Thread 718758506

Holy shit there is just so much stuff to do.
Its like every 40 steps the game stops me to introduce a new system or currency or minigame

Single player mmo series since and with 12

FFVII is no longer a story about anything. It's now just a product for people who want to see the characters waved around in front of their eyes in a consequence free world that goes on forever and ever like the MCU.

>>718759135
Its weird and i dont know how to explain it, but the world in these FF7 remakes doesnt feel alive.
Yes, its very pretty to look at and theres a bunch of details and stuff to do everywhere, but something is missing.

>>718759498
Feels more like a diorama than a place. Like loading up gmod and placing a bunch of lifeless character models in a map. There's the same kind of emptiness.

>>718759498
Every NPC and character has the same dead face

Chadley fetch quests are more reptitive than Assassins Creed quests.

Cloud!

Now the honeymoon period is over we can talk openly about how shit this game really was

>>718760357
this is one of the few negatives I have

>>718758506 (OP)
Infinite wealth does, too. It's borderline unfun. I imagine 7r is much, much worse.

>>718759135
>consequence free world
Literally my problem with it. Tshirt heroes as I call it.
>>718759498
Anything goes, nothing matters.

>>718758506 (OP)
Yeah thats mainly the fun of the game. Theres always something new you are facing/encountering. Minigame, a new mechanic, a new character, a new sidequest, etc. Its great. Not many games are like these.

>>718758506 (OP)
fuck this nigger

Remake sucked but it was way better than rebirth

>>718759498
What’s missing is fitting npc’s. They look like they belong to a completely different game.

>>718758506 (OP)
>>718759498
tall grass, shrubs, flowers do not sway in the wind in this game, and you spend way, way too long in each biome if you want to 100% it, especially relative to how repetitive the overworld tracks are.

SE games are interesting, because they have the budget to fill their design doc with massive minigame and side quest checklists and assign basically a full dev shop to each individual item, but they somehow lack the vision to do the comprehensive detail work that ties it all together

>>718765385
remake feels more like a focused character action game with several playable characters and rpg-like elements. the chapter system in that game is a good "level" system and when you have access to all of midgar at the end it actually feels sort of cool, like when you get fast travel in the endgame of darksouls. "opening" the world by connecting up all the linear levels is a much better approach than starting with a 256x256 grid, running a geo sim, and just dumping PoIs all over the place

>>718765479
>>718765626
>t. plat'd Remake, stalled out 85% of the way through hard mode on Rebirth
there's just too much to do and i got so burnt out.

Why the fuck does chadly talk to you more than the actual characters in your party? Why does he feel the need to chime in after every fucking thing you do? Why did they make Red sound like a disney character? Who approved this?

>>718765626
>character action
it's stylish action and those games don't have 1% gameplay density, 99% awful dogshit.

>>718766007
>>718765626
Character action games are kinda dogshit, its just juggleslop.

Yes, it's bloated garbage.
Without it Square would have to make... only one game. Like FF7. Imagine that.

>>718761146
I wouldn’t have minded him as much if I could do stuff in the overworld sections without him yapping every 3 minutes. It’s going to be worse in Part 3 is t it?

>>718765236
>Had more difficulty beating him in Hard mode’s fights with Cloud and Sephiroth than with Cloud and Zack
I still don’t know how to feel about that.

>>718758506 (OP)
ff has been bloatmaxxing since xii

>>718765626
Remake had some focus at least, it felt like a real game made by people who care. Rebirth feels like 100 people who had no idea what the fuck they're doing putting whatever their first idea was into a game. A big boring bloated mess of random shit.

>>718766007
>>718766063

okay so first off there are good and bad character action games, but in my recollection they're all united by stylish main characters, depthful combat with combination attacks, and linear levels-based structure.

second i said "feels like" - it's more of a qualitative, subjective assessment of the design inspirations behind what i think is the better of the two FF7R games.

there is certainly a ton of non-combat stuff in Remake and a lot of its blatantly walking sim/movie game padding. BUT you're not exactly being transparent if you think FF buyers aren't looking for at least 1/3rd of the runtime playing like an anime show, VN, or party game.

its fine to have these things in an FF game, they belong there, it's part of their genre niche. but, im just saying that in Remake they took more of a linear, character-action inspired "level" based approach that just paces the whole experience much better in a 3D with real time combat

ironically Square knew this at one time, thats why kingdom hearts is basically structured that way too.

"open world" is fun in 2D with a good mix of hidden and visible PoIs. it's not so good in 3D with all PoIs indicated on your radar compass

>>718765698
I took breaks when doing Hard mode to platinum it once I realised you also had to do all of Johnny’s Hotel crap. Took about 5 months to do in between other games last year but I think that was better than trying to do it all in one go.

you're like a year late enjoy being lonely and taking to yourself

>>718766237
I think he might actually be less present now that the story is finally headed into all of its dramatic plot revelations. But maybe that's just wishful thinking.

>>718766472
all i have left to do is Chadley's VR stuff and then the endgame boss rush chapters from 12 on, then the piano song you get from finishing some of that stuff.

my wife played all the piano songs to S rank for me (yes, IDBTG nor will i ever) and she's still waiting for me to finish this stuff up and unlock one winged angel piano roll, she loves that tune and rhythm games lol

Working on my animation of Tifa vs Nina

>>718766763
you might actually improve if you spent time practicing instead of shilling your garbage here for 12 hours a day

>>718766869
Thanks! Your (You)s are my true reward :)

I've never had a game waste my time as much as Rebirth did.

>>718767113
You are wasting time when you play videogames.
At least rebirth has gameplay.

>>718767113
I gave up halfway and played good games instead. It was a great decision.

>>718766763
How would your employer feel about you drawing art of women being beaten? How seriously do they take things like that in Finland?

>>718767627
My employer knows I draw commissioned art of "naughty fighting and wrestling between anime and video game characters". Finland is liberal and progressive like the rest of the nordics and one of the basic principles is giving space and doing your own thing.

>>718767153
try playing something good for a change.

>>718768207
Like what?

>>718768227
Final Fantasy 5

>>718768421
Oh man what a tricky answer, because FF5 is actually one of my favorite FFs.

many remake haters also hate rebirth

many remake haters now love rebirth

i love ff7 remake but hate rebirth. we are the minority

>>718758506 (OP)
Its too bloated

>>718766468
>if you think FF buyers aren't looking for at least 1/3rd of the runtime playing like an anime show, VN.
No one who plays in depth action games want to deal with that shit. and even FF games were never this bad at FFs peak.
The real FF7 for instance has brief cutscenes with textboxes you can rapidly mash through and even skip in later versions. Unlike 7R there is no anime cringe, they never overstay their welcome and don't blatantly stall at snails pace to deliberately waste your time.
you always get back into gameplay quickly and you don't have to wait 5 full minutes for the camera to slowly crawl up to you and cloud to stretch his arms before you regain control. it's instant.
now on to KH2 (this games cutscenes have some anime cringe, almost as much as 7R even) BUT they're skipable. as a result KH2 has a high gameplay density and that's why it's a favorite of stylish action game players.
KH2 has no forced walking, no scripted events, respectable skill based mechanics, no artificial enemy HP, no "4 cutscene interruptions ruining every boss fights", most of the mini-games are not only short but actually fun and optional (they're based around sora doing cool action shit, because this is an action game.)

if Square are trying to make action games then instead of the unplayable garbage they're pumping out now, KH2 is the minimum standard they need to aim for.
and from there they should work on reducing the amount of mandatory mini-games & such even more.

>>718759498
Ff15 was like this too, so much effort and npcs in the city and restaurant but its all hollow

>>718759498
>Its weird and i dont know how to explain it, but the world in these FF7 remakes doesnt feel alive.
Because the characters act like space aliens. Tifa and Areith literally tilt their heads like dogs.

>>718758506 (OP)
This is why I can only play these games portable now

>>718759498
That's most remakes but people don't admit it, it's a problem intrinsic to repeating an idea

>>718765160
Are these "people" real? This is entirely what virtually every single open world game is predicated on, something "new" to constantly find and do. It is impossible for any hundred hour, or even 50 hour game to TRULY be "unique" at every turn, so some aspect of this entire thread is just fundamentally lying. If I had to guess, my intuition is that what occured with the original final fantasy garbage 7 stands tall here. In that it was able to trick subhuman retarded literal fucking stupid fucking children that they were doing anything more than mashing A at every random encounter, by getting them to jump on a dolphin, march in a parade, CPR some retard, catch a chocobo, and do some shitty basic "push forward" platforming to swing on a rope with finnicky depth perception in midgard.

A flood of "varied" gameplay that when you actually get down to it often followed the exact same beats, just in different contexts. Where the game introduced some shallow haphazard system, with completely different rules that can never truly develop or test anything beyond preconceived "knowledge" and experience with the game. By virtue of being an entirely different "game" within a game, that is not the actual game.

>>718770437
>This is entirely what virtually every single open world game is predicated on, something "new" to constantly find and do
have you ever played open world games before? i have, and no, it isnt remotely close.
Mainly because the side content IS the content. If you play through the main story, you find it lacking.
Assassins creeds games are like this. Far cry games are like this . Even the witcher 3 is like this.
Meanwhile, FF7 remake has a full on 60 hours story if you just go for the main path, and on TOP of that, you get side content. So you can do whatever you want and never find it lacking.

>>718758506 (OP)
>>718759135
>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

>>718769815
>Because the characters act like space aliens. Tifa and Areith literally tilt their heads like dogs.

>>718769815
every character in 7R has an IQ of 5... combined. They are clinically retarded compared to their original versions.
it's also because all the NPCs look like pollution. like they were just dropped in from some shitty bathesda game.
None of them look like belong in in the world FF7 and neither do the shitty generic environments.

You can't interact/talk to most of them either. They are programed to automatically assault you with the same shitty dialogue every time you run past them.
which makes the game feel dead and synthetic. You have these fucking anime drones repeating their 1 bot line at you over and over again whether you want to hear it or not.
FF7 felt comfy and more alive because NPC did not overly pollute the maps. you could visit their cozy houses, if you wanted to hear what an NPC had to say you'd talk to them and their dialogue had way more value.
then the next time you walked past they wouldn't start repeating the same shit automatically.
making your memory of them an endearing NPC.
not a fucking spamming bot like in 7R.

>>718770646
>falseflagging
yawn

>>718759135
this is exactly how I feel about the RE series, it really got too big for its own good, hopefully that ff9 remake is not that stuck up its ass or maybe its better it never comes out even

>>718770746
>it's also because all the NPCs look like pollution. like they were just dropped in from some shitty bathesda game.
Some of them also look like they were dropped strait out of a K-pop music video.

>>718771259
jesus what an ugly game

>>718769526
your observations on each of the games are correct, but you're seething because you overlooked one of the key elements of the text you quoted: im not primarily thinking about action game fans, im thinking about FF fans.

>>718770746
>>718771259
That's because they outsource the npcs to western companies and of course for the west only ugly nogs exist. I hope 3D model AI advances enough so companies can just use AI models instead

>>718771259
Well that's that pointless character form Crisis Core. her turks uniform has been replaced by some odd garbage costume that doesn't even make sense for a Gongaga resident to wear.
and I think those others are the "ethnically diverse group" from the snow white remake.

>>718758506 (OP)
Yeah, it's why I dropped it. Game's full of mechanical white noise

>>718771741
Let's us be honest, only specifically designed by Japan (Barret, Kyros) most kuros just look too out of place in fantasies. Now every elf is some ugly kuro using that awful zoomer haircut, it's repulsive, elves were supposed to be beautiful and elegant beings

Lets make this shit thread into something productive.

In the third game I expect a fight with Cloud to be in the first chapters, if not as the first boss in the tutorial chapter.
Cloud crashout will be nice and also it may teach us how to use Vincent and Cid.
Revamped Chadley, with a final fight to free him from Hojo.
Highwind airborne fights
I expect Ruby and Emerald Weapon fights to be like gilgamesh island: very difficult in a normal run, better done in NG+
A expanded world with the possibility of turning off quest markers and locations, only fast travel points.
A platinum like Rebirth.

>>718771690
>That's because they outsource the npcs to western companies
Post a source, ranjeet

>>718766574
>Wishful thinking
Hopefully not and my fool’s hope actually happens for once.

>>718766663
The final piano song you get for finishing everything isn’t required to get the Platinum thankfully. But I tried to S rank that one and gave up once my controller started getting minor stick-drift. Good luck to your wife on that one.

>>718769526
>they should work on reducing the amount of mandatory mini-games & such even more
I’m hoping this is the one thing they tone down in Part 3 as even Nip players who said they liked the game said this was their biggest gripe with it. Especially with how each one had a Hard Mode you had to do upon beating the normal version.

>>718770575
As much as I like Remake and Rebirth, each of their main story sections aren’t as long as that. Never did a pure story-only playthrough of Rebirth, but for Remake it was about 30 hours of story (first playthrough where I did everything finished at the 52 hour mark). Witcher 3 is somewhat similar but it gets points for its side quests being a hell of a lot better than almost all of Remake and Rebirth’s ones. And that includes the one they retroactively added in 2022 as a tie-in to the Netflix show.

>>718770746
The NPCs aren’t all that great in the original either and are just as easy to ignore, but one thing I really fault Remake for is how they portrayed Midgar’s slums outside Aerith’s house. The part in Chapter 4 where you have to turn off the sun lamps especially confused me because, from what we saw of Sector 7, light had no issue getting through the gaps in the plates. The slums as a whole also felt a bit too tidy and clean for my liking.

>>718771863
>Game's full of mechanical white noise
sounds like your brain is too lamo owned

>>718771690
>That's because they outsource the npcs to western companies and of course for the west only ugly nogs exist.
They all have a similar "handsome" face. They aren't ugly, they just don't make any sense. The dude on the K-pop girl's left looks like he's Pilipino, but with a Caucasian face shape.

>>718771979
>In the third game I expect a fight with Cloud to be in the first chapters, if not as the first boss in the tutorial chapter.
I expect him to stay a guest character with tifa being the "main" character all up until he heals in mideel. And we fight him in the northren crater, definitely.

>>718771741
>I think those others are the "ethnically diverse group" from the snow white remake.
Got a good kek out of me on that one.

>>718772118
Nah, that's when Cid takes the lead.
Cloud has to dissapear at the end of a chapter and reappear again at the end of the next, no more than that.
Then Tifa stays in Mideel while we go to hunt some great materias with Cid.

>>718771613
FF fans are jumping ship in record numbers partially because square killed all good will and more than halved their audience by trying to scam them.
I think there was almost a 70% drop off of buyers from 7R1 to 7R2 and 7R3 is expected to bomb even harder.
Former fans are championing literal UE5 asset flips like E33 because they hate SquareEnix so much. "it's so nice to play something that's an actual game and without anime cringe".
Square better make more changes do a lot better if they want the action game audience. the RPG fans are sick of them.

>>718772472
Let me rephrase it.
I expect part 3 to start with Tifa as main character, you controlling her, and Cloud is "away", as a guest character. You dont control him, he speaks alone sometimes and it is to give the idea that you are losing cloud.
Obviously later Cid has to take over during the Magnus materia quests, but Tifa is the main character until much later.

>>718771979
What I think will 100% happen in Part 3
>Boss fight against Cloud at Northern Crater to try and stop him giving Black Materia to Sephiroth. Bonus points if his attacks are influenced by his Materia set-up
>Ruby, Emerald and Ultima Weapons become mandatory bosses (from where we ended Rebirth there aren’t too many mandatory bosses left). E.g. Party has to fight Emerald Weapon at or leaving the underwater reactor at Junon.
>Aerith and Zack will join Tifa in the Lifestream while fixing Cloud’s memories
>Each character’s Ultimate Limit Break and Ultimate Weapons will be tied to story content. My money is especially on Vincent getting Chaos during the final phase of the Hojo boss fight.
>Buster Sword breaks and Cloud repairs it into the Fusion Sword from Advent Children because Nomura cannot ever seem to let go of AC.
>Knights of the Round will be gotten close to the start of the game but will only have the first Knight. Will get the rest as you do more world and AR stuff for Chadley.
>Cloud and Tifa fuck under the Highwind
I honestly have no idea what angle they’re going to take for the Wutai War and that mobile game’s character but that shouldn’t have been added in the first place.

>>718772764
You missed Genesis of project G coming back.
he's canon in the demake universe.
he's gonna kill sephiroth and be the real final boss.

>>718769815
Why does this message pop up in every Rebirth thread? This has to be a chatgpt bot or something?

>>718773026
>Why does this message pop up in every Rebirth thread?
It doesn't, your brain is broken. But I have made a similar post in past threads.

>>718772605
I think the game still has to start with a controllable Cloud, Icicle inn, the snowboard, the climb... there is too much story until the whirldwind maze with a guest Cloud. Maybe at the entrance of the maze he could become a guest.

>>718772605
Not sure on Cloud being a guest character right from the start like Red XII at the end of Remake (and like Vincent should have at least been at the end of Rebirth), but I think something like that could happen once we start fighting through Whirlwind Maze to Sephiroth in a similar manner to how player’s lose control of Atreus in God of War 2018. Which in Cloud’s case is him being ‘lost’ to Sephiroth’s influence.

>>718758506 (OP)
Best game I’ve played all year and no trained out like is going to tell me otherwise

>>718772000
>Hopefully not and my fool’s hope actually happens for once.
What's worrying is how Rebirth avoided letting more impactful moments linger. Just imagine while Cloud is tripping out at the crater Chadley calls in to ask if he's all right.

>>718772475
no ones jumping ship, its only here do I see a massive hate boner for this game, it was nominated for goty, it sold a lot for a console exclusive and then pc port, people like the game. People like you try to start gay little culture wars and pretend as if people are being forced to play Rebirth against their will and E33 came to save them because the characters dont grunt and scoff like an anime. NOBODY other than chronically online weirdos gives a shit. Nobody gives a shit. Nobody cares about Square, normal people do not care, do you get that? Do you understand they just play the games for fun and don't interact with any of this homosexual discourse online because they have better things to do?

>>718773026
it doesn't.
you're thinking of the "more time with the characters" copypasta

>>718773217
Yeah that was a very weird design decision. Most egregious ones were Dyne’s death with Dio showing-up doing his poses, the party glossing over Cloud attacking Tifa in Gongaga’s Reactor and the cutscenes during the end fights and ending. Cannot find the source but I’m pretty sure they said that the latter was done on purpose to mostly keep fans guessing what happens in Part 3 for the next few years.

>>718759135
The story was always fucking dumb

>>718773084
>>718773752
It literally does, the "they tilt their heads like dogs" message is in every single FF7 thread, it can't be a person who is sitting in front of a computer 24/7 waiting to post it, it's a bot.

>>718773713
>no ones jumping ship
sales prove otherwise.
it's it weird that such a large majority of people who bought "part 1" didn't buy the next part?

>>718772472
can't wait for Cid's time to shine

>>718773915
maybe it is just the same poster so he posts his ideas always

>>718772764
>from where we ended Rebirth there aren’t too many mandatory bosses left
They've been doing random-monster-turned-boss since remake. I expects a questline for knights of the round littered with random monster turned bosses.
>Aerith and Zack will join Tifa in the Lifestream
I don't think so, it's an intimate moment between the two, maybe some guidance but not a full on presence.
>because Nomura cannot ever seem to let go of AC
I also expect some AC related ending or at least a post game DLC.
>Cloud and Tifa fuck under the Highwind
It will fade to black and nothing will be explicitly stated to not upset anyone.

>>718773713
Rebirth was shit sweetie pie, of course people suck the game off when you regularly visit normie retard central like Reddit and whatever the fuck else lmao literal cattle that don’t give a fuck about a game other than “look how hecking le cuterino and smooth everything looks!”. Vomit inducing.

>>718773026
I dont know I've seen that exact reply but there is one guy in every thread always try to convince people the og FF7 was some serious mature think piece where nothing goofy happened and so Remake Tifa and Aerith doing some anime shit is completely out of left field and should be removed

>>718773818
Now it’s as dumb as can be, what a win!

>>718773915
>It literally does, the "they tilt their heads like dogs" message is in every single FF7 thread, it can't be a person who is sitting in front of a computer 24/7 waiting to post it, it's a bot.
Like I said, I've posted a similar message i previous FF7 Rebirth threads, but not all of them.

>>718773713
To be fair to that anon, the sales numbers outside Japan for Rebirth (or lack thereof), Squenix choosing to cut the exclusivity deal with Sony (which would have cost them a decent chunk of money to do) and the controversy of Remake being a soft reboot/sequel does lend credence to the fact there was a massive drop-off between the two games. Even when they released it on PC and it only got up to 45,000 concurrent players max doesn’t bode too well for it either. I don’t think there will be a massive drop off from Rebirth to Part 3 unless Squenix do something really stupid like not releasing it at the same time on PS5 and PC or forgoing the PS5 if the PS6 comes out around the same time in 2027 (with Sony already admitting they’re changing focus to the PS6’s development for the future), but the numbers will still be lower than Remake.

>>718773818
why is OG story dumb?

>>718773984
I want to see him run
They have to keep his goofy run

>>718773915
Oh you're talking about people pointing out the character bizarre 'social' behavior? that's very common.
forgive me, I'm going to explain this like you're autistic because there's a good chance you are. it's because 7R characters are weird spergs and their movements and dialogue are extremely unatural.
People are innately tuned into what is normal acceptable behavior and what's not. So it's just natural to notice when something is trying and failing to pass at acting human..
The fact that you think basic human instinct is surprising is more concerning than anything.

>>718774050
>it's an intimate moment between the two, maybe some guidance but not a full on presence
In the original absolutely. But Part 3 seems like the place where it will really diverge from the original and the fact that Aerith is still ‘around’ and alternate timeline Zack is still kicking makes me feel they’ll be involved somehow.
>It will fade to black and nothing will be explicitly stated to not upset anyone
The fade to black part will definetly happen during ‘it’, but I am very confident they’ll show the initial start of it similar to what Clive and Jill do in XVI and everyone on the Highwind will comment on it. That’s if they choose to do it on the cold hard ground and not go back to the idea in the original of them getting it on in the Highwind’s Chocobo Pen. Also one last thing I forgot to mention that will 100% happen
>Midgar 7th from Junon Parade in Rebirth will either be the Highwind crew or will help Cloud and friends during the Raid on Midgar

>>718774376
I think it will be more ‘normal’ initially but once he picks up a spear again he’ll get his goofy run.

>>718773818
add adding time ghosts and multiverse will definitively make it less "dumb".
That whole human condition theming was too relatable and human. need more stupid nomura bullshit.

>>718774776
>Aerith is still ‘around’ and alternate timeline Zack
The thing is, they're not timelines. Zack is dead, he died on that hill, the Zack that "survived" is a "wishful thinking" inside the lifestream given free will. Think Tidus but without leaving the dream.
>getting it on in the Highwind’s Chocobo Pen
I want this too, show the under the highwind beggining/ fade to black/ reappear walking out of the pen.
>Midgar 7th
They are near Junon, my bet is the soldiers you spare in the sub.
The crew of the highwind were Cid's old Shinra crew.

>>718774120
>people suck the game off when you regularly visit normie retard central like Reddit and whatever the fuck else lmao literal cattle
>WAKE UP SHEEPLE REBIRTH SUCKS
these are the people spamming rebirth threads and we are supposed to take them seriously?

>>718775693
>the Zack that "survived" is a "wishful thinking" inside the lifestream given free will
did you just completely miss the part of the game where it's explicitly shown there are hundreds of multiverses where different things happen and sephiroth is even traveling between them trying to destroy them.
Or is this just delusional semantics because you know alt universes are bad writing but if we don't call a spade a spade then we can pretend there is no problem.

>>718776412
>did you just completely miss the part of the game where it's explicitly shown there are hundreds of multiverses where different things happen and sephiroth is even traveling between them trying to destroy them.
Sephiroth is lying because he knows those "alternate universes" arent real. He intends to make them so, he wants to create the promise land.

>>718776412
They are not multiverses. They are all in the lifestream. The "neo-reunion" Sephiroth wants is giving all those potentials a base on reality. He wants all the possibilities made real, so no one dies, no one really lives.
We all become Tang and the Promised land becomes something real and not the literal afterlife it really is.

>>718776728
And to add to this I also think this is how Sephiroth breaks Cloud in the first chapters.
Sephiroth shows him how schizo he is and that Aerith really died, then shows him a solution to bring her back if he joins him.

>>718776728
oh this retardarded fanfic theory based solely on dialogue from 1 NPC in rebirth.
"it's all just a fever dream inside the lifestream"
you realize that's even worse writing than multiverses right? like the 7R plot already doesn't matter much because it's not the OG universe or characters.
and your theory makes it matter even less.

I think the falseflaggers left, in that case I declare Rebirth was one of the best gaming experiences I ever had, and I cannot wait for part 3 to be announced

>>718777030
>you realize that's even worse writing than multiverses right
Its actually much better. Its the same idea as the canvas in exp33. Your feelings, your dreams, your desires made real for you to stay delusional. And sephiroth wants to exploit that.

>>718777030
The lifestream nature as a multi-conciousness organism comes from the OG.

I am truly very glad this flopped

>>718777340
same
Redditbirth is so fucking bad

>>718777030
Nothing is worse than there being literal physical multitude of realities, that is actual Marvel tier shit.
FF7 is a game with spiritual themes, dealing with the conscious and subconscious. If Cosmo Canyon NPC is the intended direction that's about the best outcome you can wish for all this added nonsense.

>>718777212
It's not better lol the "it was all a dream" trope is worse than multiverses (but you still have multiverses IN THE DREAM LOL).
trust me you should just cop being made fun of for the time travale ghosts and multiverse shit. the extra layer of it all being a dream on top of everything.
Infact at the release of 7R1 we found that it ticked all the hallmarks of bad writing
-character coming back to life
-time travel
-alt univereses

the one redeeming factor is it didn't have "it was all a dream" and now you want to add that too?

100%’d the game. Barring some really fucking annoying late game side quests, I had a ton of fun with it.

>>718777340
>>718777558
heckin yeah! game bad!

>>718777695
>Nothing is worse than there being literal physical multitude of realities,
except for there being a literal meta-physical multitude of realities.. in a fever dream.
adding that finally layer of stupid before you nail the coffin shut.

>>718777838
Sephiroth being the godlike thing he thinks he is, doesnt want to become one with the lifestream and wants to live forever, and jenova wants to siphon lifestream.
So he devices a plan:
The whispers were keeping the lifestream in check, whats real is real and all of your dreams are just that, dreams.
With the whispers under sephiroth control, the lifestream goes haywire, creating these "alternate worlds". Where Zack survives, Aerith survives, and Aerith gets her dream date with Cloud before the end. These die quickly however, but it is still lifestream that Jenovaroth can actually feed on.
So sephiroth goal is to create the promise land: a place where no one dies and everyone is "happy" and delusional, all under sephiroth wing to be god and syphon lifestream forever.
For that he takes control of the whispers, wants to mix all the lifestream branches into one and finally, bomb it all and absorb everything.
He will give Cloud a choice: let aerith go and defeat me forever or meet with aerith and be happy in deluluworld.
Its literally the matrix + FFTA.
The game is about loss and acceptance. Cloud HAS to understand that Zack died, that aerith died, that hes not a soldier and cant live in denial forever to defeat Sephiroth, who keeps feeding him lies.

>>718777838
The multirealities are not dreams per se, they are realities within a collective consciousness.
Imagine ghosts in heaven living all their possible lifes. They are not dreaming, they are dead, but they are also experiencing their own desires because their soul is alive within the lifestream/heaven/Promise land, while the material world keeps going.

>>718763504
I did not care for Aerith's entire personality. Tifa all the way

>>718778364
>So sephiroth goal is to create the promise land
I kinda wish for a sephiroth redemption ending, not gonna lie

>>718778571
Yeah redemption as in "dont worry bro, you will be here with me forever, no dont worry no need for wanting to die"

>>718778667
At the end of creation? That will be the final, final battle, like in OG.
Cloud will finally make him accept he's dead, renounce Jenova's influence and become one with the lifestream.
I hope Great Gospel, as a cure for Jenova cells, is somewhat an attack or a synergy with lifestream Aerith in the final battel with him.

>>718778571
he's too crazy, he's basically an animal going off instinct that can't be reasoned with

>>718778380
they are mechanically just as stupid and assuming your theory, based on throwaway dialogue from a cosmo canyon NPC, turns out to be true all the timeline, multiverse, ghost, removal of stakes bullshit was all still there to ruin ruin the plot just as much but now with the extra reveal at the end that is was all just a fever dream and none of it mattered.

You've somehow picked the only theory could devalue the plot more than the devs already have.

>>718779168
Pre-death he was batshit.
Post compilation and in RE he is probably more in control than ever.

>>718759135
>MCU
Major Crimes Unit?

>>718777897
Yes.

>>718758506 (OP)
That sounds annoying

>>718779263
>throwaway dialogue
it's too long, too detailed to be a "throwaway", anon.
Like that other NPC talking about the "calamity" at the observatory, that's irrefutably true.
>that is was all just a fever dream
You keep saying this, but it's not true. Reality is reality. When you play as Cloud you are playing in the material world, in reality.
And there's not a removal of stakes. The stakes are there and are mostly even worse. Imagine fusing heaven AND hell with the real world. Not good.

i love the game

>>718773818
so you don't mind people calling 7R's plot garbage right? you actually agree? good to know

>>718779989
7R isn't the real world tho. the OG is. and 7R cloud is not the real cloud no matter what theory you go with.

>>718779263
As long as the plot can be explained, it's good.

>>718778364
Sephiroth and Jenova are now separate entities.
The Sephiroth that Cloud and everyone sees is a body part of Jenova/black robe, very akin to Jenova's goals, like the OG.
The Sephiroth Cloud sees is sephiroth's will talking to cloud through the jenova cells abilities, mostly sephiroth. And the one at the edge is just sephiroth's conciousness trapped within in the lifestream, reaching to cloud as he becomes more attuned with the lifestream.

>>718780491
No Cloud is the real Cloud until the lifestream sequence.
Other than that, Cloud in the OG has been expanded anon, he was given more lines thus he needs to have more personality to him.
But the base character is still there.

>>718780836
I don't suppose you have any criticisms of 7R do you?

>>718758506 (OP)
yeah in the beginning

my favorite game this generation and the only negative some people can even come up with is that they themselves are braindamaged completionists ruining their own fun because there is just too much game

>>718781173
>of course the game is shit if you try to play ALL of it!

>>718781478
there is no valid criticism of rebirth

>>718780505
Nah. Sephiroth and Jenova are the same entity, it's just that Sephiroth has completely taken over. Jenova never had a true will or intelligence to begin with, while Sephiroth's will was too strong for him to become a subservient puppet. Sephiroth is, for all intents and purposes, Jenova. This was always kind of the point. Jenova never had a true personality.

>>718780836
what is 7R cloud in your insane fan theory? what do you think he is?
>a metaphysical figment of the lifestreams dream
>an alternate universe cloud magically caught and transported into the lifestream fever dream
>the real actual OG cloud after the events of FF7 (and AC & DOC cause 7R says these are canon), sent back in time, de-aged, memory wiped and then magically transported into the lifestream fever dream.

>>718782224
I don't think it's that deep. Ultimately, the story of FF7R is one in which two gods (Sephiroth and Aerith) are fighting over the planet's fate. And the key to everything is Cloud. Cloud was just unlucky enough to A) constantly be at the wrong place at the wrong time and B) be literally the only guy on the planet who can consistently beat Sephiroth. Due to being so highly susceptible to Sephiroth's influence, he is the one key to Sephiroth's victory. But his bond with Aerith is what allows her to influence him as well. Sephiroth and Aerith are literally fighting for Cloud's soul.

Just as Sephiroth is able to pull Cloud into his world, so too can Aerith. The reason Cloud is special is because of his unique relationships with both. After Advent Children, Sephiroth became the FF7 world's God of Discord, while Aerith became the Goddess of Harmony.

>>718782762
Man, i kinda wish this game was still about super soldiers and aliens

>>718783121
It kinda is. It's just that the alien's hellspawn became part of the planet and usurped control over some of its administrative functions, becoming its god. Or one of them, anyway. Which is, you know, what Sephiroth was trying to do in the original Final Fantasy. That's what Safer Sephiroth was, Sephiroth in the form of a god.

>>718782762
A complete non-answer.
you seem to be dancing around giving a tangible response.
You claimed cloud was not a timeline clone and was "real" now it's time to back that shit up with what he is.
the problem is your theory is a mess and everything in it can only be a meaningless dream figment that doesn't matter.

>>718771741
It's just there for theorycrafting, a kind of sport that is very beloved between the FF7 fans.

>>718781065
I do, both games.
>Remake
Same as XVI, sidequest that wants us to become attached to places or NPC's but fall flat, I'm looking at Betty and most of the kids siquests.
Too extended side missions: we didn't need to visit the sewers a second time.
Too extended main missions: The train graveyard, the sewers, the climbing to the shinra building, THE DRUM, I hate the fucking drum.
The final fights could be a liitle more clear and less Kindom Heartsy.
And sometimes you could feel how they struggled to reconnect the main mission with the side content.
I still like the overall game, but I only replayed it for the plat, and some feels.

>Rebirth
I hated the towers because I love exploration, I didn't like it told me where to go.
Chadley was annoying as fuck, didn't need him to tell me everytime what I was doing and I prefer to forget about Mai (and Kyrie).
Some pacing is wonky in favor of new content, and it show the struggles of the devs to include as many things as possible. Like, because we are not going to rocket town, Palmer's fight has to be included somehow, breaking Dyne's mourrning. Or how Red and Seto's reunion wasn't as powerful because the Gi's new story is much more interesting.
I hate that I have to skip Chadley's dialogue to access his menu and that I have to do it again if I have to recheck equipment.
But I love the game, I platted and play the simulator trying to solo every summon with Tifa, I still go look for rabbit burrows and made guide maps of all the locations I've found.
I still play queensblood and galactic saviours, sometimes gears and gambits with different gambits.
I do hate the chocobo glide and running wild, others are meh or replayable on accasion for better scores.

And after all of these, I fucking love it, put 400h on it for a reason, even if it's not perfect.

>>718783247
do you even read the autistic garbage you write?

>>718765236
Just you wait, there is an even worse fight involving Odin later on if you are going for 100%. Fuck that fight

>>718759135
>>718759498
link to the discord xisters?

>>718782224
The fuck are you on.
Cloud is the same Cloud than in OG. But they added that Cloud is more in sync with the lifestream, letting him get "glimpses" of the reality that has to happen.
It's not a future Cloud "talking" to a past Cloud. It's Cloud glimpsing what has to happen because it should happen.
You can say it's because it's a post compilation work, but also it could be because of the 5 years of Hojo injecting him mako through his veins.

>>718783628
boo hoo you had to see two posts not being positive about a game you like

>>718784336
>Cloud is the same Cloud than in OG
now this is the most retarded delusion I've seen yet.
if 7R cloud is the literal cloud from OG then when does 7R take place?
before or after the events of OG?
It can't take place before because then the story of OG can't work
and it can't take place after because then cloud needs to have his memory erased and all of this contradicts with AC and Doc.

>>718784605
>two copy pasted posts that are in every rebirth thread
very organic

>>718784976
>>718770646
I guess you're okay with some but not others, huh?

>>718770646
Thanks for always posting this. Today it helped me to shut up a crybaby.

>>718785073
You're pathetic.

>>718785852
i suppose that's a yes

>>718784928
>when does 7R take place?
In the same place, retard, just expanded.
They are the same game, expanded.

Because, with the information we have now, we can't really say if this is the future or the past or the present like OG. Only that Cloud sees glimpses of it like Remake Aerith.

Like with the playerbase:
To a new player the visions are a glimpse of the uknown future, to a OG player is reliving the past. Right now both are correct but the characters are only experiencing a blind playthrough, Cloud has seen a descontextualized tiktok clip and Aerith has already knows the game because she's a dev, but she really didn't get to "play" the game.
Technically, Aerith doesn't need to come from the future to be Omniaerith either, she only needs to be the Cetra that is destined to save the planet, and the jannies just need to make her forget the parts that make her not follow the path to her death.

>>718786047
*Aeris

>>718786179
*Earth

>>718786047
>In the same place, retard, just expanded.
if there is only 1 cloud then he either lived through FF7 or 7R it can't be both at the same time.
the plots are completely opposed and contradictory.
Holy fuck you're retarded. you are one dumb fucking nigger.

>>718786047
>when does 7R take place?
>In the same place
this is only possible if cloud is a timeline clone in an alternate universe.

>>718770575
this is a JRPG based on strong story and presentation, not the elder scrolls Oblivion. they replace Oblivion world with mini games and mmo side quests, spread it ober 3 hundreds hours long games and guess what it doesnt work. So yeah maybe if you do the story back to back its fine but 3rd game isnt even out

so the player has to neither only do the story but neither do all the side quests because its not inetresting enough so they have to get angry until they give up because its not clear at all when to sotp an the player has to manage themselves

the game flow for that isnt intuitive enough and you re aksing too much from the player because its simply not designed properly which comes probably from the fact that you cut a 40 hours long game into three games and spread it unto 300 hours, obviously oyu re going to run in problems?

sayign there cant be too much content is like syaing ther ecant be too much pasta on my plate.

>>718758506 (OP)
>Rebirth thread is always created at brownoid/jeets/chink hours
>soon they are going to sleep and the thread will archive due to this game complete irrelevancy
Everyday. Everytime.

>>718787074
It also assumes all games become objectively better by making them 10 times longer, regardless of what you stretch them out with.
>why are you complaining about MORE?

>>718786584
>if there is only 1 cloud then he either lived through FF7 or 7R it can't be both at the same time.
It's a HIVEMIND. It's the future, the past and the present all made one, the lifestream is a 4th dimensional being. Like the God Emperor in Dune. The lifestream knows when it began, where is it going and how it will end. Sephiroth, with his alien DNA, is the only one who can break the cycle and prevent things from happening.
Cloud is tapping into the lifestream, as is Aerith, but neither one of them needs to be from the future, only have a conection with the Godly Green Goo.
Until the devs say the contrary, this is the theory I'm going with.

>>718758506 (OP)
Its been a year, yoi dont need to shill the game anymore. Everyone who was ever going to play it, already has.

>>718788658
It's because we may have some news next month?

>>718788527
>nonsencial bullshit
LOL DUDE WEED. Lay off the weed. it's made you way too low IQ to function.

>>718788759
wouldn't count on it quite yet

>>718788925
Point still stands tho.

>>718758506 (OP)
Yeah,it's almost like it feels exactly like an ubisoft game but this one is made in japan(WOW YEAH LUVNIPPON)and pretends to be Final Fantasy 7 when it's at best a tiny fragment of it

>>718789160
Well, they said by the second anniversary of the gatcha we may get some news? I'm hoping at minimum a title drop.

>>718789365
You can just play it like og ff7 and follow the story, nothing and no one is stopping you from doing this at all and if fixes all the supposed issues you might have like slower pacing etc
you are responsible for the buttons you push no one is forcing you to do any optional stuff thats why its optional, some like it some dont.
Completionists are retards who optimize the fun out the game and then blame the game for their own mental illness .

>>718789365
Gamers like you are the reason why nintendo was right to reward completionist retards in zelda with a golden poo.

Why is this hotly debated every single day here? I saw a thread here everyday for the past week

>>718789945
>Woah you did everything (that was actually meant to make subsequent playthoughts different from each other) to the point you now hate the game and you completely ignored that open worlds are a buffet and you pick an choose what you like and dont eat the stuff you dont like!
Congrats you did everything even the stuff you dont like! As reward you get gold for being the best.. but you are really just the worst and a stupid idiot so thats why its a golden poo.

Make fun of nintendo all you want but that middlefinger to completionists was more than warranted and i wish more devs had the balls to call out stupid gamers.

>>718790516
You're not familiar with insecure FF fans? They will make this thread every day until everyone finally says 7R is flawless, without argument. They're still doing the same for VIII and XIII.

Rebirth is a good game if you ignore half of it. And if you don't ignore half of it you're a retard. Yes, it's your fault for not ignoring the bad half, not the devs fault for making half of it bad.

>>718791115
This is unironically my argument

>>718790516
They are bait theads. Either one autismo hates the game so much he needs to tell everyone everyday like it raped him, or another autismo who likes the game so much that likes to bait engagement from /v/'s hateful nature.
Either way, -sometimes- they are nice threads.

I got filtered by Gi Nattak on Hard just like most people who do a Hard playthrough. Just realized that I wasn't having fun getting instantly wrecked over and over again and put it down.

>>718791380
>man this side content is boring
>WOW it's not like the game RAPED you stop crying about being RAPED by the game
shut up you sad overdefensive fanboy faggot

>>718792017
git gud

>>718792017
>Gi Nattak
weak
Rufus is the real filter

>>718792017
Filtered, Rufus is way harder and the bouts or friendshop rulers of the outer worlds

>>718789368
yeh but word on the street is will take a bit longer

>>718792856
>Trust me breh
What else they say?

>>718759135
It's literally three games, you fucking drama queen. Four, if you want to count Crisis Core.

>>718793036
Ignore him. Anyone posting negatively is lying. The next part will be out early next year. Ignore the doomers.

>>718793196
>early next year
Everybody knows it's not coming out until '27. I'm just asking for a reveal trailer, not even gameplay at this early.

>>718793036
not much

>>718787526
Like poetry