Thread 718672319

Despite being excited for the game, I didn't buy Street Fighter 6 on release due to the high price tag and complaints about Drive Rush.
After watching a competition in-person and seeing the game on sale with a reduced base price, I'm considering buying it.
I worry that the game is already "solved" and won't be any fun for casuals like myself.

There are literally thousands of people below master rank right now.

Go play an older street fighter that's actually fun, maybe 3rd strike or alpha 2. Fuck even 4 is better than 5 and 6 trash.

>>718672409
4 is better than 3 and alpha 2

Yes.

>>718672319 (OP)
Why not just play offline ?

>>718672319 (OP)
Is pic related supposed to be hard? That's just HCB+LP. I know some autists will try to correct me with 63214 but they are retards HCB is faster.

>>718672561
>why not just buy a cuck cage and watch your gf have sex with other men

>>718672676
the maymay is that manon can unironically kill you with a single grab after 5 medals

>>718672384
Do good players only begin appearing then?
>>718672409
I've already played Super Street Fighter 4 (Arcade Edition) and messed around with SF3 a little on Fightcade.
Regarding SF6
>World Tour seemed like a nice draw. Was it bad?
>At the tournament, players were torn on Drive Rush: simultaneously liking and disliking it. Does it ruin the game experience?
>>718672561
If I'm paying money I should use the online mode. If I exclusively wanted to play in the solo mode, I would just torrent SFV.
>>718672676
I simply thought the image was cute & funny.

>>718672750
I think that's why I prefer being offline.
See you in a few months when I make the mistake of clicking on 4chan again.

>>718672319 (OP)
SF is the only game that has shitty players for you to matchmake with, even if you are new. you should also stop listening to stupid meme criticisms about fighting games on /v/, most of them come from people who have never played the games.

>>718672384
this. just play ranked. you'll match with other nubs.

the battle hub has mostly master ranks in it.

in either case learn to accept that you're going to lose games for a while.

There's nothing solved, it's a slopfest but if you're new there are a lot of people to play and the ranked is made to make new players feel good by essentially being a fake progression until masters.

It's one of the worst playing Street Fighter games if you want to actually play SF, but a lot of people seem to have deluded themselves into liking matches being about drive rush and over in two interactions or throw loops with little in between.

You might like it I dunno, I wouldn't recommend it though. Game's ass.

>>718672409
new players have no one to play with. its 6 or nothing if you're new.

>>718673262
Did you like SF V?

>>718672319 (OP)
Just play it man, these games are friendly to casuals, the only bad part is that dlc characters and outfits are pricey and there's no Vega or Sakura or Remy or Ibuki.

>>718672319 (OP)
Unlike what is commonly believed, unless you are playing a small game with sub 300 people there will always be other people at your level. SF6 is also very casual friendly since a bunch of the characters are easy to play and hard to deal with, so you can climb the ranks fast and win lots.
Actually getting to a super competent level is the hard part and very frustrating due to the nature of the game but if you like it enough you'll power through it. There's lots of guides online and you can also look at the replays of the best players in-game to steal their gameplan.
I personally don't think it's fun to play between the dealing with drive rush and all the other mental stack the game throws at you but it has its moments.

It's still drive rush anon, watch top 8 EVO or something, even pros can't check driverush at a LAN so you know it's all about drive rushing. Then if you go look at character usage rates you'll see that 90% of matches will play the same. One hit into the corner and you're gonna get throw looped

I recommend that you buy Mashen 8 instead

>>718672319 (OP)
>download sf6 demo on switch 2
>beat up blacks and women on the streets
Hmmm. Bit problematic Capcom is forcing me to do this

>>718672847
> Female grappler that can 1HKO.
Uh-oh...
>>718672883
Masters is like Diamond in Valorant. Anyone up to that point CAN and WILL fuck you up good. Especially due to SF6 bullshit combos meant for shit eaters.

You could try the Granblue demo. Free, easy gameplay, i get matches midday too. If you keep with it for a week and continue learning, you'll find out if you have what it takes to suck at FGs.

>>718673350
Aside from 6 I like all the main games yeah.

>>718672319 (OP)
I recently bought it, and I haven't played fighting games much, so here's my casual thoughts:
It's okay. I picked Zangief and it's hard for me to pull off some moves, but I'm still climbing the ranks, and just got to bronze. Pretty fun so far, but I mostly just button mash my way to victory.
World Tour is fucking shit though. Why did they even make it? Does anyone even play this crap?

>>718673554
This kekken tard has never played the game, this is why you never take criticisms on /v/ seriously. It's like stock market discussions except people have invested time instead of money and they shill to stop their game of choice from dying.

>>718672676
I realized I’m a retard. I thought all this time it was put analog stick right, reset the analog stick to center, put analog stick downright, reset analog stick to center etc but it turns out it’s just spinning the analog stick from right to left clockwide.

>>718673554
Gaynen8 is a dead game with script kiddies on it 24/7 that will never get banned though. I'm purple rank on it already and it just gets worse and worse, enemy always pressing only on your inputs is not fun and is blatant cheating when they just press back until you press a 3-5 silent move that can't be fucking read fast unless one's cheating.

>>718673887
> OP realized he was a faggot and retarded at the same time.
omfg, modern control kiddies man. I bet you couldn't operate a rotary phone if you had to for god knows what reasons.

>>718673692
Thanks for letting me know your opinion should be ignored.

>>718673889
That's all true but the alternative is playing 6 so....

>>718673881
5 was my first SF and all my criticism was valid, the corner carry in 6 is insane. Watch the stream, Ed got taken into the corner from 1 (ONE) interaction

damn this thread reeks of scrub

>>718674214
nobody buys another SF if 5 was their first, you ate some vomit and expect me to believe you went in for seconds? The way you type indicates you haven't played it.

>>718674214
Virtual Fighter 5 will have an upgrade around October with single player content that's missing from base like typical modern rushed fighter kek. Tell people you played Tekken with its the next 3D fighter franchise on the chopping block if they don't support it.

>>718674468
5 was great after season 3 and okay before that. Pic rel, 12 new characters and fuckton of changes during first 2 years. What has six gotten? 8? One real balance patch per year? Ken was a menace for the longest time

>>718674860
Ken will always be a menace because he's the "fan favorite" thus he needs to be broken to satisfy fans. Ryu will continue getting nerfed until he rivals Dan in uselessness.

>>718674860
Are all sfv apologists stupid zoomers who started with 5?

I hate the drive rush stuff. I’m like ok at fighting games adding another mechanic I have to be good at using with for combos and shit is too much for my pea brain at this stage in my life.

I play beat em ups now for my fighting game fix. Batman vengeance on snes is very underrated btw

>>718672319 (OP)
Grab Fighter 6 can be fun but there are some very egregious problems that can make the game unfun.

>>718675278
I agree if anything they should be added to boost existing combinations not add new configs so there's no move and frame data bloat you see in certain games.

>>718675278
Batman returns*

>>718672319 (OP)
I got into it last year and it's been pretty fun to play casually. No issue finding other shitters to play against too.

>>718672319 (OP)
no it has been remedialized for urbanite yolo mashing rogs

>most anons its saying the game socks
So what's the best recent fighter out right now?

>>718674025
If this is coming from someone who does not play SF6 then a lot of the worst aspects of SFV are made worse in it. But if you're an SF6 glazer then I don't care what you think about fighting games.

>>718675847
granblue but it's half-dead

>>718675847
virtua fighter 5 REVO

>>718675847
City of the Wolves

It’s criminal to disrespect your opponent by jabbing outside of green slime.

>>718675847
Blazblue

>>718672319 (OP)
There's a reason only pavement apes play fighting games. Button mashing is not a skill.

>>718675847
me

It's the easiest one to get into, and the one that has a healthier pool of players in lower ranks
There's really no true depth for 95% of the current cast. You can watch a video on the basics of a FG, practice a gimmick or two and climb your way to diamond easily. Then it's a matter of you not being frustrated whenever someone else pulls out their own gimmicks while you learn what's actually going on

>>718676068
Unironically this and thinking how people still play SF6 when you can be playing CotW instead is enough to institutionalize a person

>>718675851
I think SF6 is just ok, it's not the best game in the series but it's the best entry point on the market and an easy recommendation for any newcomer. I think sfv5 is rancid dog shit that only zoomers with no other point of reference enjoy, I would never recommend that game to anyone.

SF6 is overly hated here because it's ugly and there's a lot of scrubby reaction check shit that makes old people seethe, this goes away at higher levels. You can tell who doesn't play because they whine about stupid shit like throw loops.

>>718675847
Vf5, SF6

>>718675851
>they looked at 55% damage shimmies and said that's too low
>they looked at throw whiffs and said they were too fast
>they looked at 15f dashes and said buff them (it's okay because it costs an ever replenishing bar now!)
>they looked at the broken v-trigger moves and said make them meterless
>they looked at s1 urien ex tackle and said give six of them to everyone on roundstart
>they looked at plus frames and said you need the above mechanic to get them
>they looked at lows into vt cancels and said they weren't common enough
>they looked at people making fun of sagat losing low shots in 2017 and made that real
>they looked at t. hawk and guy and said make them lame
>they looked at costumes and said they're impossible

>>718672319 (OP)
>I worry that the game is already "solved" and won't be any fun for casuals like myself.
This is only an excuse that pussies make to not play a game. There is no “solving” in a fighting game. Especially at the fucking shitter ranks. You’ll be getting stomped by bronzefags for a long time before you have to worry about tiers and metas.

>>718675928
>>718676028
>>718676068
>>718676114
All of these games are dead discord fighters and not worth playing unless you want to get immediately bodied by sweaty autists the moment you step in the door.

>>718676396
>scrubby reaction check shit that makes old people seethe, this goes away at higher levels
Literally no one checked the drive rushes at evo. Why do you lie? It's not even a reaction check but a genuine 50/50 if you press, they decide the distance when they press and can always beat your check by inputting a longer range attack

>>718673262
As soon as you tell someone it's fake it is not going to make them feel good. I know you don't really care but the point is my annoyance that all fighting game developers treat their players as completely fucking retarded.

>>718672319 (OP)
Drive rush combo shit is one of those things where it looks scary because it really gets more necessary the higher you rank if you wanna take the game seriously. Most people can play without using it as more than a get in tool but paying attention to your drive gauge is kinda the main part of the game since its your ex meter too so if anything just find who you like to play and learn whats safe to do like any other fighting game.

I'm also a returning player so I'm mostly going off last year when I was playing ranked Plat 4 Juri, Gold 4 Aki and now where I play my favorites even if I cant do any crazy drive rush twitter combos with them. I'd recommend the game for fast matchmaking alone since I can get like matches in seconds compared to other games I dont play as much but still enjoy.

>>718676396
The two time Capcum Cup winner on top of of winning SF6 at EVO three times says that DR makes the game worse.

>>718676313
CotW is a festering pile of dog shit

>>718677039
Still better than SF6 or T8.

>>718672319 (OP)
Just because a game is solved doesn't mean you shouldn't play it. The skill ceiling is so high in pretty much every large game that is competitive released to the point where you get to a meta solution only at the highest level of play.
>>718672409 is objectively correct but you need people to play with.

>>718676607
>bison fag
opinion discarded

>>718676507
That I haven't seen people care enough to even shit on what they did to Sagat really tells me a lot about SF6.

>>718676396
You've said nothing here but one game bad, current game fine and have framed this all around the last game which I don't even care about overall. It's just regurgitating a Capcom Twitch chat.

Though if you're actually in any way defensive towards throw loops I really don't care what you think about fighting games.

>>718677110
It's just a bootleg version of SF6 with an infinitely worse roster, visuals and music

>>718672319 (OP)
I stopped playing SF6 like a year ago. What's the game like now? Is Juri still good?

>playing Chun Li
>Up against a zangief
>DR Light into grab
>Playing against Ryu
>DR Light into grab

I am only Plat and I feel like the game would be 10x better without DR. DI and Parry are cool I guess but DR pisses me off so much. I don't even know how to counter a DR when they send it while I'm blocking, it just feels like I'm forced to let them continue their turn.

I'm constantly having to play back and zone and rely on counter DIs, anti air into jump or checking DRs with my HP. Shit is boring as hell.

Maybe I should just switch to Mai and go braindead and just beat my meat between sets

>>718677110
Can you oldfags just die already?

>>718676645
Grandpa scrubs aren't good enough to be whining about drive rush, they are crying about drive impact which makes them mad because they can't block it in the corner.

Why do you act like there's nothing you can do against a drive rush? As if there aren't a million ways of dealing with it? It's just an enhanced normal that takes meter.

>>718677546
Drive Impact does absolutely nothing positive for the game it's just a reaction check you have to pass to get out of low ranks or you don't get to play.

>>718675847
Definitely granblue. All the characters are sexo, it's easy enough to learn and contrary to what fags here think, it still has a decent ammount of players, but they're mostly in S to master rank. It might take you a bit longer to find matches at lower ranks.
This video gives a nice overlook of how games are right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5VNugWiPmA

>>718677341
I'm sorry you're butthurt that I disregarded your shitty taste for defending sfv but that's my own personal test if you're worth listening to. you're attempting to turn it around on me and keep repeating that no ackshualy you've disregarded my opinion, I don't give a shit, I wasnt trying to convince you of my opinion in the first place.

>>718677546
It's not DR that's the problem, the true problem is that grabs are WAY too strong of an option. It's homogenized 70% of the rosters offense. They're unreactable, you can't block them, and the options to stop them(Backdash, jumping, teching) are way too risky because if you guess wrong you lose at least 50% of your health bar and are likely in the corner and your opponent still gets oki. Capcom just needs to make it so grabs force neutral resets. At least then your opponent can't just have infinite pressure off a single block or hit confirm.

>>718677676
I literally only use DI to reaction check individuals or to hard read unsafe moves at mid range

>>718678235
what is the difference between sf6 grabs and other grabs that makes the ones in sf6 so busted?

>>718678235
What they should do is make drive reversal have increased pushback on blocking opponents

>>718678090
Everything you say sounds canned, and I'm not defending SFV, you just have it as the center for all your opinions

>>718676991
Yes and daigo hates parries despite the most famous event in fg history being him parrying shit. Pro players have individual taste and they have retarded concerns we'll beyond whether a game is fun. They only eat if they win tournaments and anything that interferes with that makes them mad.

People need to stop worshipping the opinions of these retarded monkeys who couldn't design their way out of a paper bag.

>>718678235
Just bring back 0f grab.

>>718678516
That's cool, are you finally going to stop talking to me? I already made it crystal clear I don't give a shit about your opinion in this matter.

>>718678467
PC combo route.

>>718672319 (OP)
FIGHTING GAMES ARE NEVER WORTH IT DON'T DO IT

>>718678467
games like UNI and granblue have a tech window of like 12 frames or something that allows you to actually react to them instead of just playing coinflips with your opponent.
In SF6 it's literally just a coinflip. At least in SF4 and SF5 there were a lot of different option selects to try and not die but in SF6 it's way more difficult

>>718672319 (OP)
I'm not trying to be a dick so please understand I am saying this for emphasis. It's fucking retarded to worry about high levels of play or tier lists if you're playing it as a casual. Even if the game is solved you're more than likely never going to interact with it on that level.

>>718678467
They saw some throw loops at Evo for the first time

>>718672319 (OP)
Fighting games are unfun

>>718672525
4 is not better than alpha 2

>>718677676
I don't personally like DI but it does objectively stop people from having brain-dead footsies where they spam their longest range poke over and over

>>718672319 (OP)
SF6 is precisely made for people who don't and can't play (actual) fighting games. But I can't recommend it for casuals either because it's just an advertising platform, there are more fun casual games out there. Also full of bots.

Also, why bother learning fighting games at this point when they are slowly transforming into mobile games? You missed out.

>>718679137
>when they are slowly transforming into mobile games
2/10 you didn't even think that bait before posting

>>718676507
>they looked at people having the audacity to block and said hey let's punish such behavior
Lol remember when people shit on SFV for being too offense-oriented and not having defensive options (until V-shift came out)? SF6 make SFV look like turtle heaven.

>>718679137
>Also full of bots.
You've never played it

>>718678467
Games like Guilty Gear Strive for example have 5f grab invulnerability on wake up and after getting hit/blocking an attack making tick throws and throwloops impossible. Older SF games had similar mechanics that made getting thrown more difficult, yet decent option when on the attack. There's a reason most fighting games don't have throwloops

>>718678642
Sure. I mean I got a kick out of this and am still in the thread but it's cute seeing how you act now. CapcomFighters is streaming right now though so you might not want to miss that to keep your opinions in line.

>>718678794
Yeah great every game should be like Uni where you block in the corner for 20 seconds because nobody even attempts to throw

>>718679137
>there are more fun casual games out there.
Name 3.
>Easy mode
No Minecraft or Terraria
>Hard mode
No Fortnite (sweat-ridden and full of bots too) or Roblox

>>718679236
Have fun doing hadokens by pressing a single button, scrub. If you train really hard, you might succeed. And I'm not only talking about dumbified gameplay or casual mode, I'm also referring to insanely forgiving input frames in classic mode and mobile game monetization and ad systems. Enjoy playing against bots.

>>718672319 (OP)
They haven't fixed anything nor they will. Shit core mechanics, uncanny visuals and horrible cast and newcomers. Also it barely gets any updates or new content outside single players stuff.

>>718679365
that's a UNI problem, not a "reactable throws" problem. Granblue has easily reactable throws and they're still the to-go way for mixups both mid screen and in the corner.

>>718678467
Some games a couple of frame of throw protection on wakeup so you can't get thrown, on wake up. SF6 doesn't have this so it lets you do meaty throws in that will beat nearly anything and is the main reason there's so much risk.
The situation after a throw is fucked up. It varies from character to character but an egregious example is Ryu who is +17 in your face after a throw so he can whiff a button and still meaty throw.
This fucked up situation ends up making it super risky to try and stop the throw, if you mash it's meaty and you get thrown again and put in the same situation. You can invincible reversal but that costs resources and is unsafe. Backdash on wakeup is just as risky and doesn't even guarantee a punish for a whiffed throw. Neutral jumping still leaves time for them to anti-air you. If they shimmy you and your throw whiffs you eat a 40% damage combo that still leaves them plus.
TLDR, the options for stopping throws are much riskier than the option for going for one.

>>718679370
Well, what genres of games you like?

>>718679487
>Have fun do-
why are you projecting so hard anon?
> I'm also referring to insanely forgiving input frames
yes, a defininf trait of mobile games of course
> mobile game monetization
This means absolutely nothing
>and ad systems
haven't seen any ads in game, you sure you took your meds and you're not hallucinating?

>>718679284
It really bothers you that I don't care about your opinion huh.

>>718679702
You miss every single point e and can't even write properly, I'll ignore you from now on. Enjoy your scrub zoomer life, you weren't there for SF2-SF4 era. Dumb illiterate gremlin.

>>718679678
Racing games and platformers, mostly.

>>718679860
ah yes, the good ol' reliable.
The funniest part is that you still have no argument and just came here to spout shit bait

>>718676068
this

>>718678532
/v/ called out DR as shit design even before game released just based on the beta.

>>718672319 (OP)
Im a casual in every fighting game ive ever played and heres what i learned:
1 yes sf6 is worth getting into
2 youre a faggot for having to ask
3 getting good at fighting games is for subhumans. Especially if youre anything above diamond rank in this game. Just learn a few combos and go online and press buttons at people til they die. Dont treat it like it's go or chess.

>>718679734
No. Though I do care that you feel the need to do this get the last word thing. It's kind of a catch 22 to then respond but I don't like ignoring someone grabbing for attention in a thread I'm still in. We can move on.

>>718678532
>anything that interferes with that makes them mad
why are they mad about DR then? That shit is free anti neutral and given the fact that SF6 is a throw coinflip game, DR makes everything more braindead

>>718680051
Those are genres I'm not into myself, sorry. But basically, no reason to start playing fighting games now when the games require nothing from their players anymore and the whole e-sports scene has been turned into this soulless corporate slop. Starting SF6 would be like starting World of Warcraft in 2025, it wouldn't be the same as in 2003. I recommend literally any other genre because this one's dying and has no future.

EU5 will come out in two months, better spend thousands of hours in it than playing pseudo-fighting games.

>>718672883
>>718672750
If you cant enjoy a fighting game offline then you dont enjoy the genre. you're just in it for the thrill of competition since you dont have to share any glory in a 1v1 unlike other MP games. This is why so many posers get filtered by the concept of labbing

>>718680425
Kek, he talks about having to have the last word while having to have the last word. I am obviously baiting you, I think it's funny that you were so bothered I ignored your opinion that you had to try and turn it around on me, even going so far as to use smug reaction pics to indicate how unbothered you were yet you kept taking the bait.

You do have shit taste though, sfv remains terrible and ill finally give you my real opinion. It was engineered for people watching rather than playing, the vtrigger system was an extension of a revenge rubber band system to create "hype" comebacks which made nothing hype and the entire game flat. If you won it felt bullshit and if you lost it felt bullshit. The game had shit matchmaking that took longer than each match took to play which made playing it even more painful than it already was. The game felt cheap because it was, returning characters had their move sets butchered and the little they gave you back was hidden behind a comeback mechanic. Everything was geared toward aggression but the aggressive gameplan for each character was incredibly basic.

SF6 remains aggressive which I'm not a fan of but the interactions are more complex so it feels less one note. You can shit all over green slime as much as you want but they objectively gave you more tools in SF6 than in 5. The one thing I'll concede is SFV has a better art style than 6, which was then subverted by half the cast being outsourced to amateur 3d modellers.

>>718672750
are you retarded? most high level tournaments are offline and most high level players play offline in their local scenes to actually get good.
If anything, the only way to get actually good is by going to the local scenes and play in-person with people that can give feedback and shit

>>718672319 (OP)
And how do i even get better with Manon

>>718682387
>>718682387
Good for in person games you mean?

Offline and online matches have completely different strategies and feelings. Players who are great online are mid offline because they don't know how to play with a crowd or their competitor right next to them.

>>718676068
absolute kusoge and actually somehow looks worse than SF6 (which I didnt think was possible)

>>718685257
If you can well play offline, you can well play online, but not the other way around.
If you have a local scene you should go play there.

>>718684986
what weg is this