Thread 718425616

Okay I fucking give up. I've been at this boss for a week now and it's just getting stunlocked over and over again. This is my first ever playthrough of Dark Souls and it's really pushing me to use a guide because the game is shitting on me for not knowing how to "deal" with this boss. Trial and error has only gotten me as far as discovering that I have to go at its leash points but whenever I break one, the boss DOESN'T STOP HITTING ME (even with a high stability shield it eats it all away) and when I either get blown the fuck out or pushed into the holes, the last bonfire is literally another zone away. So now I'm asking this board first before breaking my rule and looking it up online. Game fucking great though, it lives up to the hype. Also, I'm playing it on the 360 version so maybe it's different.

>>718425616 (OP)
liar

Unironically just gitgudscrub
Just redo the fight over and over again until you get lucky and suddenly win

>>718425616 (OP)
There is a bonfire behind an illusory wall in the lava with the dragon butts. It's in the gazebo/building thing closest to the vines you use to leave the lava and go up towards the fog wall.

>>718425616 (OP)
>filtered by Bed of Kino

>>718425881
I gave up fighting those dragons but was it close to the area where you find the divine blessings items?

>>718425616 (OP)
There's a bonfire right next to the boss. Anyways, immediately rush the left one and destroy it, then quit out. You should be in front of the fog wall. Go back in and destroy the right one. Quit out. Then go back in and destroy the center one.

>>718426371
Well yeah, no shit. Hence I'm asking for help. I feel like I'm actually missing something here due to how bullshit the entire thing is.

>>718425765
This. Everything after Demon's Souls is just Luck build.

>>718425765
>>718426514
>exploits
I don't want to do exploits. I've beaten all the bosses fair and square at this point and I don't want to glitch the game for one. Maybe spoil an item for me to get that makes me not get knocked or pushed away easily or something.

>>718425616 (OP)
How does this happen in this day and age when there are countless youtube videos and guides?

Two hand the heaviest shield you got, it won't help with the bullshit swipes but it will block. Also do right side first then left side. Also when doing left side you could cheese it with arrows from the back or you could jump from the back to the front in a diagonal pattern (look it up on youtube) and save yourself numerous headaches.

Also for the final central run, approach while veering off to the right to bait out his right hand swipe and slam. Then walk off towards the path, no need to roll or jump if you are farther right than you think you need to be.

idk twohand the shield or learn the bomb cheese

>>718425616 (OP)
Run and jump over its first palm swipe. This is how I beat him last time I replayed ds1.

>>718426624
In my playthrough so far, it's about luck, patience and just preparation. Sometimes the 360 chugs and it gets really frustrating but all in all it's still enjoyable.

>>718426853
>running jump the swipes
I didn't even know you can do that.

>>718426445
Yeah, the dragon butts should be ignored. Consult this map. Its very close to the path out of the lava

>>718425616 (OP)
DS1 is pretty unfair. Relax, take a break, try tomorrow, try different strategies, look up a guide after all. This game is too hard for me too, even though i beat it three times over the years..

>>718426801
What part of "not looking up a guide online" do you not understand? Since the offline is dead, I'm treating this thread and asking anons like a yellow soapstone.

>>718426989
I legitimately do not know what the fuck that map is even oriented in lmao.

>>718426856
You know about the 25 estus flasks?
I stand by DS1 being the most overrated because everyone forgets the back half.

>>718427126
>25 estus flasks
No but I have the rite of kindling.

>>718427075
If I were to guess, I've died more with the wackass terrain and camera fuckery than the bosses. Crystal Cave took me like a week to finish and I think that was the worst area in the game so far.

>>718426640
>Maybe spoil an item for me to get that makes me not get knocked or pushed away easily or something.
no such item exists

>>718427095
The non-lava part of Izalith, which includes the fog gate, is due north of where that Bonfire is. There are two burnt pagodas in the lava field and the Bonfire is behind an illusory wall at the pagoda farther from the Demon Ruins entrance to Lost Izalith.

>>718427167
There you go

>>718428739
But it only goes up to 20

>>718425616 (OP)
this boss really pissed me off because i figured out what you had to do but kept fucking up the i'm not telling you shit

How the fuck do you get stuck on this boss? It's horribly designed, total bullshit, and it's almost impossible to do without dying at least twice, yeah, but how do you get STUCK on it?

Yeah, terrible boss, but it's honestly quite memorable.

>>718427126
>I stand by DS1 being the most overrated because everyone forgets the back half.
No one forgets it. They constantly shit on it because a youtuber told them it was bad. Sounds like you forgot it since Estus only ever goes to 20

>>718428934
The fact that there's no breathing room for you to move around in and you have have run from one end of the room to the next. That is my predicament right now. The shield only buys me two hits before I'm out of stamina and I am able to run a couple steps before it does it again and throws in a random shove, slam or the flame geysers into it.

>>718429035
Not that anon but the best bossfight for me was the Ornstein and Smough one. It's like an upgraded version of the Gargoyles fight but much cooler and actually changes the way how each one fights. Coolest however is the Nito fight, remembering about divine weapons being strong against skeletons was a revelation for me and it working is the coolest moment I had for the game.

>>718429035
I wouldnt say bad, just sub par to 2&3. Im sure thats an opinion some YouTuber somewhere that Ive never watched shares too though.

Before I boot up the game again, one more question for the thread. How close am I to the end? I know I still have the Artorias of the Abyss DLC to figure out but barring that how close am I?

>>718429660
Id say 60% done if we include the DLC. Im just trying to be helpful though, not fully sure as I thought there was 25 estus flasks.
Im sure an Anon whos never had sex can give you the exact answer.

>>718429902
I'm at 100+ hours already in the game so barely being halfway done is pretty fucking brutal.

>>718429660
Have you gotten all the other lord souls? If yes, your options after Izalith are the final boss or the DLC

>>718430058
Thats right, you can hit the 4 bosses in any order. I thought smuag was after though?

>>718429580
I'm torn since 2 is a better game from certain points but it somehow was able to worsen the orginal issues of 1. 1 had a better atmosphere. 3 and elden ring beat 1 in the role playing aspect though. All three have meh dlc with 2 only sticking out since it's dlc were supposed to be apart of the main game and would have fixed a few problems it had.

>>718430198
>smuag
I don't know who that is. There is Gravelord Nito, Bed of Chaos, 4 Kings, and Seathe the Scaleless

>>718430058
Which ones are the Lord Souls? I don't have those in my notes but I do know it's for the Lordvessel according to my notes.

>>718430393
The Dragon in the hobbit. All right, time to rewatch this.

https://youtu.be/M9x_koRZ2bA?si=oS3bIO2EJQ3ff-bt

The way all the locations fit together in Dark Souls is really neat. Really like that aspect.

>>718430393
Ah okay so Bed of Chaos is the last one for me. Fitting since this is the hardest one so far, barring Seathe due to how shitty that area is. I don't want to replay that area ever again.

>>718430585
Is it not like that in the other games? I was debating whether or not to do DS2 or DeS after this but it seems to me like DS2 is a worse experience.

>>718430593
Heads up: You have to do the DLC before the final boss. Once the final boss is defeated, you immediately are locked into the ending and NG+ starts.

>>718430676
My notes say Artorias is in Darkoot Basin, according to Andre and the Sif bossfight, so I probably have to look for him around there.

>>718430664
Compared to Dark Souls all the other games are pretty linear with just some branching paths occasionally. It’s really a shame that they didn’t dive harder into refining the world design of DaS for later games, even Elden Ring isn’t technically as joined together despite being open world.

>>718430925
DS1 will always be my favorite for this reason

>>718430286
I loved the atmosphere and lore of 2, gameplay of 3. One I felt averaged the strengths of both.
I hate people who complian somethings too easy as you can always handicap yourself, but I felt the Armour upgrades and 20 flasks broke 1. That and I fucking loathed that first run in the Crystal cave. They are all amazing games though, and as a late comer I acknowledge I don't give DeS and DS1 enough respect for pioneering.
ER is just GotD.

>>718430791
You will 100% have to look up how to enter the DLC, you will never figure it out on your own.

>>718430925
The labyrinthine aspects of Dark Souls ends with 1? That's an actual damn shame since discovering shortcuts ad writing it down to use is one of the best things about this game.

>>718430593
Even worse, when you replay the Crystal caves you'll for reasons I dont understand see the hidden barriers and wonder how you could have ever had a problem with that area.

>>718431185
Yes unfortunately, the games after still have good singular level design, but the overall world design is not like Dark Souls. They are still worth playing, mainly DeS, Bloodborne, and Sekiro.

>>718431217
The hidden what

>>718431185
You'll always have Bloodborne.

>>718431303
I think I'm gonna play DeS next.

>>718431327
I don't really consider Bloodborne and Sekiro to be on my backlog, to me those are just spinoffs. I really enjoyed whipping out a notebook again though, didn't have to do that for a vidya in a long time.

>>718425616 (OP)
this is unironically the worst boss in video games
even miyazaki said that it is his biggest regret

just learn the bomb cheese

>>718431407
Bloodborne is much closer to Souls than Sekiro. Consider this. After development on DS1 wrapped up Miyazaki gave DS2 to a different director while he focused on making Bloodborne. Its also his favorite of his work alongside DS1. His two best games.

>>718431217
The only hard part about crystal cave is the one square foot of the bridge near the start that's extremely slippery for no reason

>>718425616 (OP)
Have you not noticed that this boss saves your progress? There are 3 bugs that have 1 hitpoint each, and none of them respawn when you die. So you don't need to keep running back to each side every time you start the fight.

>>718431024
2 gave me the same feeling infamous 2, dead space 2 and dead island 2 all did. They felt cartoony compared to the first. Like corners were rounded or the color was over saturated. Not bad but like an off smell in your house. Also yes 2 has the advantage of no true dogshit levels bar the dlcs which each have one.

>>718425616 (OP)
Two hand the highest stability shield you have

>>718431184
Correct me if I'm wrong of what I've written down. Basically, Oolacile is the place I need to actually go and that I am the "Artorias" she talks about being heroic and saving people and once I do fight Artorias, he's actually some evil bastard or something who possesses a similar "hero's soul" like all heroes do hence her confusion. Few characters ever talk about Oolacile but the key hint for me is the lady inside the golem (not the fat knight) in the basin once saved, talks about it and where she's from. The golem she was in is the same in Duke Archives and Crystal Caves which one of them drops, which as it says, is from Oolacile and is a key item into finding it. Andre talks about Artorias specifically succumbing to an affliction and dying in the Darkroot area and his grave being there along with the dog DROPS the Covenant that allows you to do Abyss thing with the Four Kings which was a gigantic black hole. Ergo, I have to find something similar in Darkroot.

>>718432169
The HP bar didn't change which means I am still "setting up" the actual boss to fight which I think is very retarded and is made even more so since it's such a pain to do.

>>718425616 (OP)
>>718426445
>>718426989
>>718427095
>>718427728
I prefer the kouryakubo maps.

>>718432721
You need to go to the area where you fought the hydra, it's way in the back of the water. And then kill something, reload, go around the shoreline for new NPC. Then you can enter DLC from the location where you killed something.

>>718432721
>>718432949
Oh, you already talked to the NPC and have the item. Go back to the end of the water where you killed the golem.

>>718432949
>>718433057
If you're talking about the lady in the golem, I already saved her. She's the one that talks about Oolacile and drops a hint of Artorias being like me. From my expectation, the Artorias bossfight is going to be like a PVP battle but Four King Style where it's in a dark place you have to discover since he's also known as the Abysswalker and that he's actually not dead but somewhat lost or trapped and gone completely insane from being in the Abyss for too long.

>>718433385
I like how you're doing it without a guide and have some imagination about what's to come. Enjoy anon! Kill that wyvern for me.

>>718430791
Near the hydra

>>718433546
I have some anons say I'm getting really close and I do know Artorias is the most hyped bossfight in the game you have to hunt down so my expectations are highest for him

>>718425616 (OP)
Fromsoft's first RNG boss before they went balls deep with it in ER.

>>718433708
Good thing ER is not on my backlog.

>>718432721
Weird that you would think that about Artorias if you’ve never looked anything up or played the DLC. From the base game all you can gather is he’s the hero that was able to fight the Abyss and stave it off.

>>718427126
>because everyone forgets the back half.

idk what people even mean by the back half
everyone shits on lost izalith/demon ruins but the rest doesnt get mentioned

>>718434824
The cover of the DLC add-on page in the Xbox marketplace has him looking down in a black background like the Four Kings and since he is referred to as the Abysswalker, and some NPCs literally yell you that the abyss got to him then that pretty much is almost confirmation. I know you have to hunt him down and there's a lot of hype surrounding said boss fight. I have some notes about him which is tied to the figuring out where he is. Very strange way to do a DLC by today's standards.

>>718434824
Also, the Cat Covenant woman that you have to use the CREST OF ARTORIAS to unlock teases that Artorias wasn't actually some great hero. I really do think he's just trapped somewhere. Don't spoil it for me though.

>>718434952
>idk what people even mean by the back half
Probably once you get the Lordvessel

>>718432721
Judging by your progression you probably already have a key item that mention oolacile.

>>718433708
>>718434147
Elden Ring doesn't have RNG bosses at all, that game is trying to inter-company console war you. The Bed of Chaos does suck ass though beyond its presentation.

>>718435152
No NPCs say that the Abyss beat Artorias, they just note that he has a grave and Alvina claims his tales are merely fabricated, though you did get the ring that genuinely works.

>>718434147
>>718438140
That guy, not that game, is trying to troll you for some game war bullshit. Typo'd that.

>>718438140
I genuinely am a big fan of this whole mystery thing but I can see why it was supposedly dropped in the next titles as it would get frustrating to be unable to play a DLC you paid for from the get go.

>>718438140
I think I either drew a conclusion that either Artorias isn't actually dead just trapped in the Abyss or he is dead and the Abyss took his soul and reanimated him. From what I understand the Abyss is the central point of the Dark Soul, a type of Lord Soul that Man is derived from, which is Kaathe's major plan to bring about a new Age to replace all the beings that benefited from the other Souls that brought about the Age of Fire, which is has been losing its overall power. My question is why the fuck is the game treating like the Age of Fire is a bad thing that needs to be replaced by evil fuckers and consequently the humans.

>>718425616 (OP)
>360 version
Ah, shame. If you were on PC I would help you; I helped a dude by dealing with the boss while he stayed at the fog gate.

>>718439632
I didn't even know that phantoms can just do the bosses for you.

>>718430580
Fucking classic! Why usnt the internet like this anymore?

>>718430050
>100+ hours
How?

>>718440607
Taking my time and playing things safe. And some farming on the side.

>>718426640
It's not an exploit, the boss is bullshit and thus you are entierly justified in using your own bullshit to beat it.
You can snipe both weak points from an alcove on the left about halfway from the entrance then jump and get the central point to win.

>>718426535
Your not missing out on anything this boss is giga mega ass. Unironically you have to just get lucky

>>718431407
Bloodborne is less a spinoff and more a different iteration of the gameplay. Basically "what if we replaced shields with healing when you attack more". It's a very fun style in my opinion.

>>718431407
Sekiro is unironically from’s best game. And bloodborne is just dark souls but slightly faster combat and consistent stellar pacing, you won’t get stuck on a bullshit boss like bed of chaos. Also has the most kino armor