Thread 718277610

Did it deserve the nerf.

Same answer as any "nerf".
Fuck no, that's retarded it's not the developer's job to wipe the ass of 'competitive' players and youtubers

>>718277610 (OP)
It should've kept the original headshot fall off distance to make it a little more rewarding for aiming while having the new damage fall off to make it more resonable to fight against.

>>718277869
it was sucking to fight against in casual gameplay, anon-doko

>>718277610 (OP)
nah
they shouldve buffed stock instead

>>718277610 (OP)
No, and neither did Sandman

Literally anything that's good at killing sniper gets nerfed or countered. Including the one time counter-sniping got too effective. You WILL play as an interactive shooting gallery for the aim trainer autist in the lobby.

>>718279795
Incidentally the Ambassador got the shit kicked out of it because it was outpacing Sniper for general annoyance purposes, it's not probable to deal with a class that can chunk you from afar and then dash away with invisibility

>>718277610 (OP)
The problem Valve had with it was people were playing discount sniper and gunspying too much. With that in mind, the nerf I would have given it instead was a -75% reserve ammo. Now you can't spam shots and have to be on the move active, moving around more often and picking up ammo boxes, using your Amby more conservatively.

considering fucking everyone used it over stock, yes

>>718277610 (OP)
never should have existed but even then it wasn't anything ridiculous. Maybe most spies were bad since it wasn't like they were cleaning up anything but stationary targets

Unrewarding harder to hit shots is kind of a strange nerf though

The skill floor for the Amby was and still is insanely high, if you can hit prediction heavy headshots from mid-range onwards you should be rewarded.

Yes, "discount sniper" should not be an encouraged playstyle for spy.

it wasn't really nerfed. just hit headshots and it still does superior damage to stock or enforcer.

>>718277610 (OP)
Not when this fucking abomination exists. Free crits for doing what spy normally does, with none of the aim or skill required of the ambassador.

>>718280938
I feel like I've seen a huge downturn in the amount of spies that using the Diamondback in recent years. It's mostly stock now if not totally knife only.

>>718277610 (OP)
Damage drop off was a bad move but a hard cap on the crit range would have been a good nerf. But seriously this >>718280938, literally skill vs doing fuck all for reward.

>>718280980
I use stock because i like the reskins spy has so im basically gimping myself but ive gotten really good at learning ammo pack locations.

When the item servers were down though for 4 days straight it was nice killing a spy and knowing he would die and not instantly return with 20 crits in his back pocket.

>>718280938
I think give it the frontier justice treatment of cutting the ammo to only 3 shoots willake it more fair
>>718280980
It makes spy really boring to play in the long run. The Amby requires aim while moving and make the first shoot counts because of the revolver spread
>>718281151
Unironically more people go back to the game that day than any update

>>718281151
>When the item servers were down though for 4 days straight
The most fun I've had with the game in years. God, people actually had to play their class normally. You could look at someone and instantly tell what they could and could not do. Not everyone had some hidden pocket melee or secondary that disabled their class flaws.

Completely stock except for maybe just the sandwich is basically the best version of tf2 and no one fucking appreciates it.

What is it about Spy and Scout mains that they feel the need to bitch about nerfs still to this day? You don't see this endless bitching out of say Pyro mains or Engie mains despite their unlocks being nerfed.

If they really want it to be '''balanced''' the range needs to be about 50% further than it is and it would be totally fine, but no it never did and the whiny medic mains who bitched about Spy being able to do something other than run in and get killed should rope themselves in shame

>>718281527
it's one guy

>>718281402
>Sniper cant counter his close range weaknesses
>Engie cant turtle even harder
>Spy is a pick class again and not solo'ing entire groups

Wow maybe these unlocks completely destroy the pacing of the game and go against class design....

>>718281527
Pyros still bitch about the Axtinguisher nerf for puff n' sting tactics because I definitely do

But I also bitch about the Equalizer getting split into Equalizer (rancid dogshit) and Escape Plan (still amazing) because it's a fucking melee weapon and most of its power is going to be coming from its common crits anyways

>>718281787
I have a strange powerjack signed by sketchek and it just reminds me of them removing his name from the axetinguisher.

Nothing ever deserved to get nerfed

>>718279795
>the only counter to sniper is sniper that can turn invisible
surely there's a better way to beat sniper then this

>>718281527
I feel like the type of person who would main Spy or Scout are very different from the people who would main Pyro

>>718280938
just an item that punishes you for having retarded teamates like most spy unlocks, if you're farming enough saps/stabs to actually do anything threatening with this thing you don't need the crits to win, and if you don't have that momentum and actualy need to use your gun for its intended purpose literally every revolver but this one is better, because at least the enforcer counters wrangler/vax fags

>>718282154
I was also thinking of the old danger shield loadout. Letting you entirely dedicate sniper to being able to tank the first hit and second shot was just too good at harshing their buzz. It wasn't even good at anything else at all, it literally just let you countersnipe and was one of the only accessible counterplays to a razorback sniper next to a sentry slowly raising the top score.

>>718282154
If sniper can get two “fuck this class in particular items” I dont see why spy cant

>>718282409
because the old ambasador was a fuck 6/9 classes item

>>718277610 (OP)
No. It wasn't even better than stock revolver outside of long range. Nerfing its long range just made it inferior to stock in realistic situations. Secondary anons who never used the weapon tried to cope by saying "IT ACTUALLY HAS HIGHER DPS WHEN YOU CAN AIM" which is straight up false as stock out damages unless it's at extreme range with 100% head shot accuracy.

Amby nerf wasn't because it made spy OP, it was because it resulted in players not playing him like spy. Sniper is annoying enough, we didn't need a mobile sniper.

>>718282274
Enforcer has insanely niche use against a wrangled sentry because your sapper disables the sentry itself and enforcer does NOT pierce sapper armor either.

So if you want to be the spy sitting across the map plinking a wrangled sentry with all 6 shots to bring down a level 3 assuming the engie isnt right there repairing it then be my guest.

>>718281527
Every class under the sun in this game has people still salty about their nerfs.
>Pyro
Puff N Sting Nerf, Dragons Fury nerf
>Soldier
His shit never gets nerfed only buffed
>Heavy
GRU, the Warrior's Spirit and the Steak, Eviction Notice, and some heavies are still salty about not being able to toss the sandvich to instantly heal themselves
>Demo
The Caber got assraped, and a few years ago demos chimped out after the iron bomber projectiles got 'fixed'
>Engie
There's definitely engies still pissed that the RR needs metal now
>Medic
The shit they did to the poor Vita Saw is a travesty
>Sniper
He also doesn't really get nerfed

>>718277610 (OP)
every balance change to tf2 has made it less fun
>>718282152
this wasn't a nerf this was removing the main mechanic entirely

>>718277610 (OP)
Remember randomly insta dying and seeing that based spy in the kill cam just standing there with that pistol lmao

I miss it.

>>718282883
GRU is one of the most baffling series of nerfs ever devised and it kills me that it basically ended up reverting to launch status in the end.

>>718280980
I still mostly use the ambassador, or enforcer when I don't feel like aiming as much/enemy has a lot of pyros. That said, I agree with most people here that the damage fall off should not exist, but the crit range should. Hitting a headshot for slightly more than a default revolver shot feel so ass

>>718282883
Eviction can easily be reverted and it would just be a niche version of GRU still but actually usable.

>>718282954
All the nerfs they ever did to him ended up turning him into the most one note class ever because for some reason Hoovy wasn't allowed to have any alternative playstyles ever

>>718282883
>Dragons Fury being the only projectile in the game where not hitting center mass shots actually makes it substantially worse
>Also we will make airblast, a core part of his kit, insanely punishing against classes that butt fuck him already if he makes one mistake

Dragons Fury is so ass its not even funny and i feel retarded using it when i can just flank people with the backburner and not have to aim

>>718282883
They really went hard on the heavy every time he has some fun. It's like god damn he is so limited in what he can do just let him throw the fucking sandwich down for a weak heal.

>>718277610 (OP)
No. As a matter of fact all of Spy's revolvers should be buffed and he should be given secondaries that do more than just sap buildings (smokescreens, timebombs, decoys and such).
That way he isn't just played for trickstab compilations.

>>718282883
>>Soldier
>His shit never gets nerfed only buffed
Black Box
Conch
Equalizer
Liberty Launcher
Beggars
BASE Jumper
Those have all been nerfed.
Sniper I'll agree with since the only real nerfs I can think of are the Razorback overheal penalty and the Danger Shield rework which just changed fucking over one class to another

>>718283310
To this day I don't know what the point was of nerfing the Sandvich into near-uselessness and even going so far as introducing the Food meter to kill the epic pootis Heavy picnics, then giving him a consolation banana that's pretty much the original Sandvich right down to spammability.

>consistent 102 damage at intended range
>beyond the range cap, it deals a minicrit (69 damage, two-shots light classes)
I want it to be fully reverted, but just in case it can't.

>>718279795
>aim trainer autist
Is that what aimbotters are calling themselves now?

>>718283568
Bison and MG also got nerfed

>>718283687
Trying to call the Bison's penetration a bug was so fucking retarded

>>718283568
How were the beggars and the base jumper nerfed? I honestly dont remember what they did.

>>718283687
I forgot about the Bison when I made that post. Holy fuck that was the worst nerf in the history of the game, took a bad weapon and took a dump on it for no fucking reason at all

>>718282883
Eviction Notice and Dalokoh's Bar nerf still piss me off. Not a single fucking soul complained about these two.

>>718283790
The Beggars used to have full explosion radius and didn't unload rockets on overloads so you could overload jump and still barrage with 3 rockets.
BASE Jumper was nerfed to have less air control and removed redeploying after the initial deploy.

>>718283645
Honestly yeah. It's like speedrunning. If you're willing to spend a thousand hours on repeating something over and over, it probably means enough for you to cheat. Especially when they plateau.

>>718283790
The BASE Jumper used to be able to redeploy mid air so you could rocket jump, glide around in the air then shut down your parachute and reopen it to adjust your positioning better, this got removed because compfags didnt like it.
Beggars i think got a blast radius reduction? Or maybe they fixed the misfire for reloading not working sometimes? Must have been a long time ago.

>>718277610 (OP)
of course it fucking did. so did that other watch.
spy should not be sniping. with that said sniper shouldn't have a fucking shield that completely denies an entire class. they literally create a problem with the razor back, then gave the solution to it further down the same update but it was so good it basically made the spy an annoying nigga to play against.

>>718283568
What did they nerf on the Liberty Launcher? I only remember it getting buffed because from the get go it was kinda bad, is it the damage penalty? I only ever remember the OG Liberty having 1 less rocket in exchange for faster rockets and less self inflicted damage.

>>718283645
probably
a decade or so ago when someone was genuinely that good they didn't try to hide behind stupid phrases.
they clicked on your head and if you were halfway decent you could figure out how to fake them out and give yourself a decent shot at counter sniping or use positioning to get where you could jump them.

>>718281527
I get Spy mains bitching, since Spy is generally agreed to be the worst class, and he got weapons that were MAYBE a bit too strong.
Scunts on the otherhand are faggots since Scout is one of the best classes and the old Sandman was basically the Holiday Punch. Except that its on the fastest class, as a melee-based projectile with said projectile being the fastest projectile, and all in the while also not requiring you to be at certain angles to stun.

>>718284331
Before the damage penalty nerf, LL was considered a crutch, having faster rockets with same splash size and damage as stock.

>>718284037
>removed redeploying after the initial deploy.
man, that's lame as fuck. my friend was watching me stream tf2 the other day and insisted I try the BASE jumper out, and the only problem I had with it was not being able to redeploy at least one additional time.

>>718282531
Revolver outdamages it only in the long run. What matters in combat is how much early damage you can do and getting a headshot in on your first shot puts Amby's early damage ahead of revolvers.

>>718284617
I honestly dont remember it being used much when i used to play more frequently around 2012-2015, and when i started playing it again a few years ago it had already been a while since the damage penalty was set in place.
I do remember shitloads of Soldiers running the Black Box, then stock and a few running Direct Hit and a few less running Beggars or the Rocket Jumper for the memes, but not that many Liberty Launchers.
>>718283523
The only thing his revolvers need is to have the loss of accuracy thing they have in between shots removed. That is an extremely retarded "balance" choice on Valve's end, every other class in the game gets a solid tool to deal with their counters or to compensate for their main tools being locked out, why does Spy need to have a gun that gets worse accuracy the more you shoot it when its supposed to be your backup or panic option?

>>718284954
Yet in practice it performs worse than stock in close combat at any skill level

>>718284068
It's devastating that the last major balancing update was completely driven by compfags only for the game to get abandoned immediately afterwards.
>Put the balance into the hands of the "grassroots competitive community" as a show of goodwill after ignoring them for years
>They create so many dogshit balancing changes even they turn around on them down the road
>lol ded gaem no more updates, have fun
Especially fuck that little rat Uncle "I started playing in 2014" Dane who shuffled off the competitive circuit almost as quick as he latched onto it.

>>718283687
>>718283749
>>718283790
Fug I miss the old Bison so much. It got slept on, but if it had a strange version back then it would have been an instant Hale's Own for me.
>Used to penetrate through targets and hurt box was wide as shit
>Used to multi-hit if people went backwards
>Hitboxes were wonky and most people walked backwards when they got hit so you could hit somebody for 30-45 from a solid distance
>You could spam corridors and choke points to hit teams coming in and chunk light classes or kill them instantly if you would crit
>No ammo and fast reload made it spammable as shit
>Could deter teams by myself

For me?
Pic related

>>718284570
As someone who plays scout semi-frequently, I can never respect people who lean on his unlocks to play the class.

>>718287853
how do you feel about the BONK! atomic punch? I run stock scatter and stock bat otherwise

>>718284570
Scout is fine

>>718287853
All of his shit except for stock genuinely feels like shit to use aside from the BFB which is fun

>>718277610 (OP)
Diamondback is like 10x more OP yet you still have to actually play as the spy compared to amby fags

>>718288179
Soda Popper's good, all the offense of the FaN even if it comes at the expense of no FaN jumps

>>718288270
Kunai and diamondback are exclusively noob stomping weapons. Bad design but not overpowered if it relies on unbalanced games to begin with.

>>718288119
Bonk is ok, I guess. I never see scouts who are good with it, always just idiots who drink it and get pinned against a wall by a sentry.
I never really use it myself, but I really feel like people exaggerate the slow down penalty, even without using the strafing bug, it barely matters if you're using it properly. People really underestimate as a retreat tool for some reason.

>>718277610 (OP)
You can play with the old ambassador on:
CASTAWAY.TF

And find out for yourself.

>>718280980
I shoot buildings too much to find the crits useful.
But damn when they hit they hit.
Being able to just blow away anyone at 100 HP if I can see them is nuts.

>>718288727
Literally every real class can blow away 100 hp away and more

>>718287853
sock scattergun is way better than any of the other primaries by a fucking mile

6s is the greatest and most balanced video game of all time

>>718288776
What an abhorrent post.
You'll never know if you have to ask.

>>718288824
The Soda Popper is the only one that stands next to the scattergun. As long as you can hit both shots you're going to be blowing away your opponent before they even have time to turn around.
The Shortstop is a meme, the FaN knockback is more annoying for you than the person you're shooting, and the BfB is fun if worthless.

>>718288962
Can I visit your bizarro world? I'd like to see how all 9 classes are viable there.

>>718280938
The funny thing about people bitching about this thing is mostly crying that a spy is already doing well and it (mostly) avoids the actual shit people whined about the ambassador (fags cheating with it).
Stock unironically ends up being about on par since it has the extra 15% damage + crits.

>>718289148
6s is as balanced and great as it is BECAUSE of the restrictions.

>>718288980
the thing that makes the soda popper good is the multi-jumps mainly, and to be fair it can be insane in the hands of a pro scout but stock is also the only one of the primaries that can regularly gun people down at semi-mid ranges

>>718289148
>engineer
>ALWAYS ran defending last holds
>sniper
>you already know the answer to this
>pyro
>defends last, sometimes can be ran out of last on smaller maps like gullywash
>heavy
>defends last, sometimes ran into a last push because a 450 heavy is very hard to kill if the defending team is down players
>spy
>checks for opposing off-classes, usually used as a sac play on medics, sentries, engineers and demos or a backcap
all 9 classes get ran in 6s, just not full-time. You're never going to see full teams of off-classing because they're just objectively not as good as scout/soldier/demo/medic.
also a reminder that the class with the most banned weapons is scout. https://whitelist.tf/rgl_6v6_s19

>>718280980
Stock is simply easier and safer. Diamondback like the kunai relies on having a team of retards to farm. Pulling a decent ROF out of your ass without relying on whether you stabbed someone or were disguised (or can aim lol) is good

>>718288962
Yeah, only 80% of the game has be removed too!

>>718288980
>"shortstop is kinda ass, lets buff it"
>shortstop can now push with RMB
>pushes take 10 years to deploy
>pushes move enemies like a half foot if successful
wtf

>>718290582
Pretty hilariously, the shortstop got fucked by the same airblast nerf that fucked the force a nature.

>>718288584
Bonk is for locking a sentry on you while your team walks in

Dear Valve,

I am writing on behalf of countless Team Fortress 2 players who wish to respectfully request that you reconsider the nerf applied to the Ullapool Caber, the Demoman’s unique and explosive melee weapon. While I understand balance adjustments are a natural part of a competitive multiplayer game’s lifecycle, the Caber’s current state unfortunately feels like a shadow of what made it beloved in the first place. This message is not an angry demand, but rather a passionate appeal to restore the spirit of one of TF2’s most iconic, entertaining, and community-loved items.

The Ullapool Caber was never just a weapon. It was a statement piece—an embodiment of TF2’s trademark chaotic fun. Unlike other melee weapons, the Caber provided Demoman players with a singular opportunity to create unforgettable, high-risk, high-reward moments. Charging into a group of enemies, detonating with a mad cackle, and possibly taking someone down even at the cost of your own life was not only balanced by its suicidal tradeoff, but it also made the game’s storytelling richer. TF2 has always thrived on moments that are both hilarious and skillfully executed, and the Caber was a reliable generator of such stories.

The current nerf diminishes that magic. By weakening its explosive payoff, the Caber has lost the distinct identity that justified choosing it over other melee options. The Demoman is already a class built around indirect damage and tricky positioning, so taking away his one wild melee trump card reduces variety in playstyles. In a game as old as TF2, keeping weapons distinct and flavorful is arguably more important than raw balance parity.

Therefore, I humbly ask Valve to restore the Ullapool Caber to its former glory. Reverting the nerf would not unbalance the game, but it would bring back a spark of joy and unpredictability that only this weapon can provide. Thank you for your time, and for continuing to support the game we all love.

Sincerely,
cum

>>718288962
6s can be fun, but most of the time if want a more skill expressive gameplay session I just play MGE or jump maps.

>>718278043
get fucking good retard

>>718277610 (OP)
No.
Anybody saying yes is a confirmed shitter that deserves to be laughed at.

>>718277610 (OP)
It was kino https://youtu.be/SwBl413IQeE?si=Ug8VMZAtyp6nPPjS

>>718277610 (OP)
Yes.

>>718277610 (OP)
Yes it deserved the nerf but the amby is still better in certain situations, like killing razorback snipers where it's 2 shots instead of 3.

>>718291390
>get good
>meanwhile, every spy: "ambassador sux now because it's too hard to hit headshots when I'm not pretending to be a sniper and standing safely outside of enemy range"

>>718288584
>Bonk is ok, I guess. I never see scouts who are good with it
it requires teammates with brain cells which do not exist in tf2

>>718288962
>scouts farming
>balanced

>>718277869
first post low iq post
also, you should try playing tekken 8, it's as unbalanced as it gets as far as modern online game go, see if that's fun

>>718283829
>critical shit
epic

>>718291627
>meanwhile, every spy: "ambassador sux now because it's too hard to hit headshots when I'm not pretending to be a sniper and standing safely outside of enemy range"
>the sniper main cries as he headshots you from far away
Ambasssdor nerf is not needed in the slightest

>>718292034
>don't like snipers? you're a sniper main!
Most intelligent Spy player

>>718292070
>Most intelligent Spy player
Found the W+M1 pyrocuck

>>718280938
Mediocre gimmick
>Get more damage but only after you've already done your job

>>718277610 (OP)
It's a nice gun, but the engraving gives you no tactical advantage.

>>718283645
Yup, people push the idea of "aim trainers" so they can pretend they just spend a lot of time training when in reality they just use an aimbot.

>>718284417
A decade ago people actually played games for fun and there were way less incentives and foundation for people to get away with cheating didn't really exist.
A decade ago if you said the phrase
>The developers never expected someone to put in 200 hours and they'd have aimbot tier aim
You'd be laughed out of the room and kicked from the steam group.

>>718278043
Only 1 percent of players could use it effectively, you're telling me you wanted Valve to punish people who actually got good ? you're a fucking moron. now spy is overall less effective at combating a surrounded engineer thats by his sentry guarded by a pyro with a homewrecker.

>stab Engineer
>sap sentry
>headshot Pyro twice
easy

>>718286608
I mean the problem now is like, let's just say
>Hey, all this shit was a mistake and we're rolling it back now.
You've basically dropped the scout update back into the game since Airblast is no longer broke and the Force a Nature works as intended, and the sandman now servers ANY purpose outside of versus saxton hale mode, so that shit's running around.
Then we need to get around to
>Hey what's that retarded pedophile uncle dane who'd been running bots for NEARLY FIVE FUCKING YEARS STRAIGHT going to do when you roll back all the shit that required several years of gayops to convince you to do?
Like it's probably beyond worth the hastle cassel for them to do anything about it.

>>718297526
Not to mention this would be pretty unproductive since right now tf2 has a pretty severe issue that the only people willing to crack open the ancient ass SDK are quasi Valve employees, a problem that extends to Half Life 2 and CS:2 which also have the issue that all the tools to make shit are windows only, and I got some BAD fucking news.
WINDOWS USERS, DON'T MAKE SHIT ANYMORE.

>>718277610 (OP)
it's been what, 10 years? do you have nothing else on your life than to think about a weapon change that happened in a videogame 10 fucking years ago?

>>718299096
You're vastly overestimating how much of an investment it is to plop a thread on 4chan, and also yeah, it's gay and retarded that the ambassador sucks dick.
Maybe if a new class based shooter released we could talk about something else, but as it stands there's fuck all to talk about.

>>718277610 (OP)
Of course not. The last thing spy needed was nerfs.

How would you nerf sniper?

>>718277610 (OP)
I never could learn how to get used to the way hitboxes work in TF2. I feel like the crosshair is at the head or body but it misses.

>>718299408
Tracer rounds on every rifle + can't do a 150 headshot until a second of charging up, or any other way to prevent quickscoping.

>>718299408
I don't and give the guy asking a week game ban under the very fair assumption his retarded ass is running bots on actual user servers being run.

>>718299408
Lower mouse sensitivity by 80% when picking sniper.

>>718299408
40 base damage and charge drain on taking damage

>>718283829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq60Z92ybp0
i miss the old loch n load

>>718283223
>the backburner
They nerf that shit too. I can't crit even If I aimed straight at a heavy's back for some reason.

>>718299408
4 bullet capacity

>>718299408
He is forced into a 5 second taunt animation everytime he scores a headshot.

>>718299408
The whole game needs a full on weapons rework, a complete and total overhaul. But valve doesn't care. All they care about is selling cosmetics.

>>718302058
>The whole game needs a full on weapons rework, a complete and total overhaul
No thanks, jyst buff the garbage shir

>>718277610 (OP)
no, most of the weapons didn't really deserve it, and the ones that did got nerfed way to hard

>>718282883
I like using the steak for roll outs and giving a medium heal to my teammates but I’ve never bothered with the warrior spirit

>>718282883
the Gru is still pretty good for everything except boring rollouts(can still be countered by eating fucking chocolate) its valves retarded philosophy that if to weapons have similar traits they both need to be nerf. so they targeted the brass beast and eviction notice for shit only the natasha and gru were complained about. also the steak is a tragedy and now its ONLY good for rollouts

>>718302507
>never bothered with the warrior spirit
Cause the true melee Heavy uses FoS + steak (ignoring Medieval)

>>718277610 (OP)
>increase the range the amby gets full crits from
>beyond that it still gets crits at any range just with falloff
>also give the diamondback a clip nerf and crit falloff
there problem solved

>>718282152
>dude lets give the fastest class in the game a easy to hit projectile that can even stun ubered player
>and lets also give him a weapon that crits players while they can't do shit to stop it
if they was any weapon to deserve the valve nerf it was this

>>718303248
Just revert the ambi nerf, faggot, don't ruin every good weapon of the weakest class in this game

>>718299408
give all his rifles tracers and make him do reverse fall of at close range. also make the jarate cooldown longer

rate my syringe gun rework

>>718303535
giving medic an air jump is interesting.

>No one used the Ambassador to snipe! I can't believe they nerfed it so you can't snipe with it anymore, making the weapon completely useless even though no one used it to snipe anyway- I mean... uhhh... REEEEEEE FUCKING COMPFAGS
Ambassadorfags, this is your mindset.

>give heavy a forth slot for lunchboxes
>give the caber a cooldown that can be speed up with ammo packs
>allow engie to use the winger and pocket pistol
>revert the eviction notice but also with a holster and deploy speed buff
>give sniper tracers and reverse falloff at close range
>make the razorback a active shield so its less braindead
>make the enforcers damage bonus flat and replace the slower firerate with reduced cloak on hit
>revert the amby
>put the kunai's lifesteal on a cooldown put buff the base health to 100
>increase the jarate cooldown to 35 seconds
>allow the cleaver to mini-crit bleeding enemies
>give the Natascha and sandman a speed boost on hit
>buff the pomson and bisons projectile speed and increase the bisons damage
>allow all the grordbort weapons to ignore damage resistances (minus the phlog and cow mangler)
>let the manmelter clear all debuffs but only get crits from burning players
>reduce the max health from the bazaar bargain by 20
>put a one second cooldown on vaccinator shields and make it so you can't cap while ubered
>remove the steaks damage venuriblity and also give it a pounce ability that's charged with damage
>reduce the scorch shots afterburn duration and only explode on hitting players

>>718283018
>eviction notice drains health slower than GRU
>but the lost health also REGENS slower
>if you hold eviction notice out for a long time you're more fucked than if you were using GRU

>>718281527
As a pyro main, I still miss the classic axetinguisher/postal pummeler.
90% of the weapon nerfs are retarded in the context of stock soldier and demos weapons being so fucking busted.

>>718283829
out fucking skilled

>>718283829
God that must've been so satisfying. I would nut if this were me.

>>718277610 (OP)
Yes, but not to that extent. Fast invisible 6-shot Sniper is stupid, but not getting appropriately rewarded for midrange headshots is also stupid.

>>718277610 (OP)
Keep damage falloff, but allow headshot at any range. There I fixed the Ambassador.

>>718277610 (OP)
Hell fucking no, fuck compfags.

Someone post that webm with 4 schadenfreude spies in a row

>>718288776
Not at any range.

>>718277610 (OP)
>102 hitscan damage on demand is bad because... I have to be within the effective range of 8/9 classes in the game to use it
Sniperfags and their offspring are insufferable

Shouldn't have nerfed the enforcer either
>"But the enforcer was blatantly overpowered"
And Spy needed it to keep up with scatterguns, rockets, and stickies

>>718277610 (OP)
It was a pain in the ass when it was paired with the DR because you had some faggot spamming headshots at a long distance and he was basically unkillable as a result and it was very, very annoying.
I'd accept a partial revert in the form of allowing headshots at all ranges but only effective on snipers.

>>718307603
Spy is not meant to keep up with direct combat classes.

>>718299408
>>718279795
Here we fucking go again

>>718308140
Yes, here you go again, posting your epic guaranteed replies image again.

>>718277610 (OP)
Yes. Spy isn't sniper. Anyone who says the amby didn't deserve the nerf has clearly never fought one with the dead ringer, plinking you for 102 in every fucking fight and always getting away.

>>718299408
Doesn't need nerf.
See the tier list >>718288164

>>718308442
or they were the ones being annoying pieces of shit with it

>>718308653
Also true, people who haven't experienced it at the peak of obnoxiousness or people who use it. Same people who defend the kunai I bet.

>>718304180
>revert the amby
dumb nigger, Spy is not supposed to be a long range class. Just nerf the Diamondback.
>increase the jarate cooldown to 35 seconds
nigger
>allow the cleaver to mini-crit bleeding enemies
and allow the wrap + cleaver combo to be more brain dead? fuck off retard. Might as well just reverse the sandman + cleaver combo.
>increase the bisons damage
Bison already does 60+ damage on a well placed shot, they need fix/revert the projectile change.
The rest makes sense.

I don't get why people want to nerf the scorch shit so badly. I don't see the issue with it, it's really not that bad being on the receiving end of it, especially compared to all the other shit in the game.

>>718307943
He's not keeping up with how squishy he is, but without the scout's mobility or the Sniper's ability to OHK outside of melee range (i.e. around corners at close/medium range). Spy being a glass cannon was fine, if not still underpowered even at the height of Dr. Enforcicle.

>>718277610 (OP)
How many nerfs did it have overall?
I remember playing when you can snipe across whole map with amby and sahara spy set gave super quiet invis sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIKCxOOKPwE

>>718311291
Just one big one. But that was enough to completely gut it outside of close range. It’s still good if you can aim but it’s no longer the “meta pick”. It’d be like if valve nerfed the tomislav or crossbow for being “too dominant”

>>718283223
I use the DF + GP + NA and manage to top score all the time.
Funny how the DF’s 2 flaws are both literally skill issues.

>>718305929
DR Ambysniper Spies were the actual reason some people installed hacks-because the alternative was getting 102 dinked at mid-range by some French cosplayer with a bushy mustache and then watching him vanish into thin air like Houdini after snorting cloak juice. "Hell fucking no" is the only sane reaction.

>>718312684
Hon hon, ain't that right?

>>718277610 (OP)
Yes. Spy's entire purpose is to backstab people, the Revolver is a backup. Retards who played Amby Spy were playing the game wrong and getting rewarded for it. That's why it got nerfed.

It isn't even a bad weapon now, but you still have some faggots crying rivers about it