Thread 718880562

The end is near /v/. You should upgrade you battlestation.

Should I? News articles are even worse than going from 7 to 10. A lot more bricking systems.

>>718880562 (OP)
Already did, years ago
https://endeavouros.com/

>macbook
>steam deck
yep, it's gaming time

>>718880562 (OP)
Gonna just use linux. I'd use 11 but microsoft wont stop being weird/creepy and spying on motherfuckers.
Creepy ass bastards. Fuck it thats what you get when an indian gets put in charge.

>>718880624
what's the point of using any of those fringe ass distros? just use ubuntu like a normal person if you wanna use linux for whatever reason.

>>718880694
tpbp

Was any other Windows update this aggressive when support was ending for the old version? It feels like Microsoft is practically threatening us now

>>718880948
did you just miss them trying to forcibly install windows 10 like malware or what

>>718880562 (OP)
It is, good thing I've been on Windows 11 for about 1 year now ladie

>>718880948
They threw a giant shitfit over netbooks back in the day in an attempt to kill continued XP use (vista was literally too bloated to work on them)

>>718880562 (OP)
Oh no, I'm not going to get super duper useful updatorinoes any more???
Aw crud!

>>718880948
Nope
But in win10 case they are putting those win 11 'flyers' right after you boot up your computer, asking for you to update your os to win11 or keep win 10, a few weeks later they will be giving you the same windows 11 installation 'option' at the same time.

>>718880765
Because you're on the /v/ board, which is dedicated to discussing videogames, and despite what you might think, there are, in fact, people who play videogames on /v/. Ubuntu (and other debian based distros) suck for playing videogames because the packages are from roughly the time Jesus was alive. Older packages means newer games and hardware relying on newer optimizations and features won't work well.

>>718880717

It is pretty fucking gay but you can easily disable all of the telemetry faggotry either manually or even easier with winaerotweaker to de-fuck it all and make the OS pretty much the same as Win10.

>>718880948
>install w11
>it takes up 8gb ram

>>718880562 (OP)
I'll just use W10 LTSC thank you very much

Here's mine kek

>>718881475
if you want performance, play the game on windows since that's what most games were literally programmed for.

>b-b-b-but hecking open source is like good or privacy or something!!
play video games

>>718880562 (OP)
I haven't updated anthing since what... 3-4 years ? No windows update, no drivers,no bios...nothing
And it still works fine

>>718880562 (OP)
thats the worst display i ever seen for a cinema

>>718881590
that ikea linnmon is eventually going to snap due to that weight you moron you can see its already curving, its rated at like a max weight of 10kg or something in a single spot because its basically a thin sheet with a hollow inside with some cardboard holding it together those crts probably weigh much more than 10kg + your other 2 monitors

>>718880562 (OP)
Fine let me update to 11, geez
>https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/08/20/microsoft-is-investigating-windows-11-kb5063878-ssd-data-corruption-failure-issue/
FUCK

>>718880562 (OP)
I don't understand what happens if you don't upgrade.

>>718884980
literally nothing
in 15-20 years most applications will be written for the latest version of Windows and no longer compatible with W10, that's all

>>718881489
How about i dont fix microdicks bullshit for the smelly indian and just use linux instead?

>>718884612
You know what, in my ignorance, I didn't even realize that. Thank you, anon. I value very much my CRTs and that could've ended fucking horribly for me. The 2 monitors and CRT on the left. How the fuck did I not realize this? I owe you a drink.

>Microsoft pushes an update to 11 that permanently corrupts SSDs
10 4eva baybee

>>718885250
I removed the 2 monitors and CRT on the left*

>>718881475
>says this when valve themselves recommended Ubuntu & manjaro which made linux sissies shit & piss themselves & cry like rabid mutts
Lol

>>718881771
>use windows
Windows 11 is literally the most bloated piece of shit user unfriendly "iteration" of the Windows OS. Windows 8 is fucking buttery smooth in both performance and usage compared to 11 and I fucking hate 8 more than I hated Vista.

>>718880562 (OP)

No, i don´t think i will. Not until software i use demands it and, honestly, at that point i may even just switch to Linux. The "windows will spy on you just to make sure that if something goes wrong you are able to go back" thing lost me. I swear to god, these fuckers would go full service model if they could.

>>718885443
if you're not a broke thirdie, you're able to afford a proper pc and wont need to maximize your fps by using some fucking retard tinker OS just to reach 60 fps.

>>718880562 (OP)
For me, it's Arch

>>718885680
if you make that kind of argument, surely you have a threadripper with a 5090 right

>>718880765
"Normal persons" use steamOS that is basically arch.
So if you want to be with the majority, you should be as close as possible to steamOS.

>>718886294
no i have a pretty average 1k pc with a 4060 and never had any problems with performance. maybe you're just retarded and dont know how to use a computer, so you make irrational decisions like changing your os, thinking that that will fix your issue, but it wont. retardation is permanent.

>>718880562 (OP)
>WIN11 is so shit even movie theaters are still using 10

>>718880562 (OP)
It's time to move to any GNU/Linux distro and install Steam.

>>718884980
Eventually you'll unknowingly be part of a botnet. In this case just go over to Linux rather then risk an exploit.

>>718880694
is gaming on mac viable yet?

>>718880948
They did the exact same shit with windows 10. i don't know why retards are suddenly surprised by this. everyone also fucking hated 10 when it came out so it's hilarious to watch everyone now defend it.

>>718886774
since when was windows ever secure?

>>718886750
My laptop has arch but i'm not putting that shit on my main PC.

>>718886807
Unironically? XP and/or 7

Does 8bitdo pro 3 have a good dpad? Please respond

>>718880562 (OP)
Retard here - Why do I have to upgrade if they're ending support? It's not like they're rendering PCs that still run on 10 inoperable if they can't upgrade.

I've had the same PC in my basement for 15 years that continues to Just Werk as a family computer.

>>718880562 (OP)
Just install LTSC they have support until 2032

>>718885680
>SAAAAAR YOUR PC IS SHIT SAAAAAR
>SAAAAAR INSTALL THE BLOATED OS
Literal sci-fi leaps in computing power made redundant because jeets can't optimise especially when faced with an abundance of computing power. Go download Macromedia Flash 8 and see how smooth it is compared to Adobe Animate.

>>718886793
Mac is horrible. unironically worse than Windows in most aspects.

>>718887307
Because vulnerabilities will be eventually found and your PC will not be safe if you connect to the Internet. Security updates are important

>>718887396
grim. im not in a rush but i might switch to a macbook at some point for portability and im likely gonna have to bootcamp windows or linux on that thing.

>>718887537
You can't windows with apple silicon macs.
You can linux but it's garbage for now.

>>718880562 (OP)
Windows 10 IoT LTSC doesn't have this problem.

>>718887396
Nah, as an overall OS Mac is far and above better than Windows at just about anything other than games. They're also not shoving AI shit down every orifice of it. The only reason I don't use it is because a big part of my PC use is gaming and well I guess I'll just take it in the ass for that right now.

>>718887613
oh fuck i didn't even think about that. i just assumed that windows could see it as arm and somehow go windows-arm mode. im doomed. i guess i'll just stick with my original plan of a surface pro since i can draw on that too.

https://massgrave.dev/
Use the tsforge option for support until 2028

>>718880562 (OP)
I just "upgraded" my main gaming to rig to W10 last year. I miss W7 so much ;_;

>>718886632
>no i have a pretty average 1k pc with a 4060
POOOOOOOR lmao

>>718880562 (OP)
Some jackass was crying that I wasn't telling people to just sign up for Extended Service Updates instead switching to LTSC. So I did some research on it. I will not be recommending people do that. You have to have microsoft account or you have to pay microsoft 30 dollars. ESU only extends updates for ONE year. I would rather recommend people literally do nothing and forego updates then do either of these. If you intend to stay on windows 10. You should switch to enterprise LTSC, IOT version is slightly smaller if you care about performance install that one. Activate it with massgrave, don't give microsoft anything.

>>718888642
it was my first build so i didnt wanna go all out. it's not as if any game needs anything more than a 4060 anyways. im sure you built your own as well and it was probably more expensive than mine, right? ;)

>>718886793
https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/M1_compatible_games_master_list

>1080 drivers will stop seeing updates
Guess I really do need to upgrade. Damn

>>718881497
>now I only have 120GB left
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC iso
https://archive.org/details/Windows10EnterpriseLTSC202164Bit

>>718880562 (OP)
I did. From Win7 to Win10.

>>718886794
The average /v/ anon is in their early 20s. The anons defending Win10 were literally children when the OS came out. We're the old men, Ace.

>>718880948
To be so young you don't remember Windows 10 installing itself when you weren't looking. Joy.

>>718887307
Just keep your third party security programs running and updated, don't go to weird obscure sites and you'll be fine. Security concerns are overblown by mouthbreathing retards who think Windows Defender of all fucking things is the be-all-end-all of PC security. The internet is pretty safe these days. If you switch over to IoT LTSC assuming you haven't already, you'll be good until 2032.

All that said, Nvidia and I think AMD are ending driver support next year, so that will be a concern sooner than later, but this is mostly an issue if you're keeping up with new releases or play live service games. A good workaround is to buy another drive and dualboot the computer, that way you can switch between setups at will. Give it a few years and 11 will get a stripped down version intended for businesses and we'll get our hands on that.

unc:
https://files.catbox.moe/0315ae.jpg
>>718880624
I heartily endorse Endeavour, it's been treating me well ever since I hopped on early this year. Mint is good for getting your feet wet, but if you're trying to get more out of your computer than basic web browsing and office apps, I'd recommend trying Endeavour.

>>718891140
You have good taste in keyboards. Could use a numberpad though.

I like how 11 had an update out IIRC nearly a year ago that causes some games to just freeze the whole system, IIRC something to do with CPU, and it still isn't fixed

>>718891349
Thanks. I have a Keychron macropad I sometimes keep out to the left, especially when writing. I've recently come to realize that having a numpad on the right is counterintuitive to having the mouse also on the right. I'd absolutely buy a southpaw F104 in a heartbeat, but there's understandably no way in hell Ellipse would ever remotely consider that.
>>718891925
It's amazing how every day only makes me more and more thankful that I finally drew a line in the sand with Windows. Second-richest company, everyone. and lol at apple abruptly sliding down a couple ranks

>>718892108
Microsoft's "growth" these days, along with too many companies to list, is coming from cost cutting measures. It's bureaucratic contraction.

steamOS needs to allow me to play BF6 then ill switch to it

>>718892246
There is a magic imaginary number created by boomers that rule all the stock market companies.
growth means this number go up, regardless of what happens in real life.
If a space colony falls on the continent and wipe out the company, but the number go up, then it's ok and more space colonies should drop.

>>718890089
Can I just save this on a USB and it'll work forever or does that get updated somehow periodically in the link?

>>718880562 (OP)
LTSC doesn't, 11trannies

>>718892590
Get a series S to play it.
Kernel level anti cheat is a massive security flaw that has been exploited in a few cases already:
https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/
Not being a penguin or anything, if anything, windows is better than linux at this as linux still use drivers on the kernel.

>>718892729
>Kernel level anti cheat is a massive security flaw that has been exploited in a few cases already:
yes my chinese compatriot

>>718892663
First 2 sections of the OP

>>>/g/106330523

>>718892615
You can't fool me, Char.

>>718892729
yeah thats cool but what im saying is SteamOS should give you the option to allow it or not

>>718892807
based fa/g/got cunnyposters

I haven't had a working computer since 2017

>>718892967
die, phoneposter

>>718892868
The problem is that many anti-cheat programs, specially the one used by valorant actually replace windows calls by it's own, and it's pretty hard to allow you to replace windows components on linux, in the valorant case, you would have to literally replace the linux memory manager by the windows one.

>>718892838
Do i need to remember you where collective should and massive spiders are?

going to settle for linux mint for important stuff+windows 10 drive for gayming

>>718892776
I don't feel like giving you a massive lesson on protected mode and shitty programmers and all that, but the tl'dr is that when programs do retarded shit on user mode, the CPU just don't do it and snitch to the kernel, but when it happens on the kernel mode, it's your machine that gets fucked.
Also the windows kernel was tested by literally billions, while the anti-cheat is being tested by (you).

>>718887307
Don't listen to this man >>718887498
Always ignore and disable updates, if a flaw is big enough to be a threat there will always be a third party patch somewhere.

Who cares about updates?

>>718880562 (OP)
I don't want to go

>>718880562 (OP)
>Windows 11
>latest security patch bricks all forms of harddrives.

no thankyou.

>>718894061
>>>/g/106330523 , fren

>>718880948
7 to 10 had literal pajeet shill teams scouring the internet, looking for talk of Windows 7 so they could say "Good morning saar have you done the needful for windows 10 pls post prof and verification no beebee duck." and this shill campaign lasted for months and still didn't really move the needle on it.

Expect the same brown-feet posting about "Baby duck" when October hits.

>>718880612
Just bite the bullet and install Mint. 99% of games get about the same FPS or in some cases better than on Windows.

Still on Windows 7 with my 2008-ass refurbished office computer
Only thing I play that stopped working was newer updates of Minecraft, but I can still play 1.16.

>>718891925
That's nothing, a week ago it had an update that caused a random subset of SSDs to just kill themselves, and you can't even elect not to install it because it's just pushed to you unless you do all the schizo shit to avoid it.

>>718887307
you will redeem windows 12. SIRS.

>>718880562 (OP)
>Imagine using any windows after 7

>>718895087
>and you can't even elect not to install it because it's just pushed

jeets

>>718895087
I'm worried about how expediently they'll bother to address the SSD issue desu

>>718895087
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_update_blocker.html

>>718895084
i upgraded my 12 years pc to new one last year
still on win7

>>718880948
Dude i literally woke up one day with W10 installed

>>718880562 (OP)
lmao

>>718880562 (OP)
>The end is near
No, it's not

>>718880562 (OP)
I already run Linux so no worries here.

Whole lot of baby ducks in this thread

>>718893724
What?

>>718896954
saar baby duck don't eat the good cow manure like us brahmin saar

>>718896954
Browbeating isn't the way

>>718896954
>>>/g/

>>718881771
>if you want performance install windows 11
does your lobotomy scar hurt in the cold?

>>718897357
>windows 11
10 IoT is right there. 10 Pro gets updates until 2027.

>>718880948
Yes when windows forcibly upgraded win 7 users to 8 if they kept ignoring the upgrade prompts for a year, I had to go to /g/ and find some shit to disable it.

>>718886794
I don't like changing operating systems, nobody does. But I'll get used to it eventually, even if I need to disable a ton of shit or install other stuff to make it feel like the previous one. Thing is, I don't want to go through that any more than I have to. By going from 10 -> 12 whenever it comes out, I can avoid Microsoft shoving 12 down my throat in a couple years the same way they're doing 11 now and only have to upgrade once.

Just turn off TPM and it will never ask you to upgrade

>>718897674
My nigger in christ, Win12 is going to be jeetmaxxed AIslop. It'll be actual years until we get an LTSC version of it worth using.

>>718886562
This is actually true. Non-enterprise Linux users quintupled in number just from Steam Deck alone, completely unprecedented since the kernel's inception but more importantly this now establishes what people are going to expect from any Linux distro from now on. They want Steam out the box, they want their programs to just werk when they install them, and it needs to be as braindead simple in usage as Windows where the user doesn't need to actually worry about not being able to use their basic, rudimentary items like bluetooth or USB gaming mice because the OS didn't install the correct drivers for them.

>>718897674
Or just use LTSC now and not give a shit until Windows 14 or until Valve fixes SteamOS

>>718898138
It does make me wonder why Gabe hasn't gone and dedicated full development on a fully functional, downloadable and supported SteamOS for PC. As you said, if the OS was easy to install, easy to configure and let you do everything Windows does without the need of being tied to Microsoft's pajeet bullshit, it would easily become the next best OS to use. Linux just needs to "just werk" for people to really be interested in doing the switch.

>>718898331
anon really thinks windows will have a 14th iteration of its OS and not be run down to illerevancy by pajeets from bottom to the highest cowdung pooler

>>718898420
>It does make me wonder why Gabe hasn't gone and dedicated full development on a fully functional, downloadable and supported SteamOS

because he wants to sell more steam decks and begin selling steam machines again

>>718898331
There's nothing to fix, it's a tard proof Arch with late packages for handhelds, not a desktop distro. Just use any of the reputable Arch forks like Cachy or Endeavour.

>>718898532
>drowned in shit
A baffling people

>>718897198
There's more to gain than lose if a space colony falls on autralia.

>>718881489
>run debloat scripts that remove the telemetry
>rerun them after an update
>compatibility telemetry service still runs

>updating
lol

>>718898420
>It does make me wonder why Gabe hasn't gone and dedicated full development on a fully functional, downloadable and supported SteamOS for PC
They did, all the old versions before Steam Deck were like this. It lacked all the things that makes the current SteamOS work, namely Proton and SteamOS specific settings that activate when playing in gaming mode. You actually could install the current SteamOS on any PC, it's just not going to be as optimized because it's specific to the Steam Deck hardware.

>>718880562 (OP)
I'll only upgrade when newer games that I actually want to play require it

>>718881590
>No 5th leg to account for shelf sag and load-bearing weight
I hope you stole that from reddit and don't actually have that setup yourself.

>>718880562 (OP)
LTSC still good till 2030, don't think I will.

>>718880562 (OP)
Already got linux on every machine in the house. Transition finished for ever.

>>718880562 (OP)
I will only upgrade when browsers and games stop supporting 10, and it'll be to Linux. I've been using it on my laptop for a while so I'm getting used, Microsoft can go fuck themselves.

>>718897674
>>718886794
It would be different if there were marked improvements of any kind. The jump from 7 to 8.1, as fuckawful as Metro was, the Virtual Memory Manager genuinely made things a lot faster and it was much more secure as an operating system.
The jump from 8 to 10 was a marked improvement over 8 even if both of them sucked rocks compared to 7. That VMM helped performance in every game even if the user experience was shit.

There are zero benefits going from 10 to 11. None. Zero. All it is are dirty pajeets screaming that I have to upgrade right now despite not providing a single benefit 11 has. Worse, 11 continues to prove that the act of using users as QA testers is a load of shit that only damages our computers and ruins performance. We can't just choose to be on a stable version, the shit pushed to our computers IS the stable version. It's objectively worse than 10 in every way.

Windows LTSC service ends in 2032 and I think by that point, I'll be more worried about anti-white death squads stalking the canadian favelas than switching to a new OS

>>718880948
They were installing forcibly installing 10 on some PCs with 7, depending on your settings. Also ads on your desktop, also depending on your settings. The thing is, people told them to fuck off and they extended the support for a while. I bet it'll be the same, about half the market is still on 10, and mostly getting on 11 are new purchases. Some people can't even upgrade due to their retarded requirements.

>>718885171
then you just won’t be able to play your games because they won’t work lmao

>>718881771
10 has better gaming performance, also AMD GPUs perform better under Linux. No reason to go 11.

>>718899587
and going even further back, I remember people not wanting to leave XP and go to 7, and for good reason: Vista as an operating system was a piece of shit. Nobody liked it. People were intentionally downgrading back to XP to escape Vista, it was the second time Microsoft well and truly burned everyone on updates and updating.

I say second time, first time was Windows ME

>>718887498
Don't open shady files someone emails you and don't be the 1 guy in a trillion online users that some hacker decides to target specifically because... because they just will!

>>718899587
Sometimes games on goypass outright freeze on win10. Nothing I could do but hit the reset button kind of freeze too.

Turned out upgrading to win11 was the nuclear option

>>718900419
>games on goypass outright freeze on win10
werks on my musheen

>>718899862
>I remember people not wanting to leave XP and go to 7
that was me
i still remember that after some time tried manually sort files in win7 and couldn't, in xp you could move foles and folders around and sort their order manually

>>718880562 (OP)
I only care about emulators. If they start requiring Windows 11, I guess I'll install LTSC 2024. Otherwise I don't see any practical reason for it.

>>718900582
>remember that after some time tried manually sort files in win7 and couldn't

did you uncheck the auto arrange files option in W7?

>>718899697
>mostly getting on 11 are new purchases
you cant even buy pc with win10 anymore in uk, all come with preinstalled w11

>>718881497
No it doesn't. No that's not how RAM works either.

>>718900662
dont have that option

>>718900662
i mean in folders, not on desktop

>>718900959
windows 7 absolutely has that option in the desktop right click menu

well shit

>>718901047
yes but I mean in folders
you could rearrange them in folders in xp but not in win7

>>718880562 (OP)
I don't even want to do it on my work laptop and it's getting blocked in 5 days if I don't do it

>>718886793
No, especially not with Apple breaking back comp (they have reasonable reasons but dumb for anyone with games).

>>718901117
just upgrade to ltsc, anon

>>>/g/106330523

I shan't be upgrading

>>718901186
Will it still be possible to install 10 LTSC after October 14? I want to buy a new computer when the 5000 Super series comes out, but want to stick with Windows 10

>>718901437
Yes

>>718901429
how is steam?

>>718901437
They're not going to shut down the activation server, so yes

>>718880948
lets not forget all of a sudden games "needing" windows 10 to work, soon it will be a windows 11 requirement, M$ dosh knows no bounds

>>718901527
>>718901548
Nice, danke

>>718901545
let me open it and find out
t. consolefag

>>718886793
LOL

>>718901437
no anon, the bill gates in person will jump out from teleport and prevent you installing it

I hate how every new iteration of Windows runs slower and slower. Why does an OS need such a beefy PC?

>>718899697
For volume licensing, the price for extended support is $61, then $122 the next year, then $244 the 3rd and supposedly final year.
I think this will drive a lot of IT departments to make the switch, it can add up quickly and management won't like it. You can kind of see this when looking at adoption charts, there is a significant increase this year.

>>718901186
>Upgrading to IoT LTSC 22H2
what is Internet of Things even, is this gonna be real LTSC?

>>718901545
>games no longer update
A breath of fresh air I must say. All of you are out there playing games made by people who hate you.

>>718901545
what do you want me to check?

>>718901629
>bill gates in person will jump out from teleport and prevent you installing it
Good, then we have a way to trap and kill him

>>718901692
>what is Internet of Things
It's Windows for hospital monitors, ATMs, and Scada systems. It's even better than standard LTSC because Microsoft touches it even less and it's support is even longer (active support until 2032)

>>718886793
Not really and not very

>>718901702
can you update or download games on win7 legacy client
>>718901701
actually, with Vxkex you can install updated steam to win10 version and download games and updates, some games that not work on win7 also work with it(but only these that actually don't need dx12)

>>718901846
>can you update or download games on win7 legacy client
I'll try it with picrel, let me check.

>>718880562 (OP)
I will never turn on "secure" boot or TPM. This is my PC, not microsoft's and I will decide what runs on it, not them.

>>718901905
some games may still work if they use older donloader, the new steam repackanig fuck with win7

>>718901792
will check it out then, tysm Anon

>>718898420
>It does make me wonder why Gabe hasn't gone and dedicated full development on a fully functional, downloadable and supported SteamOS for PC.
it makes them next to no additional money to do this unless they charge for the OS.

whats the best method of upgrading to W11 that reduces bloat and shitty features without actually fucking up the core OS and causing problems down the line? I was thinking of using the Schneegans thing.

>>718902035
>whats the best method of upgrading to W11
IOT 2024

>>718902025
I really don't think anybody would mind buying an OS from ol Gabe, the issue is getting hardware to support it decently, as has been the case for Linux for the last 30 years. The actual reason he hasn't done it is because Valve's corporate hierarchy is flat and he doesn't press his employees to do anything, they have infinite money to do whatever the fuck they want otherwise.

>>718902035
>upgrading to W11

>>718901905
I guess it works fine

>>718880562 (OP)
Not my problem.

>>718902127
the question is why would anyone pay for a Steam os when Fedora, mint, Manjaro, etc etc, are all free. I guess normies really are that fucking lazy and just want things to work without ever having to think about how they work but man, i started using fedora less than a month ago and i can basically play anything i need to with proton now.

>>718902894
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has the degree in computer science necessary to operate linux

>>718902954
i dont have a comp sci degree, im a retard, a literal blonde retard. if i can figure out how to use fedora+kde plasma, normies can figure out how to use mint or pop!os.

>>718902894
>nobody would ever buy a Linux distro!!!
the utter newfag confidence to say some extremely dumb shit like this is astounding

>>718901846
I can also download my library just fine. Browsing the store is kinda broken but I figure I have enough anyway. Finally getting through my backlog.

>>718902127
All gabe has to do is call up John Nvidia and Amy AMD and driver support for Linux would be fixed overnight but for some reason he doesn't do that

Create a tiny11 iso. It ripps out everything bad and use Chris Titus win tool to install and tweak as well as open shell.
Leaves you with a performant windows install that is good for gaming.

nibba

>>718902035
>>718904375

>>718880562 (OP)
Haven't updated it since 2021 and don't intend to. I use proprietary antivirus software and COMMON SENSE(tm). Haven't been pozzed once and network attacks were blocked by my antivirus. I also have a windows 7 PC too that I use occasionally. Scan your traffic with wireshark, always use personal routers, don't update anything unless something breaks or there are major security flaws. "Support" is irrelevant.

>>718903773
Even Gabe could not sort out that mess of bullshit the trannys and jeets have done to Linux audio.
>Plug in DAC
>Linux just fucking has a heart attack

what's the name of that W10 debloater? does it exist for W11 yet?

>>718880562 (OP)
You're right, that's why I'm on Linux Mint.

>>718905195
Windhawk + Christ Titus' Tool + shutup10 & appbuster

>>718904735
>Haven't updated it since 2021 and don't intend to
windows has broken your mind. an antivirus is not enough, it might catch threats, it might not.

>>718905605
>an antivirus is not enough
>because I say so
No, I think winshill propaganda has broken yours. It obviously comes with its own firewall too.

>>718905397
>linux is too complicated
>jump through these 10 hoops to make windows usable
always bewildering, install bazzite /v/aggots

>>718905676
windows updates more than just the firewall and its antivirus, it also closes security vulnerabilities and privileges escalations that you really don't want viruses to do. if the virus gets root for example it could very easily nuke your proprietary anti virus.

>>718880562 (OP)
Surely the state should be stepping in and telling microsoft they can't just fuck everybody right?

>>718880562 (OP)
already did my web browser keeps freezing fuck you at 11

>>718905828
maintaining and developing two different OSes is a huge cost for everyone involved. even if microsoft wanted to keep supporting windows 10, and they are actually doing it till 2032, everyone else is going to drop support for windows 10 long before that, starting with nvidia next year.

>>718905828
>he doesn't know
Microsoft is even tamer today than it was in the 90s when Bill Gates was going around buying out anyone remotely tech related to get rid of the competition. The USG doesn't give a fuck because it means US dominance in tech.

>>718905796
If

>>718906049
>tamer
Now they will just kill you if they want something you have. Just because there's no criminal process doesn't mean there's no crime because Microsoft is above the law. They defunded the US tax investigation office via lobbying to prevent themselves from being investigated for tax evasion.

>>718905676
>using Pro and refusing all updates instead of using IoT LTSC 2021 and only getting security updates
Peak retard

Programs don't need support. Support is what makes them stop working.

>>718906075
it's not an if when your windows installation isn't updated; you're basically banking on your anti virus catching the virus before it can do anything nefarious.
security works best in layers and you removed one of your security layer from the equation. that doesn't mean you'll get a virus tomorrow, that does mean you are more vulnerable to attacks.

How do I do a complete clean install from windows 10 to windows 11?

I hate updates because it always keeps space occupied everywhere

>>718880948
i sat on 7 for years and only pirated 10 like 2 years ago

>>718906410
get windows 11 on a usb, boot on the usb, delete your partitions from the installer and install windows 11.

>>718886793
I busted a gut when I learned tf2 was no longer compatible with mac, lmao

>>718906331
He's a retard who's too stupid and lazy to just install IoT LTSC 2021
Here are some of the vulnerabilities patched with this month's update by the way

>>718899697
>about half the market is still on 10,
vast majority of the market is still on 10 lmao

>>718906471
will it remember my license?

And I also will have to log in to every website again right?

>>718906331
You don't need layers if you don't do anything that could potentially cause those problems. Best anti-virus is just being smart.

>>718904375
>>718904428
ill look into it, thanks

>>718887307
won't happen immediately but there's videos of people connecting XP PCs to the internet and it downloading malware without them even doing anything

>>718906579
IoT isn't for regular users, you're going to have an easier time dealing with bazzite or something than with these solutions made for servers and fridges.

>Windows thread
>Troonix flood in to tell how good their asstros are
Explain this behavior

>>718906612
>vast majority of the market is still on 10
>majority
>noun
>a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

>>718906673
It took me a while to realise patrick bateman was renting movies to tape over them with homemade porn before returning them to the store.

>>718880562 (OP)
I don't think I will

>>718906680
I'm literally on IoT LTSC 2021 right now and I can play all of my games without any problem

>>718906637
it's a license, note it down somewhere and just reuse it; or use the massgrave crack which takes all of 20 seconds.
yes you'll have to log back in to every website unless you backup your data to another drive before doing a clean install.

>>718906695
>Windows 7 64 bit 0.09%
I am proud to count myself one of them.

>>718906695
>That many retards on 11
Is it just because it comes with new computers or are that many people really updating to it?

>>718906725
it took me until you saying that right now to realize it

>>718906680
Why are you lying? Actually don't answer that, I know it's because you want to fool people into using linux.

>>718906793
probably cheapo craptops and prebuilts factoring into it

>>718899697
>Some people can't even upgrade due to their retarded requirements.
I'm guessing when adoption slows they'll back off the silly requirements that it doesn't actually need

>>718906969
Isn't the TPM something it needs or is that something they can actually patch out?

>>718906695
computer market is different than steam's userbase

>>718901548
>They're not going to shut down the activation server
Even if they do shut it down, offline install works

>>718906683
Win11 is genuinely shit

>>718906683
>computer enthusiasts flock to computer discussion thread
>this is somehow surprising

>>718906683
Windows today is pure slop

>>718907075
rufus lets you remove the tpm2 requirement.
do note that ignoring the requirements of the system can lead to an unbootable device. you're very much on your own if you do it and microsoft will tell you to go fuck yourself if you run into problems.

>>718904735
Is malwarebyte good if im too poor to afford an AV

>>718906793
People buying new computers with it pre-installed, or just paying the computer guy to upgrade their existing computer. You also have to realise that most people outside this place are very, very trusting of corporations, they literally don't think and do not care about any of the telemetry or performance issues.

>windows has updates
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU? MY TOASTER TAKES FOREVER INSTALLING THEM
>windows stops updates
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU? I GOT WHAT I ASKED FOR BUT I'M MAD BECAUSE... JUST BECAUSE!

>>718898420
They are working on it, but it only supports AMD hardware for now

>>718906793
yep
you cant buy laptop or prebuild with no win11
>>718906695
same

>>718907075
>>718907176
It's not required for IoT LTSC, so you'll never run in any problem with that specific edition

>>718907382
>linux has updates
>I WANT MORE

>>718906793
yep
you cant buy laptop or prebuild with no win11
>>718906763
same

Next time you get a new motherboard it will only have drivers for Windows 11

>>718907514
pretty much all hardware will only have drivers for the latest windows version.
downgrading windows is not an if, it's a when.

>>718907617
The game now is pretty much waiting for the stripped down version they sell to businesses to put on atms and cash registers and shit

>>718907702
yes

>>718906674
>won't happen immediately but there's videos of people connecting XP PCs to the internet and it downloading malware without them even doing anything

This only happened because the guy making the video did everything possible to make it easy to get infected. Turned off every safety measure possible and went out of his way to make it unsafe. This would happen with almost any OS if you did the same thing.

>>718880948
I had to disable a bunch of shit in the registry to stop Windows 10 automatically updating, let alone upgrade to it in the first place, because the updates were broken and would keep bricking my computer and force a rollback.

>>718906674
Your router has a firewall, right? That video didn't. Nothing will happen.

>>718880562 (OP)
There's no benefit for me, so no, I won't "upgrade"

the main reason I'm not switching is the UI

>>718880562 (OP)
already did
now I'm using CachyOS

>>718898749
>>718898532
they died in the presence of their god, they died happy

>going to drop $3500 CAD on gaming PC for myself which I can stomach considering I spend 16 hours a day on it, just like a good mattress its worth the cost
>not going to bother until 60 series comes out hopefully on 8pin connectors, will wait it out on linux for a bit
>my mom needs one too and its either chang brand like $200-300 GMKTec minipc or building her a full size desktop
>a reputable power supply is over $150-200 alone, just about every good case is $150, motherboard $150-300, etc etc
>a shitty 5060 TI so she could play some good stuff like Subnatica is $600 fucking dollars
Why the fuck are these miniPCs so damn cheap even with a win11 OEM license and OK name brand 1TB SSD in them anyway? Seems way too good to be true. I'm almost ready to take the chinesebackdoorpill.
>>718880948
You vill upgrade to ze chip that already has CVE exploits

>>718907702
proof it

i have more respect towards linuxbots than retarded w10 contrarians

>>718911556
>contrarians
?

>>718880562 (OP)
>pc not compatible
It can wait

>>718907229
None of the free antivirus software solutions are good. To get something that can stop anything that isn't a basic trojan, you need proprietary solutions that maintain active online databases and perform heuristics analysis and are being constantly updated because it's a non stop arms race between creators of computer viruses and security exploit abusers and security system developers.

>>718880694
But I need to do shit on PC that's beyond browsing the internet

>>718887731
>as an overall OS Mac is far and above better than Windows at just about anything other than games
And other than game development and everything associated with it

>>718912274
>hueristics analysis
also known as Brazil Studies

>>718912479
No, it's called pattern recognition, something you don't possess.

>>718880765
Having access to the AUR

My PC actually doesn't actually meet the fucking requirements to upgrade to Windows 11, which is retarded. I'm not buying an entire new PC for that. I don't see why it doesn't meet requirements; sure it's a bit old but not old enough that it can't handle Windows 11.

Ending support just means it won't get security updates and what not, so fuck em. If my PC gets to the point that it's riddled with viruses and doesn't work, then I'll just have to get rid of it and I guess I won't have a PC anymore. I'll just get a cheap fucking $300-$400 laptop and use that for browsing the internet and shitposting. You REALLY don't need a gayming PC if you aren't gaming on PC in general, like if you're a console gamer than a fucking laptop will be more than enough for you. It won't be able to play shit on it because it'll have integrated GPU and 8GB of ram, but who fucking cares? You're not gaming on it anyway, and if you are then yes, you'll need a $1300-$2,000+ PC for gaming.

>>718912437
>And other than game development and everything associated with it
He said games, you retard. Game development is included in that.

>>718912875
>>718887731
Oh and Stable Diffusion

>>718880562 (OP)
I'll upgrade when I change gpu in the future or build a new rig entirely.
For now my 4070ti super is enough for me, I'll either switch to 10 iot ltsc or find a script to enable extended support, I'm sure stuff like that will pop up on massgrave.

>>718880562 (OP)
>no more forced restarts
Sounds good to me

>>718880562 (OP)
My system runs as if the "support" ended years ago because i just blocked W10 Updates, for years.
Runs Flawlessly.
The day a software refuses to run I'll start to reconsider.

>>718912762
Are you sure it doesn't? It might just be some settings that aren't enabled in the BIOS. Windows itself can't tell if they're there, just if they're enabled or not.

>>718891140
are you emulating snes on the ps2? if so how is it because last time i did it i remember earthbound running poorly

>>718912575
and what does aura farming have to do with anything? fr baka

>>718916210
I think it lacks the TCPM 2.0 thingy, but my PC was built in 2015-2016. I'm not sure what motherboard it uses, think it's an ASUS Prime but I read a lot of PC's built in 2015 or so aren't compatible with Windows 11. Windows 11 has some massive security requirements like they basically want you to get an entire new PC unless you can bypass the security check.

>>718916107
You haven't had security issues? I'm a bit scared to keep using Windows 10 after support ends because I only have Microsoft Defender and I'm afraid my PC will be susceptible to viruses and malware without support updates. I mean...I can keep using my PC with Windows 10, it just won't receive updates from Microsoft anymore. I just really can't afford to get an entire new PC unless I get a cheap like $300-$400 laptop for general internet usage.

>>718917272
There's always the Extended Security Updates. If you sign in to a Microsoft account and backup your PC settings to it they'll offer it for free. Supposedly, anyway. I haven't actually seen the option to enroll yet, and it's apparently supposed to be available now.

>>718917462
Yeah, I heard about the ESU thing, and it's supposed to be $30. I wasn't aware it had a "free" option, if that's even true. Even then it's only good for another year, so it just extends the time for you weigh your options. As I said, I could easily get a $300 laptop for general browsing. It would come installed with Windows 11, and I wouldn't have to worry about it at that point. That's all I really use my PC for nowdays anyway is porn, Youtube, 4chan, and general browsing. Any PC can probably do that if you aren't looking to game on it, and you don't even need all the fancy shit on it like 16GB of VRAM, some powerful CPU/GPU, DDR5, etc.

You'd probably still want decent system ram and a decent CPU just for general browsing speed and smoothness. It won't be comfortable to use if everything is loading slow and multi-tasking feels slow because your RAM is super low and your CPU is ancient with no power.

>>718899759
>/v/
>playing games

>>718912762
just use flyby11

I did in may

I'm now 3 months more skilled than most of you chuds

>>718880562 (OP)
If 11 even touches my computer I'm installing Linux.

>>718897567
Never happened because 8 was not free. 10 was a "free" update and was pushed onto everybody running 7 or 8/8.1, first with threatening messages, then just forcibly installed.

>>718890571
This. It's hard to believe, but Windows 10 came out 10 years ago.
Even harder for me to believe is I'm still using the same PC I had back then and it doesn't even feel slow.
Technology has really stagnated.

>>718918807
>stagnated
If only. Technology has gotten worse.

>>718905720
Win10 ltsc is good out of the box

>>718919961
The software has gotten worse, and developers have gotten worse, but hardware has gotten only marginally better.
Multi-core 64-bit CPUs and SSDs really did change everything, and since these revolutionary changes in the late 2000s there's been nothing of real note since.

>>718916307
Nah, it's just a silly image I threw up on the screen.

>>718905720
>put LTSC iso on USB
>install LTSC
>???
>profit until at least 2032
I don't get what's so difficult about this?

>>718880948
the fucking state of this board jesus christ

>>718920561
If you're 18-20 now, like 99.9% of /v/, you were 8-10 when Windows 10 came out. You likely don't even remember any other OS.

>>718917238
What if I take a macbook and install windows on it?

I already did

>>718886793
Apple killed Mac gaming back in 2007 when they dropped support for the Mac Classic environment in OS X Leopard.
Then they killed it again in 2009 when they dropped support for Rosetta (PowerPC) environment in OS X Snow Leopard.
Then they killed it again in 2019 when they dropped support for 32-bit Intel apps in macOS Catalina.
They will kill it yet again in 2027 when they drop support for Rosetta 2 (Intel 64-bit) in macOS 28.
The moral of the story is, you cannot trust Apple to support anything, so you might as well just avoid them for gaming entirely.

>>718880562 (OP)
I still use win7
No, I can't play "current" games.
No, I don't miss them, they are shit and I'm enjoying Terminal Velocity

>>718900669
Of you had basic tech literacy you could install a different OS over it

>>718922102
I don't mess with my computers like that. I'm not a boffin, I have better things to do with my time.

>>718899697
Since ESU is free for personal use, 10's support has already been defacto extended to October 2026.
Google also says Chrome will support it until then and Nvidia will make game ready drivers until then.
Windows 10's end of life isn't until next year.

>>718921619
>bazzite

>>718922195
It literally takes less than an hour of work to find an OS download on /t/, put it on a USB, and follow basic instructions to install the OS. For something you will use for years.

>>718922289
>windows

>>718922102
that is what i did

>>718922102
This. I install Linux Mint in less than 30 minutes on my brand new Thinkpad. Everything just werks and I will never touch Windows again.

>>718922491
>Linux mint
oh nononononoonono

>>718899685
Question. How do i get windows ltsc? I have a laptop with windows 7 but i was thinking about getting another one with windows 10. Or maybe just get a new laptop and instantly switch to linux. I havent really decided yet.

>>718922491
Same, but I kept win11 on a different partition for those few games that I can't get to work on Linux.
Dual booting is the best of both worlds.

>>718923015
Just use Linux.

>>718923035
Dual booting is giga cope.
Windows is also going to brick your grub bootloader, unless you dual boot on two different devices.

If the game doesnt run on linux it is not worth playing and mal- or spyware infested. Every since Steam entered the game with Proton everything but malware anticheat works.

>>718923035
>Dual booting is the best of both worlds.
If I have to reboot into Windows to play a few games, I might as well only use Windows and be able to play all games.

Can I get a long rundown on the state of Linux gaming these days? I really, really, really, really want to cut myself off from Microsoft's brand of invasive demonic faggotry but still be able to game now and then. Are any games being ported natively? How about compatibility software, is WINE still a thing? It would be nice to be able to play MGDelta and Oblivion Remastered

>>718880562 (OP)
You don't need Microsoft's support to begin with.
kys op

>>718923164
The real solution is to passthrough a secondary GPU hooked up to a secondary monitor to a Windows VM, that way you don't have to reboot and get full GPU performance.

>>718923229
Use a distro that comes pre-configured.
CachyOS, Bazzite or Nobara.
Everything works except games with invasive anti-cheat methods work.

Steam and GloriousEggroll unironically saved Linux gaming

>>718923254
This

>>718923164
Not that. That is retarded.

>>718880562 (OP)
ok, still not gonna upgrade. 11 has shit ui and i'm not feeling it

>>718923254
Or I could just use Windows and not deal with any of that nonsense.
What does Linux provide for me over Windows? I don't care about perceived privacy, or ads, or how the OS looks at all. I just want to click play on a game and play the game. Anything else is secondary.

>>718880624
Based fellow EndeavourOS enjoyer.

You can upgrade for free to 3 years support (which will get extended further in the future)
MASSGRAVE

Windows 11 is shit.

>>718923371
Good goy.

>>718880562 (OP)
Steam will abandon you like it abandoned windows 7 users

Been almost one year since I went with Linux, didn't expect everything to just work. If anything I had way more bugs in Windows. Barely any learning curve unless you want to do heavy customization.

>>718923476
Steam still runs on Windows 7 and they supported it until 2024, 4 years after Microsoft ended support.

>>718923482
Cachy, Endeavour, Nobara and Bazzite are all fucking turbo based to be honest.
You install them and they just work. Yes you can get the same results they provide yourself, but why bother.

>>718880624
Have been using Endeavoruos for a few months now just to try something Arch-based, It alright!
Coming from Mint

>>718923609
soulful migu

>>718923476
You mean Google. Steam runs on an embedded version of Google Chrome. When Google drops support for an OS, Valve drops support.

>>718923560
Yeah, saw some people saying it's placebo or whatever, but my pc now boots from bios to fully usable in like 20-30 seconds compared to 50 on base Arch. Also not sure about the others but Cachy has retard proof "just click next" tier installer.

>>718923709
>my pc now boots from bios to fully usable in like 20-30 seconds
This is considered good? My Windows 11 PC boots in under 9 seconds.

>>718923757
Good for you anon, didn't know we had exact same specs.

>>718923757
How often are you booting your PC to care? I might reboot my PC once a year at best, otherwise it stays on.

>>718923854
How rich are you? With my hardware that would cost about $1000-$2000 in electricity costs to keep it on 24/7.

Just use the script to use extended service support updates for the next 3 years, yeah your drivers will stop getting updates eventually, or just stop using windows

Someone should show off the performance difference between Windows 11 Explorer and Doplhin Exlporer.

Can't believe the one in Win11 is so fucking ass lol , LMAO even

>>718923757
Pretty sure you are not shutting down properly and get memed by the fastboot

>>718923993
>what is sleep mode

>>718916307
>are you emulating snes on the ps2?
ah yes, mario back to the korean dmz, a timeless snes classic

>>718923854
My gaming PC stays off when I'm not using it.
I boot it every time I go to play a game and shut it off when I'm done, sometimes multiple times a day. A quick boot time is essential to me.

Post video of windows booting

>>718922195
No you don't, be honest

>>718880562 (OP)
I'm never using Win11. When the support for 10 ends I'm just going to switch to Linux. I used 11 for like 10 minutes on my mom's new laptop and the context menu made me nearly throw up.

>>718880562 (OP)
I just did got a i5 13600kf and 9060xt. I just have to turn it off and on a few times to get video to work and the case fans don't work (the buttons and leds do though desu) but the cpu and gpu fans work so I think I'm good. Time for some dorf fort and songs of syx.

>>718924323
>the context menu
One regedit fix later and it's exactly like it was in 10.
Microsoft even has an official help page on it: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-sg/answers/questions/2287432/(article)-restore-old-right-click-context-menu-in

Probably gonna stick with Windows 10 for as long as I can and then probably switch to Linux. Not sure if I'm gonna go with Fedora or Mint yet, both have their pros and cons, but the choice is between those two.

> be me
> install windows 11
> "modern and streamlined experience"
> right click on desktop
> menu looks like it's from windows 10
> right click on taskbar
> different menu that looks like it's from windows 8
> open control panel
> still looks like windows 95
> mfw three different UI paradigms in one OS

> try to change volume
> new sleek volume slider appears
> try to change advanced audio settings
> windows vista dialog box materializes from the void
> comic sans MS in 2024

> want to uninstall program
> settings app: "minimalist design uwu"
> half the options missing
> forced to use control panel
> looks like NT 4.0 had a baby with XP

> start menu crashes
> literally just a web browser displaying ads
> "searching for solutions online"
> solution: restart explorer.exe
> same fix as windows 98

> try to disable cortana
> registry edit required
> disable telemetry
> group policy editor
> disable automatic updates
> powershell commands
> mfw need computer science degree to make OS usable

> file explorer
> ribbon interface from 2012
> mixed with fluent design from 2017
> sprinkled with aero glass from 2007
> one folder icon still from windows 2000
> it's like a museum of bad decisions

> "rounded corners everywhere for consistency"
> calculator app: square corners
> notepad: square corners
> device manager: hasn't been updated since clinton administration

> performance worse than windows 10
> uses more RAM than chrome
> boot time somehow slower
> "hardware acceleration"
> my SSD is crying

> microsoft: "we've learned from our mistakes"
> also microsoft: forces edge as default even after changing it
> also microsoft: bing search in start menu can't be disabled
> also microsoft: do you want to try copilot?

> tfw windows 7 was the last good windows
> tfw stuck with this frankenstein OS
> tfw linux looking more tempting every day
> but muh games

> just wanted to use computer
> instead became beta tester for microsoft's identity crisis
> thanks bill gates
> very cool

>>718880562 (OP)
I live in a third world country and I can't afford a pc that runs 11.. It's over for me

>>718924694
>"Be me"
You have to be 18 or older to post on this site.

>>718924721
ANY PC that can run 10 can run Windows 11, you didn't even try.

>>718924831
Windows users stockhold syndrome needs to be studied

Bros does 4chan x work on microsoft egge or not I installed tampermonkey and 4chan x and it says it's on but it's not working.

>>718924831
I have a G850 cpu and an off brand motherboard from 2011

>Finally got in the bios to activate tpm
>oh actually you need secureboot too,


Man fuck this

>>718880562 (OP)
>You should upgrade your hardware to run worse version of OS with less functionality than before because you know... your "old" 8 core CPU and 16GB of ram can't run basic GUI which hasn't change in 20+ years anymore

>>718924448
I'm not doing all that. I'm switching to Linux today.

>>718880694
Using Apple products is spiritual slavery

>>718924674
I recommend any arch distro because of the AUR. Essentially you will never have to change OS ever again if you use Arch as it will just be continuously upgraded forever. This is why valve chose it for Steam Deck.

Fedora is a bit unstable but Mint is a debian fork which means it lags a bit behind on newest features and you need to upgrade your OS in the future, if you're a gamer you will not have the cutting edge features for your hardware like on arch.

>>718924910
And? It can still run Windows 11. LTSC and 11's server editions even officially waves the TPM and SecureBoot requirements, so it's not like it's a glitch that allows it to work.

>>718925292
>I recommend any arch distro because of the AUR.
All I know about the AUR is that viruses sneak into that shit real easily. Arch is a meme distro and any variant is doomed to be shitty.

>>718924972
What you switching to though?

>>718880562 (OP)
My computer doesn't support windows 11.

>>718925338
>viruses
Linux has viruses? What the fuck?

>>718925338
AUR just means anyone and everyone can upload applications for your OS it means everything EVERYTHING is on arch. This also means retards get fucked by viruses. I use EndeavourOS and there it actually shows you when you use AUR which package is officially from linux, which is pre-approved by Arch, which is pre-approved by EndeavourOS and then which is public repository (can be a virus if you're retarded)

Same as windows randomly downloading .exe from the internet, really.

>>718925472
So? There's a million ways to workaround the requirements, choose one.
Install Gentoo

>>718925481
It's been a recent development because retards started using Linux because they bought a steamdeck and decided to just download everything in the "app store" (AUR)

Not realizing it isn't the apple app store but instead just a general repository everyone can upload shit to.

>>718925593
I hate deckfags so much it's unreal. Normalfags shouldn't be allowed to use Linux.

Buy an ad you genocidal piece of shit. That guy should have had a gun instead of a pie.

>>718924448
That doesn't look like it just works, are you some kind of tinkertranny?

>>718925389
Arch.

>>718925578
I'm to retarded for that. It either works out of the box or it doesn't.

>>718925486
Okay, but why would I do that when any program I would evert want or need I can just install as a flatpack, an appimage, or straight up in my system repository?

>>718925703
If this is your first time using Linux, don't fall for the Arch meme. You will bounce off on it. Use Mint or Fedora.

>>718880948
You missed the period wear Windows was literally advertising Windows 10 to you? Every day?

>>718925795
I never used Windows before 10. My dad had an iMac and I bought my first gaming PC 6 years ago when I turned 16 using money I'd saved up from my part time job.
It came with Windows 10 and it was glorious.

>>718925593
Isn't aur just the official arch repository for their version of sudo install?
I figure only basic shit gets put there anything else needs a public repository or flatpak.

I got the fans working, I didn't realize they had to be plugged into SATA.

>>718880948
Microsoft was literally sued for forcing Windows 10 upgrades onto PCs back in 2015-2016.
That's aggressive. People would go to bed and wake up and their PC was suddenly running Windows 10. Putting an ad for Windows 11 is not anywhere on the same level. They're not going to try the force install thing again, since the courts ruled against them last time.

>>718926241
No, that's Pacman. AUR literally stands for Arch User Repository. So no, it's not official.

AUR is ass
Use Flatpak

>>718881028
>like malware
>like
I have some bad news

>>718880562 (OP)
Already got Arch Linux up and running so I don't have to worry about that.

>>718926257
Windows 10 is the GOAT though.
Windows 11 is ass.

Have you seen the new package? It's on synaptic. It's literally on flatpack. It's on pacman with extra. It's on AUR. You can get it on AUR. You can go to AUR and download it. Log onto AUR right now. Go to AUR. Dive into AUR. You can AUR it. It's on AUR. AUR has it for you. AUR has it for you.

>>718880562 (OP)
>have to update work laptop to win 11
>it's fucking terrible
Going to install win 10 enterprise LTSC, pray for me I don't fuck my shit up

>>718926545
>installing shit on your work laptop
Hope you like being unemployed.

>>718896517
Delaying the inevitable. Saw it with Win7 when win10 came out, people stayed on 7 for as long as they could then caved to Win10 instead of actually going for linux

It's been a solid few years since so maybe this time people will ACTUALLY go to Linux since the alternative is an OS that literally takes snapshots of your screen and keylogs you and sends everything to Microsoft

>>718926616
>the alternative is an OS that literally takes snapshots of your screen and keylogs you and sends everything to Microsoft
Windows 10 already did this. Windows 7 even did if you updated it with the mandatory telemetry update.

>>718926582
no you retard i'm going to install LTSC on my personal machine
my work laptop is government property

>>718880765
Because gnome sucks

>>718926616
>OS that literally takes snapshots of your screen and keylogs you and sends everything to Microsoft

To play Devil's Advocate, that stuff is only if you have Copilot+, which is only available if your PC has an NPU which most computers don't even have right now,

Windows 11 still sucks even without that though.

>>718922195
Okay lmao. Have fun with your shit OS with adverts built into it

>>718880562 (OP)
I hate that Windows 10 was supposed to be a “forever OS” that they continually updated, but they just abandoned that.

>>718924154
It's okay, but I think Mario Goes to Gary, Indiana was the better game.

>>718887747
Software has to be compiled for a specific CPU architecture. You can't compile something you don't have the source code of.

>>718926942
>but they just abandoned that.
11 is still 10.
11 was originally supposed to be a UI overhaul for 10, but they decided to call it 11 because Apple finally moved beyond OS version 10 (X).
It's literally the Xbox 2 vs PS3 all over again.

>>718926942
windows 10 was always the nortubel of windows

>>718921413
you oughta get their ass kicked for saying something like that, man

I don't have the fucking TPM 2.0 on my motherboard and won't buy a new one until it bricks. Should I try to install 11 with the expoilt?

>>718927041
Source?
Because now Apple's on version 26 and Windows is still 11.

>>718924448
>The second most important option is to "move to One Drive™
>Next one is to "Share with Skype™
>"Scan with Microsoft Defender™
>Another button to "Share"
>"Restore previous versions"

What the fuck is all of this bloat? That's disgusting.

>>718922404
manjaro

>>718927210
>manjaro

>>718927131
Microsoft will probably start using years for versions too, full circle back to Windows 95.

>>718904838
Work on Pipewire

c'mon dude cut me some slack i thought it was a rom hack

I'll just keep w10
Nothing bad will happen.

>>718886793
I tried wine on friend's mac and could run all the games that I tried with a bit of tinkering.

>>718925338
How does that differ from downloading random exe's off the internet?

>>718880624
What does this do anyway? Is it good?

>>718880948
I just watched Tim Cain's postmortem of Fallout on GDC. They applied for Windows95 Certification and were denied because Fallout installed and worked perfectly on Windows NT, and in order to get Win95 certification a program would have to "fail gracefully" when installing on NT. so they made the Fallout installer quit if it detected you were using NT in order to get the cert, but you could just copy all the files manually and it would still run perfectly on NT.

do you see what scum MS always were? to force you onto their new shit they would make devs break compatibility with their previous OSes.

>>718928989
>to force you onto their new shit they would make devs break compatibility with their previous OSes
NT 4.0 came out after Windows 95. In the 90s, NT wasn't for consumers, it didn't even have USB support until 2000 (NT 5).

>>718928989
and dont think with all the money they give to the linux foundation and with all the seats they bought themselves on the board that they arent doing shit like this with linux either

>>718929180
and?

>>718929286
How was making the Fallout devs break compatibility with NT 4.0 "forcing you onto their new shit" if it came out after Windows 95? It was forcing people to stick with their old shit.

>>718881475
>Ubuntu (and other debian based distros) suck for playing videogames because the packages are from roughly the time Jesus was alive
Just don't use LTS.

>>718929362
nigger does 4.0 = 1.0

>>718929362
I don't recall asking?

>>718929404
NT 4 came out in 1996. That was the version that could run Fallout and they had to intentionally break because Microsoft didn't want NT to be for home consumers or gaming.
NT was made for businesses. It was not designed for gaming and they didn't want to encourage home users to use it.

>>718929484
Again, who asked?

bros fuck 4chan x isn't working on microsoft edge, I have to keep f5ing and there's no way to easily see which threads I have (you)s in

>>718923254
>Just buy a second fucking GPU
>Oh, and make sure your mobo doesn't cripple its performance for having only 4x lanes on the second PCIe 16x slot.

>>718929582
>microsoft edge
Install Firefox retard.

>>718929604
Still better than having to suffer with Windows 11.

>>718929484
it breaks with all NT versions, even every Windows OS post 95 which are NT based

you know for a fact he was talking about 4.0 and not NT 3.1?

>>718929687
firefox is becoming cancer too wiith all its AI shit

>>718929970
You can disable about anything you want on Firefox in about:config

>>718880562 (OP)
i'm good for now, thanks for the reminder

>>718905720
I love Bazzite.

>>718929879
Because Fallout requires DirectX 3.0a which only worked on 95 and NT 4.0.

>>718881028
The windows 10 forced update literally killed people

>>718930082
Based. Windows 10 FOREVER

>>718930182
He's running Windows 11 thougheverbeit.

>>718929970
And Edge and Chrome aren't? At least in Firefox you can shut all that shit off.

>Got a new PC this week
>Told my young cousin I'd give her my old one too
>For some fucking reason I can't factory reset either one, Windows Update is broken on both, troubleshooter tool is useless, new activation key I bought doesn't work, Microsoft asks me for two passwords but only let me change one, and even something as simple as using an USB stick to get W11 and reinstall it later has error message and won't work
Oh god I remember why I only do this once a decade

Well microsoft edge I was going to give you a shot but you decided to not work with 4chan so oh well I guess...

>>718924184
>turns off his PC

>>718930965
Have you tried turning off your PC and reinstalling Windows 11 sir?

>>718880562 (OP)
my work laptop forced the windows 11 update yesterday and that shit is so fucking horrible. I'd rather never play a new game. You can't even move the taskbar anymore without editing the registry? What sort of fucking indian decision making is this? The next PC I make is going to be all Linux at least then there's a reason why I have to fiddle with the most minor of fucking things to make a single simple change.

>>718880562 (OP)
No, I don't think so

test

>>718880562 (OP)
>unlock efficiency and innovation

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>718880562 (OP)
>ASUS
I don't think so you shit flinging chinkoid.

>>718880948
I got full screen Windows 11 advertisement when I booted up my PC.. couldn't even login you had to watch and read and click through the ad before login

>>718928596
It's just arch with a pretty installer. Makes the process easier.

>>718930801
Install linux and you'll never have to worry about keys. Honestly baffles me how windows users stress over that instead of simply reinstalling.

>>718880562 (OP)
I just virtual box Windows 98 for most of my actual PC needs

>>718924694
Proton is thing

>>718925640
>Normalfags shouldn't be allowed to use pc or smartphone
Fixed you

>>718880562 (OP)
>You should upgrade

correct, download Linux Mint (Cinnamon) at https://linuxmint.com/ and use a usb flash drive to install it

>>718880562 (OP)
If you didn't install Linux during the Windows 8 and 8.1 era, you're literal cattle and deserve your fate.

>>718924694
For me it's that sometimes Explorer would shit itself and take like 20-30s to open a folder. And that shit happened on a completely fresh install. All the info online about it "yeah it just kinda happens there's no solution lmao". Fucking Microsoft. More like Durgasoft.

>Just update your PC bro what can go wrong?
>New update bricks SSDs and HDDs (yes this includes fancy up to date NVME drives)
>If it's a "mild" case then rebooting will fix it
>If it's a severe case then you just lose your data forever
I hate it here

>>718937731
the best part is this is triggered by large data writing sessions. Like when you download a 40+ gb game, or update. We found out about it because people in japan were downloading Honkai Star Rail updates and breaking their computers because of it. If you use Windows for gaming you're actively putting your hardware at risk.

>>718880948
They're desperate because it's basically a 50/50 split right now between 10 and 11 and time is almost up. I don't remember how bad the split was with 7 and 10.

Thanks, but I'm still using Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC with debloat.

>>718937731
You had to install Windows 10 IoT LTSC.

>>718938851
>IoT
>still neds to debloat

>>718880562 (OP)
they keep making the threats and yet we're all still on 10, fuck jeetsoft

Will they block the ability to upgrade to 11 from 10 once we reach EOS? They seem petty enough to do it.

>>718936879
Give them some slack. Proton didn't exist back then

>>718938840
You can just check the archives. Windows 7 was 57.74% when its support ended
https://web.archive.org/web/20150111211542/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Going even further back Windows XP was 61.19% when its support ended
https://web.archive.org/web/20090415225520/https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

>>718906683
i was using windows 10 up until about a month ago. it was a thread like this where anons made a bet with me that i would try fedora and come crawling back to windows after I expressed my growing frustration with windows and not wanting to swap to 11. Not only have i not come crawling back, fedora+kde is now my daily driver and i play all of my games on it. Even vortex mod manager is currently working on and close to completing a native linux application. Once that happens, I will literally be able to install hundreds of mods to games and have them completely organized.

In fact I only dualboot windows still instead of wiping it completely because im taking online courses that require lockdown browser+respondus which is unironically spyware and linux will not let it run. Once i complete all my courses, im finally getting rid of windows for good

>windows 11 is $140

What the fuck man

>>718940840
Just buy one of those gorillion $2 OEM keys if you really need one that much

>>718940840
you can use windows 10 key

>>718940449
I didn't realize it was that bad before. They're actually improving this time since I'm pretty sure it's under 50% for W10 right now. I guess it helps that W11 is basically just fancy wallpaper for W10 at this point instead of any real difference.

>>718887537
fuck no, get a thinkpad, upgrade the ram and storage and you should be good to go. Mac can be good for certain things but fanboys and cultists wont look you in the eye when you ask if you can upgrade the ram and storage yourself and If you can repair your Mac if shit happens to it. On the principle of apple really minmaxing planned obsolescence is why no one should buy macs, if not for not wasting your money at least for not fucking up the environment more with the amount of e-waste apple produces by itself

>>718880562 (OP)
upgrade to what?

>>718941075
to their DRM and latest backdoor

>>718940647
If you're playing windows games you can already install mod managers through protontricks launcher or something like lutris if your game isn't on steam.

>>718940647
Would respondus run in a virtual machine? At least then you can contain it.

>>718940968
Thanks anon I almost got fucked. I'll pay $10 to get rid of the watermark but not $140.

>>718941060
I just put together a new pc and my old one is hardware based or whatever, no key.

>>718941408
im pretty sure respondus can detect if its being run in a VM and im too scared to even test it because i dont want my school to think im cheating. i weighed the cost/risk anylsis a lot in my head and its just not worth it becaues i dont see how im supposed to test it in a VM in a way that allows me to know if the software(which connects to an external server) is detecting that its in a VM unless i use it while im taking a test, which runs the risk of being caught. thank you for the suggestion though
>>718941256
i thought that using vortex mod manager with protontricks was finicky at best

>>718940647
Based. Similar thing happened for me
>friends (all on W11) teasing me about support ending soon
>tell them I'm gonna move to Bazzite before that happens as I have hated using W10
>"lol no you won't, you're gonna go to W11 or W12 like everyone else"
>bet fuckers
>get brand new PC
>install Bazzite
>it's incredibly easy to use (it was even easy to install) and it actually just works
>friends still trying to insist that stuff won't work for me
>it does
feels fucking good

>>718941703
based. i considered bazzite but then when looking into it i saw it was based on fedora and run by a small team and i was scared have my OS rely on a small team so i figured i would just use fedora and just manually add all of the things bazzite has natively to fedora.

>>718911376
>>power supply over 200
>>good case 150
>>motherboard 300
you dont know how to buy computer parts, at all
you are being willingly retarded, you can make a small pc for your mom for around 500 dollars for everything. You could also wait for black friday deals and give your mom a better pc for around the same amount. Go to pcbg in /g/ and ask there cause you are also too stupid to be able to research shit yourself

I'm just going to trash my PC and buy a switch 2

>>718941860
Seasonic and Corsair power supplies cost that much. I'm not putting in OEM trash like BeQuiet with chinese caps

>>718941575
I've never used vortex, I use MO2 and the biggest factor if it works or not is the proton version. The newest version of proton-ge is usually the best to use, but some updates break it for some reason. I've never had problems with it beyond getting it to load with the right proton version, then it works fine.

>>718941786
Probably the smart thing to do. I chose Bazzite simply because I am a Linux pleb who has used Windows since XP and I figured I would fuck something up.
So far it's probably the best OS I've used, it's so dumbed down and simple that it might be easier to use than even Windows 7.

>windows 10 is years old
what the fuck
please stop time

no thanks

>>718942020
can MO2 work for cyberpunk? the reason i love vortex is because it keeps track of when mods need/have updates and i run like 100+ mods in cyberpunk

>>718942046
thats fair. fedora is my first linux distro and i consider myself pretty dumb but i also wanted to know how things work as much as possible because im tired of being ignorant of my own machine.

>>718941946
Try XPG Core Reactor II, really good PSU for a very good price, that's what I'm currently using in my build.

>>718880624
I don't know how the maintainers of this project fucked it up but when I used it, printing didn't work. When I just went to arch it worked no problem. Same with using different resolutions on monitors. For a system designed to solve problems, it sure did create a lot.

>>718929221
the key is linux isn't a black box that they can decide how to ship. tell me which reputable company is shipping an ad-free, telemetry-optional version of windows 11 and I might consider installing it. until then it's fedora kde.

>>718942361
THATS RIGHT BAYBEE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING ON OUR MACHINES.

>>718880562 (OP)
I'm not switching, not even if Steam starts threatening me. I'll just turn off auto-updates for Steam until it genuinely breaks and can't be used anymore.

That's how it was for Windows 7, and that's how it will be on Windows 10.
Also I'm on LTSC so I actually get 2 extra years

>>718942128
People say it works, but really, vortex will probably work too if you use proton ge. There are even programs to make the process easier like steam tinker launcher

https://github.com/sonic2kk/steamtinkerlaunch/wiki/Vortex

I've never used this though, there are a number of different ways people say they have gotten vortex to work and it seems similar to things I've done to get MO2 working.

>>718942046
Nothing wrong with getting your feet wet with guardrails. You can look at the system file structure without worrying about ruining it.

>>718942486
Also my crystal disk infos cuz everyone's doing it here

>>718942547
il give it a shot, thanks anon!

>>718941430
Well I just bought and oem key for $5 and tried putting it in but it says it looks like my hardware has changed try again later.......

What the fuck do they mean try again later why would that change things???

>>718943482
sounds like you got scammed, buy a new key and try again

>>718942261
Smart way to do it. I'll probably deep dive into it at some point in the future. I learned how to do all of the more advanced stuff in Windows as a kid/teenager, so I'll most likely figure Linux out if I give it some time, probably like >>718942560 suggested.
For now I just wanted a computer that would work without any headaches (like having to fuck with the registry in W10 to disable updates).

>>718943627
thats fair. and you know what you could do, especially if you have another drive, is dual boot bazzite with another distro so you still have your gaming one and can deep dive at the same time without it effecting anything.

>>718943556
Wango, turned out there were a few powershell commands I needed to use to get it to work and not it works, I'm activated baby.

Now I just have one more problem, the quick reply on 4chan x on firefox isn't giving me the captcha.

>>718943741
Probably the wisest course of action. Any distros you know of that are good for a Linux beginner? Just to fuck around with it and learn the basics

>>718943556
>buy a new key
>pay money for keys illegally being sold that can be disabled at any point in the future
At that point why not just pirate it?

>>718880562 (OP)
I'm 99.9% sure they're gonna flip some magic switch that will break things that worked perfectly fine up until October 14th.
I've been getting notifications like "nooo anon, the xbox app does not work with your version of windows uwu" but if I close that I can use it and play whatever the fuck I want flawlessly. I'm sure this is gonna change and they're gonna break my shit on purpose.