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Anonymous No.718801750 >>718801872 >>718801878 >>718801925 >>718801937 >>718801970 >>718802029 >>718802040 >>718802119 >>718802690 >>718802937 >>718803186 >>718803508 >>718803560 >>718803684 >>718804745 >>718805892 >>718806284 >>718806650 >>718807013 >>718807246 >>718807856 >>718808907 >>718809347 >>718809450 >>718809605 >>718809640 >>718809710
Why do zoomers love fast paced movement shooters
Yet dislike arena shooters?
Anonymous No.718801872 >>718802029
>>718801750 (OP)
Make a good modern arena shooter and I will play it. It's crazy how there's so many Doomclones on the market but we aren't at multiplayer yet. Even Doom had multiplayer!
Anonymous No.718801878 >>718809347
>>718801750 (OP)
terminal brainrot makes them like the fast movement which is easy to do, but also makes them incapable of understanding projectile trajectories or having the patience to get used to them
Anonymous No.718801925
>>718801750 (OP)
Why did you frame an opinion as a question?
Anonymous No.718801937 >>718803560 >>718807034 >>718810420
>>718801750 (OP)
Arena shooters are direct consequence.
You lose? Other guy was just better.
No team to blame.
No cheap shit to cry about.

They can't handle the realization.
Anonymous No.718801970
>>718801750 (OP)
>dislike arena shooters
No gimmick shit that masks the lack of skill.
Anonymous No.718802029
>>718801750 (OP)
Because they suck cock to play.
>>718801872
Try the finals it's like if an arena shooter wasn't turbo shit. Alternatively play Straftat or whatever it was called.
Anonymous No.718802040
>>718801750 (OP)
My favourite streamer ain’t play any lil bro
Anonymous No.718802078
all the adhd kids can’t do that and are watching three iPads of family guy clips and subway surfer and TikToks instead of ever trying to think
Anonymous No.718802086 >>718803232 >>718808453
make a arena shooter that looks and plays like this and zoomers will play it
Anonymous No.718802119 >>718802182 >>718802272 >>718802425 >>718802840
>>718801750 (OP)
Re-release the best for free
People will notice it
People will play it
People will realize what they're missing

Bombing Run could be a standalone kind of game in a f2p scheme and it would work
Anonymous No.718802182 >>718802406
>>718802119
All they will play is torlan 24/7.
Anonymous No.718802248
I could ask why do zoomers think zebras are purple waterbreathers with talons and get a dozen dead serious replies
Anonymous No.718802253
Because they suck ass with a controller and they mostly use consoles
Anonymous No.718802272
>>718802119
i want games with multiple gamemodes back
tired of this one note per game shit
Anonymous No.718802406
>>718802182
>The shittiest map and the shittiest game mode because it's the most braindead kind of gameplay you can select

Seems right
Anonymous No.718802425
>>718802119
yeah but that'll require timmy tencent no longer disowning the series and not leaving all the work to fans, as of now uploading of unreal 1 and ut1 to his company's servers when making them free is too much work for him to handle
Anonymous No.718802434 >>718809453
Anonymous No.718802690
>>718801750 (OP)
Zoomers only want fast paced shooting in games where getting a friction of speed requires you to do some dumb tech like slide cancelling or whatever. They don't want to go fast by default because it'd be too much for them on top of the tech.
Anonymous No.718802840 >>718803183 >>718803292
>>718802119
they straight up removed all unreals from stores because they want nothing to do with the series these days. you ain't getting shit
Anonymous No.718802932
sage No.718802937
>>718801750 (OP)
>literally a screenshot from reddit
Why not record yourself playing quake if its so great, nitwit
Anonymous No.718803060 >>718803486
I wish i had more UT webms
Anonymous No.718803183 >>718803712
>>718802840
They did a Secret Level episode dedicated to UT and Xan's background
Anonymous No.718803186
>>718801750 (OP)
Because movement is only the surface level to an arena shooters mechanics and gameplay, whereas most "movement" games that zoomers play are still just cod but a little faster. Zoomers don't want movement they just want cod but "epic" looking and more "fast paced".
Anonymous No.718803232 >>718803279 >>718807093
>>718802086
These webms being posted as a complaint have always been mindboggling to me. All it tells me is you've never played counterstrike.
Anonymous No.718803279
>>718803232
>All it tells me is you've never played counterstrike.
ew no why
Anonymous No.718803292 >>718803712 >>718803748 >>718808559
>>718802840
Epic made Unreal and UT99 free to play. Epic gave the OldUnreal site the go-ahead to allow people to download them there along with the patches that allow for modern hardware. As for why UT2k4 isn't, I'm unsure. There may be some issue with Digital Extremes, more so than UT99.
Anonymous No.718803486 >>718805056 >>718807276
>>718803060
>thread is crying about how zoomer are casuals
>thread is immediately co-opted by someone playing a game more casual than fortnite
yep sure is nu/v/ in here
Anonymous No.718803508 >>718803683 >>718803967 >>718805405 >>718810037
>>718801750 (OP)
It's really not the same. Far from it. These "fast paced movement shooters" are all about twitch aim and low TTK and sliding. Oh boy, that retarded sliding. They barely take any skill in terms of movement because they have to be console input friendly. Quake 3 and related games are about map knowledge, item placement, knowing what weapon to use in what situation and moving around has a high skill ceiling on it's own. You have to time every jump and turn perfectly while maintaining game sense at a high pace or you'll lose all momentum. Modern "fast paced shooters" let you pick up the momentum in a heartbeat and don't require any thought about your weaponry outside your preferred main weapon. Everything is also hitscan so forget about leading your shots or putting any thought in crosshair placement beyond your enemies head.
There really is no comparison to make between the old and new shooters.
Anonymous No.718803560 >>718807034
>>718801750 (OP)
it's simple. this >>718801937 + playing a subgenre that has almost no casuals, so they cant farm clips on blue collar dads who just got back from work
Anonymous No.718803683
>>718803508
its harder to aim with hitscan weapons in quake than it is with rockets. but having better aim in quake doesn't matter when you have triple the health as the other guy.
Anonymous No.718803684
>>718801750 (OP)
people don't want to play a game with rocket launchers in it, they want hitscan weapons
Anonymous No.718803712 >>718804046
>>718803183
same reason a hooker is fine with lending her body for anyone who wants it, not like she values it

>>718803292
literally all they did was say yes and make a html page, they don't even want to host the game files themselves
>There may be some issue with Digital Extremes
anyone who follows warframe knows they're the last company that'd be petty about this sort of thing
Anonymous No.718803748
>>718803292
I feel like there's no way DE is responsible, they fucking love Unreal. Half the guns in Warframe are shoutouts to UT (including actual UT Flak, ASMD and RL skins salvaged from the cancelled UT4) and the CEO of the company started 20 years ago as a graphics engine code monkey on UT2003 (or maybe 04, I forgot). Plus DE had already worked on Unreal and UT99, it would be weird for them to be able to halt one rerelease but not another.
>made free to play
2004 was already ostensibly free since the last patch included an officual no-CD patch, but Epic killed the master servers anyway.
Anonymous No.718803897
>killing bots in UT
lmao faggot
Anonymous No.718803967
>>718803508
people forget that yeah at top tier play everyone can aim like a god, but it's not just possible to be out-aimed yet win through mental speed chess at that tier but to even win regularly from it (see: rapha)
Anonymous No.718804046
>>718803712
It might not be DI themselves, but Epic not wanting to pay them since they co-developed it, and let's be honest, DI carried the Unreal series as evident with UTIII being Epic only. Epic was in the middle of its lawsuit with Apple when they pulled them from the stories, right? They were probably trying to cut any and all costs.
Anonymous No.718804745
>>718801750 (OP)
The feel of being on a team
Anonymous No.718805056
>>718803486
why do you keep posting your shitty shmup gameplay
Anonymous No.718805405 >>718806207 >>718808067 >>718808214 >>718809172 >>718810412
>>718803508
>Quake 3 and related games are about map knowledge, item placement, knowing what weapon to use in what situation and moving around has a high skill ceiling on it's own
I'm tired of this meme. Deathmatch is the most basic ass game mode there is. You can't make FPS more simple than that. That's why no one plays this shit seriously anymore. The only reason you think arena shooters has great depth is because you never bothered to engage with anything else.
Anonymous No.718805826
Their favorite ecelebs aren't telling them to play Quake.
Anonymous No.718805892
>>718801750 (OP)
arena shooters completely expose them. they rely entirely on gimmicks, arena shooters are 100% skill based
Anonymous No.718806207 >>718807329
>>718805405
>. You can't make FPS more simple than that. That's why no one plays this shit seriously anymore. The only reason you think arena shooters has great depth is because you never bothered to engage with anything else.
CoD is a deathmatch game with unlockables
Anonymous No.718806284
>>718801750 (OP)
Zoomers hate weapon pick-ups
Anonymous No.718806650
>>718801750 (OP)
kids like whatever they're told to like by marketers. it's always been that way. that era of video games was unique because it was a relatively small industry that wasn't swarming with advertisers and psychologists trying to extract as much money as possible from people yet.
Anonymous No.718806936
How do you get into a game for the first time where the meta and standard of play has raised the skill floor incredibly high for a first-timer and not get frustrated enough to stop playing after getting repeatedly raped in your first match against people playing since 2005?
Anonymous No.718807013
>>718801750 (OP)
Do we even know this when there hasn't been a decent arena shooter released in years? Quake Champions went to shit at one point and never recovered, but people were playing it before that point.
Anonymous No.718807024
[VGTG]
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Anonymous No.718807034 >>718807856
>>718801937
>>718803560
Boomers are retarded, arena shooters have teams plus battle royale can be played solo and have direct consequences as a death means the end of the game

Real reason arena shooters just suck
Anonymous No.718807093 >>718807283
>>718803232
cs sucks
Anonymous No.718807246
>>718801750 (OP)
You don't start with a good gun and you have more than two weapons at a time without a weapon wheel.
Anonymous No.718807276
>>718803486
Unreal Tournament isn't casual.
Anonymous No.718807283
>>718807093
Better than quake
Anonymous No.718807329 >>718807448 >>718808052 >>718810412
>>718806207
and it has far more complexity that traditional arena ever had shit thanks to a ton of system mechanics including but not limited to said unlockables
Anonymous No.718807448
>>718807329
This. Arena shooters are by design: simple, boring and bland. Completely out of date, much like the people who still play them.
Anonymous No.718807856 >>718810282
>>718801750 (OP)
Because they will easily get stomped by somebody who already played for 20+ years
>>718807034
Team games in arena shooters are still fairly individualistic when it comes to gameplay, also there's no battle royale it's deathmatch you retarded zoomer
Anonymous No.718808052
>>718807329
>and it has far more complexity that traditional arena ever had
LMAO. CoD is way easier than arena shooters, why do you think people still plays CoD MP
Anonymous No.718808067
>>718805405
You can actually make it more simple by removing map knowledge, item placement, and weapon variation, and then you just have modern Call of Duty.
Anonymous No.718808214 >>718809784
>>718805405
You haven't played any of them
Anonymous No.718808453
>>718802086
imagine having to watch those hands and arms, i wouldn't be able to play
Anonymous No.718808559 >>718808650
>>718803292
if this is true it really piss me off, UT2004 is objectively better than all other versions. only sniperfags would disagree.
Anonymous No.718808650 >>718808762
>>718808559
it had worse music and maps than ut99 so shut the fuck up
Anonymous No.718808762
>>718808650
ok sniperfag, but that's extremely subjective
Anonymous No.718808907
>>718801750 (OP)
because "movement shooters" are based around aim assissies trying to "break cameras" of other aim asssisies
they wouldn't last in the arena, because the arena values tracking as a skill
Anonymous No.718809172 >>718809458
>>718805405
lmao. Modern FPS are literally just watered down arena shooters. Instead of relying on map knowledge and mechanical skill you just pick a gun and "lvl up" your character through some meaningless progression system. Map knowledge is rendered meaningless because there's nothing to hunt down, movement tricks to master or finding optimal routes between items. At best it's randomized loot in some kinda battle royale bullshit. Movement is easy peasy so everyone can do the exact same shit, even on a controller. Movement in arena shooters meant you we're able to clear gaps less players couldn't do.
There's no sense of timing in moving around the map due to no pickups nor is there any sense of timing in your weaponry because everything is hitscan and just about popping heads. Recoil is minor and reloading is animated so fast it's meaningless. It's a far cry from timing rail gun shots or lobbing nades from a grenade launcher. There's no running interference in other players momentum with rockets or a lighting gun.

If you want to go down to the core difference, getting gud at arena FPS meant you, the player are getting good. Getting gud at CoD is just unlocking better gear through half baked exp systems. The player doesn't get a lot better for it. They intentionally keep the skill ceiling low to sell you cosmetics or battle passes. This has been proven time and time again. They even maliciously added the gear that was used to kill you in a kill feed to sell you garbage.
There's also matchmaking so you are always tiered with players at your """"skill""" level so there really is no chance for you to improve substantially by getting thrown in by more skilled players. But it sure will keep those dopamine shots firing and keep you playing.

>Deathmatch
Casual game mode in any game. Arena shooters don't even revolve around DM. Competitive play is duels, 2vs2 duels and CTF. It's abundantly clear you never played any. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Anonymous No.718809345
arena shooters are the opposite of modern cod I think.
in arena shooters you move very fast, quake had strafe jumping and UT had the translocator spam. meanwhile in modern cod and cod clones you are a lumbering beast with no option to move faster other than a linear sprint
in modern cod like games the TTK is very fast, it really comes down to a game of who sees who first. meanwhile in arena shooters once two people find each other a duel begins, the ttk is much lower.
I think modern zoomers are way more sweaty than gamers were 25 years ago.
modern attempts at arena shootes completely miss what made them fun back then. modern iterations try to go all in on the esports angle which was not at all the appeal of quake3 and ut99. I know many zoomoids have gone their whole life being told that was the case. it wasn't. quake and ut99 were much closer to TF2 at launch. a casual playerbase that wanted to connect to custom servers with dumb mods and have fun.
so there's alot of factors why there just isn't much overlap in that venn diagram.
Anonymous No.718809347
>>718801750 (OP)
Like this guy said >>718801878 , they don't want to learn things like strafe jumping, bunny hopping, rocket jumping, etc. They probably have a hard time understanding how their rocket will even connect with the enemy
Also, Call of Duty is a good middle ground between a fast paced shooter and intuitive gameplay, so you don’t have to learn the game before playing it
Anonymous No.718809450
>>718801750 (OP)
They want instant gratification. They don't want to learn or improve, so any learning curve whatsoever is too much for them.
Anonymous No.718809453 >>718809515 >>718809574
>>718802434
There is literally no refutation to this either, especially in regards to Quake Live which was always good after loadouts were changed. Arenafags don't play their own genre.
Anonymous No.718809458 >>718809995
>>718809172
>Getting gud at CoD is just unlocking better gear through half baked exp systems.
unlocking systems for retention are gay as fuck but you're essentially maxed out in what you're capable of within 10 hours, and "meta ready", which isn't a long time if you're dedicating yourself to a game
Anonymous No.718809515
>>718809453
i don't play a genre, i play quake
Anonymous No.718809574
>>718809453
UT2k4 still hasn't been topped and Warsow had severe connection issues for no fucking reason so why would I play the genre instead of the one game I care about?
Anonymous No.718809605
>>718801750 (OP)
the human condition is to want what you cant have and then you get it and you want something else after
Anonymous No.718809640 >>718809696 >>718810045
>>718801750 (OP)
I literally had this conversation with some sony fags just last week lol
They were showing me all the "advanced" movement on consoles, bhopping, sliding, snaking man i laughed the hardest i've ever laughed in years. They watch streamers do that shit and think "yeah thats mad skill"
In any old arena game Quake/Unreal based they'd be obliterated. No contest. They have zero skill and no amount of aim assist on a controller would save them from even the worst M/KB players. Arena games had huge skill ceilings with the best players knowing the map inside and out, knowing item spawn timers, best routes, expected enemy routes. Non of the mobile trash on the market today has this.
Anonymous No.718809696 >>718809763
>>718809640
no one cares about this sweatlord shit
Anonymous No.718809710 >>718811135
>>718801750 (OP)
People don't play arena shooters because they have snowball mechanics that mean noobs will get curbstomped by non noob.

I still don't understand why they didn't fix that obvious flaw in Quake Champions.
Anonymous No.718809763 >>718810000
>>718809696
>being good is sweat
ok zoomer, dont forget to preorder BF6 season pass.
Anonymous No.718809784
>>718808214
I play multiplayer shooters since 2001. This is my main genre I enjoy the most. Even back then I don't think I played more than 100 hours of Quake 3 before getting absolutely burnt out with it. Deathmatch was never fun. Even for 12 year old in early 00s.
Anonymous No.718809990
Arena shooters don't have modernized tacticool gun animation autism
Anonymous No.718809995 >>718810373 >>718810863
>>718809458
Even if you get everything down in 10hrs, those games leave no room for personal improvement because the mechanical skill ceiling is so low. There's simply nothing to git gud at. Low TTK just means the guy who spots the other guy first wins 90% of the time. You can't really escape an encounter or drastically outmanoeuvre them by using advanced movement. Your only option is to shoot back and hope for the best.
It's stale as fuck and everything about it is designed for instant gratification. Multiplayer FPS died after TF2, which betrayed it's own design after adding hats and different loadouts. Everything after that is garbage upon garbage.
Anonymous No.718810000
>>718809763
Being good at non intuitive shit that only matters in one piece of software and bragging about it online is just cringe, unc. Get some real skills already
Anonymous No.718810037
>>718803508
>Oh boy, that retarded sliding.
You know quake 4 introduced the crouch slide right
Anonymous No.718810045 >>718810178 >>718810735 >>718810993
>>718809640
Don't confuse skill with repetition, anon.

True skill incoporates the ability to adjust on the fly/respond on the spot to a different situation. A lot of Quake/UT players I used to go against didn't cope very well when something didn't fit their repeated pattern, or they were flung into an unknown map.

Otherwise, 100% agreed. Zoomies can't stick to one game long enough to build any true skill.
Anonymous No.718810178
>>718810045
i'd describe that as talent.
Anonymous No.718810195 >>718810391 >>718811254
Is Tribes Ascend still played, that game was fun.
Anonymous No.718810282
>>718807856
>also there's no battle royale it's deathmatch
Im talking about battle royale compared to arena shooters you nimrod
Anonymous No.718810373
>>718809995
i agree, it's not a compelling series for shooting skill
the hardpoint mode, a king of the hill like gametype, is a somewhat interesting mode though
Anonymous No.718810375 >>718810426 >>718810506
team based slop is the worst thing to have ever happened to shooter games
Anonymous No.718810391
>>718810195
No the dev is a retard and fucked it hard after the whole jackal/plasma gun fiasco.
Anonymous No.718810412
>>718805405
This is the kind of retard I would beat 40 to -2 in a duel because he doesn't time the red armor or the megahealth. The negative two coming from him being pushed into the lava / off the edge of the map twice
>>718807329
Yes, adding the killstreak "mechanic" really elevated the game... Kys...
Anonymous No.718810420
>>718801937
You're quite literally describing coping boomers and why they can't compete in FPS games now.
Anonymous No.718810426 >>718811338
>>718810375
i like ctf if there's a grappling hook
Anonymous No.718810506 >>718811921
>>718810375
t. so shit the team bans him from any role but rifeman
Anonymous No.718810735
>>718810045
Skills are literally just built through repetition, you dumb fag
>ability to adjust on the fly/respond on the spot to a different situation
That's adaptation. It comes from experience and experience comes from repeating the same shit over and over, which is called repetition
Anonymous No.718810863
>>718809995
>Game dev? Doom? Heh, sorry, you must have me mistaken for someone else...
Anonymous No.718810993
>>718810045
...what you just said was meta vs non meta you dumb cretin...which requires alot of game knowledge to understand.
Anonymous No.718811135 >>718811993
>>718809710
They did though? They ruined duel for me to appeal to you soft fags. Don't remember? The game resets after 1 kill and it's like a best of three rounds so you get a fresh start after every kill, you never have to play from behind vs a player with map control
Anonymous No.718811254
>>718810195
Tribes 3 hahaha
Anonymous No.718811338
>>718810426
Nexuiz/xonotic had great grapple ctf
Anonymous No.718811921
>>718810506
he's probably talking about hero shooters
Anonymous No.718811993
>>718811135
Noobs don't play duel you fucking retard

And imagine thinking you're tough shit for whinging about only being able to snowball for 3 frags in one(1) game mode. What a pathetic faggot.
Anonymous No.718813125
7th gen niggers whose only arena shooter experience was halo 3 suddenly roleplaying as quake pros is fucking pathetic