Thread 718835315

WHY

That's just how it is irl

>>718835315 (OP)
They have never hunted deer in their life.. its only game mechanics.
Shotgun will fucking kill you at considerable range.
Lefty devs...

the same reason reloads and jams get either simplified of completely glossed over - it's a game, not a milsim

>>718835315 (OP)
they are using birdshots

>>718835315 (OP)
Because the game has slug rounds for killing far away enemies.

>>718835315 (OP)
It's a video game. If the short range shotgun did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it.

>>718835315 (OP)
Sniper-fags got uppity that someone else dared to do 1 hit KO's at range beyond melee.
>WTF SHOTGUN OP! ONE HIT KO'D ME AT TEN METERS!
>360 1 hit KO's nigger across the map at 150 meters
>ITS BALANCED WHEN WE DO IT!

>>718835315 (OP)
For gameplay purposes. If guns in games were like IRL guns then there would be no point in using anything but a standard assault rifle since handguns and shotguns will also just fucking kill anything at most ranges other than absurdly long faraway fuck you range. Why use a slow shotgun when you can use a handgun? there would be no damage system either because IRL means that if it's a projectile fired from gun then it equals death. Shotguns IRL are specialized for breaching doors, hunting (some laws require that you hunt ONLY with a shotgun sometimes) and home defense. But if it's just for regular killing? literally any gun will do, all guns would be the exact same. Guns are unironically overpowered in real life so they need to be nerfed for games so they can be unique and fun within their own class.

>>718835730
>It's for balance because realism isn't fun!
>Which is why sniper rifles still 1 hit KO at any range!

>>718835730
>IRL means that if it's a projectile fired from gun then it equals death
because everyone can headshot right?

>>718835441
this cant be a real post

>>718835414
retard

>>718835916
You can die from a single bullet just about anywhere on your chest unless you're pretty lucky.
Hell, even in the legs if you're very unlucky.

>>718835315 (OP)
Because shotguns are op and would make other weapons redundant.

>>718836024
You can also die from drinking too much water and from million other things. Doesn't mean much

>>718835978
It's real. Shotguns are fucking amazing.

twitter repost thread.

>>718835681
>>ITS BALANCED WHEN WE DO IT!
Yes. Sniper GODS rule, simple as.

>>718835315 (OP)
>/tv/ be like:

https://youtu.be/t6OBk9YBLQU

its because of consoles
with how heavy aim assist needs to be, especially these days, in order to make it seem playable on a controller having a shotgun be useful past 10 feet isn't allowed
there's a lot of multiplat shooters that have nerfed shotguns and explosives over time because they create a problem in the console environment
the main one I can name off the top of my head is hunt where most of the shotguns and explosive tools got constantly nerfed over time because of consolefag whinging
this also happened in siege to a lesser extent but console siege was always a joke so the impact wasn't as drastic so ubisoft put in their own effort to make sure the game became shitty

>confettis
You will never be white

>>718836318
except of being big, relatively heavy and with low magazine capacity

>>718836615
Lol. Lmao!

>>718836615
Point and click motherfucker! This isn't sniper work miles out.

>>718835315 (OP)
Halo 1's shotgun was so good

>>718835315 (OP)
Because shotguns would be too fucking strong at normal game distances. Rising Storm 1 & 2 show how they work normally.

>>718837032 (Me)
I'm not saying it's a bad thing though. Sniping fags from 100m with a double barrel buckshot was fun as fuck.

>>718836297
Retarded comparison.

>>718835315 (OP)
so that you have to fucking aim. remember when that was a thing?

>>718835456
I enjoy games that have jams because it gives an actual use for sidearms.

>>718835315 (OP)
t. never used the SPAS-12 in Modern Warfare 2

>>718835315 (OP)
how many ore fucking times do we need this thread?
people have been posting this for decades now
it's because of gameplay balance, plain and simple

>Can't have shotguns that perform as they would IRL because they're too good.
>In almost every game with realistic ballistics players will still use a wide variety of weapons and while strong shotguns are still outclassed by assault rifles and DMRs
It's just lazy balancing on the devs part.

>>718835998
It's real tho, you need to try it. You can't say shit without trying it for yourself.
Like get your friend to shoot at you from a safe shotgun distance, like 15-20m, it hurts a little but it's actually not that bad

>>718835315 (OP)
because game balance mother fucker
almost every MP shooter map is less than a hundred meters from end to end if you balanced weapons appropriately to real life then rifles would be nearly pointless in favor of SMGs and shotguns since the fucking whole point of them is to shoot at shit four hundred meters away

>>718835414
in real life its gonna need to travel a good 30 feet before it starts to spread, dumbass.

>>718835793
This is the weirdest thing people say. Guns are already "balanced" in real life, that's why they're all used. They're all the best at different stuff.

BF6's shotgun is a fun ruiner, not fun to use, not fun to get kills with.
I think HL2 and TF2 do shotguns well.

>>718835441
So, Doom's shotgun is realistic?

>>718839830
it depends on a gun, like if it was non tactical shotgun the lethality drops off from 5m

>718840183
>baiting this blatantly

>>718840151
its more realistic than most vidya shotguns.
a normal shotgun might spread out to about 20 inches at 30 ft, and 40 inches at 75 ft.
they can also have a choke to force the pellets to stay compacted longer.
consider this chart to be "ballpark numbers"

the only way I can think to change this would be to have a REALLY short sawed off so that the shell was sticking out of the barrel.
no clue if the crazy kommando who made one of those ever tried firing it.

>>718835315 (OP)
Sooo just like real life

>>718840151
ahah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4
so this crazy gun DOES behave like a video game shotgun in spread, looking at the cardboard after 3 min in.
because there is no way for the barrel to keep the pellets in line

>>718840759
lol, ever seen the montage of that idiot with the miss count and "pumped up kicks" playing?

>>718835315 (OP)
Balance > Realism

>>718840759
>retarded nigger missing the target because he's so fucking close the pellets haven't even spread out significantly
>Uses this as evidence for massive pellet spread
What did anon mean by this?

>>718840913
he meant sarcasm, fellow autist.

>>718836346
>twitter repost

anon shotguns doing no damage past ten feet is like the original gamer meme, back when /v/ hated the word 'gamer' and 'meme'

>>718835315 (OP)
becuz yuor a fagot

>>718836615
you never saw the beltfed shotgun some crazy bastard rigged up once.
this thing was homemade.

>>718840913
you don't have an evidence tho unlike that anon

>>718835315 (OP)
for balance, shotguns would be too op otherwise

>>718835681
They should remove sweetspot bullshit. All snipers should be 2 bodyshots or 1 headshot with varying firerates, damage falloff, and scope zooms as a balancing point.

>>718841082
>Shotguns would be too OP if they could 1 hit KO at close-medium range
>It's not OP that snipers can 1 hit KO at any range though

>>718841151
sniper can't one shot at any range tho unless you headshot (which is also unrealistic)

>>718841148
If snipers can 1 hit KO to the head, people are just going to aim better and get the 1 hit kills anyways.
If doom had a pixel-perfect 1 hit KO hitscan gun, it wouldn't have been as popular in multiplayer.

>>718835554
Agripinaa Mk. VII my beloved

How can shotguns be OP if everyone uses them though?

>>718841151
Shotguns don't need to ADS to reliable hit meanwhile you either need to quickscope or hold angles with snipers

>>718841319
Because if any other weapon can 1 hit KO, it treads on the sniperfags toes. And they won't tolerate that.
So you're just going to have to deal with shotguns being worthless past ten feet.
>>718841353
>Shotguns don't need to ADS but they only reach out to medium range
>This is way OP
>Meanwhile it's fine when we can 1 hit KO at any range
Sniperfags are such a fucking meme.

>>718836615
>shotgun
>heavy
Post hand

>>718841268
I love the gritty feel of darktide weapons

>slower reloading
>if you move while reloading it takes longer
>you completely stop when you shoot them
There I balanced them. Hire me.

*blocks your path*
*snipes you*

>>718840151
No but Rising Storm 2's is

>>718841405
What if we just have a sniper shotgun like in Battlefield 3 and 4 to please everyone?

shotguns can be realistic and not OP when balanced in games that use 'realistic' armor like tarkov

>>718841545
Off-topic but I love Red Orchestra 2.

>>718835315 (OP)
Play GAMMA. Shotties are godly.

>>718841556
>sniper shotgun
those are called rifled slugs and any shotgun that's not plugged with a narrow choke can become a 'sniper' shotgun

reminder for anyone here, if you want to experience how lethal a shotgun truly is you need to install a stalker modpack like Gamma.

They have realistic range and damage. Buckshot absolutely rips people apart at over 50 feet away.

>>718841534
Akimbo shorties was peak mw2. Running between the spawns on highrise, knifing campers in the back and bull rushing people just leaving spawn, I have never been as bricked since. No other Vidya moment has ever come close to that rush.

>>718835414
Me, personally? I would not want to stand anywhere within like 100 feet of a loaded shotgun. But that's just me

>Assault Rifles = Ranged over time damage = Good at open spaces
>Shotguns = Short range burst damage = Good at tight spaces

Seems fair to me OP
unlike average vidya sniper which gets the best of both worlds

>>718841778
Shotguns should have in-theory massive damage but low penetration. Armor should stop it pretty easily.
It's like being hit by about 8-9 .38 lead balls.

ENTER

>>718841989
Not even slugs will penetrate body armor, although the force trauma will still deal damage to the organs.

>Shotguns for monsters
>Scoped rifles for everything else

good design or bad design?

>>718842140
Slugs can penetrate body armor, depending on the armor and projectile in question.
You can get a surprising amount of pen out of such a low pressure firearm due to projectile mass/length.

>>718841778
except it's not even remotely realistic as even the most basic armour will stop buckshot dead

>>718835315 (OP)
I wish I knew, shotgun is like the most versatile non automatic (unless it is automatic) weapon in modern day. If I had to guess, they're nerfing it because it'd be too OP otherwise
>can have tight spread for accuracy
>can have wide spread for greater area of effect
>can have literal dragonfire pellets for setting things on fire
>can use slugs for HUGE accuracy and damage
>can blast 8-32 pellets at the same time (32 if birdshot doublebarrel)
>weighty enough to be used as a bludgeon in worst case scenario
>will fuck up am attaclomg grizzly bear most reliably
>most cost efficient ammo in games (most games have the player run with some 120+ rifle/pistol ammo, easily spending 3-10+ bullets per enemy, while the shotgun carries some 40-80 ammo and 1-2 shots almost anything)

>Shotgun in Call Of Duty
>The pellets literally disappear into thin air after like 20 feet

I never played a COD again when I realized this. It's a level cartoonish I can't tolerate in a game that takes itself that seriously.

>>718835681
I am infinitely less annoyed when I get shotgunned than when I get sniped in any game.
at least I had a chance to see the shotgunner before they saw me, but the sniper is almost always a cuck in a bush, tree or tiny window so far away that I can't even see there.

That said, I hate how babyfied a lot of games are now when dealing with either - the snipers tend to have a long laser line that may or may not flash just before they fire, and shotgun enemies do little to no damage while taking years to react)

>>718843183
Go fuck yourself, why the fuck do you want to deny us snipers the ability to kill people instantly across the map without any fear of reprisal?

>>718835315 (OP)
because it's the only real life gun that can fit the "strong in close combat" archetype
turns out, when you are making a game based on real guns, you are very limited for choices, and if shotguns were realistic you'd barely feel the difference between them and rifles, because real guns are boring and once you get into lethal calibers they just kill

>>718835315 (OP)
For some reason people think that a shotgun is barely more sophisticated than a blunderbuss. Rifles are for people at ranges most video games don't engage with, and there is no speed or handling advantage for submachine guns / PDWs. It's just to add gameplay variety at the end if the day.

>>718845104
blunderbuss will fuck you up just as much if not more, and at surprisingly long ranges too. lack of complexity only betrays it when reloading.

>>718835414
In real life it just like rips your entire head in half from close range lol.

>>718845104
this, shotguns would dominate the distances that most games have you shooting each other from, so they're nerfed to improve variety, don't know why this is so hard to understand
sure its unrealistic, but it leads to a more interesting game and less stagnant meta
interesting game design is more important than realism circle jerking in 90% of games

I said it before and I'll say it again.
You shouldn't have shotguns or snipers in FPS multiplayer because there's simply no way to balance it properly. It will always be retarded and unfair lol.

>>718835315 (OP)
Shotguns would be overpowered for how small video game maps are, irl they could fuck you up over the whole distance of a cod map

>>718841148
>they should remove this thing only one game ever did
and it was cool as shit when they did it

>>718845948
It's very easy.
Most multiplayer shooters require you to hit a guy with a half dozen bullets to kill from any full auto gun, and it usually takes 0.3 to 0.5 seconds to shoot that many.
No bolt actions or pump shotguns that can instantly delete you in 0.0 seconds ("but muh scope in time" no fuck that, the dudes with machineguns need to sight up too). Make it full/semi-autos only that need at least two dead-on shots.

>>718841148
No headshots either. Body part multipliers are fucking stupid when one gun magically blows your head off but others need 3+ headshots.
Aim for center of mass.

>>718835315 (OP)
Because Hitler lost the war

>>718836708
Now it's big, relatively heavy and fails to feed twice a minute

>>718843538
I don't, keep it, I just don't want shotguns to be trash

>>718846595
show me hitlers video game shotgun doctrine.

>>718846595
ze germans weren't really big on shotguns tho

There's a reason why militaries rarely use shotguns, and it's because they aren't good combat weapons, and they cause way more wounds than deaths.

Why do /k/opers want every game to be shit

>>718846870
I laugh every time I think of this lol
>ach, das ist no fair! >:(

>>718836521
console babies straight up just sit there and get to pretend they have good aim when all they need to do is hold down fire at the right time

>>718845948
And thank God you aren't a video game developer.
The fun comes first, then the balance. Blasting people with shotguns is fun.

>>718841268
What game is that?

>>718845948
snipers are balanced with charge time
shotguns are balanced by default because they kinda suck compared to auto rifles

video games need much bigger maps. most fps are all occurring at close ranges and so guns are balanced all fucky to compensate

>>718847176
Darktide

>>718847225
fuck big maps
small maps, fast mobility, relatively short ranges

>>718846951
>they cause way more wounds than deaths
It's more that they don't have the range and capacity that rifles do, and get easily defeated by body armor. Yeah at 100 yards someone shooting at you with 00 buck might just give you a nasty wound with a stray pellet (which would still be similar to getting shot by a handgun), but within 50 you're probably donezo, and in a building you'll likely be missing a chunk of flesh.

>>718847239
Oooh.

>>718847361
then make it realistic and only use shotguns and smgs, remove rifles from game

>>718847885
forgot
also no hitscan

>>718840759
who the fuck holds a gun like that lmao

>>718836531
nor you

>>718835414
rage bait /k/ with one easy trick!

>>718835315 (OP)
because otherwise it would be too OP

>>718848790
a single shot weapon will never be more op than a bullet hose rifle

>>718835315 (OP)
>melee weapon
:|

>melee weapon with ammo
:O

>>718835414
have you never gone skeet shooting

>>718841423
He said "relatively". Shotguns usually weigh more than rifles and that's with 15% of the available shots. When shotguns are a pound or more per shot and an assault rifle is 0.3 of a lb per shot, that's a noticeable difference.
A few lbs isn't a lot but it adds up over long durations especially when other heavy activity is included. Weight isnt the only/main reason shotguns aren't really used but it certainly is one of them.

>>718835315 (OP)
bump

>>718836090
>>718835730
Except shotgun would be terrible against armor

>>718853553
*shoots you in the groin*
shotgun would be great against armor, just don't expect it to pierce through plates

>fire shotgun once at wall
>pellets hit wall in a 2-foot radius
>fire shotgun once at same wall from same distance but now looking down sights
>pellets hit wall in a 1-foot radius
it's just science

>>718854063
>two slit experiment
>electrons hit screen in a wide interference pattern
>two slit experiment but you're looking really hard
>electrons hit screen in two narrow bands
observing through the iron sights collapses the wave function

>>718853980
If you are getting shot in the vest with 20 gauge, it will broke your ribs.
If you are getting shot with 12 gauge or worse you are probably dead.
I recommend shields against it

>>718835315 (OP)
Are there any ganes that actually explore different ammo options? Like say loading a slug over buck shot?

>>718835414
fpbp

>>718842234
it's a "you're a retard and still don't know how to handle stalker despite having played it for years" problem
if you had more than 100IQ you would have realized shotguns in stalker only really excel against trash tier mutants like dogs, fleshes and pigs and everything else is best dealt with smgs or full auto pistols with hollowpoints, fmj assault rifle rounds - or explosives. the second that clicked for me I instantly cut off more than 10 kilos from any of my mid to late game loadouts, for shotgun ammo is heavier than your mother and is also nearly useless against armored stalkers

if shotguns are so OP irl why doesnt the army use them?

>>718854764
7.62 High Calibre lol, especially in mods you get nearly every type of shotgun ammo you can think of, in that game buckshot and flechettes maintain lethality at pretty good ranges, and despite that shotties are still memeshit weapons that only really are good in the early game, and outside the early game are a clutch for making so that characters with shit tier aiming stats can still kill something at short ranges in a pinch. you know what's better than shotties under those circumstances? small grenades and machinepistols.

>>718839857
never tell a german that shotguns are balanced they will froth at the mouth and descend into a fit of rage

>>718855114
Because you have to git gud at shooting before handling a shotgun in the field, most soldiers are only used to standard issue

>>718854764
Bioshock 1/2 was great about this, everyone gun has multiple ammo types. Shotguns had normal buck for mobs, slugs for armored enemies and could also bunch through light terrain

>>718839717
retard

>>718857385
>everyone gun has multiple ammo types
this is not a good thing
In fact, it's completely unnecessary.
Half life 1 is one of the best FPS games ever made and it did so with weapon variety not ammo variety.

It really do be that whey

>>718835315 (OP)
Shotguns are hard to balance. Not that hard to understand.

>>718857782
t. german

>>718835315 (OP)
>take twitter screenshot
>crop out the twitter ui
Think you're slick, BOY?

devs are obsessed with the concept of "balance" in singleplayer games, so every weapon or tool needs to be shitty in some way

>>718857605
its fun...

>>718855114
because of armor
they see anti-drone use

>>718840701
Fully restricted barrels like the Winchester 1897 keep an even tighter pattern at distance.

>this gun should be better than any other gun
>so we'll make it completely worthless instead
>yeah, now it's balanced

>>718835414
It is not. These guns have been used to hunt medium to short range since their inception, the only exceptions are trenchguns and other shotguns explicitly designed for C&Q.

>>718835730
>For gameplay purposes.
But gameplay would be more fun if guns were to behave in a realistic manner. If you play a FPS game, you're not interested in larping as a magic wizard
>this wand is for long ranges!(rifle)
>this wand is for close ranges!(shotgun)
>this want is just shitty and you use it when the other wands lost their juices!(handgun)
Just make a game in which if you put a bullet into someone, their flesh explodes and they die. It's really simple.
>b-but what about the gameplay?1?
Just don't get shot bro. Use cover. Everybody wants to larp as a 1337 modern warrior, not a harry potter rpg wizard.

>>718858808
>medium to long range*
Short range being overkill, as it rips apart game -- you'd also not want to dig out the pellets...

>>718858405
Eh, I'd say they are obsessed with the concept of gameplay variety, so they have to flanderize weapons' qualities to make them feel different from the rest. Same reason why revolver will always do more damage than a pistol, even if it's chambered for the same round.

>>718835441
>hunting deer with a shotgun
what the fuck am i reading

>>718858983
with a shotgun, you can hunt anything you want

>>718858409
>enemies being bullet sponges if you don't use the right ammo type is fun
no it isn't.
especially hard mode where normal rounds become virtually useless and you have to use the special rounds otherwise nothing dies. They don't even add any unique gameplay feature either it's just hidden numbers behind the scenes.
Hardly as impactful as just having a different weapon with different mechanics or at least giving the alternate ammo types some sauce so they feel different to use. See the alt fire for the mp5 and pulse rifle.

>>718858808
You are parroting info youve heard. A trench gun patterns tighter than most modern pump actions, its longer ranged (with buckshot) than maybe 70% of shotguns that currently exist.

>>718853553
if you're shot with a shotgun wearing armor, you're on the ground wishing you were dead.

>>718858983
Please share with the class why you think its called “buckshot” retard

>>718860275
invented in the 1600s by William Buckington, first field tested application against his bitch wife because he didn't want her face to be recognizable upon his capture

>>718860275
a dollar's worth of lead, heading your way

>>718859805
My kick carries more energy than a shotgun blast. Can you stop with the tired old memes.

>>718854869
Me? I really like using double barrel shotties against bloodsuckers. If you don't miss the two shots are enough to kill.

>>718835554
Nogunz here, every time I travel to the good old US of A the first free evening I have I beeline to the nearest range that does rentals and shoot some fucking 12 gauge SLUGS (among other things) out of a pump action. They're just so satisfying.

>>718835315 (OP)
ever played payday 2? you can pop snipers' helmets from 50+ feet with shotguns if you ADS

Feels good man.

>>718862410
That shotgun blows ass man, it's the epitome of op image you basically can only use it for point blank meatshots otherwise it's worthless. It's a melee weapon dressed up as a gun. Doom shotgun and super shitty spinning in their graves.

>>718862787
>instant death gun, destroyer of worlds has a weakness
:O You shock me anon.

>>718840759
Ah good old tranny phantom shooter. If the guy wasn't a fucking lolcow it would have been much more tragic

>>718861314
luv me bass cannon

You can tell a game's quality by how well it does shotguns. The better the game, the better the shotgun.