Thread 718357478

SPECS:
Processor: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D Processor (4.20 GHz up to 5.00 GHz)
Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64
Graphic Card: NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti 16GB GDDR7
Memory: 32 GB DDR5-5200MT/s (UDIMM)(2 x 16 GB)
Storage: 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
AC Adapter / Power Supply: 850W
Pointing Device: USB Calliope Mouse (Black)
Keyboard: USB, Calliope, Black - English (US)
WIFI: Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.3

Is this a good PC. I plan on getting a pre built with these specs. Is it good enough for 4k or AI gen?

>>718357478 (OP)
yeah but with prices are the way they are now you'll be paying 3.5k for that.

>>718357478 (OP)

If you want 4K I’d go for the 5080. It’s only a couple hundred more and it does perform better at 4K, even though they have the same amount of VRAM. Or I’d wait until the super line drops in a few months. Right now, for 4k at decently high FPS, your starting point is the 5080. Even the 5080 doesn’t perform all that well at native 4k. Personally I’m waiting for the super line drops or might just drink for the 5090.

>>718357478 (OP)
>Processor: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7800X3D
what motherboard?
>NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti
which model?
>32 GB DDR5-5200MT/s (UDIMM)(2 x 16 GB)
timings? brand?
>1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
which model?
>AC Adapter / Power Supply: 850W
what manufacturer? what model? 80 plus/cybenetics rating?

do you see the problem?

>>718357478 (OP)
4k prolly not. I'm running a 4070 and I can comfortably game at 1440 but 4k I'd have doubts, though with DLSS god knows. AI-wise you'll be pretty fine, the X090fags will mock you but that can handle image gen like nothing, run local LLMs fine (There's an argument over if you should bother or not, but the point is that card's fine for them), and should be able to do current video gen though it'll still take you something like 5-10 minutes to make a 5 second video clip

If it's within your price range it's probably still worth going for but the 4k is the only part where I think you might have problems

>>718357478 (OP)
>>718358223

>>718359517
Hold on, I recognize that gay blowjob

>>718357478 (OP)
it sounds like it'd run civ 4 or elin or terraria just fine so you're good to go

>>718357478 (OP)
Do you live near a microcenter? Same CPU/GPU and double the storage for nearly $500 less than the legion, liquid cooled if you're into that sort of thing.
https://www.microcenter.com/product/694529/powerspec-g727-gaming-pc

>>718357478 (OP)
its plenty for that if you're willing to spend that much money. why doesnt this have an hdd for storage though

>>718357478 (OP)
>4k
meme
>AI gen
get 64 ram

>>718357478 (OP)
>Pointing Device: USB Calliope Mouse (Black)
>Keyboard: USB, Calliope, Black - English (US)
A fucking deadbeat!

>>718360521
poorfag

>>718357478 (OP)
>Is it good enough for 4k

4k doesn't mean anything on its own, but if you mean 4k/60fps then it's good enough for 100fps.

>>718360714
rather have my 200+ fps then your peasant 4k

>>718359517
WELLLL LIFE ON THE OUTSIDE AIN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE

we posting rigs? here's my old one since I don't have a pic of my new one.

>>718357478 (OP)
>Operating System: Windows 11 Home 64
You either install 11 Pro, 10 IoT LTSC or Linux. 11 Home is riddled to the brim with telemetry and ads.
>Memory: 32 GB DDR5-5200MT/s (UDIMM)(2 x 16 GB)
6000 CL30 is the sweet spot
>Storage: 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
Those specs and only 1TB? 2 is the minimum.

Where the motherboard? And what brand are the components? When buying prebuilts, it's always important to know from what brand each component is, especially the PSU, which is by far one of the most important components to get in high quality.

Wilds taught me a valuable lesson to not upgrade for a single game, thanks to the performance videos of the highest of high ends I looked up.
Can't believe the only reason I'm considering upgrading from my 10 year old PC is the upcoming fucking open world Gacha slop games

>>718360521
Based post. Everyone always hypes up 4K like they're doing professional color grading on an IMAX screen, then cry when Hogwarts Legacy turns into a slideshow. And yeah, 64GB RAM is the bare minimum if you’re touching things like SDXL or running LLMs locally. 32GB works, but you’ll be babysitting your VRAM like it’s a toddler walking near stairs.

>>718357478 (OP)
Specs are solid on paper, especially the 7800X3D paired with the 5070 Ti, but “good enough for 4K” really depends on what you plan to do at 4K. If you're trying to push native 4K in modern triple-A games on ultra settings at high FPS, you'll hit some walls unless you lean heavily on upscaling like DLSS 3. And for AI gen, you’ll be fine for image generation, maybe slow on video unless you're fine with waiting.

Also, like others said, prebuilt = mystery meat components. They slap the good parts in bold text and hide the cheap crap in the mouseprint. Check what PSU you’re getting (brand + rating), confirm if the SSD is an actual quality Gen4 drive and not a QLC low-end one, and for the love of god bump up to 2TB unless you want Windows updates to bully you every month about space. Keyboard and mouse being "Calliope" just screams "we saved 3 dollars on peripherals."

Tl;dr: decent setup if the builder isn't cutting corners, but price and long-term value are key. Also, 11 Home is for normies, slap LTSC or at least Pro on there.

>>718357478 (OP)
Depends, how much are you paying?

>>718357478 (OP)
You dont need to play a game in 4k res, for ai gen its good though
>>718358038
You dont need to play a game in 4k res

>>718363938
RAM is irrelevant for LLMs because running them on the CPU is extremely slow. Models large enough not to fit on my 4090 are too slow to use on my 9950X making the extra memory redundant. More RAM isn't free lunch either, the more RAM you have the harder it is to clock higher and LLMs love bandwidth and even if you have the fastest sticks like SR Hynix A-Die (which is a max of 32GB) you'll barely go beyond 100GB/s (120GB/s on Intel) which already is too little for LLMs. Use DR sticks or God forbid 4 sticks and you'll be murdering your bandwidth AND game performance because your latency is now through the roof. For non-3D chips fast RAM is a requirement, for 3D chips it's still a nice boost in CPU bound gaming.
If you're on a Threadripper or Xeon it makes sense because you get more bandwidth from more memory channels but on the fastest consumer desktop CPUs (9950X and 285K) you don't have enough bandwidth nor CPU power to run LLMs that don't fit on your GPU.
If you're really about ML on the cheap you should be looking at the modded 4090s from China with 48GB of memory because the currently hot models just BARELY don't fit on the 5090's 32GBs or ironically Apple stuff because you can get a 64GB M4 Max $2500 Mac or even less if you go for older chips which is peanuts compared to what nvidia at that capacity costs. It's not as fast but way faster than running on CPU.
or just use the smaller models which are almost as good tb.h

Thinking of making a new rig since my current PC has been misbehaving for the past couple months. Been considering dipping my toes into 1440p, but I'm not sure about the spec requirements, reckon a 9600x and 9060xt are enough, or should I aim for a slightly better CPU?

>>718366448
You should aim for a better Nvidia GPU and stick with that CPU

>>718359517
I chuckled

>>718364302
Idk i saw this post that this is the minimum for 4k60 on ultra high settings.

I plan on saving up 2k for a build but unsure what to spend it on, I want to get a 1200w psu plat for sure though just for future proofing.
>>718364491
>>718363938
>>718360521
I want 4k because I've been waiting for a build that runs it since 2015 when 4k was first pushed, it's been a damn decade. I'm not going to "1440p" It's either 4k or nothing. I'm getting a 4k monitor soon too. So fuck excuses. the time for 4k is now.

>>718357478 (OP)
9800x3d
5080
don't settle for less

>>718358223
LMAO. I saw a face too.
Now you made me remember Superjail. I gotta rewatch it soon.

>>718357478 (OP)
>pre built

>>718359517
kek

>>718366696
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fmhWqH
Here's a comparison if you pick the parts yourself. I don't recommend prebuilts because they often cut corners on the motherboard and PSU. Also, unless you're planning to upgrade to an RTX 6090 or something, 1000w should be more than enough

>>718368259
how do you remove parts, I already have a 2tb nvme ssd and a great case (corsair 4000D)

>>718368805
Just click "edit this part list" and remove it

a small factor pc is probably going to be my goal for my next build.

>>718357478 (OP)
>Storage: 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 TLC
Samsung has a 4tb for about $250

>>718360230
I'm never going back to HDD. The drives would go to "sleep" when not in use, and pretty much slow down the entire PC when they try to wake up, but they never wake up. I'd have to restart my PC every time I wanted to access them.

>>718368128
Tons of people killed their CPU by forgetting to put on thermal paste, removing plastic covering, or even bending pins.

I accidentally killed a card reader by plugging it into the mobo backwards.

>>718369124
It's not good to put terabytes on anime on an SSD. They have a lifespan and rewriting it constantly shortens it.

>>718359517
>you want me to run THAT SLOP?

>>718357478 (OP)
that ram is so crappy for ryzen. you're bottlenecking your 5070ti to 5060ti.

>>718369285
Video games are getting bigger and bigger every year. You're going to be installing and uninstalling a lot on that one SSD. As for me I only DL stuff I like which means it's very unlikely I'll keep rewriting over it.

what are you losing out on by going with matx instead of full atx? do you have to measure the gpu first to make sure it fits?

>>718369278
we have chatgpt now unc

>>718357478 (OP)
This will run Stalker 2. 1440 at 60 fps.

>>718357478 (OP)
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd never buy no name Chinese components like these prebuilts usually come with. Spend a bit more on name brand parts for your less flashy items, like SSDs, PSUs, and RAM.

>>718357478 (OP)
>good enough for 4K
at 2030 it will become a 1080p build

>>718357478 (OP)
Looks pretty good, but forget about the 4K meme

>>718362764
Where you able to run Wilds without DLSS and Framegen though?

>>718366696
>I want 4k because I've been waiting for a build that runs it since 2015 when 4k was first pushed, it's been a damn decade. I'm not going to "1440p" It's either 4k or nothing. I'm getting a 4k monitor soon too. So fuck excuses. the time for 4k is now.
Yeah it makes sense if you're an artist playing with blender or photoshop or after effect, but if youre buying 4k monitor in order to play video games you dont need it, seriously.
You dont need to play triple A video games in highest quality in 4k monitor, you can do the same thing in 2k, 1440p, even 1080p monitor. The game will stay the same, the content is all the same

>>718369492
Any game bigger than 100GB is not worth playing.
I will argue the cutoff is around 50GB even.

>>718370624
>2k
fun fact, that's just what 4k should be actually named, dumb nigger
agree with the rest of your statement tho

>>718362375
>Home is riddled to the brim with telemetry and ads.
like the Pro isn't
there's a bunch of differences like RDP server on Pro but telemetry and ads aren't one of them

>>718357478 (OP)
>>718370624
>4k
>5070ti
Nope, if you really want to play at 4K you need 5090. With a 5070ti you'll want to stick to 1440p, 5080 isn't worth it either play 1440p with 5070ti or break the bank and go for 5090. If 5090 is too expensive then 4K gaming is currently too expensive for you. 5070ti will be good for AI gen though, I even used to gen on 2070 before upgrading to this

>>718357478 (OP)
>using windows in 2025
enjoy losing all your files

>You need a 5080 for 4K gaming!
...then how come people were buying 3080s years ago for 4k gaming? Fucking retarded take.

What kind of man buys a prebuilt PC?

>>718373245
zoomers

>>718373245
Me but I chose every component myself. It's just not worth the time and effort

>>718373245
If you can get one on sale it's legitimately cheaper than building one yourself, not everyone lives near a microcenter to have the same deals on individual parts.
The only difference is the hassle of reinstalling windows to get rid of the bloatware.

I bought a pre-built PC on Black Friday back in 2019 before PC prices skyrocketed thanks to Bidenomics. The same PC parts now would cost me 3x the money. Since then I've only upgraded the GPU and powersupply.

>>718357478 (OP)
>5070ti
>when 5080s is around the corner
>no name cat in the bag PSU
>No name cat in the bag memory
>no name cat in the bag motherboard
>shitty peripherals

No.

>>718373217
I hope you're trolling and didn't seriously type this shit out and thought it was a gotcha

>>718374061
You seem to be a delusional retard
>4K gaming didn't exist before January 2025

>>718357478 (OP)
>>>/g/pcbg

>>718357478 (OP)
>Fell for the Nvidia 5000 series.

Lmao just get a 4090

>>718373245
No man at all

>>718369557
Less m.2 slots I guess, maybe bandwidth lane issues.

>>718358075
It genuinely does not matter if the other parts are decently priced, even if you take into account all the parts where the manufacturer is clearly saving costs like a chink shit motherboard, mismatching ram and a dubious looking PSU and of course the temu peripherals. All of these are super cheap to replace.

Good motherboards with a A5 socket are cheap since most people prefer Jewtel.
You are spot on about the ram, I got one of these and the main problem is that the ram (Corsair which is a reputable brand) the ram did not match the motherboard model but it cost about $200 to replace and upgrade to 64 and I could had just

The SSD and the Power Supply can be the worst parts and even then a 2TB SSD is not expensive either.
The PSU might be fucking trash but /g/ likes to pretend anything below a Gold rating is a fire hazard waiting to happen.

If you got literally nothing you can immediately upgrade, it is not a bad trade, and you are correct. OP can expect a performance worse than building his own but it is a good starting point. The case often than not is utter shit but again, nothing you cannot replace overtime.

>NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti
>which model?
I think you mean manufacturer and Zotac is the worst you can encounter.
HP and Acer are the ones that use some weird foxcomm shit GPUs not available to the general public and are produced for pre-builds specifically. If you mean broadband the op already said 16GB which is generous given most commercial prebuilds are 12GB

>>718369557
first of all, it's the other way around, matx is the standard now while full atx is non-standard and will not fit most cases, even if they explicitly claim it fits fatx
second, it used to be you lose out on most functionality, but these days you lose out at most 2 pcie slots (that let's be real you will never use, and most matx have 2 slots anyway) and your nvme slots go from 3-4 to 1-2 (and you are also not going to use more than one either)

>>718375551
>I could had just send it back to the seller
I did not catch that got erased or something.
As for the PSU, that is an expensive part if you do not want to deal with cable management.
Modular PSUs are awesome.

I remember when people bought pre-builds simply because it was impossible to find a reasonably priced GPU in 2020, some people even bought an Xbox series X because the Ps5 was shorted.

That said the 5000 series are fucking trash if you ask me, incompatible with everything, lots of driver problems and the next series will likely be better learning with everything that went wrong with this series.

>>718369557
>do you have to measure the gpu first to make sure it fits?
oh and forgot to mention matx and fatx can house the exact same gpus because they literally use the same slots, you have less slots not different slots
what changes if your gpu fits or not is your case

>>718371220
You don't need a damn 5090 to play at 4K output. Leveraging DLSS4 upscaling at 4k gives you 4k-like image quality at twice the FPS. I play at DLSS Performance 4k with my 4080 super and it looks better than any form of 1440p while running better as well. Rendering full 4k is a massive case of diminishing returns and only makes sense if you've got spare headroom or have a 50 inch screen.

If you are not interested in using any kind of meme scaling like DLSS then don't buy an RTX or RX9000 GPU, the hardware and these cards is literally configured for meme scaling. Get a 7900xtx.

>>718375696
I dislike MATX because you run into issues with thermals since everything is so tightly packed plus cable management and maintenance is arduous when you have little space to maneuver.

>>718373245
Lazy people, which is exactly why I'm considering getting one.

>>718376046
You're going to be using that thing for years, the least you can do is ensure your investment lasts. A cheap tool can turn out to be a very expensive tool.

>>718376356
Yeah, I know. I said "considering" for a reason. I just find actually doing research on what's good and not while I second guess everything I do to be annoying. On top of that, I don't trust myself at all to actually build the fucking thing. Taking the easy way out seems really nice, even if I know it's going to bite me in the ass later on.

>>718375551
>It genuinely does not matter if the other parts are decently priced
the parts are also decently priced if you build it yourself
>I think you mean manufacturer and Zotac is the worst you can encounter
i mean both manufacturer and model

>>718369090
annoying to build / upgrade bit by bit

>>718375706
fuck nvidia, they're an AI company now
my 4080 super lasted barely a year before it started crashing multiple times a day
back to AMD, shouldn't have gave leatherjacketman a chance

>>718369090
Don't, maintaining one is a goddamn nightmare even without pets, without smoking, and while constantly cleaning your shit.

>>718369278
>Tons of people killed their CPU by forgetting to put on thermal paste
coolers come with preapplied toothpaste already, how does this happen?
of course I remove it and use mine but it should work as is anyway

>>718378306
many CPU coolers do not come with pre-applied thermal compound

Is PC building a good side hustle? I'm thinking of selling mATX builds for birthday boys, fresh graduates or aspiring streamers. My target performance is anything that can run Fortnite or Valorant at 1440p 90 FPS.

>>718380279
SHiN.........

>>718380502
Anon...................................................

>>718358075
>timings? brand?
It's fucking bargain bin RAM with those speeds. You can get 32 GB of 6000 MegaTrannies for 100€ these days.

>>718380957
yeah i mean of course it is
probably some crucial shit
i'm trying to get OP to use his brain for once

>>718380553
Made for BWC

I think i regret the AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU combo, I've had nothing but problems since getting it. Something about my current setup is causing every fucking game to crash and I'm sick of it since i literally have no idea why it's happening. It's worse because standard benchmarking programs cannot bring the faults out. I just have to open the right game for everything to screw up. I'm sick of games crashing and I'm sick of having no answers.

If PC gaming was so idiot proof then why does this happen? why do unexplainable errors in search results exist?

Also its my first time going team red in a while for CPUs on that note. Yet AMD lead the market now. I have to wonder which one it is. AMD having some fraudulent lead because their chips are full of so many errors, or it's Nvidia making bad GPUs.

>>718383265
DDU

>>718383552
Done, to no success.
Update bios, update chipset drivers. I have no idea why its happening. The only route left is full windows reinstall, but i doubt that would do much either. It's gotta be hardware related.

>>718383670
Oh, I know what it is
It's you RAM, you've OC'd it haven't you

>>718357729
3.5k is like 1 week of work for me

>>718383265
>I think i regret the AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU combo, I've had nothing but problems since getting it
many, many people are running this combo without issues
what "standard benchmarking programs" did you use?

>>718384343
I bet he got XMP RAM instead of EXPO and is OCing it with compatibility issues

>>718383835
I turned on the expo profile, but even when turning it off it solved none of my issues.

>>718369090
>a small factor pc
I fell for this meme too. Bad ventilation, expensive mini itx boards, noisy 90mm cpu fans, restricted gpu length. And like other anons said, changing components is very annoying due to the limited space, so most of the time you end up disassembling the whole PC to change a fucking fan.

>>718384343
3D Mark is a good one for finding instability usually on GPUs at least. I think i recall running furmark once, but may need to do so again to make sure.

>>718383370
I've been using AMD ryzen CPUs since the 2700X and they have been great to me.
It's probably an issue with Nvidia drivers they've been shit ever since the 5000 series came out.

>>718384426
Well then, I guess check event viewer and see where the issue start and time to RMA a faulty part

>>718384423
XMP and EXPO is the same thing
but he should of course do an hour of y-cruncher VT3 and an hour of OCCT RAM test or something similar

>>718384550
>XMP and EXPO is the same thing
Different profiles for compatibility is the difference usually
Random crashes are usually a RAM issue if it's doing it during games

>>718357478 (OP)
I have almost the same specs, only amd 9070xt gpu instead of the nvidia one and 2T ssd. Runs 1440p (i don't have a 4k monitor) without a problem. It will cost around 3.5k usd though...

>>718384640
>Different profiles for compatibility is the difference usually
that's not how it works, it just configures the RAM speed and the primary timings
i believe EXPO has support for more subtimings but no RAM manufacturer is going to bother setting those
it's the same thing, XMP is trademarked by intel so AMD created their own alternative
>Random crashes are usually a RAM issue if it's doing it during games
or a CPU issue... or NVIDIA driver issues... or the GPU isn't fully seated in the PCIe slot... or the power connector isn't fully seated...

but reddit said building a PC is just like building LEGOs

>>718384641
You paid about 2k USD too much.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9dY4fd

>>718365490
>RAM is irrelevant for LLMs because running them on the CPU is extremely slow.
You couldn't be more wrong. The current meta is running massive Mixture of Experts models split between CPU and video card, like GLM 4.5 air.

>>718358038
At this point anyone wanting to buy should Wait for the supers.

>>718360871
poorfag

>>718384791
>that's not how it works
>Proceeds to talk about profiles
Anon, cmon now
Also RAM and Drivers is just usually the first port of call, especially if everything is working well otherwise

you should only buy a prebuilt if you manage to catch some kind of flashsale that's deeply discounted and you know enough to identify it being the exception to the rule. if you're just buying vanilla you're going to get ripped off.

>>718385407
I think I remember people buying prebuilts during the chip shortage because the GPU's and CPU's were cheaper in them than buying individually

>>718384853
Not from the US but the tariffs here are really bad and no body sells at msrp so its not like I had a choice really...

>>718384550
Issue is that stock ram values still getting crashes in specific games, so i don't know if it's overclocked ram as my issue. Although i would like to find a test that leverages both cpu and RAM. Then it might be easier to figure out the culprit if you can both put them in the worst scenarios simultaneously. An average torture test might not be able to make it as easy to find or something. But I'll take your suggestions of VY-Cruncher VT3 and OCCT.

As for the gpu end of things: i get no crashes in 3Dmark in their tests like Speedway and Port Royal. Which seem to be the best DX12 stress testing programs. Furmark is a little more basic and i don't think replicates realistic in game scenarios as much as those do, and it's not as good at crashing as those ones do it since they use raytracing and lots of resource intensive things. So at least they're good for finding instability with tensor cores.

should i buy a 4080 ?

>>718386518
>Although i would like to find a test that leverages both cpu and RAM
OCCT has a combined CPU+RAM test
i would both run that on all cores and set it to cycle between the cores individually
both prime95 large FFTs and y-cruncher VT3 should be pretty heavy on the CPU as well
>As for the gpu end of things: i get no crashes in 3Dmark in their tests like Speedway and Port Royal
OCCT has a "variable" GPU test that clocks the card up and down based on load
it also scans for artifacts

hope you can solve your issue because it seems like you've at least exercised due diligence

>>718387054
>should I buy three years old card
Unc...

>>718387054
If you can find it cheap, sure

>>718387259
i mean i currently have a 3090 which is even older
>>718387327
my local microcenter has them for $879

>>718387474
Then definitely not

>>718387236
>both prime95 large FFTs and y-cruncher VT3 should be pretty heavy on the CPU as well
Thanks. Is there anything to change in the options that is important? instruction set for example? ill switch it to core cycling. Just need to know if there's any important parameters.

>>718387998
>instruction set for example?
no, leave it at defaults
do auto/all core first
then do core cycling

>>718388056
Alright thanks, I'll do 1 hour each respectively then with each option. With prime 95 large FFTs is there any fields or parameters i need to enter there? I've read that's the hardest test to pass from what I've searched on it, so i might leave that one going overnight when I'm in bed.

>>718388408
>With prime 95 large FFTs is there any fields or parameters i need to enter there?
no, just select torture test -> large FFTs
>so i might leave that one going overnight when I'm in bed
honestly i feel like leaving large FFTs running overnight would be a huge waste of power
i don't even push my system that hard when doing RAM OC, i do one hour of large FFTs, one hour of VT3 and 8-12 hours of testmem5
at stock i would be satisfied with like, 30 minutes of each, but i understand if you want to test for longer since you're having weird issues

>>718357478 (OP)
Barely squeezes past the playable line at 4K with path tracing.
If you care about being able to play the games of the future (path traced) then you should seriously consider waiting another gen. Otherwise your system will do fine on rasterized games at 4K, just you will be stuck in the past.

>>718389431
Anon pls

>>718357478 (OP)
>5070
>Muh 4k
Anon 5090s aren't enough for 4k

>>718389528
Nobody with a 4K monitor runs modern games at native 4K, there's basically no reason to unless you have a lot of spare headroom left.

>>718389840
>Nobody with a 4K monitor runs modern games at native 4K
Yeah that was my point thanks. 4k is STILL a fucking meme