Thread 718582805

>not even out yet
>already forgotten

i don't vibe with it. Too much cod influence

it took me a while to realize it, but i dont think squad commanders even have the ability to call in air strikes and things like that when their squad gets enough combined points. I never had anything like that happen to me on any maps, but I was also never squad commander so I didn't get to try and do it myself.
Did they just straight up remove that feature from this game, or was I not noticing it?

the battlefield subreddit never has been more active

>>718582805 (OP)
it feels more like a mw2019 sequel than bf.
>>718583043
not a thing anymore

>>718583132
Maybe you should go back there

>>718583154
>not a thing anymore
jesus fucking christ. I will never play this game, even when its free

>>718583219
So you admit the beta was a success and the game isn't forgotten

>>718582805 (OP)

game needs
>female soldiers removed
>way slower healing
>aim punch
>movement speed slowdown when hit
>headshots that actually matter (rifle = 1 hit kill or close)
>larger maps with bases and vehicles
>nerf accuracy way down when moving/jumping
>no automatic spotting
>less markers in the UI overall, way cluttered right now

>get the absolute jump on an unaware enemy
>he whips around 90 degrees and insta-kills you
either the gamepad aim assist feels far worse to go up against than i thought or i'm just not cut out for shooters anymore. regardless, i'm not paying a hundred fucking maple dollars to repeatedly spawn and die.

It'll be the bro shooter I play over the holidays since the genius at Microsoft think COD going back to it's worst era is a good idea.

I just can't do it anymore. I have no desire to play this game.

>>718583434
You're not cut out for shooters anymore, I didn't experience this at all during the beta unless I was using an underpowered weapon which the beta had many of.

>>718583394
>female soldiers removed
dont care
>way slower healing
healing outside of a medkit is pretty slow already
>aim punch
strongly disagree. it's an annoying feature
>movement speed slowdown when hit
100% agreed
>headshots that actually matter (rifle = 1 hit kill or close)
100% agreed
>larger maps with bases and vehicles
EA says they're coming, anon. just trust them and preorder the $99 ghost edition
>nerf accuracy way down when moving/jumping
unbelievable that this isn't in already
>no automatic spotting
the biggest issue with BF6
>less markers in the UI overall, way cluttered right now
they're probably pandering to zoomies

i've been binging pvp shooters in VR and now a KB+M shooter just doesn't gel for me at all, except for gimmicky shit like EDF

>>718583816
Isn't auto spotting just on snipers or are there other ways to get it?

>>718583816
>strongly disagree. it's an annoying feature
what is more annoying is being killed by a sniper mid burst when 3 of your bullets already hit them

that shit shouldn't happen

it doesn't need to be drastic, but there should be some

>>718583789
i just don't get it. every bullet from a full auto medium range weapon sunk into their chest or head and they live. my damage readout is a complete spattering of shots everywhere and i'm the one facing a respawn timer.

>>718583973
i didn't touch sniper class once and i felt like my targets were being pinged somehow

>>718583993
nonsense. any trained sniper can remain perfectly still and steady while hollow point rounds enter their shoulder and exit their ass

Supression needs to be buffed quite a bit before release

>>718582805 (OP)
I think it says a lot that EA said they rolled these maps out to focus on the "high-octane" infantry close quarters gameplay that people like (literally zero people has said that's what they like about battlefield and it explains why it plays more like CoD than a BF game). If the other maps play like the ones in the beta (they will) then this game is screwed on launch and their best hope is to tweak the game modes to actually be large-scale like the in-game descriptions claim them to be and add larger maps in future DLCs. However, if these DLCs won't be free (they won't) then there's no way in hell I'm buying this game.

I am tired of multiplayer FPS, kidgamers and zoomers are the new market for such games. I don't even blame COD for appealing to them with meme rot

6 of the same game is too many, and there's more than 6

>>718583816
>healing outside of a medkit is pretty slow already
main issue i have is it kicks in way too fast

a sniper you failed to kill with a rifle because you need like 4-5 hits to kill them is back in action after a few actions

>>718584329
>few actions
seconds

>PS3 graphics
>Named soldiers
>Less maps than BF4 (2013 PS3 game)
>Less weapons than BF4
>Maps are small as shit
>Weapons don't sound like weapons
>Soldiers move like crazy even tho they have like 50 kg of gear on them
>No server browser
>Aim assist
>Battlepass
>Bots in servers
>Female soldiers
>No artillery
>Worse destruction than BFBC2 (2010 PS3 game)

>>718582805 (OP)
The worst part of modern Battlefield is they've effectively removed any "fun" from the games. Remember how I. BF3 and 4 you could launch vehicles with C4 and pull off insane shit like having a tank or LAV on top of a building? Hasn't existed in years now. BF1 at least still had the benefit of solid infantry gameplay, but every game since can't seem to replicate any of the good things Battlefield is known for.

>>718584439
I'm surprised more people haven't talked about the graphics. I swear we've had Battlefield games that looked better than this, even when it comes to meshes and textures. The glove on the NATO soldiers looks like it literally has one massive, stretched polygon on the back of it for detail. I also recall my 1080ti handling BF4 on highest settings with a lot more shit happening in a server, with no hiccups, and BF6 barely runs on my 4070ti. I really don't understand why this game is so heavy on the performance. Is the meme about companies not optimizing their games true? Do they genuinely not even bother?

>>718582805 (OP)
Too much CODddler pleasing.
>L-levolution is shit? Actually we want you to play on COD maps but with worse respawns
>All guns have bloom (despite people shitting on it since BF1)
>Classes don't really matter, want a medic with a sniper? Go for it?
>Overwatch-tier skills

>>718584062
I looked into it more. Recon can auto spot at a distance and it seems every class has a auto spotting radius around them.

They should definitely take out proximity auto spotting.

>>718583132
I farmed like 20k karma just by shitting on people who want a close weapon system

>>718584713
>All guns have bloom (despite people shitting on it since BF1)
That's the opposite of a CoD pleaser though. Battlefield players like guns having inaccuracy. CoD players don't.

Squads need a rework.
>Can spawn on any squaddie, not just the SL (I have mixed feelings about this but admit it works better for the average matchmade casual)
>SL isn't replaced for inactivity
>Squad members can't request orders
>SLs don't have a mechanism or incentive to work together as there is no command channel and suggested orders are given automatically
>no commander at all
>no command abilities like radar, airstrike, vehicle delivery that would support squads in need

Nobody uses in-game chat because every consolefag is in a party and every PCfag is in Discord, so the creation of a tiered chat and voice system like the old BF games had would be a waste. And the relative complexity of commander oversight > SL orders > individual effort vs "mash space to respawn on the nearest dot and shoot at the nearest thing" is inaccessible to the average 90 IQ American gamer. But at least give us auto-demote on inactive SLs. Let the few who want teamplay participate.

>>718584713
there's nothing wrong with guns having ""bloom"". Did you know guns are not perfectly accurate? And that whoever is shooting is not perfectly accurate either?

>>718586003
they're not gonna change anything, casuals and streamers loved it

>>718586162
This. Feedback overall was "BATTLEFIELD IS SO BACK" through reddit and such. That's all EA needs to hear. They'll address one or two of the major concerns but EA has already put out a press-statement saying "more maps are coming" which translates to "look, we know most of you liked it so we're just gonna make this statement so that you'll buy our game anyway, because you won't be able to get your money back when you realize it's too late for a refund".

EA already won because the sheeple masses gave into preordering or buying day one (which defeats the purpose of not preordering).

>>718582805 (OP)
>CoD already overtook it in sales and the beta isn't even out for another month
lmao

>>718587096
That wasn't feedback, that was literal marketing. The pre orders are the only things they "heard".

>>718585431
>Battlefield players like guns having inaccuracy
Is this true, or are they just so bad that they don't even notice the massive spread anyway?

>be in brooklyn NY - everything is purple
>spain - everything is purple
>egypt - everything is purple
>go into nvidia control panel, lower blue and red gamma to 0.9, looks unfiltered, perfect and amazing, especially egypt
why the FUCK do they do this shit

>>718582805 (OP)
I want to purposely forget it.

>>718587171
Toggle to singlefire to shoot at that range. It's near perfect accuracy and you can countersnipe with the shittiest weapons.

>>718584707
>and BF6 barely runs on my 4070ti
ran flawlessly on my 3080 at like 144fps with no dips or at least 100fps with no stutter whatsoever
they optimize for the cards people have the most first

>>718587171
>still posting this webm when he would've missed most of his shots even if they were lasers coming from the reticle
(you)

>>718587716
what settings tho? that's what I mean, you're kinda cherry-picking here lol

no one is impressed if you lower your graphics to ps3-levels and then it runs "fine" on your 3080, bro

>>718587565
You reminded me of how everything in BF3 was tinted blue, the fuck was up with that.

>>718582920
I got this old school game yesterday because I enjoy the Vietnam setting but it needs more ferns to have fun.
https://youtu.be/xmq3aKe_XyA

>>718583043
When the shit was that ever a thing? Even in Bad Company 2, best you got was recons could call in mortar strikes with binocs, not that those bush wookies ever fuckin did it.

*frens
Maybe you like it.
>>718588112

>>718588112
hell let loose: vietnam next year, apparently. it's just a different battlefield, really.

>>718586003
>SL isn't replaced for inactivity
>Squad members can't request orders
These were pointless and stupid features from previous games, do you actually need the few extra points from capturing and holding the 1 of 2 points your team is currently attacking in rush or breakthrough?
And if you want to have some team cohesion in conquest just stick to your squad mates, be the proactive party, maybe you'll inspire others to do the same.
Make your own squad if you want to be squad leader if that's what this is about.
I don't mean to come off as abrasive, I just don't understand the rationale behind those two gameplay elements.

>>718586003
No.
>Can spawn on any squaddie, not just the SL
This has been a thing for a long time, and SL only is retarded.
>SL isn't replaced for inactivity
Also fine, because it was far too aggressive in older games. In 2042 in particular, I get told to give an order or sacrifice squad lead position within 30 seconds of an order I gave being completed.
>Squad members can't request orders
Valid point finally.
>SLs don't have a mechanism or incentive to work together as there is no command channel and suggested orders are given automatically
When has there been a command channel? There is a squad VC and text chat channel. It's up to people to use it.
>no commander at all
Hasn't been there since BF4.
>no command abilities like radar, airstrike, vehicle delivery that would support squads in need
Hasn't been there since BF4.

>>718587565
Sounds like your monitor is the thing that's fucked. None of those maps were purple on my system.

>>718588135
BF2 and 2142 I believe.

>>718587341
I do consistently well in these games, and I do like the inaccuracy of the guns to a point, they should be inaccurate at long range, less so at medium, and at close they should be a laser.
This element has definitely been tuned down over the years, but I prefer it to just having a laser at every distance.

>>718587341
nta but it's true, it slows down the gameplay and makes it more hectic with bullets flying everywhere from a bunch of players and ironically more tactical when you have difficulty engaging more than 1 or maybe 2 targets at a time. in BF3, BF4, and BF6 they've been tweaking the bloom with each iteration so it's much less of a factor and you started seeing full-auto weapons mulching more and more people from farther away. In BF6 it's basically non-existent unless you purposely try to find it by being retarded.

>>718587834
nta again but I got it running like 100fps without any dlss crap on my 3080. Mostly high settings I'm pretty sure but disabling the usual garbage things devs try to push on people like ambient occlusion, motion blur, film grain, etc.

>>718583973
Spotting is just snipers but you get 3d markers, the diamonds, above guys your looking at so they don't disappear in all the clutter. It's like the dorito hunting of old.

>>718587640
>tap fire
>2nd shot flies way over the head of my target
lol no

>>718588507
Artillery was a commander ability on a cooldown in those games. Squad leaders could ask but it was entirely up to what the commander felt like. And it was usually left to him because he had satellite so he had a much better picture of where it'd be appropriate.
Asking for UAV/supplies/vehicles usually worked though. Unless someone else needed it more.

>>718587783
>you're not allowed to miss shots naturally, you have to artificially miss shots on top of that so I can have a good time!
battleshitters, everyone

>>718588705
That's not your webm huh? Because That's just not true for any gun in my experience.

>>718588605
>they should be inaccurate at long range
Why?

>>718582805 (OP)
Its COD with vehicles. Fuck EA

Should have known they would fuck this up

>>718588816
Then you didn't play the beta

>>718588685
>In BF6 it's basically non-existent unless you purposely try to find it by being retarded.
>one of the top players that everyone claims cheats because his aim is so good can't hit a target at a reasonable distance using the most accurate AR in the game because a RNG algorithm determined that his bullet should fly in a different direction than he was aiming multiple times during the engagement.
I guess it is huh

>>718588802
the fuck are you talking about, most of his shots would've missed regardless of bloom.

>>718583394

you forgot
>minimum 60 tick servrrs

>>718589269
He misses over half of the shots due to random spread. This is the opposite of skill. Spread reduces the skill ceiling.

>>718588896
Because that's how guns work in real life, it's why the military has special roles and guns specifically for touching targets out at distance.
The concept Battlefield is trying to depict with bloom is called MOA(minute of angle) before you reply to me with some bullshit take about how I'm wrong.
I like a tinge of realism in my games without being overbearing, if you struggle to do well in Battlefield and blame it on the bloom, it's not the bloom, it's you.

>>718588135
>>718588507
>>718588757
Did you guys even play BF:V?
Squad leader could call in handful of different support abilities ranging from a smoke screen, artillery, a directed strike, and even a couple of big rockets like the V-1.
They gave those support call-ins from the commander role in previous games directly to the squad leaders but you'd never know it since you would rarely get a squad leader that knew they existed.
I swear, the battlefield community is filled with some of the dumbest people on the planet.

>>718588896
Do you want to get beamed in 1 frame beyond 100 meters? Because that's exactly what 2042 used to be like.

>>718589524
No it's not. Also, Battlefield isn't a realistic game.
>flying doritos so you can track enemies through walls
>tinge of realism
Fuck off, you disingenuous faggot

>>718589837
I actually didn't, no.
I was just replying to the guy bringing up 2/2142. I don't know how V worked so I won't talk about it, but I do know how 2/2142 commander worked so I'm happy to talk about that.

>>718589939
Yes, if someone can control recoil and compensate for bullet trajectory at that distance, they deserve the kill. In fact, that's how snipers have always been in Battlefield as well.

>>718588896
It helps enforce weapon roles pretty well. I prefer "my gun cannot reliably hit at this range so I'll reposition before shooting" to "my gun's damage has dropped by half at this range so I'll shoot for longer than usual to kill that guy".

>>718589837
>Did you guys even play BF:V?
I'm not trans, so no.

>>718589994
You are one of the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet, I just need you to know that.
Don't bother replying to me because I won't be replying back.

>>718589995
Understandable, I don't blame you for not playing V, I honestly haven't loved a BF game since 3, every installment after has either been okay or fine at best in my personal opinion.
>>718590120
Out of curiosity, which titles have you played from the Battlefield franchise?

>>718590115
Not really, there are several other mechanics that already do that like recoil, rate of fire, bullet damage, damage dropoff ranges, muzzle velocity, bullet drop etc.

>reinstall 2042 to unlock the bf6 skins
man it's crazy how much this game fucking sucks

>>718590096
You're thinking like someone who wants to play a mindless deathmatch when you should be thinking like someone who wants to play a cohesive objective based game where every role has its place.
I don't think battlefield is the game for you, buddy.

>>718590160
>gets BTFO massively
>throws a tantrum and storms off
LMAO. I accept your concession dude. Thanks for letting me know.

>>718589837
Most of /v/ didn't play it because /v/ doesn't play videogames and the rSJWs got triggered by some marketing stunt. The rest didn't play it because it was shit, just like 1 before it.

>>718590620
>cohesive objective based game where every role has its place
You can do that perfectly fine without an RNG inaccuracy generator that is designed to flatten the skill ceiling.
>I don't think battlefield is the game for you, buddy.
BFV was great, it didn't have the spread horse shit. But you're right, this console slop Battlefield 6 is not for me, it's for bad players who want to get head pats from EA and told that they're strategic geniuses, or whatever horse shit you think you came up with to make up for your lack of skill.

>>718590572
The only one of those that can really impair you is drop and velocity, though. Lower damage means you shoot more to make up for it, and recoil means you might have to shoot more slowly to compensate. Either way, you'll still get the kill, it just takes you longer. As long as you can deal with the drop and still hit, at least. There's a big difference to me between dps going down and gun not even reliably hitting.

>>718590368
Like dumped enough time in to have a decent idea on what's up with the game?
1942-BF4 except for 2142, I didn't really fuck with that one for some reason.
I technically have played Hardline-V but not enough to know about them that well, clearly lol
I played 2042 all day yesterday cuz the 6 beta gave me the itch

>>718590825
My friend, you have outed yourself, every single Battlefield has had weapon bloom, even BF:V.
Why do people come here to lie about something as inane as video games?

>>718590620
The funny thing is that they want this type of gunplay but at the same time they whine about the 'openness' in BF maps.

>>718590096
shut up zoomer

>>718582805 (OP)
Me and my 30y/o boomer friends didn't enjoy it much, the maps honestly just fucking suck and everyone online is coping that they're saving the big maps for release. There's a good foundation there and might be worth getting after a few updates and a sale.

>>718590987
No it doesn't

>>718591723
You're that dumb motherfucker, aren't you?
You never did play any of these games, huh?
Just get a kick out of arguing about things you know nothing about?
God, I fucking loathe you niggers so much it's unreal.

>>718582805 (OP)
I'm thinking about it

>>718590908
Yeah that's kind of the premise of first person shooter video games. In a PvP shooter, you're testing your aim against other players. Spread adds an unnecessary element of randomization that in effect, takes a player's input, rolls a die and says you hit or you missed.

>>718592109
Aim is the least important factor in FPS games.

>>718591894
I've played all of them. Most of them have spread. It doesn't change the fact that spread is an anti-skill mechanic. Unskilled players like you clutch it to your chest because it protects you, not unlike controller players who act persecuted by "PC players who have it easy with a mouse", as they enjoy a legal aimbot and reduced recoil.

>>718582805 (OP)
Tried the OB. Think I'm getting too old for this shit so gonna pass.

>>718592181
I could see why a controller player would think that. From that perspective, it's true.

tiny maps, cheater problem on the second day that just got worse, guns all felt the same

>>718591950
Thinking about them beans?

>>718592304
Could you stop lying and stop responding to this thread, thanks.
You could have just taken a second to google "does BFV have bloom" and instantly been proven wrong, you could have at least tried to argue like someone who has played this game but you decided to double down on your bullshit.

The maps are awful cowaduty shit, just terrible

>>718592304
And I need you to know that I do consistently well across all sorts of shooters including CoD, the only shooter where I have ever struggled to be a top player is Titanfall.
You should learn to adapt or simply move on if thinking around your weapon's bloom is too much for you just like I moved on from Titanfall because the constant wall running and shooting was too much for me to adapt to.
You fucking lying nigger.

>>718592389
Nice non-argument bro.
Map knowledge, positioning, team coherence etc. matter way more and can compensate for any skill difference in aiming. It doesn't matter how good the other guy is if you can pop up behind him.

>>718592304
>claims spread is anti-skill
>defends hold M1 laserbeam shitfest gunplay that barely requires skill

Battlefield one was clearly superior to this, No blimps, no trains, no historical support, this shit is just cowadooty with tanks

0/10. Would rather play BFV, Battlebit, or Battlefront.
What really made it un-purchasable was them mixing domination and conquest into one mode.
I couldn't buy it even if I wanted to at that point.

>>718592990
I don't want to agree with that stupid nigger, but he is right about aim being extremely important, you can only compensate so much with the things you mentioned, someone with unreal aim will still dominate at the end of the day.

>>718592528
>he never played it so he had to google it
>got bad info from shitty AI search
KEK. Get out of here, kiddo. You are out of your depth.

>>718592902
>I'm actually quite good at slot machines
*yawn*
see me after class.

>>718593742
AI shit?
How about the countless threads from people like you complaining about the bloom, you stupid motherfucker.

>>718593103
>that barely requires skill
meanwhile, complaining about "getting beamed across the map" >>718589939
Sounds like a skill issue.

The really funny thing is that BF6 has no/incredibly low spread anyway, just check >>718590989 for an example. 140m with a carbine and hitting is still no problem.

>>718594013
If they exist, they're probably just as misinformed as you. Not surprising. There is no random bullet deviation in BFV, it's just a fact. If you played it you would know this and wouldn't have to look on reddit or whatever lmao. Just stay there and keep the cancer off of /v/.

>>718594097
Crazy part that the clip is from pc, console has even less spread.

>>718588941
Calling the game COD is a non-argument

>>718594097
You can do similarly in BF4 but in that game the damage drops off so much that it's not much use

>>718594019
>complaining about "getting beamed across the map"
Yeah because it doesn't require effort or "skill", it's way more easier for shitters to get away with kills that they wouldn't be able to pull off in a game with spread since controlling spread requires more effort than holding M1.
If anything you're the one with skill issue here since you can't burst or tapfire.

>>718593475
No. The difference in aim between players is only so big. It's not like a pro can put 5 rounds into a guys head at >100m 100ms after he appears on his screen while a shitter takes 10 seconds to get his crosshair on a guy.

>>718594472
>NIGGERMAN HELP! I'M GETTING BEAMED ACROSS THE MAP BY NO SKILLERS AND THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE I CAN'T AIM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
LMAO
Major skill issue

>>718594834
Who said anything about "not being able to aim"? You're creating a fake tantrum in your head, but that's not surprising coming from a person who's too braindead to burst or tapfire.

>>718582805 (OP)
>EA caters the game towards CODfags with BF6 and they spend the last couple of months shilling the game saying it'll kill COD similar to what happened with BF1/infinite warfare
>black ops 7 gets announced as a black ops 2/3 nostalgia bait game and now half of these fuckers are hyping it up and will ditch BF6 the second it drops

why the fuck won't they just make a battlefield game that actually caters towards battlefield fans?

>>718595386
Battlefield fans literally do not know what they want

>>718595349
>posts someone elses video of beaming across the map
>SEE! I CAN BEAM TOO, I JUST WANT TO TAKE AWAY MY OWN SKILL
>but that's not surprising coming from a person who's too braindead to burst or tapfire.
>video is full auto
lol
LMAO

>>718595386
Most "battlefield fans" started with 1 or later

>>718596027
So mindbroken that he continues to randomly making quotes from his head instead of making any legitimate arguments that explain why spread is "bad", maybe it's because you don't want to admit that you're bad at controlling spread?

>>718583132
Aka the hacker humble brag forum

>>718582805 (OP)
>open beta ends
>current marketing period subsides
>discussion of it is no longer being forced by shills
That's all it is, anon. BF6 is one of the most astroturfed games in history.

>>718595386
Define Battlefield fan. What does a Battlefield fan want? There is no such thing. Different fans want different things depending on which BF game they're nostalgic for.

>>718588896
Less accuracy (or at least, less universal accuracy) means less lethality at range which means more ability to move around the map without being randomly killed which means far wider possibility space.
>>718589994
Pretending realism is all-or-nothing is some of the dumbest retard gorilla nigger shit this board dares spew.

>>718596027
You know delta force exists you spread hating retard

>>718596916
Random spread is like being in a spelling bee, but every time you say a letter there's a random chance the letter you meant to say is changed to a different letter, causing you to fail to spell the word.

If you can't see why randomness blunting someone's intent in a competitive environment is a bad thing, you may be a corporately groomed controller faggot. The worst kind of genetic waste.

>>718590989
What the fuck?
Is there something that isn't obvious here?
There's no way the game these retards have been shilling genuinely has laser guns like THIS, is there?

>>718597695
unfathomably based

>>718597695
>in a competitive environment
High population shooters are inherently non-competitive.

>>718590989
>all those misses
No wonder you want to add random spread. If that person was facing you, you would have been toast.

>>718597848
How so?

>>718597735
It's the only carbine that can reliably shoot that far, but yeah the accuracy and damage drop-off and timetokill were all so fucked. I hope they tune the numbers for the actual release.

>>718598015
Not that Anon, but because individual performance is less important than group performance and cohesion.
This is something you have struggled to grasp throughout the entire thread, it is a team game, a true team game, not CoD where a single guy can carry you to victory in TDM, but a team game where you can still lose even if you're 70 and 10.

>>718598360
That doesn't explain how "High population shooters" are non-competitive.

>>718597735
It’s already been proven time and time again how spread is required for large scale games like battlefield but there’s still retards that complain about it.

Just go play Delta Force, no spread. I hope
You enjoy your high skill head glitch fest game play where you have to be aware of players at every engagement distance

>>718598015
There are far too many moving variables creative effective randomness (of the chaos theory variety).
In a proper competitive game you have a highly controlled environment allowing individual specific skills and tactics to have repeatable and reliable effect on the game. In a Battlefield game you're always liable to be killed by random shit, and the effectiveness of any tactical or strategic choices are largely outside of your control. Doubly so in an online lobby with 31/63 other randoms on your team. Triple so when you have no fucking spread so you can be cross-map beamed by any random faggot with little counterplay.
Battlefield games are more akin to sandboxes, especially at their best, where you are trying to respond to a dynamic environment and seek situations where your toolkit is at its strongest. BF1 did the best job of this, and random spread was a large part of that because it defined the weapon sandbox. LMGs were shithouse in straight engagements but were absurdly lethal once the inverse recoil had kicked in. Assault was heavily hampered at range but other classes really couldn't compete up close. Even infantry rifle scouts had unique ability to punch out at range, due to minimal/nonexistent spread.

>>718589269
That is not the point of the webm, the point is that the bloom is bugged because the bullets are going all over the fucking place despite the player being crouched and stationary.
It doesn't matter if his crosshair wasn't on the target, what matters is how far away from the crosshair the bullets are going despite being crouched and stationary

>>718598542
I definitely think spread is necessary, yes, but even without spread there should be actual recoil.

>>718598563
>BF1 did the best job at being a sandbox
Retard
BF1 was when dice started toning back the sandbox elements to tighten up the gameplay and appeal to newfags
Almost all the neat sandbox interactions from past battlefield games like vehicle physics were intentionally stamped down so they could sell the game on "muh visuals" and "muh immersion" and "oh look it's a behemoth so cool" and it worked like a fucking charm for you sheep

>>718599107
>BF1 was when dice started toning back the sandbox elements to tighten up the gameplay and appeal to newfags
No, that would be Bad Company.
>but muh whacky vehicle physics
I'm talking about the actual sandbox of a map in play and the flow that a match had. The gameplay of finding effective tactics on a dynamic and changing battlefield. Not in your ability to make whacky youtube videos.

>>718599298
Making all the guns feel like dogshit isn't sandbox you fag, in fact artificially limiting your performance is the opposite of sandbox. When you tell a player "ok, you can't play this way, if you're this class you have to play in the way we tell you to or else you won't have fun" that's not sandbox, that's a curated experience where the devs hold your hand and tell you not to walk off the beaten path. You think shit like elite soldiers and behemoths on rails are sandbox? Having your sniper rifle turn into a wet noodle because some retard from across the map is holding LMB in your general direction is emphasizing freedom in how you engage enemies? Vehicle animations to prevent seamless switching, no vehicle launching, stilted physics so you can't do anything that the devs didn't intend you to do, that's all sandbox elements? You wouldn't know sandbox if it fucked you in the ass.

>>718595386
Define how it "caters to cawadooty". I'll wait. I'll also accurately predict it's going to be the same shit as claiming every military shooter short of ARMA is a "cawadooty clone" like every "I have played precisely two games in my life" retard has claimed for the past 18 years.

>>718597138
>interest in a game wanes while it is literally impossible to play it
>DURRRRRLKFJLFKEJLKFJEFLKJF MARKETERS AND SHILLS EVERYONE WHO LIKES THINGS ARE MARKETERS AND SHILLS FRRRRRRRRRT
Go to the bathroom.

>>718582805 (OP)
it was alright, way too fast paced, maps too small, too many flanking points.

AND IT'S FUCKING 70€ THERE IS NO GAME I WILL EVER PAY THAT MUCH FOR

>>718598563
I dunno, Starcraft has way more units than a typical match of Battlefield and many consider that to be very competitive. I don't see how actual players in a game make it less competitive.

>>718600106
People will really play games with their visual settings configured like this then claim all modern games are "blurry" and "nobody knows how to program or design anything". Why even have a 4k monitor if your system is so shit you're running the game at sub-720p, minimum settings, and upscaling?

>>718599874
>Making all the guns feel like dogshit
Thank you for shedding the mask of "competition" and falling back to only caring about how guns feel instead of how the game plays.
>that's not sandbox, that's a curated experience
Restrictions are necessary for player innovation. Without them you just run around and shoot everyone you see. A game where you can easily kill anyone you see regardless of circumstances requires no tactics beyond run, shoot, reload.
>>718600117
Starcraft typically has 2 players, anon.
There's a reason 1v1 or maybe 2v2 games games are played competitively in RTS, but not 8 man FFAs or even really 4v4s

>>718600281
But how do more players make something not competitive?

>>718583434
>unaware
Fun fact he was looking at you the entire time. Basically with how slow the servers are everything you see is delayed. They shot and killed you before you even jumped.

>>718600261
because i do mostly desktop work and barely game at all, 4k is great for that.
i can play with dlss but i don't want to give nvidia a larger boner

>>718600392
More players = more variables = effective randomness. It's just chaos theory. A competitive game is one where skills can be reliably expressed, which requires a consistent environment with consistent results.
Ask yourself what makes any game competitive. Any reasonable answer can reliably applied more more to lower player count games than higher player count games.

Bring back commander mode

>>718600482
Just to add this is why your bullets do nothing. You tell the server you shot the man and the server is like lol you're dead retard.

>>718599981
why are you just looking for an argument you autistic troon. It's quite obvious to anyone who played bf until maybe Bf1 that Bf6 plays like 2019 cod. No actual battlefield fans played bfv or 2094 because they were just awful so who knows if they played like cod too

>>718600562
CoDniggers are too dumb for complicated features such as Commander mode or naval combat so it will not be added

>>718600541
One squad working together can lock down any game mode. If the other team is just randoms anyway.

>>718600541
So team games and sports are not considered competitive? I still don't follow.

>>718600562
They brought it back for BF4 and nobody used it

>>718600673
I did when I played on PS3

>>718600630
Yes, anon, the ability to easily dominate games because most of the players are just randoms is a mark of it being non-competitive.
You being able to pub stomp it doesn't make it something competitive.
>>718600652
They are fundamentally less competitive than individual games and sports, yes.
Since you ignored it I will ask again. What makes a game competitive that in any way applies to something big like Battlefield?

>>718597695
Nobody has been able to rebut this anon. He won the argument.

>>718600281
When you intentionally limit the performance of your weapon sandbox so that every gun is practically unusable outside its intended use case, that's the literal opposite of sandbox. SMGs CAN ONLY be used at close range. LMGs CAN ONLY be good for suppression and nothing else. Now you've just created a rock paper scissors scenario where if you meet an enemy and he's outside your proper engagement range you're just fucked. That's a far cry from BC2/3/4 where a good player can still have the edge despite their weapon limitations, as long as they control the recoil/spread enough. It's not even analogical to the old refractor games as even though the gunplay in those games were shit, it was practically shit across the board so the game was more about who was better at manipulating spread than it was about which weapon beats the other at this range like it is with BF1.

>>718600520
Oh, you're the retard who was playing at 1080p, no upscale or AA at all, and crying about it looking "bad" on your retarded 4k monitor. Bring back asylums.

>>718600673
They brought it back for BF4 and it was broken as shit and turned every match into UAV spam where it was impossible for teams to flank objectives

HLL just announced a new game set in Vietnam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzYzYNVWZ_A

Why does every gun in this game have zero recoil? Looking at recoil patterns in this game compared to BF4 is like night and day. Compare the MTAR's recoil in BF4 to any AR in the beta for reference.

>>718601491
yeah because it doesn't look like older 1080p games played on a 4k monitor, which look alright

I tried 2042 for the first time to bridge the gap and it's pretty crazy how much better BF6 is. Even just from the beta

>>718601602
Yea I'm getting this for sure

>>718601609
If you actually played them you'd know that most guns in BF6 have more recoil than BF4 by a mile. The issue is the lack of spread, people have gotten better at controlling recoil over time but there's nothing stopping someone from laser beaming people in BF6 because the spread is nonexistent

>>718601602
i tried to play that game when it was given out for free on egs, but even though a lot of servers had like half full servers when you tried to join it said it was full, no servers were joinable. they lost the chance

>>718601923
The bar is not very high

Daily reminder to tweet at battlefield and complain that the soflam in 2042 is broken plz

>>718589939
Used to be? Still is. I've had SMGers from 5 miles beam me in two seconds and I'm like "how the fuck?"

>>718603965
thanks doc

>>718599298
The actual sandbox was dogshit. Come on now.

>Vehicles camp in the uncap
>Because they have self-repairing
Who the fuck at pre-nu-DICE DICE was the designer that okayed that? I just want to talk. *cocks shotgun*

>Let's make engineers worthless!
>BTW they have to prone to fire RPG's at these self-repairing tanks, making them a sitting duck! :^)
Clowns. Both of you.

>>718597695
>Random spread is like being in a spelling bee, but every time you say a letter there's a random chance the letter you meant to say is changed to a different letter, causing you to fail to spell the word.
You're saying this as if spread cannot be countered which is not true in Battlefield's case.
It's called bursting, you crybabies always ignore it or pretend that it doesn't exist whenever someone mention that spread in BF is counterable.

>>718603965
thanks doc

>>718600562
Commander was useless in 2 and 4. 2's only claim was having assets to destroy in the uncaps that stopped commanders from calling in things.

>>718583043
You will NOT play Battleship in my Battlefield game. That being said, the game definitely needs some sort of artillery vehicle.

>>718604365
>You can slightly lessen inaccuracy by cutting your DPS in half or more!
This is fantastic if you like gambling mechanics! Unfortunately for those who can actually aim, you're still playing with artificial inaccuracy with every shot!

>>718604537
just helped a 200 ticket team win against a 600 ticket team

>>718601696
>actually pretending older games look better with zero antialiasing and potato settings

>>718606434
older games had msaa which looked way better than modern taa
that first screenshot was an exaggeration, this is 1080p battlefield 6 without anti aliasing

>>718606713
>enabling antialiasing makes it look less bad than not enabling antialiasing
Which continues to beg the question, over a week later, as to why the fuck your autistic retard ass isn't enabling antialiasing?
>MUH DLSS
There are four antialiasing options that are not DLSS upscaling. Use them.

>>718605554
>anon discovers damage dropoff
Bursting doesn't affect DPS "in half" or "more" that only occurs if you're holding mouse 1 or on single-fire mode.

>>718606962
all the anti aliasing options provided look blurry

>>718607568
Because you're stretching 1080p to 4k. Because you're autistic and retarded.

>>718609404
doesn't fucking matter, it doubles the pixels in both directions, it shouldn't look that bad at 1080p to begin with

>>718607036
>anon hasn't discovered ROF
Senpai, how come you don't know basic mechanics?

>>718609769
>how come you don't know basic mechanics?
Do you? Didn't you people cry about the the likes of the AEK being 'too good' at further ranges despite its high ROF? oh wait I thought spread was "uncontrollable"......

>>718610878
>I thought spread was "uncontrollable"......
It is. You can reduce the COE with certain attachments, not moving and not shooting, but you can't control where the bullets are veering off to. That's the problem.

>>718582805 (OP)
Do you expect people to talk about it for over a year straight? The beta is over. No one gives a shit anymore.

>>718583394
This

>>718611656
I expect people to talk about it at least a week after beta ended and at least through the first month after launch. I don't expect it to get much more discussion after that because it's a garbage game and will die fast like 2042.

>>718603971
Half of the time i'm just sat there wondering how they could even see me. I sure as fuck couldn't see them.

I expect it to be a MH Wilds type scenario
it won't flop like 2042, it'll sell like 10 million copies just because of its marketing budget, but lose 95% of its playerbase in a few months because the game is unremarkable dogshit

>>718601482
Except weapons being useful in specific scenarios means you get gameplay in placing yourself to use the weapon you've chosen in the correct scenario. Something you can freely switch after any death.
The game becomes a constant evaluation of what the best tool for the current circumstances is, and how best to exploit those tools. It's an actual sandbox where you are free to experiment and try different things because things ARE strong in certain scenarios. In 3/4/2042/6 you literally are just choosing which flavor of gun you like to run around with more. There is no sandbox because there isn't actually any real choice.
>Now you've just created a rock paper scissors scenario
No, you haven't, because you can do things to put yourself in the good situation and avoid the bad one.
It is ONLY a bad thing if you think of the map in some sort of abstract and random way, rather than something you actually PLAY.
>>718604274
>Vehicles camp in the uncap
Barely ever a real problem.
>they have to prone to fire RPG's at these self-repairing tanks, making them a sitting duck! :^)
Making tanks harder to remove but more awkward threats was a huge boon which let far more of the match flow around them dynamically.

>>718611656
>before the beta it gets spammed 24/7 with threads talking about how HYPED everyone is and how everyone needs to be more HYPED and how everyone who likes the game is a cool gigachad just like in those memes
>after the beta it's complete radio silence
I mean you're right that nobody gives a shit.

is it true the gameplay is like call of duty now?

>>718612487
see >>718590989

>>718603965
You don't have color blindness, why are you playing on the mode designed for visually impaired?

>>718589837
I haven’t played a BF game since BF3. Got so annoyed at Origin and Battlelog that I wrote the entire franchise off.

>>718612569
thanks

>>718583816
Assault heals after like 3 secs out of combat because of their perk

>>718583394
go play Arma reforger faggot

>>718611573
>but you can't control where the bullets are veering off to
You do it by bursting which is the main factor that reduces the COE, without bursting you're not taking advantage of the attachment at all.
Take the heavy barrel meta in BF3 for example, its gimmick was that it significantly reduces spread reset when you stop firing which was effective for microbursting, this benefit doesn't occur when you're holding m1.

Don’t argue with retards that hate spread, they are beyond saving.

Played it, didn't feel right. Won't be buying

>>718613540
DON'T ARGUE JUST SHILL SAR IGNORE HATERS SAR

>>718613760
Why aren’t you playing Delta Force then? If no spread gunplay is so good and skilled?

>The game is set in 2027
>no drones
>close air support
>torch-administered vehicle repair nanites
>trauma repair and full-body reconstruction nanites paired with biogel booster shots

>>718612487
Like call of duty used to be i guess kinda. Current call of duty is more like fortnite at this point.

>>718611972
Aren't they planning to sell 100 million copies?

>forced to play 2042 to get the bf4 soldier skins in 6
Man fuck you this is torture

>>718613974
Yeah, it looks medieval compared to actual modern warfare
They really think it's still 2001

>>718614837
hmm ok indeed
like >>718615523 said, bf is late and want to pander to 2010 cod players

>>718609507
Except it does, because you're stretching a small image to a large screen while being too fucking autistic and stupid to either use the proper upscaler that makes it look less shit or invest in hardware that actually is capable of powering a 4k display.

>>718613974
Nobody cares about drones and nobody is going to expend resources making an unfun game where you fly a miniature helicopter around like in those webms you're probably going to start spamming.

Project reality fooled so many retards into thinking battlefield is supposed to be a gritty realistic milsim game

better than having plastic toys sound effect cod game when you shoot your gun

>>718616283
if i had a 28" 1080p monitor it would look the same

>>718606713
Yeah, looks aliased as fuck. What exactly were you expecting when you not only refuse to use AA, but also quadruple every rendered pixel?
fucken lmao

>>718615353
>He doesn't have friends to squad up with
Goes by fast and makes the game a joke

>>718615523
are they genuinely that ignorant?
or is it just obligatory "modern warfare" branding slapped on top of a more engaging Iraq war setting to appeal to undiscerning plebs like >>718616283 ?

>>718589837
I played a few hours of BF:V before uninstalling and getting it refunded. Didn't like it at all. Despite my gripes with it, I went back to BF1.

>>718616715
They all refunded 2042 after the open beta myself included. I only got it at 90% off and still regret it

>>718587171
bloom is so fucking cancerous
just make the recoil meaningful but make the reticle accurate, fuck
hate playing planetside 2 sometimes because of that shit, all the heavy guns have fuckton of bloom if you hold fire for too long but your reticle barely moves

>>718582805 (OP)
>cant call in and drop vehicles
>cant call in bombing runs
This is literally just call of duty. And when call of duty releases a month after this cod clone no one is going to play it.

>>718584439
>Named soldiers
100% deal breaker not even shitposting
fuck i hate these faggots who can't bring themselves to let me be a faceless grunt

The beta is going to be nostalgic once the full game comes out and you have to deal with mortar faggots, drones with C4 on them.

>>718616684
>if I h-
1. that's still larger than a good screen size for 1440p
2. it would only look "bad" because you're still running it on minimum settings with NO ANTIALIASING

>>718589837
>Did you guys even play BF:V?
No that EA executive told me not to. I bought 3 but I've only played beta weekends since then. I like this one though.

>breakthrough iwo jima turns into an operation locker shitfest on the last two sectors
good times

>>718616713
i was expecting it to look as good as a game from 15 years ago

>>718617913
yes because taa and the other modern aa sucks balls and makes the entire picture blurry

>>718613456
But again, you still have spread and you still don't control which direction it's going. It's essentially gambling or like an RPG mechanic that give you a % to hit. There's no point to having it in an FPS except to lower the skill ceiling. Just about every other mechanic handles effective range already and they're far more intuitive and actually reward skill. There is no skill involved with an artificial RNG inaccuracy chance-to-hit stat.

>>718617070
100%. You know that spread-defender shitters are disingenuous because they would NEVER go for more recoil - they already cannot control the lower recoil of modern FPS and they know they would get stomped even harder.

>>718617052
Same with my group lol. We all bought in again since its only 4.50 on steam to get the skins. Chicom engineer is slick as fuck so i don't mind paying 5 bucks to play for a weekend

how many indians in this thread?

>>718622953
just you

>>718622953
They're all posting in the 10+ political threads currently shitting up the board sar

bf3/4 had 10x better maps, gunplay, SNIPING, movement, game flow on conquest, attachments, classes, vehicles, UI..
its actually fucked up, battlefield should have the finals level destruction etc etc

>>718582805 (OP)
I'm already completely bored with this game and it's not even out yet. It's just the same old slop from two decades ago. All the talent from Dice left a long time ago

When the game launches and has huge player numbers im predicting that you autistic schizos will start screeching that its bots. Screencap this

>>718582805 (OP)
Calling this Battlefield is false advertising. I told my friend I played the beta and I didn't care for it cause the maps were small and shit and he was coping that the rest of the release maps are gonna be huge. Just gonna let him learn the hard way I fucking guess.

>>718583434
>gets ass kicked
>blames aim assist
You know anon, you could just be a fucking shitter. The only time this would be possible would be if the enemy was using that shotgun, that shit had some insane range for these tiny ass maps.

>>718593475
Only at the extreme ends of the playerbase. If you're an absolute drooling retard that has problems manipulating a cursor on a screen then yeah you need to work on your aim. If you can click on human bodies in a reasonable reaction time though you'll improve your game far more with actual game knowledge. When you're actually competing with the best/trying to do memesports you better have great aim though. It's still mostly a competition of applied knowledge though.

>>718582805 (OP)
Shitty fucking CoD clone in spirit.

Maybe if they made the classes correct, had maps as big as BF3, and removed the anticheat, I would consider buying it for $70+.

but no, it's not like that. I also know there will be no way to avoid women soldiers nor the retarded cosmetics they will eventually spring on the player base, walking back their word like 2042.

>>718588135
i think it was a thing in bfv. in bf2 you could request orders from a commander but it was up the commander to approve or deny it, most of the time the commander did their own thing so it was pointless to request things like artillery barrages or uav scans.

>>718582805 (OP)
how does spotting work in the game? it seems like nobody else sees markers if you spot, making recon kind of pointless.

>>718589837
>I swear, the battlefield community is filled with some of the dumbest people on the planet.
its not battlefield. its shooters.

>>718584439
>Named soldiers
name them
>>718584713
levolution was objectively shit. im all for destruction but siege of shanghai was an incredibly shitty map once the tower fell for example.

>>718583394
>way slower healing
autohealing needs to be removed and be provided by medic only.

>>718628232
everyone also forgot that the levolution event caused everyone's fps to drop to 15fps for 15 seconds

it was novel but sorta annoying

>>718583132
my gay autistic vietnam vet little brother just played his first game did he do good reddit?
>5000 kills zero deaths

>>718589837
It's interesting how many features they're removing from bfV because nobody played it