Thread 718924980

What is your excuse? An used meta quest 2 is extremely cheap and will give you access to the definitive gaming experience.
>it's a gimmick! it's just two screens attached to your eyes!
Honestly the gimmick is more the motion controls than the screens being close to your eyes.

>>718924980 (OP)
There is literally only two games over the past decade worth getting on VR:

> Beat Saber
> Superhot VR

And one of those isn't exclusive to VR (Superhot, Superhot: Mind Control Delete).

It's not worth the $600 for two (2) titles.

>>718925440
Spoken like someone that did not try VR. There's Skyrim, Fallout 4, Half Life Alyx, Resident Evil 4, ah fuck whatever I won't type a list of 50 games.

I'd also point that shovelware is super fun in VR. Some of my favorite games ended up being a table tennis simulator, a golf simulator, a painting game, a game where you solve 3D puzzles. VR surprises you with how much fun it is to play any game really

>>718924980 (OP)
i own an oculus prototype 2
just wasn't that interesting

>>718924980 (OP)
>>it's a gimmick! it's just two screens attached to your eyes!

Im thinking of getting quest 3. Although Im not too sure, because Im on a laptop with a 1660ti

>>718924980 (OP)
i do and haven't used it in over a year

>>718925594
vr mods for resident evil is amazing

>>718926292
It's worth it for the standalone alone. You're not missing out on much without PCVR. Mostly half life alyx and modded flat games

>>718927081
>>718926292
ackshually half life alyx (the most demanding VR game) only requires a 1060
the entry point to VR does not ask much, if you want the best resolutions and FPS of course you will need top tier hardware though but there is nothing wrong with jank, that's how standalone works and it's what 99% people use

>>718924980 (OP)
I'm waiting for the Index 2. I'm fine with dropping money on it, but once I buy it I probably won't upgrade for a long time, so I'd rather not purchase hardware at the end of its lifespan.

>>718929067
How are people considering the Index 2 after the shitshow that was Index 1? It's literally worse than the Meta Quest 3 and 50% more expensive. There is no way to compete with Meta they sell their headsets at a huge loss.

>>718930328
My issue with Meta is that you need to connect to it via a facebook account. I don't wanna do that.

>>718931140
Just create a throwaway account to connect?

>>718925440
Synth Riders is better than Beat Saber. Just a bigger variety of moves in that game, it doesn't get old as fast.

>>718924980 (OP)
I have an Index and an OG Rift. Now if only somebody made decent games for it as well.

>>718931251
I'll just not buy anything for Faceberger ever again instead.

>>718931140
>you need to connect to it via a facebook account
it's not 2018

>>718931469
Is that not a mandatory feature of it anymore?

I'm starting to notice the only people complaining about no games are the people that bought an Index instead of a Meta Quest

There is no way to go about VR without a Meta Quest. The standalone games are 90% of the fun.

>>718924980 (OP)
Because there's like 3 good vr games

>>718931140
No you don't, they lost that requirement 3 years ago

>>718925594
why not just actually play table tennis or golf?

>>718931520
>>718931403
>>718931140
You only need to create a meta account which is email, login, password. Don't even need to provide a name. Facebook integration has not been necessary since... 2019?

>>718924980 (OP)
I feel like we're going to see some big jump in the technology either this year or next, so I'm holding off until then.

>>718931520
no, it's a "meta" account separate from facebook, my OG oculus account was converted into it and I didn't get a new facebook or anything, didn't even ask for a phone number

>>718931545
>standalone games are 90% of the fun
Most of the standalone games are on PC as well though. Only Quest exclusives worth trying are AssC Nexus, Bamham and AssWrath 2.

>>718925594
>Port
>port
>Game with almost no replay value in which the vr world is non-interactable
>port

Yeah I'm gonna stand by there's like 3 good vr games

>>718924980 (OP)
I do.
>>718925440
Superhot is probably the only thing that you should experience in VR, as cool as the non VR version already is. Beatsaber could have been a WIi game.

>>718931684
But you're tethered to your PC/router. I am going to visit another country and I can't bring my gaymer PC, but I can bring my meta quest 3.

And there are dozens and dozens of games that are not on PC. The list is endless. They might be shovelware that won't grab your attention for more than a couple weeks, but that's what VR is about at the end of the day.

>>718931732
>Beatsaber could have been a WIi game.
Spoken like somebody who never owned a Wii. It's not even remotely precise enough for that gameplay, and having to stare at a small screen in front of you would ruin all the fun

>>718931724
Rain Code VR mod is better than the flat version

>>718924980 (OP)
I bought an old PSVR to try out recently, my first headset. You can get them for $40 now so I figured why not? Why not is they're too much hassle. I know all the latest hardware is a lot nicer, and some of the games are pretty cool, but they have not yet solved any of the fundamental issues associated with strapping a big box to your head. 10+ years in this is still early adopter tech. Also, you look ridiculous while using it. If I wasn't a loser living alone, I wouldn't have even spent the $40. The target demographic for this tech must incredibly small. How many people are willing to look like a goofball and also have several hundred dollars to spend on a modern system? They couldn't even market 3DTV and that just required some glasses.

>>718931854
Nah, they could have made it work with some effort. Maybe it'd need a better sensor and slightly different controllers but it could have worked and it would not be that different from the VR version.

>>718931921
What problems or hassle did you find exactly? I never used a PSVR but with the meta quest it is as simple as put it in your face, turn on and start playing

>Also, you look ridiculous while using it. If I wasn't a loser living alone, I wouldn't have even spent the $40
What the fuck is wrong with you? You think you look hot playing bing bing wahoo on a tablet or using your PC or what? And why do you care what other people think of you?

>>718931831
>playing VR on a trip
Not sure why I would ever do that. You do need a PC for PCVR but you don't have to be tethered, hell even Q3 itself can wirelessly connect to a router and play PCVR

>>718932069
>Not sure why I would ever do that
I'm an introvert and need 1 or 2 hours of my hobby to recharge.

>wireless
Yes I am assuming it is wireless. But even wireless you need to be very close to the router.

>>718931972
Nta but you're absolutely wrong. Beatsaber on wii would have sucked ass.

>>718931972
>they could have made it work with some effort
Absolutely no fucking way. Wii was a janky piece of shit and fast movements like you have in Beat Saber would never reliably register, not with Wiimotionplus, not with anything. Wii only works well in Wii commercials
>better sensor and slightly different controllers
Yeah if you make modern VR controllers and have modern VR tracking stations for "Wii", that "Wii" would work well lmao

>>718925440
Don't forget Half Life Alyx.
Also, Boneworks wasn't that bad.

honestly this is possibly the best time to get in VR, nearly all games are available in the meta ecosystem which is super easy to pirate

soon VR will face the same problem of streaming and every company will have their own exclusives because the only way to make the headsets not cost $1000 is to recoup losses from selling apps

>>718932216
I'm surprised how easy it is to pirate considering that buying the apps is how Meta actually makes money. There are basically zero barriers against it, the meta quest is like an android phone.

I really like to run it with War Thunder and some Japanese porn games. I am looking forward to installing VR version of modded Tarkov.
I do not see the point of using it beyond that because I am not a VR chat person.
But I admit, the face tracking tech does look impressive.

>>718932374
I've had it for two years and still didn't get in VRChat because I dread voice communication. I mostly just jump from shovelware to shovelware.

Last week I found Arcane Paradise and holy shit it's amazing. It's like a management sim game where you do laundry and buy arcade machines which slowly overtake the theme of your business, and you can actually play the arcade games. Gems like this are why VR is super cool. I dunno how people are content with shit like Bonelabs, these are the most boring games to me.

>>718932193
>Yeah if you make modern VR controllers and have modern VR tracking stations for "Wii"
You say that as though they're some super complex thing but that's cheap and easy.

>>718931724
Treating PC peripherals like they're consoles in need of exclusives is mentally ill. These games support VR functionality, they're VR games.
>>718931972
The Wii has an accelerometer and with the motion + it has a gyroscope on one controller.
That is not enough for more than a very basic version of Beatsaber that would only consider which direction you swing in.
>Maybe it'd need a better sensor and slightly different controllers
It's almost like VR controllers evolved from Wiimotes after years of new tech or something. VR controllers have full 6DoF tracking, the Wii does not.
>>718932552
If it were that easy and cheap, then more 6DoF systems would exist and OpenHMD would have had flawless compatibility with all headsets.

>>718932552
The Wii works by having the wii mote fire a light that is picked up by the sensor you place under the TV, meaning it only works if you are pointing the controller directly at the screen, other than that it has the most basic bitch ass gyroscope ever, I have no idea why you think this could work for beatsaber

VR actually uses a similar principle but the sensors are way more plentiful and positioned in a better angle

Beat Saber for the Wii would require buying sensor stations and placing them around your area, just imagine how retarded that would be

>>718924980 (OP)
Why would I buy a no games apparatus?

>>718932524
Arcane Paradise?
Did you mean Arcade Paradise?
If the latter, does it have OG arcades or are they legit from old school arcades?

>>718932036
>What problems or hassle did you find exactly?
It's just a lot of added steps compared to playing flat screen games. You gotta plug the headset in, and it fits better with a baseball cap so I go get a hat before I put it on. Most games are sit-down but to play Farpoint I have to move my sofa. After playing my hair is messed up, I'd basically have to take a shower to fix it if I want to leave the house afterward.

>>718932871
Ah yes I meant Arcade Paradise

I honestly don't know what the "original arcade games" are but this is the list:

https://arcadeparadise.fandom.com/wiki/Arcade_Games

>>718932904
>It's just a lot of added steps compared to playing flat screen games
Genuinely isn't but let's see what is going on in your case

>You gotta plug the headset in, and it fits better with a baseball cap so I go get a hat before I put it on
Or maybe you could just adjust the strap to fit your head? Might be a PSVR problem if you can't adjust it

>Most games are sit-down
What? The only sit-down game I have ever played in VR is Poker and some racing games. You can play anything standing (it's more immersive) but you can also play most games sitting if you want.

>After playing my hair is messed up, I'd basically have to take a shower to fix it
Are you black?

>>718932697
The advances are mostly in software, there's not really any new hardware in there.
>>718932814
>Beat Saber for the Wii would require buying sensor stations and placing them around your area, just imagine how retarded that would be
It'd certainly be cheaper than buying a VR headset. The sensors would probably run the company making them no more than 10 bucks.

>>718924980 (OP)
I'm poor

>>718932697
>They're vr games
they're games ported to vr.

>>718933376
Playing something in VR is a completely different experience than playing flat

Aces of Thunder can't come soon enough

>>718924980 (OP)
I have a Samsung odyssey, my understanding is WMR is getting sunsetted so I guess it'll just be junk soon. I only use it for porn now anyways. I had my fun with blade and sorcery and h3vr but I'm over it now

VR is the true successor of the Wii

As a kid I loved playing table tennis on Wii Sports Resort. The moment I booted up Eleven Table Tennis in VR that Wii magic hit me.

If you are the type of person that only cares about being the latest AAA release VR is not for you, it's not even the same hobby really

>>718924980 (OP)
I own two. One for playing GT7 with my racing wheel and one for watching porn.

>>718933753
>>718933819
How do you get porn for VR? Videos are all paid only and honestly not very fun. The games I tried are garbage.

>>718933582
Vr games that are little more than "an interactive experiance" are the worst Designed crap and almost every one of them has zero replay value.

>>718933160
>The advances are mostly in software, there's not really any new hardware in there.
I think you're underestimating how much hardware moved forward in terms of gyroscopes and the various other areas.
>>718933376
They're not ported to anything, they're still running on PC, they just have VR functionality added or modded in.
It's like saying that there are no HDR games, because they're all just HDR ports, so there's no reason to get an HDR monitor.

>>718934356
Not sure what you are talking about but look at Resident Evil 4. It's a completely different beast in VR.

these threads are always just poorfags that never tried VR whining

>>718934505
Idk I'm just mad that vr never went anywhere I suppose.

>>718924980 (OP)
>only ever use my vr headset for virt a mate
>it's not even that good

>>718934414
Ok ported want the right word sure. They are games with vr added. They weren't vr games. They weren't Designed to be vr games. They had it added later. Calling skyrim a vr game just feels disengenuous.

>>718924980 (OP)
Are they good for non-vr stuff? I want to stare at two screens attached to my eyes instead of a monitor or a tv

>>718935248
You just have unrealistic expectations. VR is never replacing mainstream gaming they are completely different hobbies.

>>718924980 (OP)
I'm not melting my GPU for VR JAVs.

>>718935390
There are many apps that let you control your PC in many ways, from floating screens like pic related to a huge movie theater. I like playing some games in the movie theater it weirdly feels like the real thing.

>>718933920
>Videos are all paid only and honestly not very fun.
Bittorrent and Patreon archives exist.
>The games I tried are garbage.
You can't expect much from 'finished' products. Serious VR porn stuff is all hobbyist platforms that you effectively mod together yourself.

>>718935557
Oh, that's cool. Thanks anon

>>718924980 (OP)
I own three different headsets and two sets of trackers and there really isn't much of a point right now. The biggest issue with VR is half of the games are ports, and the others are fine but they're just bland or uninspired. The fact of the matter is VR is and always will be niche unless we have full dive VR which is likely never going to happen so that means almost all games are practically going to be half baked messes either not designed for VR, or designed for VR but by devs attempting and failing to fix the core issues of VR. Also given you already need a powerful computer rig to use VR and the desire of most gamers to have better and better graphics I just don't see most people forking over the cash for a higher quality VR headset AND $4000+ PC for a game that looks almost identical to PEAK but runs at 20 FPS on a good day with sporadic bursts of 60 FPS.

To recap:
>Too expensive for the externals (even basic ones)
>Too expensive for performant hardware
>Games are either ports not designed around VR or poorly optimized VR games
>Games of the latter category are often compromised in some way or glorified tech demos

>>718935748
Again a problem of expectations. I've been saying this itt but you need to view VR as a different hobby unaffiliated with mainstream gaming. Sometimes I want to play the newest AAAslop with top tier graphics, other times I want to move my body, play table tennis, swordfight, race and so on. They are not replacements for each other.

>>718935748
The only games that VR is unquestionably "worth it" for alone are sims IMO. They're usually well optimized for VR and when a headset is replacing three specially arranged monitors and potentially some extra tracking gear it's actually the easier option. Plus a seated position and Wheel/Hotas fix a lot of VR issues generally.

>>718935910
Agreed. VR is supplemental at the moment.

>>718935910
Yeah, I get that. I was really responding only after reading the first ~10 posts but this seemingly always comes up that some weird die hards will say it's comparable to normal gaming when it's almost a parallel hobby with insane investment costs up front and devs that don't always actually understand how to make use of it which is going to take a long time I reckon to fix.
>>718936106
Honestly this. I've had a better experience using VR in stuff like Assetto Corsa and IL-2 than any true VR game because it gives me proper situational awareness and doesn't rape my GPU trying to do basic tasks because most devs are hacks.