Thread 718652732

Come home HollowKnightfags

I already beat 9S, is Hollow Knight any harder when it come to fights?

>>718652732 (OP)
linear with a soulless world and no sense of scale, why would a hollow knight fan ever enjoy this game? even the combat is 2d parryslop.

>>718653019
the soulless world fits into the theme of the game. they're all dying from spiritual aids and there's nothing they do about it.

Only 12 years old kids still make threads about fandom wars

>>718653156
wow, only 2 more years and you can join in!

Is there apk? Replayed hollow knight on my phone which was comfy

>>718655508
Scary

>>718652732 (OP)
fuck off chinkshill

>>718655883
It’s Taiwanese

>>718652732 (OP)
>oh you like metroidvanias with big maps, lots of backtracking, planning your path to navigate the map, importance of positioning, and good characters?
>here have 2D sekiro lol
even the final boss is a ripoff of Isshin LMAO

>>718656503
>>718653019
>2D Sekiro

But that's what made 9S fun though.

>>718656854
i like the art style and the character designs but i hate games with strong emphasis on parrying. i have parry fatigue. i genuinely hope silksong doesn't also devolve into parryslop gameplay, but from what I've seen, Hornet seems like she can bounce around and whizz across rooms so im hopeful.

>>718656996
>i have parry fatigue.
That is not a thing

>>718652770
No, it’s easier. Instead of parrying, the meta in combat is pogo sticking the enemy which actually trivializes a bunch of fights if you’re semi competent at it.

>>718652732 (OP)
i love hk and i love 9s and i will probably love silksong

>Australia and China make two of the best metroidvanias in the last decade
So when’s Japan going to finally step their game up? Last metroid missed the mark big time and castlevania is a no show still.

>>718652732 (OP)
the only thing HK beats it is regarding exploration, Nine Sols is a linear experience.
The rest, graphics, gameplay and music, Nine Sols is way better.

>>718657964
Starting to notice that while playing, does the combat get any more complex later?

>>718652732 (OP)
Now why would I do that?

Hollow knight is more of a classic metroidvania, while nine sols is the definition of the parryslop trend. Parries being the main game mechanic isnt fun.

>>718660557
It only gets more complicated with comboing in soul attacks between your slashes since they do more damage, therefore sacrificing your healing potential for a faster kill.

Nine Sols is a brilliant game that everynyan should play.

https://youtu.be/HR4MM2rFd98

Goumang x Shaun Shaun

>>718652732 (OP)
Way better combat and story but not as good exploration and movement.

>>718662029
He’s a child you sick fuck

>>718662029
goumango x yee

>>718662029
Shuan belongs to Yi

degenerates pretending to get horny over this art is precisely why normal people avoided this masterpiece of a game. Fuck off already

>>718652732 (OP)
Already played and beat it. GotY 2024.
Post YiHeng as is tradition and the will of Tao.

>>718655708
That's shuanshuans plush
>>718656996
What part of shazam lost, do you not understand

>>718661085
I like the parryslop though. You can style on enemies and not take a single hit while making your way to the bosses.

>1 hour in
>still havent seen a single furry butt or tits
Overrated game

>>718666154
Lol this retard is still stuck at the centaur boss

>>718666154
It's the second boss that's bottomless

>>718666154
You've still haven't reached the fucking second boss? You stupid apeman

Imagine her giving you a clawjob with that disinterested look on her face haha

>>718652732 (OP)
Bold of you to think most HKfags played any other metroidvania, ever.

>>718666154
You can skip Kaufu and fight Goumang first. Be warned the Jiangshi are harder than the centaur though

>>718655508
cute

>>718667868
>Be warned the Jiangshi are harder than the centaur though
Not by much honestly once you realize you can just keep one of them on low health to force Goumang into re-entering the arena instantly

>>718667715
Tribefagging faggot, I played both.

>>718667715
I do. Beaten Bloodstained recently and moved to HK since Silksong is out soon.

>>718652732 (OP)
hollow knight was great
nine sols was great
silksong will be great
not falling for your retarded astroturfed fandom war

>>718663838
b-b-b-b-based

>sister plays this game
>she rapes me in my sleep the next day
god damn Chinese i'll never forgive you

>>718667868
they're easy if you use your arrows because they hit both
>>718668537
it's just an excuse to get a thread going, I'm sure,
waiting for Sols Knightsong colab

>>718652732 (OP)
why not just design a game that's not furry?

>>718668537
there is no astroturfed anything, just annoying hk babies that never played any other game, claiming hk was the best metroidvania ever (going as far as to try renaming the genre to hollowvania, lmfao) while it got the barest combat system ever made
silksong will be a good game to play and that's bit, but annyone with a brain can already foresee the hkbabies turning into silkbabies and doing the same for years to come

>>718668810
Shut up, Ningen.

>>718668810
What's the point in doing that?

>>718652770
HK is much harder to 100%, but "beat the game" is easier

Both are very lickable

>>718668815
Keep screaming, maybe you'll get your fandom war eventually

>>718668632
buying nine sols for my sister immediately

>>718669001
Would fuck with no condoms and cum inside that slut on the far right.

>>718668815
you are mentally ill

I thought HK was better.

>>718669035
>>718669140
Wow, I guess we do have people with collective amnesia. In these very Nine Sols threads, it happened again and again.

I literally dont care about this chink game
>but it's Taiwanese
SAME.FUCKING.MOONRUNES.
SAME.CHINGCHONG.BINGBONG

I'm pretty sure the Nine Sols fandom is like 80% Hollow Knight fans so I don't know what that retard is on about

>>718668815
This. Only reason I refuse to even try HK is because of the really annoying fanbase. They are the From Soft faggots of metroidvanias.

>>718669401
>>718669258
Stop samefagging.

>>718669394
You either can't read or you were never in these threads, so that's pretty normal that you don't understand.

>>718668705
You don't get arrows until you beat the centaur, so you can't use that strat while fighting Goumang first.

>>718669394
just a typical /v/ermin outrage addict desperately trying to shitpost silksong into being the next tortanic. this time for sure

>>718669394
I played NS before I played HK
I havent beaten either
HK is fun though

>>718669587
I didn't understand that was the premise, my bad

>>718669647
It's so stupid too since most of the taiwanese side of the playerbase are also HK fans.

>>718669518
Were you ever in these threads? I've entered various 9S threads after the game's release and sure, you might sometimes seen one or two people try to start arguments, but surely you'd need more than that to accuse an entire fandom

>>718669647
Literally said
>silksong will be a good game to play and that's it
But yeah, keep trying
I only criticized the combat, saying it's bare. All I'm talking about is the HK fandom. But noooo, you retards think I'm just spitting on SS. You didn't even read, you are projecting.

>>718652732 (OP)
>40% has been the biggest discount
I'm poor. Everything is becoming more expensive. And yet the year is packed with strong game releases.
I don't have the money.

>>718669714
I wish you had a dash at the start, the little dude you play as is kind of slow

imagine the smell

>>718652732 (OP)
Do they let you skip the dogshit cutscenes and walking sections now

too pricy for a game like this

>>718670962
>>718671134
Thats it, she's getting the collar

>>718671268
for the 2024 GOTY?

>>718671675
yeah too expensive

>>718671745
Poor

>>718671745
it’s $30.00 nigger get a job

>>718672506
Too much for this style of game

>>718672661
Wrong

>>718671917
He's such a baby compared to her

>>718652732 (OP)
I recently played this. Man. This game was kino of fair difficulty.

silksong in 2 weeks bros. sept 4th

>>718658245
Taiwan is NOT China!

Nine Sols has an actual story and characters you care about. HK is typical "le lore is deep and explored in Youtube 2 videos" trash like Elden Shit and Dark Slop

>>718674204
the final boss was kinda lame, didn't allow for much creativity during the fight, but overall the game was pretty great

>>718674484
>Preordered Shinobi AoV
>SilkSong is out the next week
fug

>>718674914
Two weeks

>>718674840
Kill yourself, tribefag

>>718660557
The bosses attacks get wilder with more screen clutter, but after dying to them a few times you'll figure it out and beat them no-hit
Desu I wish nine sols' combat was harder, and Hollow knights combat is a lot easier and simpler than 9sols' combat, the real challenge in HK is the map IMO

>>718675124
I was referring to the first game which comes out on the 28th

Heng!

>>718676194
Heng a cute

>>718676660
SEX SEX SEEEEEEEEEEX

>>718652770
if you like challenge

>>718677175
That's for later

>>718677785
>>718677785
Do you think the Tao would protect their incest babies from retardation?

>>718652732 (OP)
I saw a streamer playing this and did not enjoy it.

>>718678350
Yes, but its first generation incest so the chance would be slim to begin with.

>tribefaggotry
really nigger

wawa

>>718672506
i no longer pay more than $20 for any game

>>718678350
Ji is so wise…

Who's winning the Yi-bowl

>>718652732 (OP)
give me 60% discount and I'll think about it

I don't come home to derivative shit
kill yourself chingchong

>>718652732 (OP)
If you really can't mention your game without comparing it to Hollow Knight then it's a shitty game

>>718652732 (OP)
Once you reach the 50% discount phase.

>>718652732 (OP)
its too Chinese

>>718682781
>>718682846
Tribefagging not working in the other threads?

>>718679929
The perfect onahole

Ji made me gay.

>>718652732 (OP)
This was way better than HK

>>718674749
>the Republic of China is not China

I picked up 9S because I always hated backtracking in metroidvanias. I 100%ed it and enjoyed it, but now I'm left wishing there was more to explore.
I think I will now play HK, and see if I find proper large-scale metroidvania maps more enjoyable now.

>>718684357
Correct, solved in the 70s even.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_2758_(XXVI)

>>718668151
Juggling two enemies is really hard if you haven't gotten the hang of the game yet. Call me a retard but by the second boss I was still shit enough that I found it a huge challenge. Objectively goumang doesn't have a lot of health and the jiangshi attacks are pretty simple and predictable, but the simple fact that there's two of them made it a really tough boss for me

>>718670464
post steam name

>>718684229
He got to sleep with Lear and Jiequan

Really wish there were something like an optional Bloody Palace mode where you fight off waves of enemies. I like the combat but the game doesn't offer that many opportunities for you to really go ham and style on the enemies.

I will be disappointed but not too surprised if Silksong comes out and it's not as good as HK and is just worse than NS.

Also I hope they ditch the vague souls like story telling in HK for a more linear and cohesive narrative like in Nine Sols. I replayed HK recently and I could not give a shit about the story with how disconnected it was.

>>718674908
Yeah, I don't disagree. I also think the difficulty was overblown - it's only hard on the third phase, and most of the challenge for me was getting enough attempts past the first two phases to really get the hang of the third phase's crazy attacks, which is more of an endurance test than mechanical difficulty especially once you start really getting bored of playing the first phases over and over again.

Ethereal had a similar problem but the third phase just had one difficult part (figuring out the timing to dodge the giant nuke attack). Three-phase bosses just aren't great in a game like this IMO, the first phase becomes a chore and waste of time very quickly and you just get frustrated at having to wait ages before getting to the third phase again. Thankfully there's only two bosses like this.

>>718652732 (OP)
I like both.

>>718685258
For me, it's post-game challenge restrictions, or at least a higher difficulty. "Standard" was pleasantly hard for a game that advertises itself as challenging, but it wasn't particularly brutal. And once you've seen the story there's not that much motivation to replay it.
I'd be nice to have NG+ settings to make it harder for more replay value.

>>718679929
The gas station?

>>718684852
I won't ERP with you, saar.

>>718684701
Did you have issues with Lady Ethereal too?

>>718685986
No seriously

>>718655508
Every masterpiece has its cheap copy

>>718686065
No cause I would just quickly dispatch each copy before a new one appeared. Sometimes you can't keep up 100% but it's generally fine in this aspect. Her individual attacks are also very simple and by that point of the game I was also a lot less shit.
I only had some issues with her phase three attack like I described here >>718685298. It took me like 5-6 tries to figure out how to dodge the nuke and having to replay the first two phases every time got old really fast, especially with the first phase being so trivial as to be a complete waste of time, basically a 30-40 seconds timer you just have to sit through every single attempt before the real fight starts.

What I did have trouble with was Kanghui, the guy at the end of the prison that spawns a billion enemies at you. Granted, the correct strategy there is to use the bow to thin out the enemies, and I was a complete retard and didn't think to do that (I had the thunder bomb arrows equipped and just didn't think to change my loadout). So I beat him completely manually and it was excruciating.

>>718686460
You don't even need to change your arrow loadout, left and right on the d-pad let you change arrowheads whenever.

>>718656503
>good characters
>Hollow knight
did you actually play it?

>>718686572
This changes your loadout, that's what I meant. Also I unbound this because I had it on my mouse wheel I think and kept accidentally switching arrows which annoyed me to no end. But that's besides the point, you don't need to constantly switch arrows, you just need cloud piercer and it simply didn't cross my mind to actually make use of my bow because for 90% of the game it's a limited consumable so I kind of forgot it existed.

>enemies only drop Jin and XP the first time you kill them
>if you die, there's no corpse run, but rather any enemies whose XP you lost count as "unkilled" again so you need to fight them again if you want the reward
>the total amount of XP and Jin available from killing every single enemy is just about exactly enough to 100% the game (get every skill point and buy every upgrade)
Y/N? I found the corpse run mechanic mediocre, and the fact that you can just grind the game out if you want to feels cheap - not that you have to, but it's just weird to me that it's even an option.

>>718686382
>Yi after hitting the medicine pipe too much

can I get a qrd on the level design? iirc it's supposed to be on the more linear side like Metroid Fusion right?

>>718688265
MF with more cutscenes

>>718687628
If you want something that plays with that sort of space, Ultros is doing weird time loop shit where enemies drop consumable items that are both healing and various types of XP on death, but your skill tree doesn't persist between loops so you have to decide which enemy drops you need right now and which are just fodder.

>>718656996
>i have parry fatigue
Wheres all the parry games anon. We have sekiro and lies of p i want more i need more tell me how you are drowning in these hidden gem parry games

>>718688265
It's not linear to Metroid Fusions' level, it very rarely locks you into a location with no ability to leave and also typically avoids having story flags alter whether or not an area is accessible. It's definitely more structured and story-focused than the median for the genre, so I'd describe the level design as functional.

Liked the bosses and fighting but hated the world and visual design so stopped playing. I would've rage quit later anyway

>>718688945
Filtered

>>718689119
Filtered by the terrible world music

>>718688265
Basically, each area tends to have a clear progression from start to finish, but sometimes there are parallel paths (e.g. multiple levels/elevations), and often various nooks and crannies with optional stuff to find. Most areas can be 100%ed the first time you're going through them, so there's not really much backtracking, rather you have the choice between thoroughly exploring each place or rushing to the exit asap. And if you choose to explore, you can basically "clear" areas as you go through them. The exploratory path also generally flows nicely and I recommend trying to play this way, the levels were clearly designed with this in mind, if you just rush to the exit you're probably missing out on nice rewards or fun stuff like neat miniboss fights. The true ending also requires gathering most of the side content as a prerequisite, so you miss out on a bunch of story and character development if you skip it.

But the tl;dr is that the world map is relatively linear (go through area A, go through area B, etc.) with quite minimal backtracking, with some ability to do things out of order if you care to (i.e. now do both C and D, in either order), and the individual areas have a good amount of fun exploration.

>>718652732 (OP)
Played this on gamepass and it was kino. Waiting on big sale on steam to 100% it

>>718652770
Hollow knight is generally easier but a few optional endgame stuff is harder (path of pain, seal of hollownest)

>>718689209
>terrible world music
Kanghui him.

>>718690769
I have to assume it's bait

Can someone post the gif of Ji being extended using a claw machine please

>>718691164
I gotchu senpai

>>718652732 (OP)
AMOGUS

>>718691408
Splendid

>>718682156
Why isn't the old guy whose name I can't recall at this moment invited?

>>718691684
Nine Sus.

This is like telling F-zero fans to play Wipeout.

They are similar games but HK's combat is alot faster and alot more focused on platforming. It's less a dark souls clone and more like a Metroidvania Zelda 2 if that makes sense.

Nine Sols is alot closer to a 2d dark souls similar to Blasphemous and i didn't enjoy it that much.

>>718691918
Yanlao. He was too short

>>718652732 (OP)
Bad metroidvania with uninteresting bio/cyberpunk aesthetic and bloated story - but the 2D combat mechanics were stellar so I'm conflicted about liking it

>>718652732 (OP)
i like it a lot, but its too linear

>>718695101
Incest is wrong.

>>718695225
This is fusang approved

>>718691991
I think the closest you're getting to metroidvania Zelda 2 is Phoenotopia. Nine Sols is pretty unashamedly 2D Sekiro and states as much directly.

I don't like that they gave Eigong a red lightsaber
Every other enemy in the game, even when objectively evil (see: Jiequan), has a pretty consistent worldview and if you happened to share their opinions you could pretty much sympathise with them
But Eigong just gets the "villain weapon" everyone in the west will instantly recognise (I dunno how pervasive starwars is in chink culture so maybe they thought it was a cheeky obscure reference or something, but I doubt it)

>>718696889
I think you're underselling the character work done for Eigong. While she suffers from being presented through reputation and her research logs rather than getting multiple scenes like the other Sols, she's very clearly positioned as a foil to Yi and a demonstration of why his initial worldview was doomed for failure. She is the belief that there is no ending unless we choose it, there is no fail state, there is no cost too high or burder too great so long as you see the mission through. That doomed their planet and their race. She gets a lightsaber.

>>718697328
I only did the true ending and just recently got the normal/“bad” end. Yi was broken.

The bad end is better than the true end, at least he keeps the shota and the shota gets a gf.

>>718697328
I think her character is great, I just don't like how on the nose her lightsaber is specifically.
Literally everything else in the game is left to the interpretation of the viewer. If you're a psychopathic sadist, you can look at Jiequan and go "heck yeah, this guy's based and awesome, what a role model to look up to", and the game doesn't really contradict you if you wanna think that way - it just presents Jiequan and lets you form your own conclusions. Which will usually be "what a psychopath" but again it's up to you to decide that.
Eigong is the only one who gets the "look at me I'm EVIL" badge. If for some reason you feel like giving in to the mutations may be better than total extinction, the game explicitly tells you "no, WRONG, look she's evil she has the bad guy weapon!!".

I agree with everything else you said, I just think it should be up to the player to recognise that. Pretty much everyone in the game is hyperfocused on something wrong - from Fuwa and Nuxi just giving in entirely to hedonism, to Goumang's egotism, etc. Even Ji can be criticised for his inaction possibly resulting in the death of the species, when perhaps there was a way he could've helped if he had only bothered to care, which he didn't due to his autistic focus on indifference and inaction. Eigong is not that different, her delusion being muh science can do no wrong - she just happened to be the one that brought about the most catastrophic consequences of them all. Otherwise, I don't believe she's any more deserving of the red lightsaber than anybody else.

so this is the best HK clone? are there any other good ones?

>>718698164
>so this is the best HK clone?
No. If you treat it as a Hollow Knight clone then you'll be disappointed. It's more combat heavy with less exploration. It's a 2D action platformer.

>>718697970
No. Trillions must die.
I swear I had a chud yi somewhere but I can't find it anywhere

>>718695225
Only if they let their kids do it too.

>>718697970
Goumang is still chilling in her throne room
>>718698089
The red lightsaber is a bit heavy handed but it didn’t really register for me as “oh this bitch evil”, more like an homage. She’s clearly lost it but the logs earlier let you know she had good intentions.

Just recently completed this game and I don't understand the complaint that there was too much dialogue, I thought it was perfect. People really hate reading I suppose because it really isn't bad at all. I bet if you fit all the games dialogue into a book it'd be less than like 30 pages lol, too much for your average retard ESL gamer

>>718688717
not that guy but have you tried Team Ninjas Parryslop games? I had a lot of fun with them even though they are flawed.

Check out Wo Long or Rise of the Ronin.

>>718698895
Yeah, if anything I much prefer the more direct and cohesive storytelling that Nine Sols has vs more non linear stories like HK. The characters felt more alive and there's more of a dynamic. I actually liked Yi as a protagonist a lot more than the typical silent protagonist in some MV games.

>>718698806
Yeah I get what you mean, it just feels like too heavy handed of a homage to me. Again, for everything else, the game leaves you to draw your own conclusions, if you read all the dialogue and decide "actually character X did nothing wrong" the game never contradicts you except for basically this instance.
I realise I am being very autistic of course, it's just memorable because I spent like three hours trying to beat her.

Star Wars didn't invent light swords and George ripped everything in Star Wars off from either pulp sci-fi or east Asian mythology in the first place.

>>718652732 (OP)
I'm coming, after Silksong tho

Why is Yi so small?

>>718698895
On my first playthrough I felt there was too much dialogue in the intro, up until the first boss. You're introduced to all there characters but you haven't really been given a reason to care yet, so a lot of it felt like it was interrupting the gameplay for no reason.
9S has fantastic world building and character writing but it takes some time to warm up to it, especially if you didn't go into it expecting a story-heavy game.

I was enjoying the Nine Sols levels and setting and art and combat and whatnot but I unironically got filtered by bosses and it wasn't a late one either
I'm just bad at games I guess

>>718656996
Fix your parry fatigue by playing games with actually interesting unique parries instead of people making a stale copy of sekiro deflects like in Nine Sols
id recommend Ultrakill

>>718697328
>she's very clearly positioned as a foil to Yi and a demonstration of why his initial worldview was doomed for failure
If there was ever a sequel it should kick off from the normal ending and you're an Apeman who was born in Penglai. Yi is still trying to cure the tianhuo and had man populate the planet to rebuild the infrastructure for the solarians when they're cured.

>>718696457
I was talking how Hollow Knight feels closer to Zelda 2 than Dark Souls.