Thread 718364846

>only playable if you use sensor and "exp to all" hack
what is wrong with milenials? they played this shit back there and act like it's great

that game is rock paper scissors in disguise

>>718364846 (OP)
Go play whatever shit you retarded zoomers like then

>>718365052
I'm glad I'm a zoomer imagine playing shit games back there and acting like it was peak lol

>>718365095
You cant hurt my feelings you zoomie faggot. You and your trash taste not liking older games makes me happy in fact

>>718365095
why are you laughing no one cares man youre too old for this shit go get attention from your parents the normal way instead of this weird shit youre a grown ass woman now

>>718365095
it's not about being a zoomer/boomer/millennial or whatever. it's about having good or shit taste. Op clearly has the latter

>>718364846 (OP)
I just would just grind and level everyone

For my first playthrough as a kid I didn’t really grind at all and mostly leaned on the Summons to beat it.

>>718364846 (OP)
>milenials
They're literate, for one thing. Fucking leeneeals.

>>718365313
>I just would just grind and level everyone
that's why the exp to all hack exist why would I care to keep switching characters in every fight, disgusting mechanic

>>718365421
There is literally no downside to switching during battle what the fuck is your issue?

>>718365421
90% of the normal battles were really easy aside from maybe 3 mandatory ones.
The dragon fight, Seymour on the mountain where he can zombify you, and then yunalesca

>>718364846 (OP)
>exp to all hack
what the fuck are you talking about

>>718365502
>There is literally no downside
the mechanic is dumb anon, it feels like the combat is incomplete so they added this to make it seem more substantial, but is a simple and boring addition that only worsens the experience

>>718366048
I got behind on levels (the most fun place to be) and so the whole ending from Zanarkand on was hard

I got behind on levels because of not switching during random battles. So do some of that for a good time.

>>718366301
there is a mod that makes all characters, even those not used in battles, receive XP.

>>718364846 (OP)
this girl fucking kills that shitty game

>>718366497
buy an ad

>>718366497
I didn't play Expedition 33 and have zero interest in ever doing so.

>>718366357
It's not incomplete, its the opposite of incomplete. Before ffx, in ff7 for example, you had to pick 2 people for your party. And you couldnt switch easily. So those 2 got so much ahead in terms of xp that whatever 2 you settled with was what you were gonna use for the rest of the game.
Meanwhile in ffx you can not only use them all in battle without a downside, they made it so that each member has a specific role that is useful in battle.
Yuna summons, heals and buffs.
Wakka is good vs flyers.
Lulu deals with physical resit enemies.
Auron deals with armoured enemies.
Tidus is hasty.
Khimari is an "enemy skill" bot.
Everyone has a use, and part of the fun is exactly that. You actually get to use the entire roster for once

why the fuck isnt there a hack or mod to give easy max Fury stacks?

>>718366774
just get a mod that plays the game for you, how about that?

>>718366690
>So those 2 got so much ahead in terms of xp that whatever 2 you settled with was what you were gonna use for the rest of the game.

anon, in ff7 every character can do everything, if I picking tifa and barret it's because I want to use them until the end of their journey

>Everyone has a use, and part of the fun is exactly that. You actually get to use the entire roster for once

yeah, i'ts rock paper scissors lol, they added another counter mechanic on top of the elemental mechanic

I'm gonna pretend you're trolling

yeah im not gonna get stigmata and loosen my analog stick for a shitty overdrive. would rather have a mod that gives it for free.

>>718364846 (OP)
>relying on any of that
Just switch the members out like the game incentivizes you to do anyway. They all get XP that way. And fuck Kimahri. You only need to grind a little for gagazet. And I can't recall relying on sensor at all. This is one of the smoothest niggas in a row game. How is anyone having trouble with it?

>>718366942
>Just switch the members out like the game incentivizes
>just play the retard mechanic that adds nothing better to the experience

exp to all is probably the gayest shit to ever happen to rpgs.
Oh you don't want to engage with the genre mechanics? How about play something more your speed? Like CoD or Fifa.

>>718366874
>in ff7 every character can do everything
Correct, and that's worse. They have no real gameplay "personality". Here each has a defined role that you can also tune up with expert grid obviously.
E33 does something similar

>>718366654
>>718366661
You two are virgins and fucking losers.

Play expedition 33. Do it for Maelle.

people caring about how others play their game is the gayest shit ever.

>>718367016
Might as well complain you have to take a second to go down and select Item to use an item. The gameplay. The game isn't even designed to require you to optimize your team unless you want to do endgame shit like the arena monsters.

>>718364846 (OP)
FFX is pretty much the best turn based game of all time. I haven't played E33 so it could have (finally) been dethroned, but from what I've heard about that one, it's not even really turn based since you're constantly acting on the enemy's turn.
I fucking love FFX.
I love the sphere grid.
I love the free character switching.
I love the turn order preview.
I love that game so damn much.

>>718367170
This, the tag team system is basically turn based rpg at it's peak

>>718367052
>Correct, and that's worse. They have no real gameplay "personality".
No, it's not worse, it's better because as a player I can give the characters the personality I want.
I can't make Wakka a lurer with a high chance of evasion while he destroys aerial enemies. The characters are very stuck in what they do. You have seven characters, and at no point will you need all of their mechanics to progress at any point.

I'm convinced all the retards that worship FF10 didn't actually complete the game because nothing on earth could make that sphere grid grind or those godawful side quests produce this reaction.

>>718367170
The turn order preview is so god damn important and everybody else is fucking up not making it standard

>>718366497

this ue5 asset flip piece of shit would not exist without ffx

>>718364846 (OP)
just swap em out like a man, it takes literally half a second. You don't need xp for all hack.

>>718367052
NTA, but exp33 is actually the opposite, all characters have basic abilities such as reducing HP to 1 and an ultimate ability. The game shines in terms of builds because you can create countless ones, you can transform each character into whatever you want, and there are so many possibilities with pictos and luminas. Add that to the attributes and effects of weapons, which is why the game gives you so many stones to reset attributes and abilities.

>>718367525
What grind? The sphere grid is linear as fuck unless you do the expert mode

>>718367867
>just swap em out like a man, it takes literally half a second
oh a swap combat mechanic, how fun is that

>>718367131
Why would I play a game recommended by someone insulting me? Fuck off, offtopic faggot.

>>718367732
>everybody else is fucking up not making it standard
This line of thinking only results in the homogenization of genres. "Imperfect information" is one of the main things that makes strategy games enjoyable, and it's not about providing the exact same imperfect info to players, but which imperfect info you provide and how the player can strategize around it. Standardizing something like this ultimately results in the "parry effect" where a trendy feature gets driven into the ground and starts to lose the very thing that makes it interesting in the first place as more games implement it "because it's standard" without ever considering what makes it strategically interesting to begin with.

>>718367998
your mind has been RAPED by tik tok if swapping out a character has you this pressed

>>718366690
There's actually not many games where that's an issue as party member swapping didn't even exist all the way up to FFV and basically went away again after XIII, and FFVIII has level scaling because you are constantly using arbitrary party combinations so it's only something of a VI/VII/IX/XIII issue to varying extents. Like you honestly could have removed one character and gone 5 niggas in a row like FFIV if X was 2D.

I think I would have liked XIII's system better if it swapped members when you paradigm shift like the monster slot in XIII-2 but obviously the plot made that unworkable.

>>718367525
side quests in ffx werent mechanically deep or satisfying necessarily but their ambiance and atmosphere were bar none

walking across the bridge to remiem temple the first time with the swiveling overhead pan and no music or exploring cavern of the stolen fayth with the billowing purple fumes and mystical bgm are hard to beat

much of the world aesthetically communicates a feeling of heavy spirituality, ritualism, reverence and occult that is very cool to experience

>>718368050
Anon, if I'm playing the game without the hack I'll be playing a swap game disguised as a JRPG.
There's always a battle going on and the number of enemies always varies, the time I waste switching characters is exponential and it ends up making the game just that, a character swapping game, which is tiring.

>>718368216
You don't need to swap for every battle anyways, just bosses it's a good idea to.

>>718368265
then at some point I'll need to grind weak useless characters that are in fact not useless until that boss, the mechanic is flaw, the game is so much better with the "exp to all" mod

It's ironic that FFX is a game criticising blind faith in something when most of its fans are like that just because of its reputation lmao

It's amazing the consistency with which people desperate enough to post on an English website without being able to speak English have absolutely nothing worthwhile to post.

>>718365095
Back where, ESL-kun? What is this mysterious location you refer to?

>>718368029
parrying has NEVER made a game worse

>>718368414
Why are zoomers so scared of direct replying? It's okay buddy, it's an anonymous board, I'm not going to hurt you.

>>718364846 (OP)
>needs exp to all hack
literal fucking moron
i don't even know what sensor is, but i'm going to go ahead and say it's something retarded like a mod so make it so you always see the enemies weakness when that is A FUCKING AFFIX ON YOUR ITEMS FOR A REASON ANYWAY
i hate your retarded ass, you shouldn't be allowed to play video games fuck off with your bait posts

>>718364846 (OP)
>itt: 35 year olds pretend to be 13 year olds to shit talk other 35 year olds
We've reached levels of weirdness that should never exist.

How has nobody noticed the FFX spammer

Any mechanic in a jrpg that isn't auto attacking and occasionally healing for free causes immense confusion and existential panic

>>718366690
>in ff7 for example, you had to pick 2 people for your party. And you couldnt switch easily. So those 2 got so much ahead in terms of xp that whatever 2 you settled with was what you were gonna use for the rest of the game.

Wrong. All characters get EXP, the active party members just get some more. Even if you only used 2 characters for your party, the rest of characters would be lagging behind 2 levels tops until you reach lvl 70s by which time you already are strong enough to beat regular story, not counting the boost Safer Sephiroth gets when you reach even higher levels.

>>718364846 (OP)
You're a retarded faggot
also this >>718371441

>>718371997
>the rest of characters would be lagging behind 2 levels tops
complete horseshit
yes, people in reserve still get some xp, but it is not enough to keep them 2 levels behind that is just an insane lie for no reason lmao
you can easily pull in people 10+ levels lower
not that it matters, that's not how people play these games they do not switch members even if the xp was equalized they still would not
in jrpgs people pick a party and stick with it, they may experiment with each new character a bit but ultimately they stick to one party
which is why ffx was designed the way it was, your "one party" is the full party because you can switch them on the fly in any fight on any turn meaning most players in ffx did not only use 3 characters for 99% of the game, they used all of them in a variety of situations that the characters were designed to be useful for individually
the design is objectively good

>>718371997
The only benefit having different members in the active party is learning Limit Breaks and Vincent's ultimate weapon dealing more damage baded on the number of enemies he kills. Also some character weapons have gimmick like Tifa's dealing more damage the more status effects she's under and one of Vincent's weapon having 100% Deathblow accuracy. Also Yuffie's ultimate weapon dealing 100% damage on Morph makes her good for Morph farming

>>718372251
You play your way. Usually people switch characters. I do after every dungeon. Just stop lying in internet. You can say what yiu do but never bring out imaginary majority because it just indicates you are insecure and don't feel comfortable talking for yourself.

>>718372387
>>718372326
>>718372251
Cloud, Cid and Barret have the best multi-hit limit breaks so if you only cared about dealing with Weapons without KoTR spam and just do them with Limit Breaks and Counter Attacks, Cloud, Cid and Barret are your dream team. But in the end it doesn't matter that much because the exp lag is not a real thing.

>>718364846 (OP)
i was a literal preteen retard and i beat the game several times before learning what either of those were because tidus gets haste. you not only didn't play the game, you're fucking retarded.

>>718372516
Oh yeah and of course 4xCut materia and maybe Slash All. Also for Ruby Weapon you can use W-Item glitch to copy Dazers to keep it paralyzed

>>718367525
newsflash faggot: those aren't required elements of interaction to complete the game. it's piss easy. you didn't play it, you're retarded. fuck you.

>>718372651
NTA but when you say complete the game did you mean "complete the story" or did you mean completing all challenges up to Penance?

>>718372720
>retard is trying to equate 100%ing the game with completeing it
you are so retarded, you are a baby.

>>718372738
So you meant "completing the story"? Because the post-story content is huge with the celestial weapons, Omega Dungeon, Monster Arena and Dark Aeons and Penance

>>718372793
you are so retarded, you are a baby.

>>718364846 (OP)
Filtered

>>718373061
Completing the story doesn't mean completing the game. I'm sure you can clarify whether you meant completing the story or completing the game.

>>718366489
Sounds like something a BITCH would cook up.

>>718366942
>And fuck Kimahri
If you get steal on him you can steal like 20 lvl 3 spheres or some shit in the fight.

>>718373161
>he's still conflating completion with completionism even though it doesn't even make a point or give him an advantage in the percieved argument
literally no one in the history of ever besides (You) have done this. you are so retarded, you are a baby.

>>718373309
That's very niche advantage. In the end game you use Wakka, Tidus, Rikku and Yuna. Yuna for her summons, Tidus, Wakka and Rikku for Overdrives and Mix. Lulu, Auron and Kimahri fall behind because they don't have good multi hit Overdrives or other utility. Their only utility is be Overdrive gauge banks to Rikku, Tidus and Wakka with Entrust, which gives one characters' limit gauge to other.

>>718373357
Are you afraid to admit you meant "completing the story" when you said "completing the game"?

>>718373440
literally no one disguinshes these two in this manner. literally everyone understand "completing the game" as "beating the game" as "seeing the end credits." you are being intentionally obtuse and you can go fuck yourself like the retarded baby you are.

>>718364846 (OP)
At some point I stop giving exp to Kimhari and Rikku. Once Auron learns armor break you can make Tidus and Wakka learn it with a copy sphere and never use Lulu again.
Even moments in the game where you have to use under leveled guys the game easy enough where you can get by.

>>718367921
It takes 200 hours of battling tonberries to finish the fucking thing. That grind.
>>718368185
Oh yeah dodging 200 lightning bolts and trying to win races with those janky chocobo controls was super atmospheric.
>>718372651
You don't even know what complete means you fucking cretin. If you didn't do everything in a game then you didn't complete it. Getting to the credits is not completion, it's any%.

>>718373489
I have always separated "completing the story" from "completing the game". I don't need to refer to imaginary majority.

>>718373489
>>718373548
you are also being intentionally obtuse and can go fuck your retarded baby self.

>>718373584
It's normal nomenclature and the standard usage of an English word. Get your braindead ESL ass out of this thread.

>>718373554
autism and being intentionally obtuse basically go hand in hand, so that tracks.

>>718373548
>It takes 200 hours of battling tonberries

Elaborate. I beat Penance and the only time I spent fighting Tonberries was when catching 10 of them for Monster Arena and it was less than 200 hours, less than 5 hours, most likely less than 2 hours. I admit the encounter rate for Tonberries was low but even then 200 hours sounds a strecth.

>>718373645
Also if you had some bribe or drop needs for Toneberries, once you catch one of them, you can simply fight them in Monster Arena.

>>718373628
yes, and as anyone is aware gamers are fucking illiterate and linguistic normalities obviously don't apply. "I completed" or "I beat" are effective synonmyous and if someone wants to be specific they will say "I got 100%," which I know you are aware of because you are being intentionally obtuse.

>>718373489
You are Dumb. Beating=/=Completing.
Completing doesn't mean 100%, but it does mean the majority of the sidequests.
If someone tried telling me they completed FF7 but didn't get omnislash because the battle arena is a sidequest I'd call them a retard.

>>718373781
and they would call you an autist. this doesn't change anything.

>>718373645
>>718373704
I didn't say beating penance, I said finishing the sphere grid. The monster arena is what I'm talking about.

Is there any point to engaging with the equipment/weapon modification system if you don't intend on doing every single optional end-game boss?

>>718373705
>"I completed" or "I beat" are effective synonmyous

No they aren't. Normal parlance has 'beat' or 'finished' for any% and 'completed' for 100%. Everyone fucking uses this, why are you pretending otherwise?

>>718373918
speedrunners aren't normal people, don't pretend like they are.

>>718368029
Turn order has NEVER made a game worse

>>718373781
NTA and I think it's easier to just say "Completing story" vs "Completing game". Cloud's Omnislash means you need to grind Battle Arena and in the first place to even have enough GP for the multiple trials in there without saving as when you leave the arena, you lose all accumulated Battle Points. To get enough GP you would need to either do enough Chocobo Races or meet the NPC at the gates of Gold Saucer to buy GP from. Already by that point you would be way past the needed strength to beat non-boosted Safer Sephiroth. People's first sight of Omnislash is the one Cloud does at the end of the game in the duel against Sephiroth as he uses it even if the player didn't get Omnislash normal way.

>>718373898
I think it's nice to get piercing on someone not Auron. The cost to customize equipment is not worth it for the main game. Stats from the Sphere grid is more than enough.

>>718373818
I would agree that they beat the game but not Completed it. Thats ok though, I don't think I've completed more then like 5-10 games. I've certainly beat thousands and that doesn't change the amount of fun or undermine my viewpoint unless your some 100% purist autistic faggot. We're just trying to be more precise in our communication.

>>718373898
In mid-story you can get weapons and abilities with Stone Touch which has nice potential against regular enemies. Also No-encounters on armor might give you some QoL improvement. The regular story doesn't demand you to do the customization but it is nice option to have.

One thing many players overlook is teaching spells to Aeons. It can give nice edge to have for example Bahamut able to heal itself or elemental Aeons hitting the enemy with elements the Aeons normally don't have

>>718373394
It doesn't take long to do so you might as well. Just get healing wind or whatever it is too and set his Overdrive to defensive so it builds while they attack you. It's free real estate.

>>718374045
fine but that doesn't change the fact that the game is piss easy to """""REACH THE END CREDITS OF""""" and the person complaining about fucking sidequests is 1000000% not representitive of the average 13 year old who played and absolutely enjoyed the game at the time.

>>718373979
Its actually way easier to get Omnislash at like lv 42 when you first get access to the Battle Arena, I think its level 48? that the monsters change up to engame stuff.
Just play some hoops or arm wresting for gil.

>>718374103
Agreed and my Kimahri knew Steal. But in the end it's just one battle and the rewards are something you'd get pretty soon after the fight anyways if you were completing the grid. I'm not saying it's not good. It simply just doesn't bring Kimahri to levels of Tidus, Wakka, Rikku and Yuna in utility.

>>718374105
>not representitive of the average 13 year old who played and absolutely enjoyed the game at the time
Sure but a game should be evaluated on all of its content. If you only rushed the main story quests then you're in a poor position to judge it, the same way you couldn't properly judge a movie if you only watched half of it.

>>718374173
Debatable. Requires grinding anyways. I'm suspicious of you being level 42 once getting Tiny Bronco though.

>>718374216
that is such a dishonest comparison it's not even funny. games give you agency in interaction, it's up to you to decide how much of it you want to play and it's up to you to decide how much you did or did not enjoy that particular segment of game. a movie does not give you agency in interaction. you consume a movie in one sitting (generally). don't be dense.

>>718374265
After you get Tiny Bronco you can reach east side of the Mideel island and fight 2nd Disc random enemies for easier grind and in few hours you can hit level 50s. It's grind nonetheless

>>718373394
>Auron
>Lulu
>don't have good multi hit Overdrives or other utility
nigga what

>>718374329
It's not remotely dishonest. Choose whatever object of judgement you like, if you didn't actually experience a portion of something then you can't judge the thing as a whole.

>>718374446
Auron doesn't have multi-hit Overdive, his only gimmik one is ejecting the enemy and it only works on random enemies. Lulu's multi-hit Overdrive is magical and doesn't deal as much as damage as Tidus' and Wakka's. Wakka's is best with 12 hits.

>>718373506
>never use Lulu again.
>ignoring the black mage who can learn double-cast with 1 mp cost and break damage limit
fucking stupid

>>718374105
Oh yea its piss easy to reach the end credits of. That doesnt change the fact that when I was 13 I probably spent 5-10 total hours just performing the swap PT member action, not including any other part of the battles. And the Chocobo race sidequest was shit. And the Butterflies were shit. And the Lightning Bolts were shit. Probably 30+ hours of chores I only enjoyed because I was still high off the enjoyment of the rest of the game.

You better believe when I played the remaster I used sensor and all exp mods. And I did try and fix the faces to look more like the PS2 but the engine is super borked. And you better believe I made my own custom Ultimate weapons and saveedit scummed all the spheres and whatnot I wanted instead of those stupid sidequests..

>>718365421
Casual detected.

>>718373506
You need Rikku for post-game with her Mix and her being needed for underwater fights

>>718374515
Double Cast and 1 mp cost are only viable for story content and you most likely won't reach them before finishing the story. For Monster Arena, Dark Aeons and Penance Double Cast and 1 mp cost do jack-shit. Lulu is cool! And I want her to be viable. She just isn't.

>>718366808
I get your sentiment but Fury is a controller Destroyer so I cant blame him for wanting to cheese it
They dont make them like they used to in the ps2 era, way more fragile
>>718367170
Having played both I consider it to be an 'of the era' thing
CO33 is only better because FFX came out 24 years ago and CO33 actually took a lot of great elements from old FF (speedbased turn system like ffx without an ATB, inverse gunblade mechanic for parries and dodges, ability learning through equiping pictos, etc etc) so it is quite literally standing on the shoulders of old FF and after playing it, that does not feel undeserved at all.
I agree with people that said this couldve been ff17 in a different timeline where they didnt go the action rpg route

>>718374610
if we're talking about optional super boss autism, it's all about equipment anyway and what the characters actually do is pretty much irrelevant

I've been playing through the original FF games for the first time over the last few months, nearing the end of VI.
Kind of scared to be moving onto the 3D era, they look weird and different. I'd kind of gotten settled into the 2D formula.

>>718374808
As I said 1MP Cost and Double Cast are good for story content but by the time you finish the story you most likely havent reached them. I can give you concession that they are good for Omega Dungeon too before hitting the extra strong Monster Arena enemies but then again, just one dungeon. So in the end, again, they are cool but quickly fall back in terms of utility and needs. And it's a shame because I like Lulu and I wished she'd stay relevant other than being Overdrive gauge bank with Entrust.

>>718364846 (OP)
>only playable if you use sensor and "exp to all" hack
i cleared ffx earlier this year and i have no idea what you are talking about here

>>718374808
No. You want multi-hit limit breaks, Yuna's aeons for taking unavoidable damage and Rikku's mix. Everyone gets Quick Hit which trumps spell casting because it lets you take your next turn faster. Kimahri, Lulu and Auron's only purpose at the post story content is being the overdrive provider. If you want to use them for anything other than that, feel free, but you are just gimping yourself.

>>718364846 (OP)
linearslop, maybe justified if you only had this on console. I do not support

>>718375205
Normally in FFX only characters who performed action in battle get EXP. There was this one autistic anon in past thread who said he NEEDS to rotate all characters for each battle so that he wouldn't miss EXP. EXP All mod seems to give the EXP for everyone even if they didn't participate.

For Sensor i think it's the skill that lets you see enemies stats. I guess Sensor mod lets you see them without using the action.

Needless to say, those mods seems to be for "modern gamers".

>>718375742
Big ups for informing me anon, thanks!

>>718373506
>not using Lulu

>>718375919
's breasts for daily paizuris

>>718364924
Thanks for reminding me. I was considering a playthrough after 20 years.

>>718374808
>it's all about equipment anyway and what the characters actually do is pretty much irrelevant
completely false
rikku is essential because of mix
wakka is essential because he has the most damaging overdrive with slots
tidus is good dps out of all the others with his multi hit overdrive
yuna uses summons to eat a hit that would kill important members or you make a mistake and need a get out of jail free card

the others have no real use because when you max out stats or even just get very high stats in general the only difference to damage is your overdrives just like FF7 with limit breaks deciding who the best party members are

I only realized Rikku was Yunas cousin at the very end when they literally spit it out.

>>718376261
Rikku and Yuna should practice kissing with each other under Lulu's supervision

>>718375742
One quick thing on Sensor. Its not an action, but you would be required to keep a weapon with a Slot with Sensor in the party. And weapons have 1-4 slots for buffs.
And if you don't do the party swap thing, you'll have underleveled characters, and like anon said this is rock paper scissors, and you'll have to grind that character anyways.

>>718376261
what the fuck

>>718377231
>And if you don't do the party swap thing, you'll have underleveled characters

False. Each new area gives new stronger enemies that yield more EXP. Even if you didn't use a character for one area, they quickly level up to the levels of the rest as they needed for it. The EXP miss thing is completely autistic thing to worry about and it's all because, yeah, characters taking actions get EXP so your average /v/ autist feels compulsive need to let every character get that bit of EXP.

>>718377254
I remember rikku hugging yuna or something like that when rikku joins the party mid-game but thats about it.

it pretty much boils down to being "optimal". You'd use more time to let everyone to get the same EXP via character swap. If you played it normally, you'd get through the areas and get levels lot faster but it's the fear of "missing out" on opitmal play. So you go through more time and effort because of your autism just for the exact same results

>>718364846 (OP)
this game is the nortubel of final fantasy

>>718377463
Battles take 65 seconds. Adding swaps adds 30-35 seconds.
Or you can enter that new area with the weak Char, which you will have to swap in, hit, and swap out so they dont die. Then spend 3 minutes hitting the enemy extra time healing etc. making battles like like 4 mins for like 30 mins until the char is caught up.
Or just add in allexp. You'll prolly have to add in some spheres though through save edits because it waswnt designed around it.
Congratz on being ineffiecient.

I don't subscribe to your autistic views on how to play video games

>>718377773
If couple levels difference makes the character too underleveled for you, you are not only autist but also bad at the game

>>718377773
Why don't you use the turbo feature when you need to grind a few levels like every one else?

>>718377773
dont level them until you want to use them then, I literally never run khimari and its a non issue. It takes fuck all time if for some reason you think you're forced to level someone.

>>718367131
that game is literally FF13 in a new skin. fuck that shit

We have reached the point when JRPGs are too hard for anons and they defend inefficent grinding

>>718365095
You faggots can't stop giving money to gacha games and just play dumb gay shit with no gameplay
Zoomers saying that something is bad means nothing, because we've seen the shit they think is good

>>718377832
I think its most apparent when your otw to fight sin with all the mecha and you start running into elementals. If Lulu is too weak she wont live long and it'll be annoying to get her up to level because you cant utalize her and level her at the same time, as she'll die if left in battle

>>718377871
>just fast forward through the game and do the same thing 3x the amount instead of making it more fun for yourself

is the "exp for all" mod just a remaster thing, or would it work for the international version of ps2?

The 2000s tropical beach aeasthetic will never be topped. The water crysral sword is just pure MTV spring break kino.

>>718378065
Wrong. The stat difference would be 200-600 in HP. If that big HP difference with characters with 2000-4000HP makes the character die in one hit, you are bad at the game

When I first played FFs I would blaze through them and have to worry about resources like MP recovery and tents. Nowadays you can see how easy they are even without excessive grinding. The number autism and "underlevelled" are copes of retards.

>>718364846 (OP)
Corridor fantasy X was never good, only PS2 babies pretend it is.

>>718378328
HP, DEF, DMG. It's 100% manufactured timewaster to get you to spend more time in the game and not for a good or enjoyable reason. The rock paper sicssors is designed to get you to 70-80% of goalpoints on the sphere grid matching the storyline and then force you to grind to continue.

Yes, mages are weak and die easy, have you never played a JRPG? Are people so fucking braindead that a party member dying during a JRPG battle makes you a BAD player? Did people not death shuffled through boss fights or some shit?

>>718366690
You mean every char just uses quick attack each round, so much fun and variety bros.

>>718378736
You are the one having problem with your Lulu being "underlevelled"

>>718364846 (OP)
Clair Obscur mogs it and it's not even close

>>718378736
You can't switch KO'd party members. They need to be active to switch

>>718378853
lol
lmao

>>718378853
woooooowww it was "mogged" 24 fucking years later

>>718378817
I'm not. It just a function of JRPG's and rng that when you are catching up underleveled chars, with maybe no gear. they are probably going to die in battle a few times.
Instead of juggling them in and out and raising them and running back to a place to rest and party swapping, etc. I'd rather exp all.

>stating he needs to let everyone get the same exp or else he's underleveled
>his bossfights consists of him continously dying and getting his shit pushed in by random enemies

So you don't only do excessive levelling but you also find a fucking JRPG hard despite grinding

>>718379067
I get it. I too taught Yuna the black magic spells so didn't really have reason to use Lulu other than looking at her tits.

>>718379067
>no gear
You get the gear from chests and monster drops. Whether you use the character or not doesn't affect whether they have good enough gear or not

>>718379106
Who said anything about excessive leveling? How do you get: "He must grind alot" from: "I dont like to grind and I often scrape by boss fights by the skin of my teeth?"
Why would I care about all exp if I just turned on autobattle and 3x for an hour in the beginning so I could blind attack through every battle. Heck why would I not just saveedit my chars to level 50 and set invince mode or some BS.

>>718379461
Oh, sorry I thought you were advocating for the EXP All

>>718379541
I am. Exp all doesn't mean excessive leveling. It infact mean less leveling, 1/4 the total time leveling for the same amount of levels and the most useful characters don't become overleveled because you have to use them in all 3 party setups. Thats all.

>>718379731
Aye, gotcha. You want the characters who didn't experience the battle to have the same experience and stat ups the ones who did experience the fight did.

I think you should cut the middleman and just save edit what stats your characters have and switch to automatic Encounters None. At least your Lulu wouldn't keep getting OHKO'd

>>718379731
Why not just watch the cutscenes or Youtube Playthrough while holding the controller? If you need the number and achievement autism, you can just look at some wiki of the stats and rewards and pretend you achieved them.

>>718379835
Whhoooosh.
Enjoy swapping out characters and having them swap weapons so they dont kill the enemy. Thats for sure participating in battle. Or you could run around in circles in a room for a few hours killing the same things over and over and over.
Oh and you suddenly decide you want to fuck with (X) for a while, have fun spending hours getting him up to speed.

>>718380118
I use all the characters but i don't switch them unnecessarily to battle. As stated, each new area has new stronger monsters that yield more EXP. Even if your character didn't participate in all the battles and didn't get all the EXP in previous area, the new area's EXP bloat makes them catch up in couple of battles.

To me it looks like it's extremes for you. Either you use ALL the characters in ALL the battles, or you only stick with your trusted 3 and never use the others and your Lulu keeps getting OHKO'd because you didn't use her for 10 hours at all.

It's a single player game so feel free to play it as you like. If EXP All makes it good for you, use it. I just think you are an autist scrub, but it shouldn't affect your enjoyment of your single player story and character driven game of rock-paper-scissors.

>>718379996
Because I still enjoy the game. As I've gotten older I've realized the difference between game mechanics and corporate stall mechanics where some suit said turn this setting to X to increase the time doing Y.

>>718380318
Thats... probably a good point. When I play I decide a main PT. And then when the game forces me to use another PT member, I expect the game to make that possible. EXP ALL makes that work for me.

>>718380505
Nice. Check Baldur's Gate 3 if you haven't. In BG3 you have party of 4 but can have larger non-active party and everyone gets the same EXP and act as if they were in the active party when talking about the what's going on. So even if you do need to swap characters, no one is missing a single EXP.

>>718364846 (OP)
Your supposed to switch and then block for every character. It takes 5 seconds.

>>718380824
thats gay

>>718364846 (OP)
You're braindead if this game filtered you

>>718380824
>Your supposed to switch and then block for every character. It takes 5 seconds.

Are you the same anon who in past said he NEEDS to have every character participate or else he would be missing EXP and be underlevelled?

>>718380824
>Just waste your time bro! It's good design!

>>718380978
I may have done this in a Pokemon game or two, I had all the time when I was a kid.

>>718364924
it's not even that, it's simon says/paint by numbers
even the element system is simpler than RPS

>>718364846 (OP)
The only people who like this game are Frutiger Aero nostalgiafags

>>718378282
>Tropical beach aesthetic
>With paper themed menus in multiple games
I wanna go back. Fuck modern UIs.

>>718364846 (OP)
kys zoomer

>>718382640
I want to go back too. Is it too hard for indie devs to make 3d games like this now with AI

>>718381003
It's time, bro. The only thing you can do with it is waste it.

>>718372521
tidus is the most useless party member

>>718384308
Elaborate

>>718384681
any other member is an improved tidus, he's useless, why would I need him?

>>718382863
I'm wasting it properly, instead of on this nonsense game design.

>>718384308
>has haste
get real.

>>718385332
he's not the only who gets haste anon

why se stopped putting based biggots in their games

>>718385418
everyone can do everything if you're turbonerd who grinds shit, its hardly relevant for anyone with a soul.

>>718385553
BETTA DEAD THAN AL BHED

>>718385048
Time Magic and multi-hit Overdrive that only Wakka surpasses. Are we talking about story content or post-story content? Because you will need Tidus for both,

t. 100% the game, including Monster Arena, Dark Aeons and Penance

>>718364924
thats all strategy ever is.

>>718386245
story content

people here criticizing the OP, I understand that he wants to save time. I have a life outside of gaming, and games were never meant to be taken seriously, I no longer have time to spend grinding away at a game like an autistic person and if you have that time good for you.

>>718381225
Same, bro. I used to do full EV training, breed for perfect IVs, and soft reset for shinies like it was my job. Kid-me had infinite patience and zero responsibilities. Now I see one unskippable cutscene and I’m considering uninstalling.

>>718386419
I guess you could ditch Tidus but there's so many mandatory battles with him so I wouldnt do that. And as stated, he has access to Time Magic. You could have Kimahri do the time magic buuuut i still don't see the benefit of ditching Tidus.

Fuck it's just rage baiting. Well played.

>>718366690
In FF7 any character can be anything. You used a shit example.

There's no reason to have blue magic locked behind limit breaks. Looking at you, FF8 and FFX

>>718387365
>make quistis magic not a complete and utter chore to acquire
>make it almost impossible to use in most circumstances instead
t-thanks...

>exp to all
the whole point is to give each character a turn and you can switch party members for free during any of your turns...

>>718387804
you still need to do that because of the counter mechanic the game has, the only issue OP has is with the exp

>>718387715
>>718387365
what about this
>make a girlfriend ability "blue magic"
>works like draw
>you get a pool of spells depending on current enemies and their lvl
>make it not completely useless (this is important)

>>718387993
It's hard to balance blue magic. Either they are so good that you use them over your regular spells. Or they are so shit or situational there's no point with them. FF7 did it well with the Enemy Skill having the perk of only taking one materia slot while wider arrange of spells needed more slots. But if you knew what you were doing, you got Big Guard after Gold Saucer same with Aqualung. Trine at Nibelheim Mountain, Beta when returning the swamp with the snake, White Wind from near Junon with Manipulat. At that point they are lot stronger than your level 2 regular spells, they hit all targets and still only take 1 materia slot. But finding them all was part of the fun.

FF5 had less OP blue magics, but the final one, Big Guard rocks. But it's bitch to find because you need to scout the sea area of sunken Water Crystal temple and find the rare Stingray enemy to get it. But with that spell, you survive pretty much everything.

FF6's Blue Magic was mediocre. Only one shining was early 1000 needles/Blowfish and the final one Trine. I guess the Aqua Rake you started with was ok, and the dungeon Strago was introduced was designed to have the weakness for it.

>>718386306
No, it's not. A proper strategy game will provide a more concise challenge without relying on counter mechanics.

Every RPG where a character can have multiple builds is like that.

>>718364846 (OP)
why is this so hated lately

>>718391505
it's not, it's just the same anon reposting it

>>718391505
It's easier to get thread and discussion going with negativity and rage baiting than with neutral or positive implications