Thread 718486143

/vst/ general of the game is kind of dead and I want to show off my base

>>718486327
I wanted to try the steam version since I never did, so far my I actually can tell less wih this than I used to, atleast on the world map
controls are also a mixed bag now

>>718486143 (OP)
The base layout is inefficient. Use different z-levels

>>718486483
there's more to life than efficiency

>>718486483
I do, but wanted one living area
Above is the craftsdwarf section, above it is the farm area (which I'm moving to the caves slowly)
Below is the tomb then elow is the guard room plus dungeon

>>718486143 (OP)
>single layer design
Fucking why does every single dorf fortress look like this?

>>718486890
Again, it's not one it's just the living district

>this time I will carefully plan the layout and delegate work, surely everything will go better this time
>meanwhile dwarves

>>718487272
Kek
What went wrong

>>718487528
I don't even remember, probably got drunk, one guy hit the other guy and the rest (everyone) joined

>>718486143 (OP)
Where's your toilet?

>>718486143 (OP)
which is more functional, daggerfall or dorf fort?

>>718486143 (OP)
it's not bad Anon, is this one of your first forts? One of the tips i'd give is make hallways two wide where you can, otherwise dorfs have to climb over each other and it slows 'em down

>>718486143 (OP)
I don't understand why so many players insist on giving individual dorfs those 1x3 broom closets for living. Underground space is literally for free, and besides, making bigger and expensive rooms provides more mining experience, more engraving experience, more stones for masons and crafters to work with, and your lads constantly have happy thoughts from admiring their masterpiece empty bookshelves and penis engravings. And on top of that, designing more elaborate and luxurious living quarters is simply fun.

cool game, I got stuck trying to make Stills produce drinks

>>718486143 (OP)
>3 tile bedrooms
bit luxurious innit

Do the new free releases still use the old UI? Still stuck in 47.05.

>>718486645
If you're going to have all your dorfs going to one area all the time, invest in a waterfall

>>718488107
Dwarfs need no such things

>>718489965
>is it one of your first forts
No lol, I've been playing since 2010
I am just testing out the steam version and focusing more on making something visually appealing
Yeah I am aware they climb on top of each other
>>718490016
Because I value my wrists, I don't have a mod to allow blue printing for mass making of rooms

>>718486645
make a 3x3 staircase and drop water through the middle tile
waterfalls are just straight up cheating man, you'll never die to a tantrum spiral if you have one

>>718492196
I haven't had issues with moods or tantrums since that one update I think in 2015 that made them trivial to manage

I still have absolutely no idea why I see sets of clothing just lying around in random places of the fortress. Everyone is supposed to have storage furniture in their rooms.

>>718492132
>Because I value my wrists, I don't have a mod to allow blue printing for mass making of rooms
I typically designate an entire layer deep enough to not be bothered by noise into 5x5 rooms. When you do it all at once it's a lot less hassle. You do 5xn where n is the width of the layer times how many fit in the height of the layer, then remove designation to cut them into 5x5, add doors to an entire column of rooms at once and remove the extra designations a row at a time. Then you just fix up the corridors leading to the rooms and you're done. From the very start designate the whole thing at second to lowest priority so miners will work on whatever is more important first by default and wall off sections with lowest priority designations so it gets worked on a section at a time.

>>718493336
Worn off clothes?

>>718493545
Not really, some with just small x and some completely new, high quality even.

>>718486143 (OP)
Are there any cool mods made with lua scripting yet?

>>718493365
Anon, you'd need to designate 5x5 200 times assuming you didn't limit migrants for whatever reason
That is a lot of clicks still

>>718493982
I just explained how the mining is designated efficiently to make a layer's worth of rooms in far less designations than the amount of rooms. If you mean setting up the mined rooms as rooms, that's the same effort regardless of the size of the room.

>>718494431
Well with my layout I just make a 1x9 line and that's 2 rooms which makes life easier for me

>>718493834
AMOGUS

>>718493834
when the tower cap is sus

>>718491496
no
the paid and free version are on the same page

One of my dorfs inherited a barony and now I get to enjoy 2 nobles!

>>718486143 (OP)
your dwarves commies or something?
jam yourself into an apartment block where you have 1 (1) cube meter of space between you and your neighbor and all of 3 (3) cubic meters of space for yourself, your bed, and your cabinet of clothing, and see how long before you go insane

>>718486143 (OP)
>>718486985
>>718493834

it looks so souless, this doesn't spark imagination

>>718501310
It has its charm 2bh

>>718501310
>we *needed* an ui last minute plz understand

>>718492132
>been playing since 2010
Damn you must not watch any tutorials and raw dogging the game completely to have such low efficiency.
I never understood why people make such tiny fucking bedrooms for the dwarves that do everything for them.
>doesn't care about the 1 tile fuckery of making dwarves climb over each other.
What a shit god.

I'm trying out that tutorial girl's strategy of the massive trench. Only problem I've had with it is now my dwarves want all those stones so I need more wheelbarrows and stockpiles because they keep hauling this shit by hand.
No I'm not going to forbid all that delicious stone.
I've been playing for years and only last week did I learn overhangs need to be 2 tiles off the ground to truly be unclimbable. Guess I'm lucky no legendary climber has ever jumped that high yet.
I've got fortifications on top of my walls and still working on putting the roof on. Just started laying down traps.

>>718492050
Gross.

>>718509702
>Damn you must not watch any tutorials and raw dogging the game completely to have such low efficiency.
Only tutorial I used was the wiki quickstart guide ages ago, so yes
I don't really consider DF to be the game that requires minmaxing to survive, I just like roleplaying during it
>stones
Do you know how to make a quantum storage?

Have they done anything of note with this game over the last 3 years?

>>718510817
>quantum storage
Cheating.

>>718511276
You mean free updates, including adventure mode, and multithreading?
Don't tell me you play one of the shit colony sims that sells tons of DLC....

>>718511276
Because its been playing catch-up with itself after spending 5+ years doing a UX overhaul that still somehow filters retards

Try Before You Buy
Delve Into The Archive
Above The Oldest Visage
Within The Thread Of Origin
My Shrouded Prize Awaits You
As This Is An Echo Of The Call
And The Response For Those Poor

For the unknowledgeable, the Steam version of DF REQUIRES a new gen every RAW change due to mods not being baked into the save anymore.

Graphics IDs(unlike normal RAWs) are baked into each save, and require a world regen to see changes.

How to remove gays from all creatures
Notepad++
open all creature RAWs
ctrl+H
[CASTE:MALE]

[CASTE:MALE]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:0:0:100]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:MALE:100:0:0]

Replace in all opened files


[CASTE:FEMALE]

[CASTE:FEMALE]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:MALE:0:0:100]\n\t\t[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:100:0:0]


Replace in all opened files

How to remove black dwarves
>creature_standard txt
line 436 replace line with
[SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SKIN]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:PALE_PINK:1:PEACH:1:PINK:1]

How to remove bald dwarves
>entity_default txt
under [ENTITY:MOUNTAIN]
replace line 862 with

[TS_MAINTAIN_LENGTH:100:NONE]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:NEATLY_COMBED]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:BRAIDED]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:DOUBLE_BRAIDS]
[TS_PREFERRED_SHAPING:PONY_TAILS]

>>718511351
I mean, kind of but most of dwarf fortress is exploits really

Feels good not treating my dwarves like shit.
I'm not one of those insane people that can't butcher cats, but I can see where they are coming from. Like, what do they even do? I've never actually tried caging and selling an animal. I just looked it up, and now I learned it's possible. Apparently you can't sell caged sentient creatures, though...

>>718486143 (OP)
>Can't play human
>Can't play elf
>Can't play dwarf
>Can't play goblin
>Can't play troll
>Can't play as the necromancer or undead
>Can't play as the furry animal people
>You vill play as the dwarf and you vill like it.
Shit game! Hard pass!

>>718513767
Cats give positive thoughts if they ever do adopt one of your dwarfs, which they rarely do

>>718513505
>>718510817
Quantum stockpiles also soulless as fuck. Might as well mod the shit out of the game, while you're at it.

>>718514760
With a simple edit to a txt file you can play as the other races, undead can also be done without editing anything if you know what you're doing ingame
look up honeystoker lets play

>>718515021
>Just cheat!!!

>>718510817
>>718511351
Quantum storage was useless since they've introduced item weight slowing the hauling down.

>>718513767
>making a zoo
Nice

>>718515021
Dont bother, he's obviously baiting

>>718515761
Fuck you, man.

>>718515761
Here's one just for you, faggot!
[INTERACTION:IHATEFAGS]
[I_SOURCE:DEITY]
[IS_USAGE_HINT:MAJOR_CURSE]
[IS_HIST_STRING_1: cursed ]
[IS_HIST_STRING_2: to be a parody of a real woman.]
[I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
[IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
[IT_CANNOT_TARGET_IF_ALREADY_AFFECTED]
[IT_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
[IT_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
[IT_MANUAL_INPUT:faggot]
[I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
[IE_TARGET:A]
[IE_IMMEDIATE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:DWARF:MALE]
[SYN_CLASS:FAGGOT]
[SYN_NAME:Gender Dysphoria]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:DWARF:FEMALE]
[CE_ERRATIC_BEHAVIOR:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:VIOLENT:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:DISCORD:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:BRAVERY:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:CONFIDENCE:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:STERILE:START:0]
[CE_NECROSIS:SEV:10000:PROB:41:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:REGRET:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:1]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NO_HOSPITAL]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:HUMAN:MALE]
[SYN_CLASS:FAGGOT]
[SYN_NAME:Gender Dysphoria]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0]
[CE:CREATURE:HUMAN:FEMALE]
[CE_ERRATIC_BEHAVIOR:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:HATE_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:ANGER_PROPENSITY:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:VIOLENT:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:DISCORD:1000:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:BRAVERY:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_CHANGE_PERSONALITY:FACET:CONFIDENCE:40:PROB:100:START:0]
[CE_ADD_TAG:STERILE:START:0]
[CE_NECROSIS:SEV:10000:PROB:41:BP:BY_CATEGORY:HEART:ALL:ABRUPT:START:0:PEAK:0]
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:REGRET:SEV:10000:PROB:100:START:1]

>>718512263
Don't you forget the gay nigger dwarves

>>718515812
I just like having all rocks in one place instead of making a massive room for them

>>718516323
kek

>>718516323
>42% chance of heart necrosis
jej

>>718512886
The new UI filters me more than the old one funnily enough
I find myself struggling to do things I used to do easily, the new trade screen also fucking sucks and makes me not want to trade at all

>>718516323
lmao

>>718516781
I don't care about that, because I'm not a triggered snowflake bitch.

>>718517219
Yeah, I know you're just a parasite liberal

>>718516781
>
Darkies have been in it ever since colors were added retard, and Gay dwarves ever since orientation.
And both can be removed in under two minutes.

Wish someone would make a mod on the steam version to disable cave adaptation so I don't have to make it myself since I am too lazy

>>718517219
Don't reply to him, he is trying to derail the thread

>>718517093
It is definitely more tedious to do things a couple of key presses could do before.
I wonder what the fuck he was smoking when he decided to initially remove all keyboard functionality and make it mouse only for a few versions.

>>718517417
>
NIGGERS and JEWS have been in our country since forever, accept it and live and love them! You can just live somewhere else!

>>718517738
>what was he thinking
Probably something like
>FUCK WHAT IS THIS SCHIZOPHRENIC MESS? DELETE ALL OF IT LETS START FROM SCRATCH

>>718517435
Bro
Just remove one line from the dwarve's creature entry in creature_standard

>>718517784
Anon
I can't remove those with a few actions of a keyboard and mouse.
But I can these.

Having a baroness a duchess and a queen in one playthrough is interesting, I only specified the mayor as a baroness and now I have an entire matriarchy
I'm not sure if I want to give the baroness or duchess an accident, I don't remember if they will be replaced now that the queen moved in

>>718517912
Carpal Tunnel is a great alternative truly.
Jokes aside
I actually find Legends mode more annoying to navigate than before, though I do appreciate the attempt to make it better via tabs.

>>718517995
I know, my lazyness truly knows no bounds
I also heard that if you edit something you have to regen the whole world and I don't want to abandon my fort right now

>>718517396
I'm an NRA member. You're just a scared faggot.

>>718518168
She won't replace them per say, badically once the royalty move in you have yet another freeloader you need to make a high quality room for, and whose presence will cause your site value to rise, causing more beasts and invaders to poke you, good luck.

>>718518308
I can see the effort put into making it more readable, but just like everything else it became a bit harder to read accidentally
Not sure if this is objective or us being used to the old system more

>>718518168
All of my noble chambers are built below a pump stacked magma reservoir so I can "accident" them whenever I want.

>>718518152
Sure but I don't go around defending them and getting defensive any time someone brings up the devs being morally corrupt and capitulating do I? I can like the game and I am fine with others ragging on the dev because he's a raging faggot, it doesn't affect me.

>>718518416
I don't care if you're a member of the Nigger Rape Alliance, you're still a liberal.

>>718518314
No
Unless you fuck with colors(and are using the premium tileset, as ASCII mode is unaffected) or wholesale remove/add creature entries, then edits to creatures are fine.

Messing with entity entries, or really just adding/removing an entry anywhere, is where you need to stay away from unless you want to regen.

>>718518416
>I'm a cuckold who's gotten fucked by government dozens of times without ever killing them back or resisting, look at me I'm totally not a pussy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami_slicing_tactics
You're an impotent swine with a decorative weapon collection, that's all.

I like having multiple levels which are all connected by the same set of stairs with a waterfall running through the middle, if I can get it set up early enough then every dwarf ends up happy, makes the whole experience less complicated.

>>718518721
I'm not the anon you were having a argument with, I was just saying you could edit them out

>>718518991
Huh
Thanks anon, will get to it

Rewatching honeystoker with my wife is cozy, wish child me knew this is what I'd be doing as an adult

>>718513272
nice.
is the color modifier giving them 3 options of skin to choose from?
I like to tweak my own shit.

>>718519894
his solution makes all dorfs pale white and pink, which is retarded

>>718520114
that is why I wanted to tweak shit my own way.

>>718520114
Shitskin spooted

wish trade had a point besides instruments and foreign weapons

>>718519894
>>718520254
Yes, edit it as you like, this was just made to mitigate complaints during the initial newfag wave of 50.01

>>718520636
Alternative for metal sources, and also for buying exotic animals.
But yeah, most of the time it is a non essencial mechanic besides the traders making reports of your fort for the outside world

>HMM YES IT APPEARS THIS GUY ANGERED ME
>ILL MAKE HIM AN INFECTIOUS WERECREATURE TO PUNISH HIM
are the gods retarded

>>718486143 (OP)
looks like a space satellite

>>718521934
>this guy pissed me off and even toppled one of my statues! What an asshole! Be cursed to live forever and only require blood! I also gave him strength and didn't remove his intellect. Hah, surely that will show him!
Meanwhile
>some faggot entered my tomb? Curses! I WILL follow them across the entire map, stalking them relentlessly until I curse them, forever causing them to make bad rolls in actions and attacks!
Yes
Mummies are more punishing

>>718522531
Kek

>>718520636
Is trade still retardedly limited? Like you send out 50,000,000 dwarfbucks every caravan, but when you ask for something specific they bring 3 of it.

>>718523330
No they bring a lot now

>>718521559
Fair enough, at least you actually posted something usable instead of crying about “lore accuracy” or some autistic headcanon from 40d. I’ll probably tweak the values anyway, but this saved me the hassle of parsing the new biome-linked caste garbage. Good work, anon.

DWARF FORTRESS IS DEAD OLD MAN

>>718524487
My grandchildlren will play it

>>718524487
Until there's a better alternative, it is not.

>>718523330
Isn't one way to circumvent that to up the trade carrying capacity of pack animals? I think that's a limit in the system at the moment.

will the crundles stop spawning ever or should i close the cave

>DF faggots build identical underground dwarf fortresses for years
>Rimworld chads make unique bases and spaceships

>>718527297
They have pretty high population numbers so they make for a really common creature type to wander around their cave floor.

you ever wonder how many cool stories you missed out on in legend mod?

Did you guys rebind your controls in the new versions to match the old menus?

>>718531951
you can't

>>718531983
shit

>>718486143 (OP)
i remember playing this and getting really annoyed because every colony is the same flowchart activity, every time
>have to make a kitchen with the same stations and orders/cooking as your last fort
>have to make the same divided storage area(s) with manual filters like your last fort
>have to make the same crafting and repair/maintenance booths, with manual orders, just like your last fort
>do this forever
>for every fort you'll ever make

game really needs some sort of intuitive blueprinting to just slap down generic station presets for all the samey crafting, it's annoying doing the same thing over and over every time

>>718531983
And it's a fucking travesty because the rebinding was among the robust you've ever seen in anything ever.
You could bind as many different keys to same control as you wanted to. You could rebind letters to different letters if you wanted to.
Sure, half of them weren't necessary, but why get rid of it?
Kill all for that for a mouse-driven interface?!

>>718492132
>mods for blue printing
I’m certain base df has always had inbuilt blue printing and new df lets you auto designate rooms

>>718492196
I feel like if you make the effort to make a pump system to get a waterfall it’s not cheating

>>718486143 (OP)
>Dead game since 2012 because the commie developer can be arse to work anymore

how's the ranged combat rework? i've been meaning to roll a new fort since it came out.

>>718532957
you're looking for dfhack

>>718532957
don't know if it's nudf but it did have macro recording and playback. I'd normally use it for small repetitive commands but you could do more complex things like designating rooms, constructions, and setting... settings (though you have to wait for the structure to be built first and they have to be in the same relative position as the cursor when you run the macro, so not as useful if you're not building the exact same forts)

>>718527425
My minmaxed 2000 unit Gravship in Rimworld is more complex than OP's entire DF base and it's basically a mobile colony all on its own while my main base is on an asteroid that I've had to expand with steel bridges because I ran out of space. It's so big it lags my 9950X a bit during raids.
If you like raiding you should consider putting a wall of turrets on the side so you can land next to the base you're raiding and shred them to pieces while your colonists clean up the stragglers.

>>718534026
You don't need a pump system if you just make a channel straight from the river or ocean.

>>718534423
Rollan for some glacier kino

>>718488107
I'm right here

>>718534423
It works like a normal aimed attack now
AKA you can actually use it now.

Is it possible to punch through a Magma layer with a column of stone like an aquifer?

>>718534423
r

is it anything like oxygen not included?

>>718542374
I don't know what that is

>>718542470
space colony sim made by the same people who did don't starve

>>718542637
oh not really, maybe the 2D version were more like it, but not the latest decade of it.

>>718542374
If I stretch the descriptions a bit, I'd say it's like The Sims mixed with Nethack and Terraria or Minecraft.
You start off with 7 Dwarves and a wagon of supplies to last a while until you can set everything up. You can issue commands, and the appropriate dwarves will do the task, and in certain circumstances you can even make sure it's a specific dwarf, but you can't control any of them directly. (Unless you're playing an older version with Adventure Mode)
You can carve out the earth and build structures, but you can only view everything top down, one layer at a time.
Once you can make head or tails of the alphabet soup on your screen, it only takes a little more imagination to really see everything.

>>718542374
ONI is an actual game, df is some retard's attempt to make a simulation. the """game""" is a barely functional 0-loop moving picture tacked onto a bloated mess of code that's never once been cleaned up in more than 20 years.

>>718543312
Then why do people play it? For the memes?

>>718544280
ignore that retard, his whole personality is built around shitting on DF and praising RW

>>718540125
Using a controlled cave-in to form a tube of diggable rock through a body of magma?
Yes, as a long as the rock is magma resistant.
But if you want to use this to punch through the magma sea to hell, then the issue is that you will eventually hit the semi-molten rock formation that is a hard barrier between the overworld and hell and cant be dug conventionaly.

>>718544280
DF is an old game that had potential and people can't move on. There was a time when DF was your only choice if you wanted a modern colony sim.

>>718543312
>ONI is an actual game
cmon now

>>718486143 (OP)
>>718514760
>Can't play as the necromancer or undead
You fucking can even in vanilla

>>718542374
DF = people who play Minecraft for builds and RP
ONI = people who play Minecraft redstone engineering
I hope this makes sense

>>718545747
it does
shame DF doesn't have as much technical depth

>>718522693
You can make drunkards tank the curse for you

>>718543034
ai must be a blessing for DF nerds.
i stumbled down the DF rabbit hole a few years ago on youtube and there are so many hour+ long videos just telling the story of various dwarves or fortresses.

>>718545808
I'm remember reading that people have made computers using water, weight plates, and mechanism in DF
And then you have minecart shit like dwarven shotguns and magma cannons.
The issue with DF is not that cool stuff isnt there, is just that there isnt much meaningful in game aplications for the cool stuff

>>718486143 (OP)
>1x3 bedrooms
SOVLLESS

>>718546290
the thing about oni is that the more automation systems that are set up to move stuff around your base and refine them, the less your dudes need to do and the more time they have for recreation
i assume DF doesn't have a similar philosophy? or does it even have recreational buildings or facilities to begin with?

>>718546462
>i assume DF doesn't have a similar philosophy?
A bit but not much like ONI where you can play with materials, liquids temperatures animals, etc to achive the same thing a building would do
>or does it even have recreational buildings or facilities to begin with?
Temples, Taverns, Libraries, Guilds, Zoos, Museums

>>718486327
larper

any good mods for steam DF?

>>718551641
Not really
All the decent ones are on bay12 and for 47.05
Steam Fortress really killed the DF modding scene.

Is it really that poorly optimized?

>>718552191
Jesus christ you have no idea.
Toady is simultaneously a fantastic programmer and a terrible one.
He wrote DF and all it's detail on his own, but at the same time it never used multi-core processing, and has more bugs than an anthill.

>>718553047
At least we have multicore now, no thanks to him

>>718554319
We do?

>>718553047
>>718554319
>>718555241
games like dwarf fortress can't do multicore because it desynchs the timing on various interactions that need to be all part of the same thread.
the timing on them is just too tight.
same shit with C:DDA
gonna steal someone else's words here to blogpost:

>Multithreading only really works in games that have elements that can be ran independently from other elements. A physics engine is usually a single thread, because it almost always requires data before the next piece of calculated. Multithreading for a single element can only really be done if both threads can independently calculate whatever it is need without invalidating the other thread(ignoring stuff like branch prediction).
>A lot of multithreaded games now run in a high amount of threads where each element has one or more threads, this is how load is usually evenly distributed on these games. However this can usually lead to a symptom called "context switching" where heavier threads running on the same core as others can ultimately delay others, causing immediate frame drops or freezing. This is why this has to be done conservatively.
>Now Dwarf Fortress isn't a game you can easily multithread, and where multithreading will cause massive performance improvements(read it won't). The cost far outweighs the benefits.
>The reason is that the way DF history and progression works is that it requires every single piece of data being before the next piece of data can be executed. You can see this effect heavily during procedural generation. This is usually the case for any simulator-type game. Although you see stuff like graphics being executed on a different thread in some of these games nowadays, but DF is hardly a graphically intense game.

>>718556291
to put this in TLDR:
games like DF have to simulate time passing constantly and do a bunch of calculations for things that interact within that time.
that is where 95% of all the processing for the entire game is.
its basically one big physics engine, and physics engines pretty much need to run on a single thread for the same reason.

>>718555241
Yes
It was introduced post steam

>>718556291
>>718556425
But is there potential in splitting off the pathing/decision-making of the AI into a separate thread?
it might add some more uncertainty in the reaction times, but would that be a bad thing, per say?
I thought that was one of the biggest drains on the CPU as time went on.

>>718554319
>>718556653
You're thinking of multithreading, not multicore

>>718493336
Even if they have storage for it they still need time to haul it. And hauling their personal items is bottom of the queue. So chances are that it is stuff from busy dorfs that haven't had a break long enough to do it. But also make sure they have cabinets rather than chests.

>>718556291
Please stop being a fucking retard. There is no inherent sequential nature to updating many things across many cells all in one tick. If the game needs to calculate temperature change in every cell for example, it doesn't need to be done in a specific order.
The problem with multithreading is in preventing multiple threads from editing the same data at the same time. This is a solvable problem, but a harder one, which Toady wasn't capable of.
>>718556885
Pure pedantry. Multithread means it runs on multiple cores, in practice. That's the entire point of multithreading a game.

>>718556291
>>718556425
>>718556885
Anons I...

>>718552191
Pathfinding is a resource intensive process, and always will be to an extent by simple virtue of what is necessary to accomplish it. It is hard to get around that at all let alone for someone that isn't an actual programmer. And to make matters worse the game started life back when single core CPUs were the norm. As such everything was built around a sequential computational process. Which means to even take advantage of modern CPUs they have to reorganise what can be done side by side and what can't, and there is enough stuff in the game that directly interacts with other stuff that it becomes limited in what can be done like that anyway. It is definitely getting better and the new guy they have working on unfucking the clusterfuck seems to know what he is doing, but I imagine that Toady is probably a development bottleneck regardless of how good the other guy might be.

>>718557510
Why can't they implement the optimizations suggested by ChatGPT?

>>718556291
It depends. You are largely right but there is an argument that can be made that they can still chop up the computation for a lot of it to make it quick and just make it do multiple passes until finalised as a single tick. It might not end up as quick as modern multi-core processing that is designed to work side by side but as long as it is quicker than relying on single sequence processing then it is a net gain.

>>718557510
There are ways to make Pathfinding more efficient and that very fucking image gives you multiple.
Yes, the game was built around sequential tasks, but multithreading many different pathfinding tasks is not something groundbreaking and not something that'd have been novel and unique even in the late 00's. Not being able to update and fix that code in literal decades is also not really excusable.

>>718557637
Non-meme answer is that there is already too much other stuff competing for attention to be unfucked first. Pathfinding currently works even if sub-optimal in design. Other stuff doesn't and thus has priority to be fixed up. And realistically something as complicated as pathfinding optimisation can be a significant undertaking in itself, and really shouldn't be undertaken until they finalise other computational sequences and they know what can and cannot potentially be trimmed out of it.

>>718557882
oh right... not that anon but hasn't a bunch of small stuff been fucked since 2014 or something?

>>718557882
FPS death has been the biggest issue in the game for like 15 fucking years and pathfinding is one of the leading contributors to that.

>>718557838
>Not being able to update and fix that code in literal decades is also not really excusable.
Under normal circumstances I would agree, but Toady is not a real programmer. The real programmer they now have that is trying to fix all this shit basically has over a decade of amateur coding to untangle and optimise.

>>718557931
Yes. There is still a significant amount of 'minor' stuff that has gone unfixed for a long long time now. Some of it got addressed as part of Steam release and patching but overall there is plenty of outstanding. Going off the patch notes the priority seems to be getting Steam release version stable, bug fix most visible issues, and implement whatever optimisation they can whilst prepping for a major update that involved integrating LUA finally. The sort of optimisation people are clamouring for isn't the sort of thing that would be in a simple hotfix patch. It would be done as part of a major version release. And that requires Toady to do actual work in finalising content update or at least agreeing to what should be done and locked in place so they can work around it.

>>718558507
damn.
I kind of want to get back into it...
last time I played though was a steam release kind of early on...
I had a crazy start where my fortress land was a mix of iron and coal, shitloads of surface level amounts going down deep into the z levels.

Dude are you still operating off all thos old data to shitpost with?
LUA already IS implemented as of a few updates ago, and multithreading, pathfinding fixes, among other things and have been in for a while.

>>718558180
A lot of FPS optimisation was done with the Steam release and then multi-threading patch. It is noticeably better compared to older versions, or at least it can handle a lot more things existing/happening before the chugging becomes noticeable. But pathfinding is a significant chunk of it and has any number of other things tied into it that can limit what can be done with it. It definitely should be addressed, but it is a bigger undertaking that would involve finalising and optimising a bunch of things outside of pathfinding itself in order to happen.

>>718558594
Steam version now compared to at launch is definitely better. Though they keep introducing new stability issues if you are looking to use mods.

I finally got into elin and after i have my fun with elin i would want to try df how much more harder is it to get into df compared to elin.

>>718558838
I keep wanting to go back to that save, man.
because holy shit what better place for dwarves to settle than a place that has coal, lignite, and iron bursting out of the ground itself?

>>718558885
I am doing the opposite and having a time, hopefully you have better luck

>>718558902
Sand?
Flux?

>>718559048
both were present as well anon.
verified when I chose the site.
they weren't EVERYwhere like the iron and coal was but I was not lacking in them.

>>718486143 (OP)
>minmaxing in dwarf fortress
Absolute faggot of a redditor.

>>718559097
Nice

>>718557356
Toady is a math major. I'm positive he can throw in some OpenMP decorators into the existing code.
The real issue is cache anyway. The Great Entity/Item vector is huge and only grows with time.

>>718486143 (OP)
Nice