Thread 718578046

>"house is not le bad!!"
>house then asks you to wipe out the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good) for no good reason

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>the brotherhood
>(legitimate force of relative good)
I know this is bait but I'm still mad

>>718578083
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578046 (OP)
>(legitimate force of relative good)

...You know the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood was essentially censured for putting the wellbeing of the wastelanders above recovering technology, right? Like this lore is in Fallout 3

>>718578046 (OP)
I'd say it's more gay that House does stuff like fill in Vault 21 with concrete or wipe out the Kings because he feels like it

>>718578046 (OP)
who are you quoting?

>>718578046 (OP)
who the fuck cares about this jewish racemixing propaganda.

>>718578046 (OP)
no one is a good guy in NV

>>718578046 (OP)
it's been normie-fied. last real fallout game was fallout 2

>>718578046 (OP)
>they are going to make House the bad guy
He always was, did you not pay attention to the series?

>>718578046 (OP)
Decent ragebait

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)
Who gave them the right to control all technology? NCR and House has the right idea, eliminate these glorified raiders with power armor.

>>718578046 (OP)
There are no "legitimate force of relative good" in any fallout game, except the player himself (and that's optional).
Good people are incompetent and/or powerless against bigger factions, arguing about the series' bigger factions always ends up being a discussion about lesser evils, and the conclusion of every discussion always starts with "buy MY player character can[...]" because Fallout is an RPG.

>>718578393
the NCR are overglorified larpers and even tried to force everyone to use paper that was backed by nothing lol. house is just a fag. the only one with the right idea is yes man

>nigger is talking about this thread in his discord
holy epic have a bumperino

>>718578119
To be fair it was the case before FO4's terrible writing

>>718578046 (OP)
Mister house was always a bad guy, much like everybody in fallout nv

>>718578548
>even tried to force everyone to use paper that was backed by nothing lol.
Was backed by gold before the BoS blew it up. What has the BoS even done for the wastelanders besides loot old world tech and do nothing with it?

>>718578660
no way he has a fucking discord lmao
>>718578523
i'd imagine the word "relative" is exactly for that part

The brotherhood, NCR, and Legion all bring chaos to the mahove by being too powerful and having too strong of ideals. None of them have any chill.

the Brotherhood cut off connection with the East Coast BoS because they decided to save a couple of orphans from The Pitt.

the Brotherhood are a bunch of assholes.

>>718578671
>before FO4's terrible writing

You do know that Fallout 4's BOS is more in line with the original BOS's original mission right and that the Capital Wasteland Chapter as presented in Fallout 3 isn't representative of the faction right?

>>718578917
BoS are an isolationist group that hoard tech to prevent a new fuckup with it
That's the baseline
After that every chapter have a degree of variation and FO4's BoS is written like cartoon vilains without a spec of subtlety

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578758
>no way he has a fucking discord lmao
he's advertised it here before
also some /v/tard groomed his little sister on roblox

>>718579284
Yeah and they want to prevent another fuck up with it by destroying the Institute which is making a bunch of sentient(?) robot people that could replace others like skinwalkers. Their hatred towards the Institute and synths makes sense and there's plenty of things that FO4 does poorly but depicting the synthesis of FO3's heretic branch and the more traditional elements of the BOS isn't one of them

That's way more in line with how the BOS was depicted in FO1, 2 and NV than a bunch of noble chivalrous knights in FO3 to the point where in-universe the Capital Wasteland BOS actually acknowledged they deviated from their original mission and was cut off as a result of that.

>>718578214
He wipes out the Kings because they settled themselves as the actual governing force of Freeside, and House wants Freeside to be his while its inhabitants want to be independent. They refuse his authority.
He fills up the vault to prevent anyone from using it as a hideout.

>>718579284
>FO4's BoS is written like cartoon vilains without a spec of subtlety
In what way are they like cartoon villains?

>>718578046 (OP)
Not on my playthroughs.
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/73285

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

Screenshot this post, they're going to make Caesar a white supremacist/MAGA standin

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578317
I think you're the one who needs to pay more attention.

>>718579910
would be the strangest character change of them all, when you walk around the Fort and the Legion camps around the map you find Legion soldiers of all skin tones and Caesar himself doesnt seem to have any trouble with this because any person willing to help or work for the Legion is a fine person in his books.
the only thing he's against in terms of diversity is women being on the frontlines, and of course, colonized tribes and towns having a culture of their own.

>>718578046 (OP)
>Vaulties

>>718578237
Cope Chadout 3 kicks Troon Vegays’s ass any day.

reminder that originally House could ally with the BoS, but Obsidian removed it because it was too much of a golden ending.

The BoS were a legitimate force for good. When they found out the US Government was producing the FEV bio-weapon at the base Captain Maxson deserted, personally shot all the scientists involved in it and pulled his rebel force out to bunker innamountains. But then WW3 happened so they didn't get in to a shooting war with the criminal US Government--which was busy evacuating/saving their own asses.

>>718578317
House isn't evil, he's just narcissistic.
In terms of "good" endings he's easily #2 and arguably #1. Excluding Yes Man which is a total wild card since it relies on the player.

>>718578046 (OP)
>for no good reason
well the main reason was that players liked him too much so the devs needed something abhorrent for him to make you do and turned something optional into something mandatory

the in-game explanation is that they're a long-term threat to him because they're zealous tech hoarders and his would-be empire runs on tech. they're natural enemies. in the original version where it was optional, your argument to him was basically that the dam battle is too important to lose and it's worth leaving a long-term enemy in order to ensure victory at the dam.

>Hello Courier, my name is Mr. House and in the before times, I was good friends with casino owner Ronald Crump and all-around perfect high-society concierge Janine Minwall
They won't be able to help themselves

>>718580746
>well the main reason was that players liked him too much so the devs needed something abhorrent for him to make you do and turned something optional into something mandatory
Faggot devs.

>Brotherhood is good
Fo3 indians, back to Mumbai. You're not welcome in the civilized world.

>>718579603
>He wipes out the Kings [because he's gay]
>He fills up the Vault [because he's gay]
Yep

>>718580552
The first thing the Brotherhood does in the Fallout series is force the player to go into The Glow (most radioactive place in California) and don't come back if they don't find some shit they want.

>>718581251
>retard hasn't played FO1

>>718578046 (OP)
Oh that's good. I see the hook but I still want to bite.

>>718581439
that was one guard, and the guy next to him thinks that's fucked up.

>>718580732
if there's an "intended" ending, it's yes man. the entire point of lonesome road is that the three major factions all have old world blues and will just repeat the mistakes of the past and that you have an actual proven record of building up communities in a uniquely new world way.

>>718581489
ah yes, the tech horading psychos who kill people unilaterally due to their own greed are definitely great people

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718581623
literally never happens.

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good) for no good reason
Peak bait

>>718579284
F04 BoS was right btw

if the Brotherhood of Steel was evil they would be called the Evilhood of Steel thus they are good guys!

debate me, you can't

>718578046
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718581578
>yes man is intended
New Vegas should be a perfect utopia run by my OC perfect God-Courier with maxed 10+ intelligence and a general ethos of “be perfect” as well as the deep character and philosophical story telling involved with my OC being perfect as a warrior, lover, and governor

So anyway im trying out that "a forest" mod for FO4. Its pretty neat.

>>718582296
i'm talking more about the courier as they're actually written in game

>>718578046 (OP)
Actual Fallout fans (1, 2, Tactics) don't exist as a group anymore.

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)
While House is a worthless, lying scumbag, the Brotherhood of Steel, especially the ones in the Mojave deserve to be annihilated.

>>718580428
Wtf is this try hard retard shit I see every now and then

>>718582489
>the courier as they're actually written in game
>as a messianic murder cannibal launching nukes at civilizations in between bouts of donating to the followers of the apocalypse with medicine as well as the fiends (drugs)
I’m not going to keep posting unique images to mock you

>>718583109
you can just say you haven't actually played the dlc it's ok

>>718582765
Shut up, House.

>>718582765
When has house lied?

>>718583190
but I did, I even befriended bear bull man, forgot to appease an actor ghoul who shot at me, and killed several robotic scorpions
But I’m not sure what that has to do with the inherent flaws of an OC ending or how boring it is to assume it or even discuss it

>>718581703
>oh right uhh, you can join the BoS...BUT ONLY if you go get a piece of technology from that giant hole full of enough radiation to power up a nuke thats thousands of kilometers away from here, where several people including our own paladins have died trying to even get inside it.

>>718583593
literally not what the other post was saying at all.

I have never hoped any more harm on a studio than Bethesda. Theres just somethign so vile about the way they neglect this series.

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)
this is true
without the brotherhood much technology and knowledge would be lost forever

>>718578284
Playing Fallout 2 was like being on reddit.

>>718578046 (OP)
>relative
>good
So....which is it?

>>718583762
But anon, think of the drooling irradiated retards that need your help???

Name 1 thing the Brotherhood of Steel do wrong in Fallout 1 or 2.

Hard mode: not "the door guard is a bit mean and sends you on a purely voluntary quest to the Glow"

>>718581578
>intended ending
It's the ending you get when you fuck up everything else, leading to anarchy and even more widespread violence in the wasteland.

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718583714
Bethesda games radiate resentment for their audience. Emil straight up hates the fans because they know he's a hack.

imagine thinking the BoS are good guys because you only ever played Fallout 3. lol, lmao

>>718583981
They didn't send an army out in the wastes to find mutant boogeymens.

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718584225
Fallout 3 BoS are pretty close to the BoS in the canon ending of Fallout 1 where they become protectors of the wasteland and help reintroduce technology

>>718578046 (OP)
>your first interaction with LE good guys is them stripping you down and putting a bomb collar on you at gunpoint

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718584225
i played 1 and 2.
The BoS are Neutral at worst, most of what they do in the series is good.

/tv/ exists, get the fuck out.

>>718583981
>decided to hoard technology, the same technology that destroyed the Old World, neither destroying said tech to prevent a repeat of history but nor are they sharing it with outsiders to rebuild society
>just raiding all over the wasteland, shooting anyone who gets in their way, then sitting on their stolen technology forever, as their numbers dwindle with each generation of inbreeding, keeping it all for themselves
They were never good guys. They're guys you have to ingratiate yourself to in order to get their resources and training so that you can then go solve the actual problems in the wasteland while the BoS fuck their cousins in their shit-covered bunkers.

>>718584397
>protectors of the wasteland

>>718578237
This LOL

>>718584479
in what way is stealing all the tech in the wasteland and hoarding it for themselves, usually gunning down people to do so, 'good'? I'm genuinely curious, this is gonna be some amazing mental gymnastics.

>>718584527
>They're guys you have to ingratiate yourself to in order to get their resources and training so that you can then go solve the actual problems in the wasteland
And in Fallout 4 you don't need them for either of those things

>>718580968
>>718580746
They were right to do it, it makes siding with House harder and also feels more in-character with who he is. The fact that you still think about it and still find
issue with it makes it an interesting and impactful decision.

>>718584646
>in what way is stealing all the tech in the wasteland and hoarding it for themselves, usually gunning down people to do so, 'good'?
most people in the wasteland are evil.

>>718578046 (OP)
>rock solid
>pirate nation
>always the gayest posers, always posting these threads

>>718578046 (OP)
>>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718584527
BoS in Fallout 1 are happy to trade technology with the wastelanders and at no point do they raid anyone or steal anything from the living.

Either you haven't played the originals or you're letting their portrayal in New Vegas override your memory.

>>718584684
>most people in the wasteland are evil.
yea, like the people who go around in armour suits, shooting people, and taking their stuff

>>718584646
>in what way is stealing all the tech in the wasteland and hoarding it for themselves, usually gunning down people to do so, 'good'? I'm genuinely curious, this is gonna be some amazing mental gymnastics.

How is that different from the player character?

>>718584735
hello saar

>>718584896
>DON'T CALL OUT MY BASED XITTER FAGS, SARRS

>>718584684
What kind of fucking defense is that supposed to be? lmfao
>>718584843
The player character doesn't murder people for loot unless you decide to do so, dumbfuck

>>718584840
or, y'know, the literal hordes of unwashed savages ready to rape, kill and eat you.

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718584556
>The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life, on both sides of the conflict. The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into New California, with little disruption or chaos. The Brotherhood wisely remains out of the power structure, and becomes a major research and development house.

Word for word from the canon ending of the first game.

>>718585001
Then quit murdering people for loot anon

>>718585071
>The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life

>>718585071
i really think anon hasn't played the Interplay games, where outside of the Glow quest the BoS are just straight up good guys.

>>718578317
This vexes me

>>718578046 (OP)
Libertarians are ontologically evil

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718578046 (OP)
>brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>THE BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL IS EVUL
>they protect Helios from the NCR
>lose it
>the NCR’s first instinct is to hire a literal smoothtalking retard pretending to be a scientist as the head scientist, literally named Mr. fantastic, in charge of a power station housing a super weapon
>the only difference between that and irl is that Mr. fantastic isn’t an indian
>the brotherhood of steel is wrong for hoarding technology away from people like that

You have to be a literal brick chewer to think they’re in the wrong.

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good

Everybody bad but House would probably be the best. Dude just wants to be the man in charge.

Fallout was never good.

>>718578046 (OP)
>game that came out 15 years ago

Boomer, it's time to wake up to the passage of time.

>>718582852
The Truth isn’t try hard

>>718581652
>>718578205
>fallout thread
>multiple redditfrog posts
goyslop franchise

>>718583428
His obituary is full of lies.

>>718585236
I'd argue they are more neutral but have good people within it. Maxon has to straight up go behind the other Elders backs to actually help the Vault Dweller as they originally wanted to ignore the mutant problem because it could be dangerous. Maxon and Rhombus manage to keep the mess that is the elders in check for some time. Much like the NCR cracks formed when the old guard leaders died but the hairline fractures were always there.

>>718585347
Elijah's plan for Helios was to use the space laser to murder innocents.

>>718581703
It happens in the opening movie...

If you don't only recruit Veronica for easy bunker access, only to blow her and the rest of those shitters up, you don't know SHIT about vidya.

>>718580428
>>718585470
Are you grabbing this straight from Sharty or something? What the fuck is this?

>>718585740
No it doesn't.

>>718579554
So 90% chance OP is just said twitter fag advertising himself

>>718578046 (OP)
The Fallout TV Show is tailor made to appeal to normies. it was not made for the fans in the first place

>>718585740
the opening movie that’s about the annexation of canada by the usa and has nothing to do with the bos?

>>718585347
Their enemies being incompetent doesn't make wanting to utilize said super weapon to smite your enemies a morally good thing.

>>718585770
Newfag

>>718578046 (OP)
>the brotherhood (legitimate force of relative good)

>>718585470
who is guy top right

>>718585347
>the NCR’s first instinct is to hire a literal smoothtalking retard pretending to be a scientist as the head scientist, literally named Mr. fantastic, in charge of a power station housing a super weapon
This move in fact was a rather good outcome, as it stopped the NCR from even finding out about the super weapon, had they hired someone competent hey would have just had it, but in not doing that they allowed for an outcome where people actually use the station for power which neither the brotherhood wanted nor would the NCR if they knew the truth.

>>718586000
It's why I don't care. It's not made for me so I don't watch it. I'll save my rage for Fallout 5

>>718582852
>>718585770
These started popping up two years ago, ish, when the 'actually FO3 was good and FNV is bad' threads were first picking up steam. The images were usually accompanied by astonishingly horrendous English, but whether it was purposeful or not is left up to the reader.
Either way FO3 brainlets fell for it and believed these to be genuine critiques of FNV and praise for FO3, and now we are here.

>>718578046 (OP)
mohave chapter are unredeemable assholes besides raping lesbian companion and her bald gf as sex slaves

>>718578917
Nope maxson autism with the synths has nothing in line with a bunch of armored guys in a bunker that does nothing to supermutants unless you ask them

Fucked up but I like how bos and enclave are reduced to almost nothing in nv. Makes their armor feel way more badass to wear. It’s a shame you don’t get attacked by the ncr for wearing the remnants armor, but it is cool that arcades endings can have him be whacked by the ncr for helping ppl while wearing his dad’s armor