Thread 718725057

Does this mean Deadlock is back?

>>718725057 (OP)
Ban steam charts threads

It can't be back because it's unreleased.

do you really think he could ever disappoint?

>>718725057 (OP)
what did they do

>>718725780
Add new characters.

>>718725865
Character, singular.
Interest in the game is so low they decided to do season pass release model to get interest.
It won't help, game is godawful

>>718725057 (OP)
Deadlock will explode because everyone unquestioningly sucks the cock of any game that Fat Gabe releases.

>>718726171
>>718725865
>Character, singular.
This is why MOBA is a dead genre, the thing that leads to the game being an unfun piece of shit is roster creep and a playable character count of 300 like League, but the player count boost and profit they get from releasing one is unmatched

>>718726713
They haven't added hat crates, gamba, in-game inventory market and battlepasses to the game yet.
Imagine how much worse the game will be once they do!

>>718726419
Like Artifact?

>>718726171
No they're releasing characters every other day, players can just vote on who gets unlocked next. There's no battle pass.

>>718727034
Sukhpreet I swear to God if you don't learn the difference between season pass and battlepass I will send your ass back to India faster than the British started the raj

>>718727190
My mistake for trying to convert your nonsensical ramblings into something sensible, should have just called you retarded instead.

>>718727390
You mistake was in taking a shilling job from valve after seeing what they did to Dota 2
You really think this job is gonna last? Use your current income and look for a new job. Shill for something you can believe in, not this garbage.

>>718726171
retard

>>718725865
They added two characters, plural. You lying fag

why the hell did /v/ delude itself into believing an unreleased game is released? I have never once seen this behavior

The thing is that even at low levels Deadlock is kind of a demon game, and I don't know how you translate a new demon game into mass appeal in the year of our lord 2025.

>>718728161
Because it's the standard model for valve direct releases (cs go is by an absorbed company).
Funnily enough, Dota 2 is the only one since 2010.

>>718725057 (OP)
The game isn't even released yet. How the fuck were 200k people playing it?

>>718728456
>THIS GAME NEEDS 500K CCU PLAYERS OR ITS SHIT AND FLOP!!!!

>>718728543
i mean valve probably wants it to be a big hit, a lot of the worst decisions they've ever made were because they weren't making enough money for their liking

Why am I not allowed to like this game? Not a shill btw

>>718728483
>I'm not old enough to remember Dota 2
>>718728456
They can start by making the game actually good instead of post 2010 game design philosophy garbage
Every dogma for gameplay development post 2010 is treated as modern, except this is also when gameplay started becoming complete garbage.
Everyone with a skin deep level of understanding on history will immediately realize this was due to 2010 being the beginning of the perverse invasion of Hollywood models into content direction.
You really don't hate them enough.

>>718727020
Yes, like Artifact. It blew up. Not lasting is irrelevant, they still made lots of money and still got more success than a middling game like it deserved. Kind of like how Dragon's Dogma 2 and Monster Hunter: Wilds were both extremely average games yet sold like Elden Ring each.

>>718728742
Because it is a facsimile, a mockery of tf2 that's worse in every way.
Tf2 had classes that were hard role designated (on launch). Trying to kill sentries with the revolver is non productive against an engineer nest. Infiltration into melee range is a must.
This game is the peak of ambiguous character identity in a class based shooter. Twenty thousand gay faggot mechanics and skills and items and somehow you're stuck gap closing or playing keep away.

>>718728742
simply not allowed because something something "play" gacha instead

>>718725057 (OP)
Not yet, There's still no levels, only one game mode, no skins to grind for and fully of sweats (there's not even a unranked mode yet) Theres no customization what so ever and more then HALF the cast is still unfished AND its STILL invite only...


That being said, its funny that getting the smallest peak of what Valve was REALLY cooking was enough to make /v/ take a 180, its almost like the game was always in alpha and the few riot fans and retards saying otherwise was wrong huh

>>718727660
You're such a fucking idiot anon I pity the mindset you have and the people that share it with you

>>718728663
Yeah I think a big thing here is that Valve is clearing banking on this being their next cash cow to replace the aging DotA2 and stillborn TF2. Personally I think it will do well enough since there are a legion of fanboys, but with this big patch there still aren't many people checking out (Stroud said he's not interested when he was all over the beta originally) so it's a foreboding sign.

>>718725057 (OP)
I wish they didn't go moba with this
shooting, movement and character abilities are fun
farming and buying items is not fun

>>718729347
>Riot
No one here even plays LoL and their only other upcoming game gets doomposted non-stop. All I see is hate coming from long term Valve fans (justified or not like in the case of TF2 fags).

>>718729580
I miss artifact friend

>>718729671
Artifact will be a mini game in the new hideout trust the plan

>>718729509
>Nearly 18 year old game that received significant updates up to about 10 years after its release.
>stillborn

>>718729037
>artifact blew up
It peaked at 60k players anon, just because it didn't pull a concord doesn't mean it was ever actually a popular game

>>718730119
Concurrent peak does not equal daily players, you should know this.

>>718730060
SUKHPREET IF YOU DONT APPLY BASIC CONTEXT TO THE COMMUNITY YOURE WORKING ON I SWEAR TO GOD
look I know some of this is due to lack of internal communication but please keep in mind that artifact + named individual refers to the one man who took a stand against valve before all of us (no not tim faggot), the one who fights not for the awful product that artifact was, but the player base that valve wronged.

>>718730286
What does your doctor prescribe for your copium overdose? I'm surprised that you can still type with your delirium.

>>718729509
>but with this big patch there still aren't many people checking out
Because they are not advertising it? There's no trailers, nothing. The only people who see there's an update are the ones who click on it on Steam.

>>718725057 (OP)
The game isn't going to be out for at least another two years
They're going to replace a bunch of character models, the map is probably going to get reshuffled even more, items are going to get reworked HARD, characters kits will get reworked and rebalanced constantly, and I expect there's going to be at least 10 more new characters after this batch
It doesn't even have a ranked mode yet
AND there's the VN component that we know they're working on
We weren't even supposed to learn about the game last year, the only reason it got so over exposed in pre-Alpha was because TF2 fags are fucking deranged

>>718730286
Within 8 weeks the game had less than 1000 average players. It was not a popular game; monetization kept a ton of people from buying but the game being bad drove the players who did buy it away.

I will never understand artifact revisionism, it was an unqualified failure and valve was right to abandon it

>>718730396
Do you know what percentage of games on Steam ever reach 60k peak concurrent, much less card games? Context is everything. You can't call a game a failure because it doesn't pull CS:GO numbers.

I just won’t play it is all. No need to get offended

>>718730487
>Shit on tf2 players at every turn because every hour playing even (and especially) launch tf2 is a reminder that deadcock goes against every word valve has said about advancing video games

>>718730398
They didn't advertise the original beta either. In fact it was famously a "secret game" that only a few people know about.

Regardless, Shroud knows about the update already but he's not playing it.

>>718730763
deadlock is one of the only interesting multiplayer games released in the last several years lol

gape newell loved dota because it was a complicated and interesting game, deadlock is an attempt to make a game that complicated more dynamic and appealing to a larger market

>>718730645
It lost over 95% of its peak players in six months. Average users were in the double digits. That's an unmitigated disaster for any multiplayer game, and a historical miss for a company like valve.

>>718730872
>deadlock is one of the only interesting multiplayer games
Moba but 3D is hardly an interesting, much less revolutionary concept. I like it for what it is, but this attempt to upsell it as some genius new original game is silly. The best thing about it is the aesthetics, which IS a rarity in gaming.

>>718730645
>Master duel: 260k
>Shadowverse world's beyond: 120k, on 25% positive reviews
At this point I'm having a harder time finding multiplayer card games that don't reach 60k concurrent. Does duel links count?

>>718730830
>faggot eceleb isnt playing right now, its over for valve!

>>718725705
>not looking at steam dick LCD

>>718730872
>released
It's not released, it's not even in beta

>>718731151
>Steam chart shill thread claiming Deadlock is back
>Point out it's not really since none of the big names are interested
>UHM DOESNT COUNT

Concession accepted~

>>718725705
Didn't the Switch 2 sell more in 1 day than the steam deck has in its entire life

>>718731018
the aesthetics are great but the mix of mobility, shooting, and itemization is very fresh. We're at the point where most things have probably been done to some extent, an interesting mix of mechanics still qualifies as novel.

I've check out a few MOBAs and MOBA shooters and nothing has ever really felt like Deadlock. The verticality is also a big thing, most MOBA shooters in my memory don't have very interesting maps.

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>>718731495
threw doorman a few votes because i want to see the ult and portal door shit in action

>>718731385
It's definitely a fresher take on the genre(s) but I have a feeling that combining that many mechanics is going to result in a fairly unapproachable game that never really breaks out. It won't flop like artifact but it's never going to be another cs

>>718731309
>35k players in a 6v6 game
>ITS OVER THE GAME IS DEAD YOU CANT EVEN FIND A HECKIN MATCH!!!

>>718730872
1: it's not gape Newell anymore, he's taking ozempic.
2: deadcock isn't interesting. Adding items to overwatch is a horrible idea. Anyone arguing otherwise is either someone who hates tf2 so much that they didn't even think of testing it in mann vs machine or someone who thinks that every third person moba dev up until this points have been retards and THEY'RE the golden child fated to make it work.
Maybe both.

>>718731638
>Adding items to overwatch
not just items, there are whole economy system, exp management, resource management
That's hella lot of complexity and skillcap

No matter how many characters they release, until they fix the core game it won't get any better

>>718731958
Almost like it's a moba and not a hero shooter. Comparing Deadlock to Overwatch is retarded. The shooting and movement side of the game isn't even anything like Overwatch.

>>718731246
it's on the top right

>>718731958
No, there isn't.
The goal of the "economy system" (it's really resource allocation) is to get ahead.
Getting ahead in a third person shooter and creating non aim/movement based imbalance is a godawful way to make a third person shooter. It dissociates the gameplay outcome from the gameplay itself.
It's the reason why league and nudota us so awful. The skills are made into vector based 'skillshots' that now reward reflex as opposed to decision making and resource allocation.

>>718732534
>They turned Dota from a 5v5 chess match into who can guess the coinflip better
I will never stop being mad about this

>>718732534
You get ahead by aiming better. And you still need aiming to win when you're ahead.
This is the most retarded argument I've seen on /v/.

>>718732024
It's eerie how much the deadlock's steam chart looks just like the one for underlord.
One could say valve is in a...deadlock.

>game is still on alpha
>still has tons of players
what went so right?
This game will be TF2 levels of huge once it releases

>>718733000
>You get ahead in in-game resources by aiming better
Explicitly wrong. Or rather, it has to be wrong because there needs to be comeback mechanics that allow the team that's behind to come back while aiming/moving at a similar level to the enemy team.

>>718733332
This you?

>>718725057 (OP)
It never died.
People just don't know that the devs realized they expanded the "closed" alpha too quickly. They essentially stopped updating the regular closed alpha and created a SECOND actually closed alpha that was difficult to get into. That is where 95% of the changes, new heroes, and experimentation was going on.

People who were not invited naturally drifted off as they were playing an unfinished game that was not getting any regular content or balance updates. Now that they actually did a huge update a ton of people decided to come back.

>>718733196
Underlord is such a fun valve project because one day everyone on the team just decided they'd never work on it again and that was that
I even had people on my friends list who played it well after it was dropped (and they were people who never even played dota)

>>718725057 (OP)
>Make pretty characters and the players will come, figuratively and literally
It do be like that

>>718733513
It's nice knowing deadlock will die the same way.
As it should.

>>718733332
>This game will be TF2 levels of huge once it releases
More like Dota or CS. And anyone who thinks otherwise is just coping
Deadlock has broad appeal unlike Artifact and is not just fotm like Underworlds

>>718733593
The game specifically does not appeal to broads. The one thing broads hate more than anything else is being interrupted while farming.

>>718733710
Dota and LoL are doing fine. Now add a unique setting and fun characters and action combat to it. Sounds pretty broad. I mean, I play it and I can't stand other MOBAs at all

There's never been a good moba, the genre is fundamentally flawed and is actually used to make sure literal demons and goblins won't play other real video games. So in that sense, moba's are great!

>>718729292
class-based shooters and ASSFAGGOTS are different game genres you fucking retard
hang yourself

People are just trying out the new, boring heroes.

>>718733895
>Dota and LoL are doing fine
>I can't stand other MOBAs at all
Try not to shit all over your own post, do it on the sidewalk instead.
As for elevator pitches, the game already got made and is a steaming pile of turd. Not on the sidewalk, just in general.

>>718733593
i like deadlock but this game is far too sweaty for broad appeal.
It's niche. smaller than dota niche. Smaller than tf2 even unless they have a way for players to idle and talk shit in games.

>>718733593
Lol the game would be very very lucky to even reach dota 2 and cs level of players peak tf2 is probably the peak of the game

>>718733974
>Make shitty class based shooter
>NO YOU DONT GET IT THIS IS A MOBA
>the game is trash as a MOBA too because it focuses on shooter gameplay
>YOU DON'T GET IT YOU'RE JUST TOO SLOW TO KEEP UP WITH A MOVEMENT BASED HERO SHOOTER
I need your copium supplier's name.

>>718734060
I think it has broader appeal than Dota. Shooting from a third-person perspective is more understandable than trying to do something from a top-down view. I can see how it could attract people who don't even play other MOBAs. Even something like Smite has lasted long enough despite being far from Valve's level of polish.

deadlock is
>DOTA's extremely complicated game autism
>hyper-consistent tracking aim autism
>hyper-niche movement autism
in one game
it's a masterpiece of autism and I hope valve's master-class style carries it into success because autistic games never succeed anymore

>>718734050
lol filtered

>>718729292
>tf2troon mindbroken by Deadlock
lol
lmao even

any shooter that has cooldowns or a stamina bar is retarded

>>718734359
smite is a shallower version of dota.
Deadlock is dota + requiring aiming + crazy verticality + quite deep movement system. Skill gap will be too large and because its like dota the skill gap allows a dominant player to get ahead in farm and dominate even harder.

If they pivot the gameplay somehow (into a pve roguelite) then you can find a large audience

>>718734269
>Make shitty class based shooter
It’s not a class based shooter retard
>the game is trash as a MOBA too because it focuses on shooter gameplay
How does it being a shooter end up as a negative for its MOBA mechanics?

>>718734359
Is it still "understandable" when you pop your entire kit on Abrams and deal 10% of his total health as damage because he farmed and itemized better?
Shooters and resource management don't mix. Stop it. Get some help.

>>718734548
>If they pivot the gameplay somehow (into a pve roguelite)
This is bait

>>718734548
pve would be ideal so that the troons who play deadlock dont have to interact with eachother, as they quickly realise they are all insufferable so thats why they think pvp games are 'bad'

>>718731384
Damn, call of duty battle royale is the best game ever

>>718734626
dota had aghs lab which was immensely popular.
They just need to port that into this setting and all the shitters (like me and my friends) can play any enjoy that instead of getting rekt by people who can devote 1000s of hours to gitting gud.
Valve also recently hired the risk of rain 2 devs.
It's all coming together.

>>718734050
ieslb

>>718734565
MOBA mechanics reward decision making.
Shooter elements reward reflexes.
When you do one thing well and is punished because of another, unrelated mechanic, nevermind broad appeal, that's called shit gameplay just in general.
There's so few examples of this because nobody has been retarded enough to do it, but even quicktime events eventually got backlash despite meshing in well with action games by both being based on reflexes.

>>718734548
>>718734615
It's just not made for you.
It's funny how /v/ will complain about Russian and Asian cheaters and also complain that Russians and Asians are way better than them at games, like there's some connection here
Go back to playing your casual call of duty if your little western brain can't think about more than one thing at a time

>>718734964
You heard it here first folks, deadlock - the game made for cheaters.

REMEMBER TO VOTE DRIFTER!!!

TOMORROW IS THE DAY WE DEFEAT THE DOORMEN A SECOND TIME!!

20k retards playing because "dey added funny reload animation durrr"

Can one of you tell me if the game has an alright in-game tutorial? I got an invite to Deadlock months ago.

>>718734964
ive got 300 hrs in deadlock and thousands in dota. The game is very hard to play at a decent level and it requires team coordination on top of that. This makes it niche. I think its undeniable

>>718735061
That's giving it too much credit, I doubt even cheaters find this game fun.

>>718735153
Its meh

This game has zero casual appeal so I dont see it lasting long

A boring ass game with boring ass looking characters for boring ass people

>>718735153
The in-game tutorial tells you about the MOBA mechanics. That's about it.
No character walkthrough, no skill rotation, no matchup introduction, nothing.
You know the best part? That's how the player base wants it.

Threads like this what happens when you let people make youtube careers out of tf2

>>718735153
its ok, playing bots and watching some good players is probably a good way to round it off

>>718735182
>The game is very hard to play at a decent level and it requires team coordination on top of that
So what? Our guys constantly put thousands of hours into random games and aren't afraid to talk unlike western niggers. Seriously, it feels like most western players are just mute.

i'm just waiting for Paige

>>718725057 (OP)
I came back, walked around, and closed the game
I still count in those stats.

>>718735334
Keep seething about tf2 deadcuckie, it'll totally fix your literal freak of nature's game.
Characters? Freaks of nature
Gameplay? Freak of nature mix of two popular genres
In-game objective? Freaks if nature.
Player base? Sweaty freaks of nature locked away in the basement.

>>718725057 (OP)
Yeah man videogame is back

>>718725057 (OP)
did they fix matchmaking?
I'm reinstalling it, it's a great game I just hated either steamrolling my lane or gettting raped

>>718734926
>two mechanics intertwine and you have to be good at both to be good at the game
>this is bad because…it just is okay
lol filtered

>>718736318
They can't fix matchmaking.
They technically can, but anything other than eomm and the monetization plan gets shat on, which is of course a sin against profit.
Have fun being their product, because they clearly can't make a game good enough to justify all this bullshit.

>>718735536
Anon the only people seething are TF2troons who failed to get Deadlock cancelled

>>718736534
>he’s still going
TF2 is never getting another update, let it go

>>718736498
They specifically do not intertwine.
Farming without getting ahead is just wasting time.
Turns out farming doesn't magically improve your aim or movement (nor should it).
Aiming minimally improves the important part of mobas (which has never been the speed per camp).
So when good aim doesn't let you kill someone its...bad
Or do I have to type "le bad" for your neurons to activate?

>>718736629
Neither will deadlock hopefully.

>redditors absolutely despise doorman and are trying to snuff him
Yeah im think he's /ourguy/

>>718736580
Failed is a strong word when the steam charts for deadlock is doing a 1:1 reproduction of underlords.
Have fun cuckie!

>>718725057 (OP)
If I say it's a dead game enough it will surely be true one day.

>>718731384
Yes, there are millions of retarded tendies out there, true.

>>718736808
It just got a large update, and dataminers have found wip cpntent in the game files for the next update

>>718736909
I didn't know Underlord's player count was growing

>>718736903
he has been reddit and discord man for the past week and month, the chuds joined together (billy, drifter, victor) to stop the supports from getting in before them

>>718737421
Ignorance is your expected behavior, you don't need broadcast it

>>718737331
Truly a loss for humanity.

>>718728069
>RUN, BRYAN IS COMING.

>>718737421
Can you guys please stop replying to shitposters for 5 minutes

Why are TF2jeets so angry?

please more than 1 map.
I beg you

>>718737904
>The monkey's paw curls

No.

But it does mean that if Valve plays their cards right, this has insane potential blow.up during the actual launch.

>>718738050
>Two more content patches, that's all I need
>Two more weeks and they'll have an announcement for an announcement
>an actual launch, that's what we need, that's what saved artifact
>And then you'll see, you'll all see that valve still got it, an assfaggot in third person isn't a dead genre
>WHERE'S MY COCAINE

>>718736498
NTA but they don't intertwine, that's specifically the problem with Deadlock. The game just doesn't work, designwise

>>718740103
wrong