Thread 718451184

Still the best metal gear

2 is the best

Peace Walker

>>718451392
PW is good but 5 is better

>>718451369
>it’s the best because i watch youtube essays and tiktok videos about le heckin epic prediction
stay on reddit

>>718451184 (OP)
Only storywise. MGS2 is the best overall
2>3>V>4>1>MG2>PW>MG1

Not only does MGS1 have the best atmosphere, but it also has the best graphics and characters. Even the more grounded story compared to the others helps it to be such kino.

phantom pain is superior

>>718451486
>V above 1
cmon

>>718451184 (OP)
Is that statement meant to be controversial?

>>718451772
no, it's meant to be true

>>718451701
V's gameplay is too good

>>718451701
It should be above 3 as well. At least equal to 2.

>>718451836
true, it's definitely the best in the series in terms of gameplay, but it's not a MGS game

>>718451931
sure it is

>>718451931
4 has better stealth gameplay, regardless of how little it has. In 5 you're way too agile and you can tank way too many bullets. Also once you unlock enough upgrades and buddies the balance is fucked, it's too easy to be engaging.

>>718453479
But no one hears a word
they say

>>718453479
Still kinda annoyed me how MGSV defeated the purpose of collecting combat-efficient soldiers, because unlike PW, Snake can be upgraded to have all of the special abilities excluding botany. So even though he was A across the board, he was just statistically better to the point of being S++ under the hood.

The entire point of the system in PW was that MSF troops could and did end up being better than Snake in combat, but if they died, they were gone for good. There was an entire risk to taking them over Snake on the harder missions.

The jingle from Konami screen at the start of MGS always gives me goose bumps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g8e20X1BYo

>>718451486
>pw that low
I mean the shitty spaninglish and paz kind of fucking ruin everything.

>>718454358
has the memory gone?
are you feeling numb?

>>718454628
This. I fucking love it so much

>>718451184 (OP)
True and it’s not even close. The other games try too hard to top it and become nonsense as a result.

>>718455527
yup, the grounded story makes it much better than the others. mgs2 would be better if the story wasn't as over the top and the atmosphere was better

>>718454628
is policenauts worth playing? does it feel very kojima-esque?

Man the storytelling is so fucking shit in MGS1; it's a near endless loop of people saying something and then Snake repeating the last bit with a question mark.
>The terrorists have a nuclear missile bomb device!
>A nuclear missile bomb device?
>Yes, you need to stop them!
>Stop them?
>With your gun!
>With my gun?
So fucking stupid jesus christ.

>>718457170
Do you know why you remember all those lines?

>>718454687
Paz was one of the best parts of PW

>>718457170
Watch escape from new york

>>718457410
Those lines are not in MGS1.

>>718451486
1 > 3 > 2 > 4 > MG2 > GZ > TPP > PW > MG

LOL

>>718458198
Because they are repeated by the MC and you pay attention to them being repeated. Same reason when you get introduced to new person and they tell you their name and you repeat it. Because it helps you to remember it.

>>718451184 (OP)
I played it first time recently. It's campy and some of the gameplay elements are outdated. I dropped it during the stairs section. Maybe the stairs represented something, but I wasn't really into that game thorough.

i'm still pretty fond of 2 but 1 is probably the best all rounder for me. 2 and 3 improved a lot but also got bloated in a way that the first was just tight and standalone in a way i like.

>>718459092
In stairs, keep chugging stun grenades and blast with machine gun

>>718451369
2 has some of the best talking points but is easily the worst actual game out of all of them.

>>718459018
Hrrgghh. Helps you remember... Got it.

>>718459161
big shell was pretty repetitive but as a game there was a lot there still. mgs4 i'd say is the worst as an overall game, since it really stops being one like a third in.

The horror-like atmosphere really adds to this game. Nothing beats encountering the Gray Fox in the hallway.

That's MGS2 though

>>718459240
Hand to hand.

It is the basis of all combat.

Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon.

>>718459126
I was doing that but then there was an another set of stairs where you had to chuck chaff grenades lol

>>718458198
MGS1?

>>718457170
The Snake method of talking to people is incredibly effective IRL and I will not hear slander against it. It's the most low effort "I'm listening" card you can play and it works damn near every time.

>>718459361
Snake method huh

>>718459221
In my opinion as the guy you replied to 4 is a masterpiece and where it all should have ended. V never should have been a thing despite it's perfect gameplay. The only problem with 4 is the part where you tail the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XViugvS8LGw
There is something really ominous, but also heroic to this music.

>>718459441
i'm glad for having V because it plays so damn good and i could not care about the Big Boss wank Kojima was on afterwards. with 4 though my problem is that you only really have the early acts of more open design where it then becomes set piece after cutscene until effectively the end.

i love it, i also think it's awful, but damn was it an experience.

>>718451369
The sneaking parts are solid and my favorite is the bomb defusal part which varies with difficulty level. No using the tranq gun and no shooting the cameras or drones down (you might only get the suppressor for M9 after the bombs tho if you find it, not sure). The parts where you sneak with Emma require multiple tries but are actually pretty simple once you get them right, but they are the ultimate challenge.

But the bosses in mgs2 are really weak and I wish there was a skip button. Just not interested in any of them, well I guess Fatman and Vamp are not bad but not interesting. In mgs3 I found that I enjoyed all the bosses pretty much. The weakest part of mgs3 is that it really drags after you beat Volgin in fistfight.

>>718451184 (OP)
>>718451369
I enjoy all three equally for different reasons. If you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick a favorite, I'd probably choose the first MGS, but only because that's what introduced me to this series.

>>718451184 (OP)
I disagree with you on that, but I think all of us can agree that MGS4 was the absolute worst.

>>718459552
Fair assessment. 4 is one of my favorite games of all time but I can tell you are a good dude with your shit together.

>>718459546
The OST alone is why I will never accept Twin Snakes as the "better version." The gameplay arguments and cutscene tones are entirely secondary to the fact TS wholesale ripped out the iconic MGS1 soundtrack and replaced it with generic ambience.

https://youtu.be/df6YYlTYmZs

Very few games capture an almost time capsule ensemble of pieces that perfectly represent the mood of the era. This IS the late 90s idea of sci-fi future warfare perfectly represented via audio.

>>718459650
appreciate it. you have a good one yourself.

>>718459552
>where it then becomes set piece after cutscene
To me, the later acts are underappreciated when it comes to sneaking.
Act 3 sure has the problem of way too many long cutscenes at the end, and a horrible shooting section (why the fuck does this control worse than the shooting section at the end of MGS1). Tailing that guy however was one of the most pure-stealth sections of the whole game and something unique to the series.
Act 4 becomes boss battles at the end. But sneaking through Shadow Moses adds new challenges, as the robotic enemies can't be manipulated like human soldiers, and the areas are wide with multiple ways to go through them.
Act 4 is short, but the sneaking sections are solid. Metal Gear. With aggressive enemies patrolling the areas and lots of verticality.

>Act 4
>Act 4
Damn, maybe I'm getting too old.

>>718451184 (OP)
>DON'T JUST STAND THERE!
>SHOOT!
i've always liked how you can't be non-lethal in 1 as solid snake, but can in 3 as big boss. while it's obviously just a game mechanic they added to 2, it really plays into how naive big boss is in 3, whereas solid snake is already a jaded killer by 1. big boss just wants to do the right thing, solid snake is on the warpath just to go home, and i think that difference in character is neat.

>>718460412
Yeah, the only reason Snake has a tranq gun in 2 is because he wasn't expecting Russians on the Tanker, just regular US troops. Snake and Otacon were already on the terrorist watch list, they didn't need murdering troops on their head too, so it doesn't even feel like an "I wouldn't do it" choice, but an "it'd inconvenience me" choice.

the first metal gear fucking sucks

>>718459240
5's entire lead up to the man on fire, the devil's house, the man on fire chasing you out of the devil's house, and hearing the first "real" swear with miller going "BOSS! GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE!" was kino as well. having just one body bag twitch made me shit. such a simple, easy trick and it got me.

4 is the best and was a victim of the ‘I hate complexity/depth’ crowd.

>>718459546
>>718459709
losing this was a fucking crime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQHGqJIt1fc

>>718459361
>"I'm listening" card
Sometimes I'll throw in a "Wow, that's crazy" if I completely forgot everything somebody just told me because I wasn't listening and didn't even remotely care to begin with.

>ADHD
>Autism
Call it that if you want, but I can only listen to a coworker complain about trivial stuff for so long before I can't even fake it anymore.

>"Did you hear that Kevin.."
Wow, that's crazy. What a nut. Okay talk to you later.

>>718459709
the soundtrack carries it big time, really adds so much atmosphere and these of of this desolate austere facility

>>718460985
girl gossip at work makes me feel like a victim.
>OMG did you hear that
>kevin, stacy, shawn, jessica, ryan, etc

>>718460629
I used guide to finish Metal Gear 2

>Gotta get past this guard and his laser fence
>Hmm..
>Better head back and grab that owl I saw in the lab and place it outside the fence so that the guard will hear It go "Who-who"
>"Huh, it must be bed time."
And then that guard turns off the fence and goes to sleep. He turns OFF the fence before going to sleep. That's literally the worst time you should shut down the security, you colossal retard.

When people call Hideo Kojima a mad genius, I always think about this scene.

>>718460985
I mean I do this but it's mainly because I struggle to listen to anybody regardless of how hard I try, and likewise it takes me 10+ seconds of hard thinking to properly verbalise my thoughts. People in real life are blatantly disgusted by this personality trait of mine.

>>718461423
ah, the sierra adventure game school of design.

>>718459302
Come on, I could do it in 90s when I was 12. You can do it now.

>>718461423
atleast you knew to use a specific type of ration while walking over that weird sludge right? and you were able to find the random key card in the middle of that field, right?

>>718451369
This line is just a clappy MG1 reference, so it can't support MGS2's quality.

>>718451369
2 is overrated as fuck and the big shell is the worst main setting in the series

>>718462268
The issue with 2 is that it’s either bloated or boring in all the ways that Metal Gear Solid 1 wasn’t. The only truly interesting member of Dead Cell is Fatman, there’s huge stretches of the game where nothing new happens, the game opens with a bomb disposal arc that has unskippable cutscenes when I imagine most players would rather have been planting bombs, and aside from the ending, the game lacks major meta/creative moments like Psycho Mantis.