Thread 718863213

lying motherfucker

Doesn't matter anymore. Valor Mortis is apparently a first person souls-like

Is that an enemy on screen and is she holding a weapon? How did Hidetaka Miyazaki let them get away with this?

>>718863213 (OP)
the good ole stick and weave gameplay

>>718863213 (OP)
>Souls games invented lock on
>Souls games invented dodging
>Souls games invented 3rd person action

>>718863213 (OP)
Roll slop is taking over video games and its fucking aids

i have anti-soulslike fatigue

>>718865460
>tfw every game is actually a Zelda-like

Gonna have to blame that journo who said it was a soulslike. Poisoned the well with his comment.

>>718865634
this but unironically

I'm glad everyone is realizing they're just playing the same game with a different coat of paint now.

Boss Baby vibes

what makes a souls-like?
The pace?
The hard punish?
bonefires?

>>718863213 (OP)
>literally has Souls-like HUD shit
>literally plays like Homocoming, but even more tacticool
Yeah, they can keep making excuses all they want. It walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and taste's like a fucking duck.

>>718866628
>Souls-like HUD shit
Health and stamina?

>>718866525
Heavy focus on combat, that plays like a typical "modern" over-shoulder lock-on shit, with stamina mechanic and invincibility-frame dodge slop.

All literally the shit EVERYONE hated 15 years ago... but the generation has changed, and the Piss5 gen has been born, raised and brainwashed to consoom this sort of slop.

>>718865460
>>718865634
>>718865880
Zelda didn't invent any of those things
>But-
No.

Unsubscribed.

>>718866628
How the fuck can anyone look at this and call it Silent Hill

Silent Hill F(lop)

general:
>mario kart world price tag
>UE5
>chink studio (RE:Verse)
>japanese setting (silent hill PHENOMENON)
>horrible anime grunting/voice acting & straight out of anime characters (kitsune guy with shiny red eyes)
>otherworld is just one lame setting instead of another version of the town (with unkillable enemies)
>poor enemy design (like homecoming/downpour)
>every enemy gets introduced by screeching into the camera (like a soulsboss)
>spin-off (just a rebranded horror game)

gameplay:
>too late to fix the combat, so devs damage control by advising to play on story mode for 'the true SH experience'
>heavy combat-focus (with even more enemies than in SH2R)
>stamina bar, weapon durability gauge, sanity meter
>gacha buffs
>hit-stop on every hit (enemies don't actually react to being hit)
>teleportation-tier dodging
>no guns, only breakable melee weapons

story:
>written by ryukishi07
>main theme is "THE SOCIETAL OPPRESSION OF WOMEN"
>schoolgirl bullying drama like in 'short message' (laughable notes)
>"LOOK HOW CRUEL TEENS CAN BE TO ONE ANOTHER" (like every other ryushit07 story)
>time shenanigans / loops / evil twins

>>718865554
faggot

>>718863213 (OP)
You people can reason only in -like because you never saw a real game.

>>718867147
>devs damage control by advising to play on story mode for 'the true SH experience'
This cannot be real

>>718866628
Whats the flower meter for?

>>718866628
The enemy she's hitting not having any reaction to getting hit is the weirdest part to me. I'm not sure what they're going with here.

>>718865460
They're called Soulslikes, not Soulsinvented you hair splitting cocksucker.

>shallowly copy souls elements and slap them onto your shitty game
>defend yourself with "s-souls didn't invent lock-on!"
I guess it really is a souls clone because this is how they always deny it.

>>718867242
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrEkEZy1DyY
they are saying it several times in this video alone and in every interview

>>718866628
wow utter dogshit

i had no hype for the new silent hill game without even seeing any gameplay footage and im still let down

>>718867147
>the list keeps increasing
Based poster exposing the truth about this garbage. This 3 reasons alone is enough to say "FUCK YOU" to this game
>mario kart world price tag
>UE5
>chink studio (RE:Verse
Absolute DOGSHIT, and now they are trying to backtrack saying it's not a souls slop because they saw real fans didn't like what they are turning this franchise into shit like this anon shows in this webm >>718866628

>>718866963
Most SH """fans""" these days were not even born when SH1-4 came out, only know them through Youtube cringe videos, and only played and "loved" the SH2 de-make... which played just like this.

rollslop did not invent action games

I'm looking forward to the game but it is in no way a Silent Hill game.

>>718867993
From invented the format retarded devs are poorly aping.

>>718867902
>41%
Kek, but that's modern gamers in a nutshell these days, it's so fucking sad to see

>>718866628
Design not even good enough for monsterfuckers, sad, just really sad

>>718865460
just like Rogue didnt invent Roguelikes

>>718867902
there is no discord, forum, stream chat with actual SH fans who played the game. it's all toxic positivity brainlets who won't even touch the game, they'll just watch some streamer fag play it. and then they have the nerve to defend this trash they would never buy in the first place. subhumans

>>718866721
How's that not soulsshit gameplay?
Is that dude so naive to lie and expect people to believe him?

>>718868768
>Is that dude so naive to lie and expect people to believe him?
Yes.
And they will always, ALWAYS try to "Uhm, Axhully...!" their way around it, and spew some mental gymnastics like "This has been the default for ages! It's a standard gameplay style for a reason!! No one wants to play those OLD games!!!"

>>718868768
they clearly thought retards would eat it up. now, that nobody is buying it and everybody is hating on it, they just straight out lie to your face

>>718866628
>>718866721
Holy fuck it looks atrocious in these webms. The monsters don't even react in any way to getting hit. They even had to include a "hit indicator" in the form of a screen shake + 0.5 sec slowdown to make it feel like your weapon is having some sort of feedback.

>>718863213 (OP)
Lockon and rolling were in OOT, Megaman Legends and a shitton of other games before Souls lol.

Our girl will bring new life to the series that's been languishing since PS2

I mean its still better combat than any other SH game.

>>718869393
No. It servers no purpose, other than to "ease in" the ADHD Soulsborne zoomers, diluting the entire experience.

>>718869285
As a Dante main I approve this game.

>>718869393
Combat in the SH2 remake was decent. Way better than what we're seeing from SH f.

>>718869393
Normalfags as usual showing their lack of media literacy with silent hill.
>>718869454
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>718866721
>All literally the shit EVERYONE hated 15 years ago
source: my ass

>>718869620
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
What's wrong? Do you have any actual argument?

>>718869696
It's literally just generic Snoy moviegame style "combat".

>>718863213 (OP)
Why the fuck do people keep saying it's soulslike? I watched the trailer and it doesn't look like it at all.

>>718869780
>It's literally just generic Snoy moviegame style "combat".
Yes, which is better than combat in old SH games and whatever the fuck is happening in SH f.

>>718869687
Wrong.
Source is 4chan and SH Forums dot com.

>>718866721
Still better than RE knife only gameplay

>>718865673
It's also a combination of
>journos being so incompetent at their jobs that they call anything soulslike if there's even a hint of difficulty
>journos from every website actively collude behind the scenes in order to push the same talking points and article outlines, so when one of them says shit that's wrong they all wind up repeating the same mistake

>>718869924
Knife only is not the default, but a self-imposed challenge. Also way more impressive way to beat the game.

But at the end of day, the action-fag zoomies never give a fuck about anything else in vidya than killing shit.

>>718869780
So, better than any classic SH's combat then.

My own personal line between an action game and a soulslike is if death means I drop my xp and I have to go get it back after respawning at the most recent bonfire mechanic before I die again and lose it all

>>718869839
No.
Old silent hill combat was pretty accurate to how a scared random guy would use a pipe in a terrifying situation and showed you that you shouldn't be looking for a fight as you're not some badass warrior.
Demake James just bashes every monster to death no problem.
Normalfags don't understand Silent Hill.

>>718866628
>literally has Souls-like HUD shit
How the fuck can you look at that and think it looks like a souls ui? It's just a health and stamina bar. Might as well call it monster hunter ui.

>>718863213 (OP)
He is right albeit.

>>718867260
Rape gauge

>>718870248
It's literally from style UI. Or just souless corporate UI, if you prefer.

>>718866721
This looks so fucking bad, when I saw the (kind) cute schoolgirl character, I thought it would be more along the lines of a Clock Tower or Rule of Rose, this is pure action, are modern devs incapable of making soulful coherent games? If your character design is a schoolgirl I don't expect to be fighting hordes of monsters like Dante.

>>718870128
>Old silent hill combat was pretty accurate to how a scared random guy would use a pip

>>718863213 (OP)
Reminds more of Silent Hill 4: The Room combat but i get what you mean.

>>718870128
>>718870650

>>718868768
>Is that dude so naive to lie and expect people to believe him?
Yes. See : >>718870248

>>718863213 (OP)
He's right though, From did not invent basic action game mechanics and it's starting to get ridiculous how everybody wants to lump all third person action games into "soulslike".

>>718870628
>are modern devs incapable of making soulful coherent games?
Yes. There's a reason entire universities these days teach people to become "Unreal 5 content creators", not actual game programmers, artists, et cetera.

It's all about chasing the lowest hanging fruit:
the money of the easy-to-please casual audiences, who only consoom action sloppa.

Bros I am actually refunding my preorder... Hinako forgive me... I will still pirate it but this looks retarded. Why is there a gay ass hud alone..

>>718870650
>>718870732
Cool youtube clips. Try playing silent hill sometime.
>>718870783
From uses a very recognizable set of systems, mechanics and design decisions. Poorly copying them then trying to deny it only makes you look even more scummy.

>>718870732
this is actually kino

>>718867147
Its a decent game, you pathetic faggot

>>718870967
>Cool youtube clips.
So you have zero arguments when faced with proof that the combat in the original is fucking garbage?
>Try playing silent hill sometime.
I have, many times, hence why I am able to say that while the SH series is amazing, its combat has always been fucking terrible, to the point that I'd rather that they didn't even have any combat in the first place.

>>718871061
It's not. And your generation has seriously dropped the bar too low.

>>718871107
>still screaming about his lack of media literacy
Watching youtube videos is not playing Silent Hill.

>>718871107
Classic SH combat had simple mechanics, but it fit with the rest of the game, fighting multiple enemies or certain kind of enemies (like slurpers) meant that you were likely to take some damage, it was just in service of creating some tension due to the risk of damage and enventually death, at no point in playng these games have I ever thought about the need for iframe dodges, combos and shit, it isn't necessary for that kind of game, not every game has to be a fucking character action game.

>>718870871
no denuvo the game will be online 3 days in advance from deluxe edition dumps

>>718870871
the fucking HUD triggers me so much, wtf, we are literally going backwards in game design

>>718871061
D A M A G E
C O N T R O L

good morning, SAAR

Eileen shaving

>>718871287
>still no arguments

>>718871290
>at no point in playng these games have I ever thought about the need for iframe dodges, combos and shit, it isn't necessary for that kind of game, not every game has to be a fucking character action game.
I am not advocating for that at all either. I think there's probably some middle ground between the original SH2 combat and the SH2 remake combat that would be the sweet spot. Something in the middle that's not 100% jank, and something that's also not 100% action either.

>>718871402
>>718871156
It is, you retards just can't accept the change of setting to Japanese one.

>>718866721
>little japanese schoolgirl
>can ninja dash
Fuck off with your shitass excuses and just admit your game is just a cheap souls knockoff.

If they
a) had excluded the dodge mechanic (even just from the footage)
b) not made the lock-on reticle so visually reminiscent of Dark Souls/ER (or not present at all)
No one would have said anything

>>718865460
everything is a soulslike to a braindead zoomer

>>718871623
>strawman out of nowhere
it's not the setting alone, you subhuman faggot dickmuncher. it's everything on the list together. this game is an outsourced cash grab with a plot that doesn't belong in SH or in gaming in general.

>>718871492
>I think there's probably some middle ground between the original SH2 combat and the SH2 remake combat that would be the sweet spot
There isn't.
I am a game designer. I could write a book about the design principles of classic survival horror and this modern action-slop, but let's just keep things short and say that you won't be turning a bicycle into Tesla.

In general, it is a very frightening how often people these days devolve the conversation to be all about "muh combat", as if it should always be the #1 metric for ANY game out there. Literally nobody had an issue with classic RE and SH combat and gameplay as a whole until iPhone took normalfags online.

>>718871623
Incorrect.
I do NOT accept the shitty SH Homecoming-style "Souls lite" gameplay.

>>718871623
>change of setting
Just make something else if you don't want to make silent hill.

>>718871696
Only literal underaged zoom zooms do not recognize blatant Soulsborne slop when it hits them in the face. This is literally everything any true SH fan HATES.

>>718863213 (OP)
>>718871402
The issue isn't the dodge/parry faggotry but the literal fucking FIVE HUNDRED MILLISECOND HIT FREEZE ON EVERY ATTACK. But i don't really care because i think psychological horror is stupid and SH has always been gay as fuck.

>>718871708
The list was clearly made by a retarded faglord.It has no real arguments.
>>718871726
It is NOT a soulslike game, you fucking cretin.

>>718871771
they unironically should have called it Silent Hills f

>>718867337
"soulslike" is a 7th gen term, a derivative of a bunch or other terms and mechanics that's been in consoles gens even long before FROM went "HURRR KINGS FIELD BUT IN 3RD PERSON". Retarded fromdrones, not even once.

>>718871923
>no counterarguments so he goes "n-no u"
subhuman, kys

>>718871771
Its a Japanese game

>>718871623
Siren is a top tier horror game witth a cult following around here and it's set in Japan, fuck off.

>>718871726
>There isn't.
Why not? I think you could relatively easily have combat that feels better in terms of animations, movement, etc. while not compromising about still having a sense of feeling of "helplessness".

>as if it should always be the #1 metric for ANY game out there
Just to be clear, I am in this conversation in the first place because I don't like how the combat looks in SH f. I dislike the way the combat looks in SH f even more than the way combat is in the original SH/SH2. I'd take SH/SH2 combat over SH f combat any day, if I had to choose.

>>718871996
no, it's a chinese game (neobards)

>>718863213 (OP)
Wesley Yin-Poole is also a simp for Alyssa Mercante.

>>718871996
It's not Silent Hill.

>>718866721
the best combat system in gaming right now has ff7 remake and it has no real parry slop and no real iframes on dodges, too bad gamers are stupid and couldnt wrap their heads around it

>>718872053
>I think you could relatively easily have combat that feels better in terms of animations, movement, etc.
Yes. And SH2-3 had just that, on Hard mode.

>>718872207
>the best combat system in gaming right now has ff7 remake...
Nice bait.
That trash is one of THE worst demakes of the recent history, and a living proof that Squeernix should've just used turn-based combat instead.

>>718871693
She's Japanese they all have ninja training hardwired into their DNA

>>718872207
>the best combat system in gaming right now has ff7 remake
Which sponsored eceleb gave you that opinion?

>>718871982
Keep seething you contrarian moron

>718872571
STILL not ONE argument, waste of space

>>718872054
NeoBards Entertainment was supervised by Konami,

>>718872645
holy copium, the devs are CHINKS.

>>718871803
play more games zoomer

>>718872637
Sneed

>>718872706
So what if they are Chinese you fucking retard? The development was supervised by Konami all the way. This game was written by Japanese, and the OST was composed by Japanese.

>>718866946
What games did z-targeting before Zelda?
People often cite Megaman Legends. And I could concede on that point because Megaman Legends did its lock-on first.

However. Megaman Legends's lock-on is very different from Zelda's z-targeting, and the common lock-on of today is quite clearly taking after Zelda, and not Megaman Legends.
But if there was some other 3D game that did lock-on before either of them, and that everyone are somehow copying it. Then I'm genuinely curious. What game(s) would that be?

>>718873235
you are a fucking midwit. enjoy your cashgrab outsource garbage. not even worth talkilng to

>>718873452
If you hate that series, just admit it.

I had very low expecttions, I thought we would get some milquetoast horror game with a jap skin, but this is beyond awful.

>>718872334
the fact that it is gave me that opinion

>>718873423
Nobody gives a shit about Zelda, holy fuck stop jerking it off in a thread about silent hill
Kill yourself, r*dditor

>>718863213 (OP)
What a fucking gay timeline to live in.

>>718866721
>>718866628
I just don't get why there's SO much hitstop. It's fine to have some but this is at least double the length it should be.

>>718863213 (OP)
Yes, SH4 already had a few of these and that shit was literally 20 years ago

>>718869285
SHE'S FAST

there is literally zero soulsfatigue or anti action combat hate outside of autismo places like /v/ that as always are completely out of touch with what actual normies care about, much like the twitter and tumblr audience /v/ claims to hate

>>718863213 (OP)
Why play Silent Hill F when you could just play Siren? I am confused

>>718873950
>Nobody gives a shit about Zelda
Ok. But this is a completely different claim from >>718866946
>Zelda didn't invent any of those things

>>718873662
shiteater

>>718866628
I'm at the point where I don't care if they make an action-focused SH game if it's hood, but this just looks so fucking janky. Those hits don't even connect

>>718875407
Fuck you

>>718866628
Lol it really is not a silent hill game and they're trying to backtrack so hard.
they want that smelly casual soulslop audience so bad, also shit message this time

>>718874000
>I just don't get why there's SO much hitstop
That's what you get when you hire cheap chink devs, they cannot code, see all the blatant amaterur shit in Marvel Rivals like abilities tied to framerate.

>>718875676
lol lmao even, so mad

>>718863213 (OP)
I can't imagine being so fucking brainrotted that someone can literally tell you something to your face and you reject it.
>This shit existed before you were born
This is a true statement.
>"lying motherfucker"
What do you even mean? This is next level derangement. Do you think that someone would try to fucking hide their actual inspirations? Do you think that someone would be shy about admitting they're inspired by one of the BIGGEST FRANCHISES IN THE WORLD right now.

>>718863213 (OP)
>>718863213 (OP)
>hit wnwmy qith a stixk
>its a soulslike

>>718874458
Siren is shitty forced stealth instead of full combat kino
At least Siren 2 fixed that mostly

>>718866525
the vibes
you wouldn't get it
there are very few soulslikes and plenty of rollslop

>>718875676
>>718877319
actually that was rude. I still disagree, but I went too far

SILENT HILL HOMECOMING COPIED DARK SOULS 3 YEARS BEFORE IT CAME OUT.
THEY EVEN STOLE THE COMBAT FROM DEMON SOULS 1 YEAR BEFORE THAT WAS RELEASED.

https://youtu.be/lSenssEWDAQ?si=K16ESkz1txPLqIB2

>>718880628
Homecoming is considered one of the worst SH ever released, congrats for copying it.

>>718872274
I don't care what you think about the 7 remakes as a whole but if you think combat is the problem you're a genuine fucking retard and should never talk about anything again.

>>718863213 (OP)
>2014
>Konami assembles the following crew:
>Story: Del Toro
>Director: Kojimbo
>Monster design: Junji Ito
>They spawn a playable teaser that is bonafide one of the best horror experiences I ever had, and I've been playing for a long long time now.
>They scrap it so they can make more evonyslop.
>Le 2025: OMG SOULSHILL (F)LOP

The emotion i feel towards konami is one of pure hatred. They actually had an era- defining piece of art and they took their dick out and pissed on it, because some spreadsheet weaving degenerate had an opinion that it is more profitable to cater to the mindless npc swarms. This game just proves how fucking incapable they are. It is truly a wonder how they got to this point in the first place.

>>718880968
By puzzle fags that struggle with combat, yeah.
Otherwise it was great. Only other reason is that diehard lore fans got sissy that they threw Pyramid Head in it because they didnt like Pyramid Head becoming the mascot of the series, which is is.

>>718866628
Calling this Silent Hill was a disservice in two parts.
Confirmation they had no faith in whatever this was originally while putting it under extra scrutiny for being a supposed "Silent Hill" game.

>>718881420
Not to mention the fact that Silent Hill, as a plot device, refers to a specific geographic location that generates it's phenomena from the past sins of the various protagonist that end up there, all of which is manipulated by a mysterious gnostic cult trying to harness it's innate power for their own twisted gain.

You wanna ride the weeb wave? Make a new IP. This weebslop IS NOT Silent Hill for the aforementioned reasons.

>>718881420
best post

>>718866721
hahahaha bro it can't possibly be this bad hahahahhahahahhaha

>>718866525
Any action game that plays out like it's turn based because the enemies have super armor and their attacks can't be interrupted

>>718863213 (OP)
Hes right, its not a soulslike. That style existed before DS anyway. It does look craapy tho.

>>718882236
lmfao

>>718866721
Wtf?
Lmao.

At least Homecoming had the excuse that the protagonist is supposed to be a solider returning home for its heavy combat.
A nip schoolgirl juking a monster like that is just comical. At LEAST give her a gun instead. Make her scream and cry every time she has to use it. Could even make a mechanic of it hurting her to risk/reward using it...
This is just sad (still not Souls-like tho)

>>718871061
You don't put an 80$ price tag on a ''decent'' game you mindless cretin. It's a cashgrab, pure and simple.

>>718866628
>>718866721
Wasn't the whole appeal of these games having to dodge through the monsters because they were too strong

why is lg pusy so delicious looking bros I literally salivate when looking at it

The game is an instant 0/10 if Hinako doesn't lose her shoes and socks like the teaser trailer.

>>718882236
>playing Ninja Gaiden 2 Black last night
>fighting Elizebet
>she can randomly just be invincible whenever she wants
>only allowed to deal damage to her effectively when it's my "turn"
Guess Ninja Gaiden is also a "soulslike". Let me let you in on a little secret: all action games have "turns".

>>718867147
FPBP

>>718882961
She wasn't like that in the original Ninja Gaiden II. One of many things they fucked up in Sigma 2/2 Black.

>>718882464
No that's some stupid false bullshit thought up by people who never actually played the games. You've always been strong as fuck in Silent Hill and the enemies have always been piss easy. For fuck's sake you're a god damned terminator in SH1 and only barely weaker in SH2. It's the same shit as the old RE games where you're more than strong enough and ammo is more than plentiful enough to kill every zombie you see but stupid faggots still insist that the games are about avoiding monsters more than confronting them.

>>718883198
The point remains. There's always been both offense and defensive "turns" in action games.

>>718882464
This was never the case
SH2 is one of the easiest games ever made. You either stunlock enemies to death, or they manage to get one hit off on you, at which point you stunlock them to death. And that's with melee, once you have a gun the game is a walking simulator because you get assloads of ammunition and there's no incentive to not use it.

>>718883609
>>718883332
I see, I though that's what differentiated these games from Resident Evil because in RE you can kill every zombie if you're smart with your supplies

>>718873423
>What games did z-targeting
You do you dumb tendies call it z-targeting and not just lock on?
>But if there was some other 3D game that did lock-on before either of them
There are.

>>718866525
>what makes a souls-like?
Shitty strafe-centric lock on combat where you have no real combos or interacting moves and instead just use an i-frames button to dodge some gay spaz hitbox tracking attacks and then punish. Some form of currency or exp loss on death with a runback. Checkpoints you use to level up that also cause enemies to respawn. Stamina for all your actions.

>>718865460
How the hell did this pissant company do it? They have successfully brainwashed an entire generation at this point that they pretty much invented the modern 3D action game as we know it.

I really don't give a shit about the absolute morons in this thread arguing semantics about whether this game is or isn't a Souls like. That conversation is irrelevant. Whether it is or isn't means nothing. The only thing that matters is the conversation of does the action combat get in the way of the horror and from what I've seen so far it looks like the answer is yes. The game just doesn't look that scary cause you look way too overpowered. I hope the game has some kind of immortal enemy that you just need to run away from.

>>718872207
Haven't played Rebirth because I'll never touch another Nomura game again, but Remake's combat system was heavily flawed, especially with the objectively garbage mid fight faggot cinematics that make enemies invincible.

I don't give a shit about the combat being bad. Any chance of me playing it disappeared when they announced the hack writer.

>>718866628
what the fuck lol