Thread 718865839

Reminder that there will never be another Smash Ultimate. That includes the hype and excitement behind the announcements and how it brought people together from the whole industry regardless of if you even cared about Nintendo. Reminder to be happy this happened as it will not happen again.

>waaah waaahh goo goo gaa gaa
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>>718865839 (OP)
Good, I never cared for non-Nintendo characters in Smash Bros, fuck all of you normalniggers

>>718865839 (OP)
>30+ million sales
Retard

there's gonna be plenty of ultimates. there will never be another melee.

Reminder that the same people who don't want/don't think we'll get Ultimate Switch 2 Edition will still complain when the next Smash doesn't look like Ultimate Switch 2 Edition.

>>718866074
Good. I wanna see how desperate people get to find working CRTs in 2040

>>718865839 (OP)
Other than the Dojo back when it was Brawl, there was nothing like Smash Ultimate. It got to a point where people didn't care about anything else in a Nintendo Direct except if Smash was there for a character announcement.
>>718866007
Doesn't mean they're doing this again. Sakurai himself said doing anything like Ultimate again won't happen because of all the licensing and background agreements that need to happen..The new Smash might have a couple 3rd parties in there, but the roster overall with be WAY smaller than Ultimate and focus exponentially more on Nintendo owned IP I feel. I doubt Megaman, Cloud, Ryu, Terry, Steve from Minecraft and characters like are coming back.

>>718866357
I'd pay for DLC that kept Steve out of the game

>>718866007
Holy shit you're stupid.

Smash 3d
20 characters
Hit it

>>718865839 (OP)
Pretty much. It’s a small miracle that this game even exists what with how much it brought back and even more franchise tie-ins it was able to pull off. If there was no brand new Smash from this point, this would be a fine game for it to end on.

>>718866679
It may as well be the last one since all other Smash games will be compared to this one moving forward. Despite what people claim they want, >>718866160 is absolutely correct. The next Smash will be exactly what people who claim to not want Ultimate 2 want, but they will hate it because it's "missing something" or whatever they come up with.

I'd be fine with Smash having no other entries after Ultimate since it's feel like what Disney did with making Toy Story 4 and now Toy Story 5. Admittedly I've felt the same way about 3D Mario after Galaxy 2, but that's a different topic

>>718865839 (OP)
>Sakurai will make a sequel with less content than it's predecessor on a system where you can play the predecessor
>Sakurai will make a game that, from the get-go, will disappoint a majority of the fans of the predecessor
>Sakurai will make a game that will struggle to make half the sales of it's predecessor when he makes his pay based on sales
>When Ultimate is already the most widely purchased used game in Japan
If Nintendo makes it without Sakurai, sure. If Sakurai makes it, it will be an Ultimate 2. He is just as addicted to hype as the fans

>>718868326
I don't know. One of the reasons he went so hard for Ultimate was because he said he promised Iwata to make it the best it could ever be. Basically Ultimate was like his way of paying homage to Iwata. The new Smash won't have this AND there is almost no way he's going to get the kinds of deals he got for Ultimate a second time as fast as he was able to do them. It'll be a smaller roster with basically all Nintendo IPs, but I think he'll offer more modes to compensate and more Nintendo music to compensate.

>>718869140
Fair enough for a prediction, I just don't see them thinking more modes and Nintendo music would work as a replacement for beloved characters. A campaign is probably the most sought after mode, but he's talked about how internet spoilers ruined Subspace for him, and that dropping new character trailers (ie Mega Man, Steve, Sephiroth etc) and the ensuing reactions satisfy what he wanted from fans with Subspace.

Even if you cut all the third parties, that still leaves 60+ characters to either have to develop or cut (creating a wider character discrepancy from Ultimate), before you even get to newcomers. My most wanted characters are 1st party, but I can't think of any Nintendo characters left at this point that would get half the reaction most third parties would get, and he seems to enjoy making people wojack.

>>718866160
>no speculation on new items
Nigger Ultimate has too many items if anything I want less of them

In a perfect world, Smash 6 will reinvent the series and all the rosterfags will neatly go play Rivalsof Aether 2 mods instead of artificial-hype spamming the catalogue every time Flippy Dippydoo from a 40 Year Old RPG gets announced.

Srsly, people playing Mario vs Goku with rollback is going to sell like hotcakes

Smash is on hiatus until people are starved for a new entry that they will be willing to buy any new entry. even if it will have less cross over.
hence why Nintendo wanted Sakurai to work on something else.

>>718865839 (OP)
yeah hopefully next time we get a game that's actually fun to play instead of relying on how much you jerk off to characters. Also doesn't have as much visual bullshit and eye cancer

>>718865839 (OP)
Good. I never bought anything Nintendo related after the 3DS.

>>718870710
Ultimate was the worst on that aspect with all the epic zooming during some moves, some stages being an eyesore (this predates Ultimate though) and all the full screen or near full screen stage hazards, Pokemen and Assist Trophies

Surely the only move at this point is to have a DLC story mode exclusively for the Switch 2?

>>718870143
I'd wager that the return of a more robust campaign more similar to Subspace might actually be in the table despite the fact that you're right about what Sakurai said about the cutscenes being online and why he's doing the character reveal trailers. The single player campaign mode in Ultimate is one of the few things people rightly complain about, so him choosing to do nothing about fixing that would be a bad move I feel. Also I'm confident he has some ideas other than Break the Target, Board the Platform, and the home run sandbag game.

>>718866074
>there will never be another melee.
Good, future children will be safe from pedophiles.

>>718870143
>A campaign is probably the most sought after mode, but he's talked about how internet spoilers ruined Subspace for him, and that dropping new character trailers (ie Mega Man, Steve, Sephiroth etc) and the ensuing reactions satisfy what he wanted from fans with Subspace.
my idea was for a episodic thing that releases every so often like the updates and fighters pass, it combines both the story mode and the trailer releases, plus dropping a secret character within a story update would be pretty hype

I don't care
none of you faggots will play this game with me and whenever I try to make a lobby I just get made fun of or the thread is ignored
none of you actually care about video games, and you clearly don't care about smash or the characters that got in because none of you play the fucking game or use those characters or play the games they're from

>>718871501
It's not that Smash fans don't play Smash, it's that they only play Smash. The fact nobody wants to play with you isn't an indicator of people not playing the game, it's an indicator that you will always be alone.

>>718871501
Are you only just now realising that the roster hype season is just team sports?
It's all just an excuse for anons to gloat that THEIR characters got in, and YOURS didn't, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!

>>718871501
don't take it personally anon, I just like to play against CPUs. I could spend hours coming up with little stories and treating the roster as my virtual action figures. I'm like the kid in the Melee intro!!

>>718865839 (OP)
Ok.

>>718865839 (OP)
The game already has pretty much every character that the community was hoping for at some point (megaman, ridley, k.roll or sora for example). I mean, only certain turbo niche and autistic characters from some obscure games that only appeal to (me) would bring me hype and excitement at this point, and that's not happenign never again, i already depleted all my pandering to (me) points
>inb4 again?
yeah, it happened with Terry, i would've never expected these fags to add any SNK character

>>718872230
>it happened with Terry
You too, huh? Terry was the one that got me to pay attention to the Smash reveals big time and I bought the game. My brother has a Switch so I just played it on there. Watching his reveal and the 45 minute breakdown Sakurai gave him complete with showing off the Neo Geo (and the mini) AND the breakdown where Terry came from was fantastic. What made me sad was seeing how many people legitimately didn't know who he was. I understood, but it was sad. I was annoyed at how people didn't know Kazuya though since he's infinitely more widely known and for a game that tries to say it's a fighting game, the fact so many Smash players didn't know either of them was disheartening.

>>718872918
Also they should have never nerfed Kazuya's CPU 9. If anything they should have ran with it am made him more difficult by gave him a special level 10 difficulty in an update.

>>718872230
Im glad to see me and sakurai are not the only ones in the whole world who were excited about Terry

Incorrect. Sonic Racing CrossWorlds has quadrupled if not quintupled the hype

>>718865839 (OP)
Ultimate was a product of Nintendo dire financial positioned (remember it started development in 2015 when the Wii U was selling like shit and the 3DS was losing steam). It was not unlike a failing gacha where they collab with Persona 5 to try and get some people interested in the game (which Smash also did interestingly enough). It was basically MUGAN for that reason. A new Smash isn't going to focus on every specific fan demand and it sure as hell wont have as much licensed content. Hell, they may scrap it all together. This is basically what happened with Mario Kart World. After sales improved, there was no reason to have all these Nintendo characters in Mario Kart. Now there isn't a reason to add Master Chief and Dante when Mario's face on the box alone is enough

>>718870710
Elaborate on what "eye cancer" means, if you can

>>718873689
but the fighters pass were decided post release weren't they? thats where most of the cross overs were.
sora was discussed and decided during the game awards

>>718873660
It's not the same. Hatsune Miku racing around with PacMan isn't the same as Hatsune Mike beating the shit out of Pacman and then user her Crossworlds Super of beating him up with synchronized dance routines and singing so loudly he blows away and explodes.

>>718874060
>user
using

>>718865839 (OP)
Steve was a mistake. He never fit and nobody cares about gaycraft anymore

>>718871501
Too many trolls. Not worth the risk

>>718874282
Incorrect, Steve and Alex are in Sonic Racing CrossWorlds to great acclaim

>>718872918
>>718873527
Says a lot when the Smash community at large freaks out over just a Mii costume instead of a character that Sakurai himself has a lot of respect for

>>718874282
I think he deserved it more than Byleth. I'd have replaced Byleth with Rayman and FP1 would have been perfect.

Ok guys. If they announce a completely new smash game can we all promise we'll be super respectful and peaceful to each other when discussing its potential roster, that'd be nice

>>718874714
t. Pre-coping Genofag

>>718866160
Guy who was ready to move on ever since they announced yet another FE character.
Even though i know the roster would be better without the characters that never should have been there i still acknowledge we don't live in the best world where decisions are not based on advertisements and people don't accept mediocrity.
Fighters pass 3 is not happening, i don't expect any characters, i agree that there's too much focus on third parties and i'm sure there will be at least one assist trophy turned playable.
I hate the NASB series and cutting 50% of its roster was terrible, but i know Smash will do the same and that too will be terrible. Sakurai himself said that "Everyone Is Here!" was a one time thing yet people for some reason think it will happen again. But i know they will try to excuse it when Smash does it.
I don't know why people always act like the next Smash will always have the same content as the previous one but added onto it despite that never happening before, the only exception being 64 to Melee but that's an exception due to there being only one way up for a first sequel.
I always like item speculation.
Veterans being DLC is something i acknowledge as well and that's honestly lame.
All in all i don't even expect humanity to be around long enough for a new Smash game to start development.
But yeah, Smash fans are weird, they thought Sakurai was teasing the next Smash in his last YouTube video because he mentioned his next game had something to do with speed, despite the fact that Sakurai would never use the word "speed" to describe a Smash game so of course it was going to be a racing game. But that mostly came from Melee players desperate for Smash to be Melee again.

>>718874698
I would have gone with Dante myself, but I would have taken Rayman. After what Ubisoft's put him through these last few years, I feel like his fans should get something good

>>718866357
>It got to a point where people didn't care about anything else in a Nintendo Direct except if Smash was there for a character announcement.
This was a bad thing, a fanbase writing off every other game is not good for anyone.

>>718874781
You're getting ahead of yourself and assuming things, I don't care for Geno either way

>>718866357
I can see Mega Man, Ryu, and Terry at least coming back. Mega Man was one of the biggest third-party characters on Nintendo, and I'm sure Capcom would only let him come back if Ryu does. And as for Terry, Sakurai clearly loves him and SNK, and SNK themselves were very supportive when assessing what he could put in the game (case in point, the music selection. They just said "Yes" to all it). Obviously the only compromise there was Mai, which you could argue makes no sense now with Pyra/Mythra having jiggle physics

>>718868326
Here's the thing, Sakurai is getting older and more tired and pulling off all those characters in Ultimate, especially the 3rd parties, was a lot for him even with his dev team helping him out.
Expecting Sakurai to even try to have a sequel with more characters than Ultimate is like expecting the guy to pass out in the office.

>>718874864
Rayman in Smash would have helped revitalize him. It was instrumental in bringing Terry to the mainstream where now people can name more 1v1 fighters other than Ryu and Ken. If it could do that for Terry (even though he was very well known in the FGC, just no outside of that), it could at least give Rayman a second chance.

>>718875238
>>718866357
Surely Sonic and Bayo are a done deal

Ultimate's wave of third party picks and the overall idea that a character has to "deserve" or otherwise earn themselves a spot in a Nintendo party game has paradoxically drained all the fun and anticipation out of Smash for me.
Half of the franchises currently featured would be labeled scrimblo tier by today's standards had they not been in already

>>718875423
>Sonic came back three times in a row
>Nintendo is the only company that gives a shit about Bayo anymore
Yeah, probably

>>718875423
I think Sonic and Bayo are the only two done deals. Bayo because she can debatably now be seen as somewhat of a Nintendo IP now. The others I think are up in the air.

>>718875402
I appreciate your optimism, but let's not forget that after Banjo was revealed, Microsoft came out and said "Yeah, no, we're still not making a new Banjo game"

>>718875402
I think out of all the third-party "scrimblo" characters, Rayman has the highest likelihood of getting in since he's appeared in both Smash 4 and Ultimate already as a trophy/spirit (and also the Rabbid mii costume if you wanna count that), and Sparks of Hope's sorta-recent release. Maybe he'll finally break out of the ice on Battlefield someday? Potentially? If... Ubisoft decides to actually give him a new game?

>>718870606
Smash never really had any cross over outside of Brawl's Subspace as it's just characters fighting each other with no other interactions between them, and no, putting "OMG IT'S THING I RECOGNIZE!!!!" beside "OMG IT"S OTHER THING I RECOGNIZE!!!!" is not a cross over with any substance.

>>718875238
Mai will never appear in Smash because she shows too much skin, which is what CERO are fags about. They could cover her up like they did Pyra and Mythra but that'd be destroying her design. Her original design, not the biker outfit from City of the Flops

>>718875885
Japan doesn't care about Rayman so I doubt it. Same with Shantae, Shovel Knight, Doom Slayer, etc.

>>718870606
I think Sajurai just wanted to have a break from Smash himself and work on Kirby again.

>>718865839 (OP)
You know it's a post-Melee game when all of the nostalgia is associated with "hype behind the announcements" and not with actually playing it

>>718876068
Honestly I wouldn't even mind if the next Smash game wasn't primarily directed by him. He gets to take a break and we could see a fresh new perspective on the series

>>718876013
True, Sakurai even kinda joked about that when he spitballed Heihachi and brought up his fundoshi from Tekken 4

>>718873660
How? Why does the Smash fanbase try to tie every single game into Smash discussion?

>>718876068
he said in the direct hes making kirby because he was asked to by both nintendo and HAL

>>718866357
> Sakurai said blablabla...
No mate, here is ehat he said

>>718874028
No, the first fighter pass was decided a few days after the last Smash Direct before release and negotiations were going on before that.
Also Sora was intended for Smash 4 as he is the ballot winner but Nomura rejected Sakurai's offer because he couldn't think of a way to make Smash canon to Kingdom Hearts back then.

Which characters do you guys think actually have the highest chances of getting into the next game? Not who you personally want, just who seems likely to you.

Reminder that the next Smash is going to be cutting a lot from Ultimate in exchange for making it the exact game I have in my head that suits my specific tastes. This was confirmed by Sakurai who said exactly this but don't ask me for a source.

>>718866357
>Sakurai himself said doing anything like Ultimate again won't happen because of all the licensing and background agreements that need to happen.
When did he say that? I keep watching this every thread, when he said that? Could you link me a video, an article, anything?

>>718876252
Well then i am mistaken, i didn't watch that Direct so i apologize for my ignorance.

>>718874028
They started the process around when Ultimate entered development. I don't have the link but Steve was planned pretty far back

>>718876505
>Sora was intended for Smash 4 as he is the ballot winner but Nomura rejected Sakurai's offer because he couldn't think of a way to make Smash canon to Kingdom Hearts back then.
nomura said this about smash ults DLC, not smash 4's
https://gameinformer.com/exclusive-interview/2022/06/14/nomura-reveals-more-on-kingdom-hearts-iv-and-the-series-future-with

>>718876239
retard tripfag

Hmmm

>>718876516
luigi

>>718876516
Frisk or Kris. Toby Fox games are really successful in Japan.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/12/a-new-smash-bros-would-need-a-smaller-roster-admits-sakurai#:~:text=As%20for%20me%2C%20the%20amount,else%20have%20share%20that%20feeling?

In terms of what's next for the series it's evident that Sakurai-san and Nintendo are yet to truly outline a plan, but what's clear is that the scope of the game may need to shrink, and the creative process will need to change to share the burden.

I think we’ve reached the limit, at least in terms of volume of content and fighters. Basically, if I were to have the opportunity to work on another Super Smash Bros. game, that means we would have to shrink the roster, but we need to think about whether fans would be pleased about that.

Also, I’ve been doing too much of the work myself, so I’d need to resolve that, too. The current Super Smash Bros. has too much of my personality poured into it. In order for a long-time series to continue thriving today, we need to think about eliminating the series’ dependence on just one person’s vision.

Of course, this is the way it is now because we weren’t successful in splitting the vision between multiple people before. This would be a challenge for the future and something that needs to be discussed with Nintendo, if there were to be a next installment in the Super Smash Bros. series.

>>718876290
>>718876568
https://sourcegaming.info/2018/07/02/smash_special_complete/
However, I think that “Everyone is here!” is something that won’t be repeated. Anything is possible, of course, so I can’t rule anything out entirely, but I still think this won’t happen again.

>>718876953
Well it's still safe to assume that Sakurai still tried to get Sora for Smash 4.

>>718871501
I still play Ultimate online and the netcode sucks ass to have at least weekend lobbies.

I hope jigglypuff doesn't come back.
>muh original 12
She was on the chopping block for both Melee and Brawl.

>>718877305
Honestly I’d love an Undertale/Deltarune rep not just because I like the games but also because in general I just really want an indie game character on the roster

>>718876516
Bandanna Waddle Dee, Air Riders shows that Soccer Guy's finally starting to get over his autism over Kirby content not made by him and he outright shows has him debut with the main trio, seemingly acknowledging it as a quartet

>>718865839 (OP)
They should just treat ultimate like they treated mario kart 8 untill world.
Port it, update it a bit, add some maps maybe a couple of characters and coast.
There just too much shit in ultimate to try and directly compete with it

>>718878317
>Kirby content not made by him
…but Bandana Dee’s first appearance was in Super Star

>>718877426
Thanks, I couldn't find the source.
Thing is, if the next Smash game has less characters they need to make it worth it, either with a lot of new characters replacing the missing ones or with a big change that makes it worth because you can play Ultimate on the Switch 2. They did that with Mario Kart World, the game is very different from 8 because otherwise it would be 8 with less stuff, but the game has costumes, new mechanics and an open world to make it very different.
They also could make a "Switch 2 version" of Ultimate and keep making characters, I would buy that, but I don't know if they could legally do it.

>>718877406
Cool, so the new Smash is confirmed to be worse than Ultimate for sure and Brawl if they can't get the single player right.

>>718877845
Smash fans focus too much on original 12. Most fighting games don't follow a rule like that.

>>718878456
people say sakurai has a strong bias against adding what he didnt make, but i feel its just more so he prefers adding in new franchises rather than new content from old ones, unless there is a push for it (either from nintendo asking or from the smash ballot directly telling Sakurai what people want.).
FE and PKMN is an exception because each entry almost stands on its own, xenoblade is likely to end up the same.

>>718879078
the thought of a Smash game without Ness or Falcon just doesn’t feel right man

>>718865839 (OP)
I've been saying this for years. People don't appreciate this game enough. In 20 years people will finally realize what they had. SSBU is one of my top 20 favorite games ever made.

>>718878456
BWD debuted there but he wasn't really a character back then, just an npc for the first 10 seconds of a 2 minute long mini game, not any different than the other recolored enemies from Megaton Punch. He didn't really get established as character until SSU's Revenge of the King, which was made years after Sakurai left HAL. It's basically a similar situation as Pit and Palutena with how people consider them Sakurai's characters despite the fact that he had nothing to do with their creation.

>Reminder that there will never be another Smash Ultimate.
Thank fucking God for that.
Smash Ultimate is fucking garbage and it is so unbelievably shitty that it single handedly killed any love I had for the series. Blackpilled me into considering the whole series as washed up trash.

>>718865839 (OP)
It was fucking dogshit.
>b-but it had 2390 characters!!!!!
And the gameplay blows ass who cares.

I think it is possible to shuffle up some things about the roster without making it feel like much has been lost.

>>718882203
Doing something along these lines would be ideal, but the main issues are licensing costs and such for having lots of 3rd parties being a huge hassle, as well as how much time, money, and effort would have to be poured into making another giant roster in general, even without 3rd parties. As much as I and probably most others would like to see this, I personally feel the franchise really needs a soft reboot/revamp to not have it get stale, and so Sakurai could either get a break or at least not overexert himself again.

>>718865839 (OP)
It's funny how for all of that "cultural phenomenon" shit, Ultimate really doesn't have any staying power outside of the default that is "current Smash game"

>>718881375
you might not be wrong. At the very least it really hammered home that the number of characters has almost no impact on how good or enjoyable a game is

>>718879078
Smash has always tried to bring fighters back. I can understand the point of it. If you've played a character since 64, its nice they are still around. But I would agree. We don't need Jigglypuff back. The one I'm not sure about is Ness since there hasn't been an Earthbound game and there never will be another one, so it's just using the same game over and over for any new content.

>>718883389
That's every new smash game

>>718876516
Waluigi, Bandana Waddle Dee, Pauline, Ring Fit Trainer, Rex, Tom Nook, Sylux

>>718883389
i feel that's all games now, if it isn't a continuously expanding experience like your CS:GOs or your fortnites, people dont care about the game at all. Its even worse for single player games as they get forgotten in a week of release.
>>718883426
id like jigglypuff to stay because honestly the other playable pokemon are pretty boring picks, its all furries and starters and starter furries. and their movesets dont feel to great to play either, the only one i enjoyed playing as was incineroar which was surprising for me because i hate his design.