Thread 718525810

Why are SNK characters always so popular and loved in any and every game except their own ones from their own company? Mai in SF6 is like in the top 10 most popular and played Fighting Game characters today, while Terry might as-well be a Smash Bros character that got into SF6 as far as the majority are concerned.

>>718525810 (OP)
SNK is terrible at advertising its own games.

ready for the strive resurgence? Gonna become the 2nd biggest game surpassing mashen 8

>>718525810 (OP)
Old SNK has the best character designs in the genre, some of the best in the entire industry but they've been making disgusting looking games for over a decade. You forget how good the characters looked till someone who isn't incompetent is handed them.

>>718525810 (OP)
Oh Mai

Ronaldo

>>718525810 (OP)
Their games are bad and poorly marketed.

>>718527419
>Their games are bad
No.
>poorly marketed
Yes.

>>718527419
>Their games are bad
source?
>They don't se-
So you're saying Fifa, GTA, and Madden are the best Video Game Franchises ever then?

>>718525810 (OP)
I can't stop playing SF6 and raging my brains out. I can play silently and 'act' as if I'm calm, but I'm still burning inside, like I'm about to explode out of anger. Biggest game frustration of all time, pretty easily. After a session I usually mentally feel like I legit fought someone at a bar or something, same kind of feeling, like completely stressed out and drained and I can practically feel my hair detaching itself.

Yet I still keep playing. Sometimes I'm even excited to open the game.

Is this what unabomber meant by surrogate activity? How do you explain this behavior?

>>718527820
You have what is known as the Capkuck virus. It makes you continue playing dogshit even when you know said thing is dogshit and not worth playing.

>>718527820
Stockholm syndrome, play a better game.

>>718528424
>>718528619
No I actually like the game. I think most complaints about it are scrubquotes material and boomer shitters who are just butthurt that they can't learn anything anymore.

I'm not angry at the game, that is on the same level of spineless zoomer retard that whining about balance is. I'm solely angry at my own mistakes and at my opponents.

>>718528767
it's probably triggering feelings of insecurity and worthlessness from past trauma. unironically seek therapy

>>718528767
> No, my master is good, he didn't beat me too hard, its all my fault I got beaten by my master.
Sheesh anon.

>>718527820
>Is this what unabomber meant by surrogate activity?
did you get this analogy off 4chan? I remember spamming this argument years ago and now I keep seeing people repeating it.

Also, if you're getting mad at the fighting game its because you have accidentally linked it to your sense of self worth. The people I see getting really mad are people who think they should be better than they are, usually because of time invested, they interpret sucking at the game as them being mentally deficient.

>>718529429
I just get mad at the game when its clearly just scripted bots, if I wanted to fight bots I would pick another game. Its a shame nothing gets done about this shit in fighting games.
> Enemy only attacks the exact moment you press an action button with 0 tell and 1-5 frame attack.
huuuh??? Totally not scriiipts. That will boil anyone up because a good game was stolen from you regardless of win/loss situation. I enjoy the mind games not playing against a flowchart that's automated against mine which can have input issues due to the network delays with registering sensitive time relative inputs.

>new UNI update after a long time
>feel no desire to either play or even watch it
So this is how it feels like, burning out from a genre I mean

>>718527820
>>718529006
It's unironically normal to be frustrated, fighting games are online humiliation rituals

>>718532289
Only because bots who toggle cheats exist.
> Literally spam one or two moves to win game against a literal bot.
> Next game, guy toggles cheats and starts getting long combo strings...
Yeah, hard doubt on legitimacy of online ranking.

>>718532434
even outside the existence of cheaters it's still just a humiliation ritual. If you lose it means that you're inferior to the other

>>718532867
Not really, that's just cuck behavior man, it would matter if you go FT10 and lose, then yeah.

>>718525810 (OP)
Because snk is a company of very old and out of touch idiots and very new and young incompetents that they only stay there because snk scouted them fresh out of college/school.

>>718532983
>Not really, that's just cuck behavior man
losing is cuck behavior

>>718530340
I’m liking the update because Carmine didn’t get nerfed

>>718527820
Yeah, I've had the same experience with SF6 as well. I was grinding through the diamond ranks a whole afternoon, four months ago.
I got so fucking pissed during that time, I could legit punch anyone who dared to interrupt me. I've never felt like this before. Finally, I went to bed pissed off thinking that I would sleep that shit off. To my surprise, I woke up the next morning with a vague sense of anger. This is when I realised how dogshit this game was and how I'm wasting my time playing it. I finally reached the Master ranks the next week, but it was a hollow victory. After that, I felt nothing playing SF6, so I ended up deleting it.
It's amazing how bullshit SF6 is. I get my ass handed to me in other fighting games frequently, but in 3rd strike, for example, I never get that mad at losing a match, because it's always pretty clear when I get outplayed. Sf6/TK8 are huge mistakes.

>merkava worm recovery reduced again
I don't really get why but thanks kamone

>>718530203
If you know how to play the game there's no such thing as losing to a flowchart. By definition a flowchart is predictable so if you're aware of what he's going to do but you cant beat it then its an issue on your side. If you're just complaining that his flowchart was better then you then you're impotently whining that he's better than you.

I actually like the fact that 80% of the people you run into on the way up are flowcharts, they are like perfectly crafted training bots that each teach you a new skill.

>>718527820
SF6 is a meme of a game. It was solely made for casuals and jewtuber ""pros""".
I don't know why self-respecting fightan fans are still bothering with it.
You should either play another fightan from a previous generation or do literally something else with your life. Personally, I have discovered Matrimelee on fightcade, and Im having so much fun playing its arcade ladder mode

>>718536042
I feel the same way about strive and +R, modern fighting games are a whole other genre than traditional fighting games.

How long does it take you to master a fighting game?

>>718527054
I'm hype

>>718525810 (OP)
the characters are only cool when someone besides SNK is making them

>>718537532
>webm
That's fucking sick

>>718537532
>I don't know why self-respecting fightan fans are still bothering with it.
They dont. The only ones that keep playing it are mutts and people that make money

>>718539156
5 years minimum if you already have good fighting experience

>>718539363
>gets almost zero damage from the psych ball
>can juggle while taking damage because he has a long ass range
>Ends that juggling shit combo with a DR>CA3
>Steals you 50+ health with one (1) combo, all while he is at 90% health
Yeah, nothing personnel, bro. Its just Sagat being OP because he just got released.

>>718525810 (OP)
Holy shit looks like Miyeon.

Type lumina is better than uni2

>>718540353
>*Ends that juggling shit combo with a CA3>DR>HKx2(probably)
>*Steals from you 50+ health with one (1) combo, all while he is at 90% health
Fucking hell, I messed that up

Please buy Chipotle

Links and Execution needs to comeback but i fear it's too late for the genre

>>718540659
With that same move proration? With moon skills as is? With Vlov balanced the way he is? With shield wars being nothing more than mere rock paper scissors? With autocombos being so important to combo structure?

>>718540659
what parallel universe did you come from

>>718541417
long combos as a game design concept are pretty stupid. Execution should be in movement and other areas.

>>718530340
Enkidu getting actual buffs might make me actually try to play Uni2 instead of just spending a half hour on training mode every week

>>718540353
I think it's a neat, very specific and spectacular punish

>>718535460
I hope you fall down some stairs

>>718543632
Rude

>>718529429
It wasn't an accident

>>718525810 (OP)
I think you're looking at it from the wrong angle.
Both KOF 2002 and 98 are still popular to this day and you're bound to find a full fightcade lobby everytime you log in. Modern SNK fighters lack all the modernities that games such as SF6 introduce, including strong singleplayer modes, costumes for the consoomers (remember when SNK went 3D with XIV and didn't release a single costume?), a proper ranked mode and whatnot. Any SNK fan would rather deal with the broken shit you find in dream matches like 2002 than play a fighter that may lack a favorite character or two.

>>718525810 (OP)
funny thing about capcom is anything Marvel or SNK related which I love all stemmed from their games. aside that I could give less of a shit about capeshit or snk fighters.

Anyone up for some UNI2?

>>718546989
funny thing about OG 2002 is that it's slightly more balanced than 2002 Unlimited Match

UM has less tournament viable characters (nameless/kasumi and chris? always showing up in arcade tournament finals on youtube).

OG 2002 still has tiers but the gulf isn't as big so you see more variety.

>>718525810 (OP)
>Why are SNK characters always so popular and loved in any and every game except their own ones from their own company?
That's all SNK has, character/brand recognition, but nobody plays their games (because it looks like shit).

I think that's part of the "SNK curse". Something that's been known since they went 3D with KOF14.

>>718548157
Yeah but it has no King so it's poop

>>718548496
Just play Tekken

>>718548448
SNK games were already considered poverty when they were still doing basic bitch mid-90s Neo-Geo graphics in KoF and the company was going out of business in the early 00s. Maximum Impact was a much more average looking PS2 game than XIV was PS4 game but nobody cared, and XIII was always a small game.

>>718542595
Enkidu BUFFS? Like good ones?

>Daily SNK bad, Capcom good thread
Why did this start?

>>718549067
Because snk has consistently been making pants on head retarded decisions since like forever?

>>718539363
>>718540353
Don't look at V-ism combos in Alpha 3 or you'd have a heart attack

>SNK games look le bad
SF6 looks ABHORRENTLY fucking ugly yet people can't get enough of it.
The average person is a tasteless retard who equates high polygon count with good visuals.

>>718530203
>huuuh??? Totally not scriiipts
It's called a read, and your scrub ass is a Little Golden Book

>>718549067
Because CotW socks ass and SF6 is actually good.
But guess which game gets it's dick sucked by posers who don't play and which one gets constant shitposting for no reason.

>>718549067
SNK has been a joke for decades and /v/ is just giving them the treatment they deserve.

>>718525810 (OP)
>Why are SNK characters always so popular and loved in any and every game except their own ones from their own company?
All two of the SNK characters anyone gives a fuck about, being Terry and Mai. Maaaaaybe Leona. Other than that, no one knows or gives a fuck about SNK's generic ass characters. Terry caught on because he's cool and Mai caught on because she's got fat hangers. They aren't even the protagonists of their own series.

>>718549834
How is SF6 good?

Maybe if SNK fans spent more time playing games than bragging how their games are better than all other games their games would not be so fucking dead.

Even if i decided to agree that SNK games are better it does not matter in the end.
Id rather have a 8/10 girl that is down to fuck any time i like than a 9/10 girl that only wants to fuck once a week or month and only if i jump thru hoops.

>>718549527
The only good looking 3d snk game in the past years is samsho man. Sf6 has some stinkers but generally speaking I'd still rather look at the character I play there than beating the shit out of whoever else than cotw or kofxv.

>>718526794
that and their games are shit

>>718525810 (OP)
SNK games have dogshit gameplay and look like shit

>>718549016
Allegedly. I haven't really looked into it myself but from what I've heard Enkidu mains are very happy with the patch.

Grubbas, how are you enjoying the bara dragon?
It took me a little while to get used to the character since the triple attack muscle memory is heavily ingrained in my mind when playing this game, but his links are actually piss easy to do and his punches and kicks are satisfying as fuck.

>>718549067
SNKfags are massive posers and deserve to be shit on.
SNK itself hasn't been good in years and have been repeatedly embarrassed by other companies doing their own characters more justice.
SNK needs to sell their IPs to someone like Capcom.

>>718551014
>their games are shit
you just suck at them you faggot

>>718549067
Because SNK games suck. Have you considered that?

>>718551160
>SNKfags are massive posers and deserve to be shit on
What a bunch of bullshit

>>718551224
>SNK games suck
They don't, you utter retarded faggot. People are biased against them and only pretend to like their stuff whenever there's a crossover, they're the posers you retard, the games are good

SNK killed my family

Sad truth is only way a popular SNK game will ever come out is if Capcom themself make it by making Capcom vs SNK 3.

>>718549976
Terry is very much the protagonist of Fatal Fury

>>718549067
Because snk is a retarded company that makes mediocre games that can't even have the pleasantry of being very nice to look at. They had something with samsho but they royally fucked that up and killed the game in the crib.

>>718550181
I play games with less than half that easily, just don’t suck so much you have to fight silver tier players.

>>718551572
>Because snk is a retarded company that makes mediocre games
You're a faggot and none of this is true

>>718549067
I really don't understand it so I'm going to chalk it up to some schizo. The game's fun and tribalistic faggots always want to pit stuff against each other.

>>718549067
That's literally how it's always been in the US, Capcom's stronghold over there is too strong.
It doesn't help that SNK has made some very questionable decisions these past few years; their treatment of SamSho was absolutely fucking criminal and the way they handled advertisement for CotW was not great either. KoF XV is excellent all around though, at least.

>>718551468
snk should just sell the license to capcom

COTW is 32 bucks on cdkeys
convinced me not to buy it

>>718551468
>>718552156
>CvS 3
>made this decade
>by current Capcom
Holy fuck, no thank you.

>>718527225
Shame the last truly good looking KoF was 2000. Why people slurp the cock of XII and XIII are beyond me as they're fucking ugly character sprites even if they are well animated.

>>718552130
>KoF XV is excellent all around though
lol

>>718552352
Not an argument.
Also, you're a faggot.

>>718552221
You will not find a match

>>718552221
see >>718550181

>>718552221
ugly discord fighter

>>718551698
>none of this is true
How do you, even as an snk fan, look at the number of fuckups and detrimental shit they they've pulled over the last years and think they aren't even the slightest bit stupid? I love Tekken but the people responsible for Tekken 6, Tekken 7, Tekken 8 and by extension the abomination that is Tekken 8 s2 are very clearly complete retards who barely have a clue what they're doing.

>>718527054
I haven’t played in well over a year but a new patch and a regular ranked mode makes me want to pick it up again. I miss playing Bedman and ABA.

>>718552312
Modern capcom games are disgusting and even then id still rather they had the licence. There's still a chance Capcom can make an attractive looking game since their current direction is a choice, SNK is stuck making vomit out of incompetence.

>>718527054
last played in 2023
I'm coming back for the ranked patch
crazy how this game did as well as it did considering it tried it's best to keep you from playing

>>718552221
Eh better off waiting either for it to be like 20 dollars or for the rest of s1 to release which you should still be able to get it for around that amount by then.

>>718552221
Game is dead and overrated

>>718552679
>since their current direction is a choice
Yes, the choice to be greedy as fuck and cut corners at literally every turn.
Their meme in-house engine, the face scanning, body scanning and Indian workers are all here to stay. Capcom has been rewarded too greatly for their shit practices this decade, it will take AT LEAST 5 years or so before there is even a chance they start making good things again.

anyone want to play MK1

>>718525810 (OP)
MAI-SAMAAAA~!!

SNK games are like extrapolations on early 2000s meter focused FGs that carry the company legacy of iterating on their contemporaries' ideas, which in this day and age includes modern fighting game trends. In a weird way I'm glad they exist just for the sake of it, just because you probably won't get anybody else taking an angle like that on the genre in this climate. Everyone else is rooted in something completely safe and trying to reintroduce the wheel more so than reinvent it. SNK games feel like sequels while everything else is going for a soft reboot. It's kind of a treat if you're someone who's at least bullshit around in a lot of these games. I'll be sad if they have to divert from this and do something more sterile. Unless it's retuning KoF to be a carbon copy of '98 systems wise in which case I probably wouldn't mind at all, which in thie era of the genre generally regressing, would both fit the trend and be one of the more sensible things they could do.

Oh and get good graphics ffs, at least something with its own distinctive appeal like NeoGeo graphics were despite being dated even then. I think KoFXV came close and Samsho actually looks good, I don't know why they're appreciating trend in graphics took a dive with CotW.

this genre cannibalizes itself too much for how small it is

>>718553239
>I think KoFXV came close

>>718553239
KoF XV looks pretty good, yes.
The characters are not highly detailed but literally everyone looks the way they should. XV

>>718553239
>>718554040
Fuck, I cut my own post short.
XV Mai looks incredibly soft, it's super hot.

The boring answer is that the populace will absolutely not look at your game in droves unless its "photorealistic". The second most boring answer is if any 2D or 3D fighting game deviates even remotely from Street Fighter or Tekken, its met with mixed reception.

SNK games do not play like Capcom games. And apparently people refuse to learn.

>>718554385
But strive specifically got popular, got attention from even SF players and dbfz players and survived as long as it did because it isn't realistic looking at all but in a beautiful way. The problem is that snk's form of 3d is just lacking with the exception of samsho.

>>718549474
But I have. This is one of the reasons SF Alpha is one of my least favourite SF games.

>>718554385
> the populace will absolutely not look at your game in droves unless its "photorealistic"
This has literally never been true. SF 4 sold faster than SF6 and it wasn't photorealistic in any way, strive is doing well too and is anime as fuck. The most popular games in general are as far from photorealistic as you can get and fighting games are the last genre that should be adopting it. SNK is flopping because its ugly regardless or if its stylised or not.

>>718540507
Koreans can't be latinas

>>718557024
It is absolutely true, being photorealistic gives a game a gigantic boost with casuals and normalfags.
Street Fighter 6 is AMAZINGLY fucking ugly, just fucking hideous all around, and people praise its visuals. It is genuinely uglier than CotW and yet it's the latter that gets shit on for its graphics.

>>718551014
SNK has not released a bad KoF. Yet every SF since IV has been terrible. Coincidence?

>>718543602
>T. Hasnt played 3rd strike

>>718555503
Strive is not doing MK or SF numbers. Strive also threw out a lot of what made Guilty Gear unique for a more, stay with me here, grounded game. If you take out enough, you see the underlying foundation of Strive.

Its Street Fighter V.

>>718557308
Its a cheap trick to get casuals to think a game is expensive or premium but its separate from them liking it. Its also a complete stylistic dead end and is starting to be associated with cheap UE slop so capcom needs to pull out of that hole asap.

Third world normies who hate fighting games love the way mortal kombat looks, everyone loves the way strive and old capcom look.

>>718557376
Street Fighter IV and V are excellent, especially the last version of them. Street Fighter 6 is the only genuinely bad Street Fighter game Capcom has made after the original.
It COULD be fixed into something very playable, but the reasons it's shit are also exactly the same reasons it's successful so it will never be fixed.

>>718558018
I will never, ever take a SFV apologists opinion seriously. It was so shit it almost filled the genre, so many people stopped playing fighting games completely because of how shit it was.

>>718558226
Explain to me how it's bad.
I'm curious about which "arguments" you will parrot.

>>718558294
I've been arguing about this for almost a fucking decade, I'm so sick of repeating myself in excruciating detail I dont even want to talk about SFV ever again. Me saying I dont trust your opinion wasn't an invitation to have the same boring arguments we had endlessly 8 years ago.

>>718558226
It's also really funny cause I've been around this board since back then and this place definitely did not like SFV at the time. But /v/ is just full of the fakest FG fans. "No X character no buy.", "the last game was the last one that required skill". "bad netcode", "bad graphics", "trannies" whatever reason they need to not play the current game and dick ride the last one. Spun from the same cloth of loser that spawns LTG.

I love SNK and I think KoF15 looks decent enough, it just doesn't look interesting. Same with CotW which looks even less interesting. I don't know exactly what causes this... At least in SF6, a game with VERY divisive visuals (everyone at least here agrees that some characters like Lily and Kimberly look like racist caricatures and that game's "hip hop aesthetics" is cringe), you still feel the impact of attacks, you see details on Cammy's butt or Mai's dress. Attacks feel way more cathartic than in CotW where you just look at moving PNGs. It just doesn't activate my neurons the way SF6 and Tekken 8 do and I think casual audience feel the same.

Yeah, I think that's the reason SNK keeps losing the audience despite positive reception of their games: in other fightans there's enough detail in character models and backstages and attacks interact with each other in a more satisfying way.

>>718559438
>despite positive reception of their games
What positive reception?

>>718558767
I legitimately could not stand SFV until 2022 (having said that I might not have even played it since S2 at that point) but the only reason I stopped playing it after that is Kagemusha and the existence of Mexicans being a form of torture. Even with Luke I would say it ended in a rather better place than USFIV's Decapre/Elena/red focus shenanigans.

>>718558692
>HAS to chime in with the obligatory "SFV le bad" comment
>can't even be assed to explain why
Fine, whatever. To be fair, you DID parrot one of the main things people love to say about it in your original post: """so many people stopped playing fighting games completely because of how shit it was"""
Who are these people, exactly? Because even with the shit netcode (which IS one of the very few objectively bad things about the game) I never, ever struggled to find matches. Not during any season of the game. The game itself also did perfectly well in the tournament scene, both locals and majors. So who exactly are all these people who not only quit Street Fighter, but fighting games as a whole? Can you at least humor me with that one?

>>718558767
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned you can fuck right off with this one, I liked SFV since day 1 and I always expressed so, and I fucking hated SF6 since the moment it was revealed.
No, I will not somehow change my opinion of 6 when SF7 releases. Don't get me wrong, SF7 WILL be even uglier, shittier and further from Street Fighter than 6, but 6 will remain a piece of shit.

why is everyone itt saying that cotw is ugly
its not an amazing looking game but its not ugly

>>718560226
I really don't like what they did with Jenet
Hokutomaru looks like a fucking douchebag
Not a fan of Andy but don't hate it either
That's it, that's all the bad things I have to say about the visuals in it, I think it looks slightly better than KoF XV, a game I already thought looked good enough.

>>718559530
Nobody hates them as much as SF5/6, Tekken 7 Leroys or Tekken +8 on block. People are like "oh yeah, I love SNK, goood game! Finally an alternative to SF!" but then they just never play it because of the reasons I mentioned.

>>718560226
Anon look at your image man. That billy Kane looks fucking HORRENDOUS. At least use some of the characters they put some actual effort into like hotaru and rock.

>>718560368
>oh yeah, I love SNK, goood game! Finally an alternative to SF
Nobody says this.

>>718560368
>Finally an alternative to SF!
Literally no one says this. The same way no one says
>Finally an alternative to Tekken!
in regards to any other 3d fighter man. Get real.

>>718560554
>>718560675
I WANTED it to be an alternative to SF because the current gen SF is fucking trash. Otherwise, it wouldn't be an "alternative" it would just be a side game. Unfortunately, I didn't like how CotW turned out either so I simply am left with no current gen game to scratch the SF itch.

>>718560998
>I WANTED it to be an alternative to SF
Then you are fucking retarded for expecting something like that from a company that clearly doesn't and never will makes games like SF.

>>718561417
>clearly doesn't and never will makes games like SF
OK retard.

>>718526794
The advertisement is working, the games look like ass.

>>718560554
>>718560675
I see comments like that all the time on YouTube and shit. Whenever there's a VF trailer one of top comments is "finally no heat, no drive rush, no fireworks" etc. Same with CotW trailers: "FINALLY a true fighting game that rewards defensive play, so hyped for this". These are your upper-tier casuals who think they know what they want.

>>718561469
Just saying man I hate Tekken 8 but I'm not gonna "look for an alternative" to Tekken in vf or doa because that's stupid and there clearly is nothing that actually feels or plays like Tekken so I just erase Tekken from my mind, stop playing it and focus on other shit. Happier playing 2d games like strive, sf6 and mbtl along with general non fighting games than I have been with the last 6 years of constant Tekken 7 and Tekken 8.

I wanna play KoF 98 on Fightcade..
Does anyone know any videos about character's combos?

>>718560226
Sorry but the character designs are mostly ass but so are the new Street Fighter 6 characters.

>>718527820
you probably know you do something wrong despite knowing that you probably keep making the same mistakes

>>718527054
>mid-range character with a two-step system for conversions and movement options
I can't believe they're adding a character I already play into the game
She looks fun as fuck, I'm picking her up day 1

I hope that "removing dependency on wild assault" doesn't mean gutting some character's routing, especially like fS>Wild Assault as a whiff punishing tool
Also give Dizzy bugfixes already

>>718541558
>le vlov pissed in my cereal
>le autocombos
>le shield
Cool you don't play vlov isn't some broken SSS tier anymore if you ain't doing baby combos you won't have to use the autocombo links and shield spamming have been gutted also did you really make fun of rock paper scissors when playing fighting games? Fighting games ARE slightly more deep rock paper scissors nigger

>>718564059
For which characters