ff16 has no dynamic real time lighting or dynamic day night or dynamic weather system, and wind when garuda was flying around in ff16 didn't even move any grass or bushes or tree leaves so already more incomplete than xv graphics wise
>ff16 has static texture sky and no real time clouds so already more incomplete than xv skywise
>ff16 has no environmental interaction like point warp so already more incomplete than xv traversal wise
>ff16 chocobos cant swim so already more incomplete than xv
>ff16 has no other means of travel besides on foot or chocobo so already more incomplete than xv
>ff16 has no minigames so incomplete

>>718215961
>>718216046
as if we didn't need anymore proof that you're a yoshitpiss fag malding because ff16 is unfinished while ff15 is finished at launch

>he thinks anyone is reading the content of his posts anymore
kek

>>718216527
I don't give a shit about your boyfriend, can you stop thinking about that faggot for 5 minutes?

>>718216481
I would call 16 more barebones than incomplete.

>>718216583
I think he "stumbled upon" the thought

>>718216008
it objectively does
you can't even manually jump in 7r

>>718216006
>>718216090
>>718216151
>>718216090
you're doing it again xivfags

you retards weren't even old enough to post on 4chan when ffxv came out

>>718216090
>Tfw not even the defender likes it

>>718216151
This, they don't even get paid

Reminder before this thread falls off that Barry accidentally exposed that he surfs tranny porn threads a few years ago, and frantically tried to hide it after his exposure

>>718215983
So you don't have one

>>718215910
You mean an image that shows the plat trophy was obtained?

>>718215812
Seeing as you're a retard with no counter to the clip I posted it means I win

>>718215710
rebirth utterly butchered ff7

>>718216660
I'll help you out since you're a known ESL:
"..." is typically used to signify a loss of words when someone just said something really stupid in English text.

>>718215724
But conan said he liked the game, you realised that was a scripted bit, right?

>>718216090
>he hate boughted ff7r and kh3
>he made his profile private after he got exposed
KWAB

>>718216697
>I'm bleeding, making ME the victor

>>718215987
>I'm just defending yoshitpiss for some other reasons!!!!

>>718216742
Post proof
You've been saying this for years

>>718216652
doesn't surprise me.

>>718216112
how wasn't it finished when it fully concluded while ff16 and 7r and kh3 did not?

>>718216779
Every game past 12 excluding 13-2 is garbage.

>>718216828
>how wasn't it finished when it fully concluded
ESL

>>718216652
No no, he "stumbled upon it". Totally accidentally, of course. kek

>>718216615
>you retards weren't even old enough to post on 4chan when ffxv came out
I pre-ordered 2 collector's editions of XV, I pre-ordered the Deluxe from Gamestop to get the beatem up game, and I bought the XV PS4, and Type-0, all when they came out. I've been here longer than you've had a name.

I also still didn't say anything about XIV. That was all you, lil bro. I wish you knew how schizo you were. All I did is say you've been doing this for 15 years, so why would anyone expect you to stop. The only thing that will stop you is your death, and if there is an afterlife, you can bet you'll still be shitposting in spirit from beyond the grave.

>>718216151
then why is ff15 higher rated than ff16 and ff7 rebirth on steam and selling better than every ff on steam?

>>718216189
FF7R was not planned as 3 games and that is mot an excuse for being purposely unfinished slop in part 1

>>718216828
It didn't fully conclude. That's how it wasn't finished.
What do those other games have to do with 15 not being finished?

>>718216236
ff14 fags always ruin ff threads
they're always trigger by ff16 being the most unfinished piece of shit ever shat out that killed the ff brand

>>718216886
7R was planned as multiple games. This was stated from the start.
>Empire Strikes Back isn't finished!
Part 3 isn't out yet...

>>718216279
So you have no argument and can't even answer my question
xivfags like you deserve to be killed

>>718216284
tabata saved xv
versus was barely 20% done and had fuck all in it

>>718216317
>nooo I'm not mad at you shitting on ff16 please dont put in the newspaper that i was mad

Just play Atlus gaems if you want 4 niggas in a row

>>718216972
kek, I like how you specifically waited 15-20 minutes after they said they were leaving to respond because you were afraid of a response
top kek

>>718216385
No you're just samefagging you xivtard

is xiv being the most hated ff that triggering for you?

xvi being the most unfinished ff that killed ff really hurts you

>>718217016
You're just malding that brownies are brown obviously

The zeldapoo is going to kill himself when ff17 is announced

>>718216546
We know yoshitpiss fags can't read

>>718217069
didn't read

>>718216583
>>718216609
Sure thing xivtard keep proving you're totally not malding over xv to deflect from xvi and xiv getting shat on by everyone

>>718217126
didn't ask + your gay